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Nobody was actively discussing Zenge until I brought him up in a post where I took Zenge and Visc out of my initial village reads.
I was also responding to several others at the same time and people wanted to drop the conversation to avoid getting sidetracked from wolfhunting over mechanics reasons. My focus on you now is not about the mechanics (which is why i was surprised when you brought that topic up) but actually on the D1 and D2 voting patterns and behavior. I caught zenges using this approach and i believe wolves who are commonly village read are hiding in there.
Yes. He been attacked by all the wolves for ridiculous reasons (add Mel to the pile whenever he flips), focused on Vis long before the D3 wagon occured, and pushed Zenge at a time when most were focused on Mel/meats.
Thanks, I saw that post but thought you were only talking about Pshelty since they asked, not me
This is a blatant lie. Try again.
Prove it. You can't.
Can you explain the wolf benefit of correcting myself so fast it was even before fluff, herself, could?
I gave you minor cred after Zenge flipped, but your ongoing exaggeration of events before and after the shot is making me wonder if that was just another performance.
"Maybe it was a real rojo."
Oh look. A vote for me after she ignored my entire iso on Vis/Mel. Reasonable.
Fine if you want to put Sporty on top, but there is zero reason for April to be that low. Especially under alley. She's the one who kept fueling the Vis wagon whole alley and Mel hung out on Kal until the last few minutes.
True... I'm so confused by where kal stands. She won't vote for mel and jokes that she's been pocketed but so did VMH. But Mel easily chose to vote her over Vis.
I missed pretty much everything that day. I was the first person to vote Vis and then I had a lot going on and was absent even for vote close. I'll go back and read that part though
Okay, Mel is starting to stop 100% village reading Vis for the first time. Zenge read was on point, also. It would be odd for a wolf to implicate two wolves in the same post. AM suspicions remain.
Big long post on why meats is (correctly) village. It would be weird for a wolf to do that when lots of people are sus of meats.
This would be some pretty big bussing of Vis.
Mainly because YK wasn't super around/not providing a lot of reasoning.
I do like this villager paranoia about PSV.
This has already been brought up, but this seems like a really weird thing for a wolf to say about another wolf.
Still uncertain on Vis, but again this would be some weird bussing of Zenge when there's not a lot of discussion on them.
Might be relevant later depending on flips.
Valid reasoning, still uncertain of Vis.
The only way this would make sense for a wolf to do is if YK is also a wolf, but I just can't see a wolf bussing TWO wolves in the same day.
puppy is def village-leaning for me from this, as it was one of the first Vis votes of the day (unless it's some weird hardcore bussing).
I don’t get this. Vissy’s claims were verified on thread and i don’t think anyone counterclaimed them and she’s a wolf.
My paranoia says what if you're both village and we wind up misyeeting two villagers?
I very highly doubt they’re both village.
another strawman argument. My villager status is not contingent on there being counter claims to my ability.
what utility is there in me not using it today? I bought myself an extra day to help generate more data and figure out the pack. I'm presenting you the data I've found today.
You wrote a paragraph detailing on doubting yeet protection and i was responding to that
No you equated no counter claims to visc being a wolf. Thats a fallacy.
If you are a wolf that has a yeet protection ability, it is possible that you told us you used it for today but really are saving it for yourself for tomorrow. Or you used it on another wolf today who hasn't come forward
Think that through. If I'm a wolf, I've bought myself at max 1 extra cycle. People will continue to suspect me and push me. If I'm a wolf I'm going to be yeeted at some point and the one extra cycle isn't going to matter.
^^ This is my concern with how many times Mel has said we should not yeet him today but should yeet him tomorrow if he's wrong about AM.
This is how you presented it in the initial part of your post
There’s no reason to follow up on the details of the yeet protection right after the argument of yeeting you being antivillage if there’s no apparent connection between the two. The way they were juxtaposed like that suggested you’re using the yeet protection argument to bolster your village case that was then followed up by your arguments why you think AM is wolfy
I mean, it kind of will if it means the wolves get to kill another villager tonight and get that much closer to parity. If we assume there's 3 more wolves, that would get them one step closer to parity.
how about this, once my protection runs out today, I'll give you the vote protection tomorrow and go down quietly while you all vote me into oblivion?
The reason I talked about the vote protection is because there are still people doubting if I have one. I put them in the same post because I'm attempting to be conservative with my number of posts because every time I have to defend myself in WW, my like : post goes down lol
The problem is Mels could be lying and didn’t actually protect himself today. Risking a failed yeet on Mels tomorrow is too significant.
This still bothers me
Why?
we have no idea what the wild card meant right?
Yes exactly
Okay. I am wholeheartedly admitting that I haven’t evaluated you fully yet. You’re not my top priority right now, I think there’s wolfier people than you. I just do not like the sudden push you have here against me when I cannot be a wolf for many of the same reasons you cannot be a wolf.
It’s not a sudden push. I’m seriously looking into and considering the voting dynamics and behavior over the fluffy wagon, and the zenges stuff is secondary to this.
My concern is whether wolves have the voting abilities to rig the scores and hurt village. Look at zenges’ role description.
I will give the vote protection to anyone that the thread agrees on. That way you know for sure I don't have the vote protection tomorrow.
lets assume there's no 3p's and 2 wolves left.
Abilities.are.not.indicative.of.affiliation.
Omg that's so true! Also AM got 'intimidated" by Zenge to not vote. I get that he used it on himself on D3, but D2, no one was suspecting him, including AM!
AM will absolutely not bus, which has outed her before. Visc was getting heat. It was a nice way to shoot two birds with one stone: give AM village cred, and also give her an excuse to continue not bussing if Visc ended up flipping.
