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Any pre-med boxers here? Concerned about injuries? 🙂 Just want to see what's going on out there with this topic. I've sparred a few times... just starting to get into training seriously and going to probably start sparring again in a few months... definitely scared about neurological damage, but alot of the studies I've read state that amateur boxing doesn't seem to be too dangerous. Definitely something I am becoming passionate about.

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Ive been boxing for a couple of years, and been sparring for a while too. Good head gear obviously will minimize shock to the brain when fighting, (so will keeping your hands up). Due to the nature of the sport you are bound to lose a few brain cells, but the good news is you have many many in reserve. Also odds are you aren't fighting against Mike Tyson type sluggers so not too many people will be able to hurt you. Do however expect to occasionally explain to coworkers and/or classmates why you got a black eye the day after sparring.
 
I am into boxing but not overly serious. Just with friends, and practicing on my heavy bag a bit.
 
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I do Muay Thai but we spar american kick boxing stlye (no knees and elbows). Also we never really go 100% power so people rarely get ko'd.
 
Thanks for the responses. I guess this is a pretty small group of people 😛
 
I used to box, but stopped almost fully because of fear of injury. I don't think repeated head trauma can be good for my studies 😳 Am I puss? I dunno.

I do BJJ now, and the grappling allows me to let out some aggression for sport without having to worry TOO often about getting clocked in the face. Now I just have to determine if twisted extremities are going to hinder possible surgery aspirations later in life. Guess everything is risk, huh? 🙂
 
i do tang soo do (sbd) and bjj...

TSD we allow kicks anywhere, punches anywhere, clinch, takedowns, grappling, all continuous (none of that point sparring bullsh1t)

BJJ is full grappling.

I have herniated discs in my neck and im fine going about 4 practices a week. Like Lanced said, 100% power is not usually done, because its stupid, everyone will be out for injuries. Go 100% at your competitions (if you are going to compete). If you're just training for fun, avoid the a$$holes in your gym who don't check their pride at the door.
 
I used to box, but stopped almost fully because of fear of injury. I don't think repeated head trauma can be good for my studies 😳 Am I puss? I dunno.

I have the same concerns. However, after looking at a few good studies... and a few bad ones... there doesn't seem to be too much risk with amateur boxing.
 
One of the best G.I docs I know boxes all the time...so it can't be that bad. I've had more injuries from powerlifting, football, rugby, stuff like that than I ever have with a friendly spar with friends....and even an unfriendly one with enemies. Hell, I think the lighter impact the sport is for me the more i get injured. I had to pop my shoulder in playing frickin touch football the other day.......still kinda tender.
 
I like to watch 😛
 
i used to practice tae kwon do and hap ki do..
now i mainly lift weights.
 
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been boxing for 25 years and it has been nothing but a positive in my life. best way to release stress, all pre-meds should box.

as far as safety make sure you take three days off for every round you spar. during those three days you can hit the bags, etc. but dont spar. most head injuries occur when a boxer has a previously unhealed injury to the head. same thing with facial damage, let nose and eye injuries heal before you step in the ring again.

try to fight people with similar experience and of similar weight and height, i know its not always possible but if you can do so.

yes head gear is important but a good mouthpiece is just as important. it will help prevent head injuries.

good luck! and please do us all a favor and keep your hands up :laugh: .
 
Thanks! I do love boxing 😀 Well... not allll the time...😎
 
Yep, I train too. I used to train for real when I was younger, but after getting ko'd for like the 4th time, I decided that I should just do it for exercise 😉 I too, was concerned about neurological damage. BJJ is much easier on the brain.
 
Yep, I train too. I used to train for real when I was younger, but after getting ko'd for like the 4th time, I decided that I should just do it for exercise 😉 I too, was concerned about neurological damage. BJJ is much easier on the brain.

Not if you keep on getting choked out.
 
I was sparring for a while, getting in great shape, and loving it. Then I decided I should probably do some research, and decided since the evidence is so inconclusive, I'm going to err on the side of caution and common sense. It didn't help that all the older amateur boxers I knew weren't too sharp, either. Interestingly enough, many studies allude to the fact that headgear may cause more head trauma by acting as a larger target and putting added weight on the head.👎

If anyone can point to scientific studies that show amateur boxing is safe, please send my way, as boxing is hands down my favorite sport to stay in shape and all of this information against it really bums me out.

