Buying a House in Residency

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Could someone who bought a house at the start of residency please weigh in concerning your experience? I am pretty well versed with the physician loan thing, but for those who bought, what price of house would you say would work on the average low 50K salary? Has anyone found a good resource on this?

What advice would you give me in general (maybe you had some obstacles that you didn't expect)?

Thanks in advance...

PS Assume a residency 5+ years.

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I live in a low cost of living area, doing a three year residency, and bought a house for $133K. Rent for something similar was like $1,000/month. There are various calculators online that help you compare costs with different interest rates. I did zero down and 3.something interest rate. If I sell my house for the same price or slightly less I will save money or break even compared to renting. That is taking into account repairs, taxes, etc. And I have a yard, can paint, no landlord hassles, etc.

My biggest concern is the hassle of trying to sell a house in a short time frame when I graduate and trying to pay another far away from where I am now.
 
This post ended up being a bit long, but hopefully it'll be helpful.

I bought a home for a three year residency. I thought the odds were that I'd stay for a fellowship and possibly as an attending. The cost of living is low here and I bought a house in a nice and safe neighborhood a 15 minute walk from one hospital I'm at about 60% of the time and a 10 minute drive from the other hospital I work at. The home cost around $110k, and at 3.25% or so, mortgage/taxes/insurance total $775, compared to the $1100/month it would've cost to rent a similar home. At the time we moved, we couldn't find any rentals under $1300 (they were all bigger homes than the small one we purchased), and none were close to the hospitals.

I figured it made more sense to by--the NYTimes rent vs buy was in favor of buying (even if we only stayed 3 years), it was a great neighborhood and my wife felt safe there, one of my favorite hobbies is landscaping/working on a home, and as a PM&R resident I actually have time to do those things.

I also figured that if I got an attending job right away (rather than being a fellow) and had to move, that we could absorb any loss on the home fairly easy--you can only lose so much on such a cheap home. What I didn't take into account was doing a fellowship somewhere else and not having the income to offset that. We also did have to do some major work--renovated the bathroom (I did about 1/3 the work, so it was fairly cheap by bathroom remodel standards), completely redid the landscaping (that was just fun--we did all the work and only paid for the plants, wood, but they did add up), and we replaced the heater and AC last summer (not fun). We met with a realtor and she recommended listing a fair amount higher than what we purchased the home for, and if we sell it at/near that amount, we'd recoup most of what we put into the home, not taking into account closing costs. But that also doesn't take into account how much we saved on a monthly basis. We'll see-we've had a lot of interest in the home, but no offers yet (we just listed this week), so it could still be on the market for some time for all I know.

If I can't sell it I have a co-resident who'd be willing to rent it, but I'd rather not be a landlord. At best we'd only make about $350-400/month if we rent it out, not taking into account taxes on the profit, maintenance costs, depreciation from a renter not taking as good of care of the home/property (an the landscaping is a big selling point for our home), other crap that can go wrong (at least the Heater/AC are warrantied though). Still--all that work and stress for at best $4800/year? That's without a property manager too--it's not like I can fly across the country just to fix a sink. For that profit, it's just not worth it, and it certainly wouldn't be worth it as an attending--maybe if I was staying local it would be, but even then--who wants the headache of finding renters/home maintenance/etc., all for only $5k at best, when you're making around $200k? Unless that seems worth it to you, or you're in an area where you're home will really go up in value, I would not consider being able to rent out the home to other residents/medical students after you graduate as a benefit to buying. In my mind, renting is a backup if you can't sell, or a way to make profit on the home going up in value if you bought in say, SF.

We did decide to list early as I don't want to sell from across the country (or pay rent at our new place + our mortgage, and for a landscaping maintenance team), and would rather move into a subleted unit for a few months. The odds of a prospective buyer willing to wait until the end of June to close or willing to rent back to us are slim, though certainly a possibility.

We'll have to see how I feel when we close, but I am personally really glad we bought the home, though I would NOT recommend it for most residents. For starters, I actually had time to work on the home--most residents will not. Who's going to handle the simple things that go wrong? Shoveling snow? Lawn care? What about fixing a leaky faucet, or if the heater goes out? If you own the home, are you going to be ok with the contractor coming in while you're not there? If I didn't have more time than the average resident, I don't think I'd want to be using up what little free time I had to work on a home, as much as I enjoy it. I'd want that time for family, studying, and sleep.

For anyone that is interested in buying, I would recommend going into home buying with the assumption that you will at best break even. You just don't know what will go wrong with the home--things like roofing, sewers, plumbing, HVAC, etc., get very expensive. And like I said, most residents may not want to deal with the time and stress of the repairs (or scheduling them).

