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Does anyone know what the salary is at BMC and are there moonlighting opportunities? Thanks.
BU salary?
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I mean lets face it, 24 hours before ROL deadline that's what it comes down to 😀
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http://www.bmc.org/gme/housestaff.htm
BMC has one of the highest resident salary if not the highest in Boston.
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I have tremendous respect for people wanting to moonlight after 80hrs/week at BMC!! I didn't even think to inquire about it.
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So right now BU is 5th on my list, over Tufts, Brown, Rochester, Jefferson, and UPitt. Am I crazy? I loved my interview day there, liked the residents, and think the mission of BMC is cool.
I also talked in depth to the chief there who matched at MGH for cards. He absolutely loved the place.
But I'm starting to get scared by all the scut reports and everyone talking about how malignant the program is.
Are people really that miserable at BU?
I also talked in depth to the chief there who matched at MGH for cards. He absolutely loved the place.
But I'm starting to get scared by all the scut reports and everyone talking about how malignant the program is.
Are people really that miserable at BU?
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I mentioned this somewhere else but it sounds like you want to hear something like this.
I met a number of BU med students applying to IM, while visiting other programs, who told me straight out they were not even going to rank BU. Yes, they interviewed there, but only as a formality they told me. Never heard this about any other programs.
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BU is not the only school where med students say that though. BU students are pretty well perceived and tend to match to better IM programs.. So why would students want to go to BU when they are interviewing at several superior programs where they aren't going to worked as hard. Yale for example I think didn't have a single one of their graduates last year match to Yale for IM. Not necessarily because Yale is that bad, but because they simply matched better. (For the record, I think 4-5 BU students did stay at BMC for residency.)
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Yeah. Good point. Still such a tough call.
May switch BU with Tufts.
Might be a gametime decision.
May switch BU with Tufts.
Might be a gametime decision.
I've also heard this.... I know quite a few BU students applying to IM, and a lot of them plan either to rank it low or not at all. Take it for what it's worth.
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I'm having the same problem. Loved BU, its mission, and its patients. Currently ranking it #4, over Northwestern, U Chicago, and Hopkins Bayview. Definitely not feeling settled about it though!
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Wait...are you ranking BU above those other programs (like BU is 4 and they're 5, 6 and 7)? If so, you are insane. If you really meant "after" rather than "over" in the above statement, carry on.
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Yup, that's what I meant (they're # 5, 6, 7, in the order I listed them in). I love working with immigrant and refugee patients, and I like the idea of being at a place that really embraces those patients. But I am a little afraid it would be career sabotage to go to BU over those other places. I'm debating between primary care and a pulm/CC fellowship. Really, insane? Hmm. Good to hear - thanks for the input.
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Insane that you would want to work that hard. But not career suicide, their match list is as strong as those others...And ignore JH-Bayview's seemingly stunning match list. It is a number illusion. Yes JHU might reserve a cards and GI fellowship spot for a bayview resident each year, but that spot most likely goes to JHU med school graduate. (3-5 JHU students go there each yr.) The overall number of cards and GI matches from Bayview is quite low, even accounting for the fact they only have 15 resident/yr.
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Hmm, good to know! Yup, I just wasn't feeling it at Bayview for some reason.
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What I fail to understand is, BU has not changed from what it was a couple years back (patient mix, mission) and yet somehow makes it in the limelight this year. In fact, the only major change I remember hearing about was that the residents (up until the current chief yr) used to have a research curriculum which was tossed out due to budget cuts.
11.5 hours till the deadline. Good luck everyone
Stay green and certified.
11.5 hours till the deadline. Good luck everyone
Stay green and certified.
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I have been a long time visitor, but became a member today just to respond to this last post. I'm currently a 4th year med student at BU. I can't speak for my whole class, but I will be ranking BU quite highly.
BU has changed substantially in the last few years, partly due to the new residency director Dr. Halle. Every resident I have had in internal medicine has been uber smart, to the point where I would be so happy if I could achieve the same success 3 years from now. BU produces such outstanding internists because of the amazing attendings who prod the residents to manage patients and lead rounds while providing teaching via attending rounds (min 3x week) and bed side teaching. Of course, the patients are incredible to learn from, and all have their own unique story. Due to the lack of follow-up care, you see diseases that unfortunately progress to advanced stages.