FYI, Studies show that the onset of pugilista dementia is delayed an average of 8-16 years. I was surprised to learn that it shows up years later.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/09/060915204035.htm
http://ajs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/21/1/97
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/17/1676_50322.htm
(This is a good one about if headgear is good or bad)
http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/1451/boxing-margaret-goodman-makes-house-call/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugilistic_Parkinson's_syndrome
 
Yep, I train too. I used to train for real when I was younger, but after getting ko'd for like the 4th time, I decided that I should just do it for exercise 😉 I too, was concerned about neurological damage. BJJ is much easier on the brain.

I dig your screen name. He's a bad, bad man...

I've been on a competitive BJJ team for a few years now. I'm under Relson Gracie. I've done a few years of Muay Thai as well, and I've boxed for a couple of years too...

Nothing, I repeat, nothing compares to joining a competitive BJJ team full of adults...

Having said all of that, I've had to have shoulder surgery, and my right knee is done, and I've damaged my shins more times than I can count...

My nose is done as well...

But I know that if somebody ever wants to attack me or my girlfriend, I'll more than likely seriously make them pay for their attempt when I break something on them...

I've never had any mental issues or anything from sparring either, but like I was saying, make sure you're training with adults...

Adults as in people who have jobs/families/kids/goals other than beating Chuck Liddell for the UFC LHW strap/etc...
 
Decide now what you want to get out of boxing.

If it's for recreation and conditioning, be carefull who you spar with and you'll probably be fine.

If you decide to compete, that is completely different, amatuer or not. All the pros started as amatuers. At some point you'll meet someone who introduces you to a world of hurt that you never knew existed.

I've grappled for a long time and have some ugly, ugly ears because of it. I can only wonder how the adcoms will interpret it.
 
If anyone can point to scientific studies that show amateur boxing is safe, please send my way, as boxing is hands down my favorite sport to stay in shape and all of this information against it really bums me out.

Let me dig up the study I found for ya bro... just gimme a few minutes.

Dammit... can't get the full text of the article... here's the abstract:

Clin J Sport Med. 2003 Nov;13(6):339-52.
* Porter MD.

The Sports Medicine Centre, O'Connor, ACT, Australia. [email protected]

OBJECTIVE: To test the hypothesis that there is an association between amateur boxing and chronic traumatic encephalopathy using neuropsychologic assessments. DESIGN: A prospective, controlled, blinded, observational, neuropsychologic study. SETTING: Amateur boxing clubs in Dublin, Ireland, March 1992 to April 2001. PARTICIPANTS: Twenty randomly selected, actively competing, male amateur boxers and 20 age-matched, socio-economic controls. INTERVENTIONS: The boxers participated in amateur competition and sparring. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Raw scores and changes in scores over time were recorded in the following neuropsychologic tests: Trail Making Tests A and B, Digit Symbol, Finger Tapping (dominant and nondominant hands), modified versions of the Finger Tapping Tests, Paired-Associate Learning, Digit Span, Rey-Osterrieth Complex Figure Tests A and B, and Serial Addition. Raw scores and changes in scores for the two groups were compared, and a regression analysis was performed to detect any association between these values and exposure to boxing. RESULTS: The boxers showed superior performance in the Trail Making Tests A and B at all time points and an inferior performance in both standard Finger Tapping Tests at all time points except baseline for the dominant hand. This inferior performance was not found in the modified versions of the tests. The controls showed significant deterioration in their performance in the Rey-Osterrieth Complex Figure Tests A and B. CONCLUSIONS: In this small controlled, prospective study of competitive amateur boxers, there was no evidence of neuropsychologic deterioration over 9 years. The amateur boxers demonstrated relative preservation and/or improvement of some neuropsychologic skills relative to the socioeconomic controls.


This is just one study... but it takes into account socio-economic status... which I think is an important point.
 
 
 
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Let me dig up the study I found for ya bro... just gimme a few minutes.

Thanks for finding the study. The studies are just so varied its hard to make an informed decision. I would like to spar 3x/week, but may just settle for once/twice a month.

For all the guys out there doing BJJ, how transferable is that type of fighting to the real world? It just seems like if some guy is trying to choke you out, your best defense would be to take a bite out of his forearm. Or, when they try those arm bars, it seems like you could take a bite out of their hamstring that would make them let go. I haven't ever tried it, so I'm probably completely off base here, but thats the first thing that comes to my mind to do when I watch these poor guys getting choked out on UFC.
 