For my wife and I, renting an apartment wasn't an option. We'd lived in duplexes and apartments for something like 8-10 years prior. Some were good, but the latter 4 years while in medical school we had miserable adjacent neighbors--kids running around, mom screaming, dog barking. All right upstairs. The next place we moved was a young couple who always had the loudest screaming matches. We're more sensitive to noise and we realized paying an extra $300-400/month would've been worth the peace of mind, ability to sleep, study, etc. We got lucky that we were able to then move into a coach house--no immediate neighbors! Unfortunately, they don't have those where I live now. That's why we only looked at renting homes, as we could've gotten an apartment pretty cheap.

Of course, one thing to consider is when you buy, you're stuck there. If you don't like your neighbors you can't exactly get up and move. But at least they don't live right on top of/below/to the side of you. You've got some space.

All-in-all, I'm glad we bought the house. Who knows if we break even, come out ahead (we might, when factoring in rent saved vs comparable place) or behind. It was a great starter home--we learned a ton about what we should've thought about when buying, what things to have inspected more closely (and how to make sure we have a good inspector--use a referral if available!), fixing up a home, landscaping, etc. etc. You think you learn a lot from the research you do prior to buying a home, but it's nothing compared to actually learning from living in one. Unfortunately a lot of that learning is done the hard way. So when we're ready to buy our next home (we'll likely rent the first 6 months of attendinghood so we can get to know the area, make sure I like the job, etc.), we'll be in a much stronger place on picking a home, knowing what fixer-upper stuff I can tackle on my own, what repairs are actually affordable, etc. Considering my next home will likely be our permanent home, and will likely cost $500k or whole a lot more (we're from CA, and would like to move back west, though I can't afford SF...), it'll be helpful to be a stronger/more knowledgeable buyer.

Long story short, I would still recommend against buying for the vast majority of residents. It's been great for us, but unless you have the time or are willing to spend a lot of what little free time you have working on a home, it'll just be a whole new source of stress. If you're a psych/derm/PM&R/path/etc resident with good hours, and the numbers look ok and you can find a good value home, then it may be worth considering.
 
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A few minor points, because I'm sure others will hit the highlights better and in more detail than I...

-a lot can happen in 5 years in the real estate market. i bought near the peak of the bubble at the beginning of internship. the market tanked 3 years later and hadn't recovered 2 years after that when my residency ended and i had to move. are you prepared, both financially and mentally, to keep the home and be landlord? are you willing to sell underwater if/when you have to move? are you willing to let your attachment to the home affect your decision-making with respect to fellowship and/or a job search?

-make sure you are calculating the entire cost of owning, e.g. mortgage + insurance + maintanence. will you have to pay an association fee? will you have to pay PMI? maintanence, of course, is the big unknown, but you have to be prepared to either invest the time to keep up the home or the money to pay someone else to do it. can you meet the repair guy randomly between 12 and 6 on a tuesday when your air conditioning is broken? do you have the funds to replace the water heater when it bursts?
 
Just to give another example:
I bought a home for 200k @2.8% 7/1 ARM in asmall city, recently renovated so no work required. Monthly payment including taxes/insurance of 1250. Equivalent rental would probably have been 1700. I'm in a six year residency, so that equates to 32,400 in savings. Closing costs were 6k. House prices in this city have also been on a slow but steady increase of about 3%/year, meaning I'll likely sell for ~~235-240k. Assuming 235k, Realty fees take that to about 220k. That means that before maintainence, I'll be +46k. So far in 4 years I've replaced a boiler for 4k and landscaping/cleaning has been 2k. I expect another 4-5k in touch ups prior to selling, so that makes about +35k.

The intangibles involved in this are that 1. I run the risk of the house not selling right away. I could rent it, but like the above poster would prefer not to be in the landlord business. 2. There is always risk of market timing, meaning if the time you graduate and need to sell is near the time of a down market, you stand to lose a lot of money. 3. As the landowner you deal with maintainence issues, etc.

For me, buying made sense because I'm in a market with low volatility and affordable entry level homes. I don't mind the maintainence aspect and even enjoy it compared to the misery i've suffered dealing with terrible landlords over the years. Finally I'm likely to make a decent profit on the whole thing, though part of that should be seen as the premium I'm being "paid" to deal with the associated risk. You pay people to assume risk for you all the time, that's the whole idea behind car/life/home insurance. Likewise when you're making a buy/rent decision, know that in buying you are assuming risk which is something you should only do if you are being compensated for it.
 