Yes, you are working hard as an intern, but the program is incredibly responsive to its house officers. As a student, I have seen major changes over the last two years to correct the duty hour limit. BU is taking that seriously. You will work hard (<80 hrs/wk), perform some scut work, but more importantly learn a lot!
This is why their fellowship match list is so great. Fellowship directors realize the talent of BU residents. There is only 5 hours left, so my purpose was not to change any decision in your ROL. However, I had to respond as I am sick of seeing BU receive such a terrible rap on SDN.
BU has changed substantially in the last few years, partly due to the new residency director Dr. Halle. Every resident I have had in internal medicine has been uber smart, to the point where I would be so happy if I could achieve the same success 3 years from now. BU produces such outstanding internists because of the amazing attendings who prod the residents to manage patients and lead rounds while providing teaching via attending rounds (min 3x week) and bed side teaching. Of course, the patients are incredible to learn from, and all have their own unique story. Due to the lack of follow-up care, you see diseases that unfortunately progress to advanced stages.
Yes, you are working hard as an intern, but the program is incredibly responsive to its house officers. As a student, I have seen major changes over the last two years to correct the duty hour limit. BU is taking that seriously. You will work hard (<80 hrs/wk), perform some scut work, but more importantly learn a lot!
This is why their fellowship match list is so great. Fellowship directors realize the talent of BU residents. There is only 5 hours left, so my purpose was not to change any decision in your ROL. However, I had to respond as I am sick of seeing BU receive such a terrible rap on SDN.
Hi Bosmedstud,
I was very conflicted my interview @ BU cus I have heard multiple stories from other BU med students on the interview trail stating that residents work 100hrs/week, and that it is the RULE not the exception. Also, on my interview day, the PGY-3 didn't seem to know what was going on with the new schedule, but he seemd to imply that sign out was whenever you were done ( I actually repeated the question to him, and he was serious about you leaving the hospital whenever you were done with work?!?!). The residents seemed really overworked, but like you said the program director seemed very involved with his residents. I am still torn about the program, but the directives that they have @ BU are amazing,the fellowship matches are good, and the opportunities to really get hands on experience seems great! I am just concerned about the work conditions @ BU.
IMDoc2010
I was very conflicted my interview @ BU cus I have heard multiple stories from other BU med students on the interview trail stating that residents work 100hrs/week, and that it is the RULE not the exception. Also, on my interview day, the PGY-3 didn't seem to know what was going on with the new schedule, but he seemd to imply that sign out was whenever you were done ( I actually repeated the question to him, and he was serious about you leaving the hospital whenever you were done with work?!?!). The residents seemed really overworked, but like you said the program director seemed very involved with his residents. I am still torn about the program, but the directives that they have @ BU are amazing,the fellowship matches are good, and the opportunities to really get hands on experience seems great! I am just concerned about the work conditions @ BU.
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Besides working with a challenging population anyone know WHY BU residents work so hard? Their night float system sounds reasonable, call is Q8 on the wards, (and Q4 on ICUs?).
Perhaps there is no non-teaching hospitalist service?
On another note, any thoughts on why they have IMGs? To foster diversity, or are they not filling with US grads?
Perhaps there is no non-teaching hospitalist service?
On another note, any thoughts on why they have IMGs? To foster diversity, or are they not filling with US grads?
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UTSW, Baylor, UAB, CCF, Yale, some years Cornell...all have their share of IMGs...They just take IMGs with 250+ on the boards and good clinical experience over US grads with mediocre grades and 225 step scores. Plus some programs with heavy work loads know that IMGs are more used to that kind of work load than US graduates of a lot of the more laid back med schools. (I.e. where the only clinical responsibility is to take an H+P, present it to a resident, and write a couple of progress notes a day.)
Yes, you're crazy, jk, not you're not it is a tough issue. What matters most is not so much the reputation for fellowships, but what you have done.
It is hard to apply in cards saying "Hey I went to BU and worked real hard, but helped in one small research project, give me a fellowship" vs even having time to do research as an intern (yes it is possible), knowing the PD and chair of medicine, and even possibly present at an ACC or AHA conference and have at least 2 pubs before applying to fellowship. So my advice (although too late I know) would be to find where you can see yourself getting to know the faculty well and have the best research opportunities. Plus, less time in the "trenches" means more time to work on your fellowship app.