For all the guys out there doing BJJ, how transferable is that type of fighting to the real world? It just seems like if some guy is trying to choke you out, your best defense would be to take a bite out of his forearm. Or, when they try those arm bars, it seems like you could take a bite out of their hamstring that would make them let go. I haven't ever tried it, so I'm probably completely off base here, but thats the first thing that comes to my mind to do when I watch these poor guys getting choked out on UFC.

By the time you bite that guy if he's got you in arm bar, your arm is broken and is now destroyed. Not to sound crazy, but go ahead and I'll let you bite me if I've got your back or an arm extended. I can get a tet shot, but the biter is getting a cast. Again, I'm not trying to sound like a douche bag, so please don't think I'm trying to talk tough or anything.

As for the UFC, it is so technical at that level that something like a bite wouldn't matter. Then again, biting is illegal in the octagon and every other fight sport out there these days, so that's irrelevant anyways...

I've seen two blown out legs in competition now, and they aren't pretty at all. The first one came from a heel hook that was set up, then executed in a matter of maybe 4 seconds. That move isolates the knee, then turns the foot around with no movement in the knee. So, imagine your foot being turned around backward with no movement of the leg to relieve any of the pressure. Obviously, we're talking terrible damage to MCL, LCL, PCL, etc.. The whole knee was destroyed, and that guy was out for over a year from what I hear. It sounded terrible as well...

In my opinion, knowing how to grapple is supreme in a fight. There's always a puncher's chance for anyone to get knocked out, even extremely good boxers. All it takes is one haymaker and you're done, or you're cut badly and you'll need medical attention...

So, a trained striker CAN get KTFO by a random drunk at a bar if he tries to stand with him. A good grappler stands the risk of getting tagged, but his opponent is going down in a moment. From there, it's only a matter of time, and not much time at that...

A grappler isn't going to give that drunk the chance of hitting him if he's trying to work his BJJ. A boxer is trying to work hands on him b/c that's what he does right? Well, by doing that, he runs the risk of getting hit as well...

But if you're a BJJ guy and you're changing levels on his ass....you're less likely to get hit, more likely to put that guy in a position where you can either control him until police/bouncers/whoever arrives, or do some serious damage to him like breaking an arm, blowing out knees via heel hooks, etc. The name of the game in grappling is getting close to your opponent, shooting in for a takedown, clinching into a throw, and things like that, but it's not staying in striking distance where you run the risk of getting punched...no matter who you are. Crazy people do crazy things, and sometimes it might even take 10 punches before the guy goes down, if he goes down at all...

Meanwhile, your hands might be broken, you might have punched him in the teeth and gotten cut up, you could have hit him in the top of the head and smashed your fingers (been there), **** like that.

A drugged out dude can take an enormous amount of punishment, and can withstand punches in bunches. You break his arm, he physically can't do much to you. It's simply a mechanical deficiency. That limb is now out of the picture completely. You choke him out, **** man...You can do whatever you want to do to him now.

I think that if you took just one BJJ class you'd learn more than you'd expect to learn, and you'd probably stick with it as your primary means of self defense. The things you learn are so common and simple that you'd be amazed at it. You'd also see just how much damage you can inflict on someone, and do so without running the risk of getting hurt yourself...

Competition is a whole new ball game, but you get the idea...

Best case scenario? Do BJJ, pick up Muay Thai, take some boxing, learn some judo, and wrestle...

Sorry for the long reply. I'm sure there is plenty of spelling/grammar errors...
 
Of course if you are my friend....the glock stops all. I've seen guys that were damn good at judo, even state wrestling champs just get their asses whooped in a street fight....I even saw a guy get put in whatever lock (I have no clue about the names sorry) and he just took out a knife and stapped him in the frickin leg..i'm sorry but that stab in the leg is going to put you out for at least a few seconds as you think to yourself "Did that dingus just stab me in the leg?". The majority of situations where you get into full out fights in the street involve alchohol anyway...and if you just happen to be the sober schmuck and you have any pain tolerance whatsoever the other guy is going to lose.......I have known lots of fighters in my life and while they are great in nice controlled situations most real world situations involve a GROUP of drunken douches trying to pick a fight with you....in my case because I am larger than most guys and for whatever reason they like that....makes them feel tough I guess. bottom line..just do the fight stuff for fun..while it might HELP in a bar fight to know how to do stuff ...I really wouldn't bank on it...real world there are much worse things than a blown knee...like a gunshot to the head from a sore loser.
 
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