-make sure you are calculating the entire cost of owning, e.g. mortgage + insurance + maintanence. will you have to pay an association fee? will you have to pay PMI? maintanence, of course, is the big unknown, but you have to be prepared to either invest the time to keep up the home or the money to pay someone else to do it. can you meet the repair guy randomly between 12 and 6 on a tuesday when your air conditioning is broken? do you have the funds to replace the water heater when it bursts?

This is so important, and why I chose not to buy a house. We are renting from a former resident doing his fellowship elsewhere and we have had the garage door, disposal, AC/heat and plumbing give us major issues and the house was built in the 90s. He has had to absorb all of it, plus it was an extremely dry summer so the entire yard is pretty much dead - going to be an expensive re-sod this spring. Plus the housing association here is insane and has been threatening fines for not power washing the driveway, cleaning the fringe around the house, upkeep of mulch beds... make sure you or a significant other can dedicate some time to this, because I haven't been able to.

I simply don't have the time to do general maintenance/upkeep and neither does my wife, we hired a local fire fighter to cut the lawn and whack the hedges weekly and haven't regretted it at all.

All that being said, probably 1/3 of my residency class bought a house and thoroughly enjoys it. Agree with research and thinking about what you are going to do when you need to SELL it because that is starting to be a major issue for some of my friends.
 
This post ended up being a bit long, but hopefully it'll be helpful.

I bought a home for a three year residency. I thought the odds were that I'd stay for a fellowship and possibly as an attending. The cost of living is low here and I bought a house in a nice and safe neighborhood a 15 minute walk from one hospital I'm at about 60% of the time and a 10 minute drive from the other hospital I work at. The home cost around $110k, and at 3.25% or so, mortgage/taxes/insurance total $775, compared to the $1100/month it would've cost to rent a similar home. At the time we moved, we couldn't find any rentals under $1300 (they were all bigger homes than the small one we purchased), and none were close to the hospitals.

I figured it made more sense to by--the NYTimes rent vs buy was in favor of buying (even if we only stayed 3 years), it was a great neighborhood and my wife felt safe there, one of my favorite hobbies is landscaping/working on a home, and as a PM&R resident I actually have time to do those things.

I also figured that if I got an attending job right away (rather than being a fellow) and had to move, that we could absorb any loss on the home fairly easy--you can only lose so much on such a cheap home. What I didn't take into account was doing a fellowship somewhere else and not having the income to offset that. We also did have to do some major work--renovated the bathroom (I did about 1/3 the work, so it was fairly cheap by bathroom remodel standards), completely redid the landscaping (that was just fun--we did all the work and only paid for the plants, wood, but they did add up), and we replaced the heater and AC last summer (not fun). We met with a realtor and she recommended listing a fair amount higher than what we purchased the home for, and if we sell it at/near that amount, we'd recoup most of what we put into the home, not taking into account closing costs. But that also doesn't take into account how much we saved on a monthly basis. We'll see-we've had a lot of interest in the home, but no offers yet (we just listed this week), so it could still be on the market for some time for all I know.

If I can't sell it I have a co-resident who'd be willing to rent it, but I'd rather not be a landlord. At best we'd only make about $350-400/month if we rent it out, not taking into account taxes on the profit, maintenance costs, depreciation from a renter not taking as good of care of the home/property (an the landscaping is a big selling point for our home), other crap that can go wrong (at least the Heater/AC are warrantied though). Still--all that work and stress for at best $4800/year? That's without a property manager too--it's not like I can fly across the country just to fix a sink. For that profit, it's just not worth it, and it certainly wouldn't be worth it as an attending--maybe if I was staying local it would be, but even then--who wants the headache of finding renters/home maintenance/etc., all for only $5k at best, when you're making around $200k? Unless that seems worth it to you, or you're in an area where you're home will really go up in value, I would not consider being able to rent out the home to other residents/medical students after you graduate as a benefit to buying. In my mind, renting is a backup if you can't sell, or a way to make profit on the home going up in value if you bought in say, SF.

We did decide to list early as I don't want to sell from across the country (or pay rent at our new place + our mortgage, and for a landscaping maintenance team), and would rather move into a subleted unit for a few months. The odds of a prospective buyer willing to wait until the end of June to close or willing to rent back to us are slim, though certainly a possibility.

We'll have to see how I feel when we close, but I am personally really glad we bought the home, though I would NOT recommend it for most residents. For starters, I actually had time to work on the home--most residents will not. Who's going to handle the simple things that go wrong? Shoveling snow? Lawn care? What about fixing a leaky faucet, or if the heater goes out? If you own the home, are you going to be ok with the contractor coming in while you're not there? If I didn't have more time than the average resident, I don't think I'd want to be using up what little free time I had to work on a home, as much as I enjoy it. I'd want that time for family, studying, and sleep.

For anyone that is interested in buying, I would recommend going into home buying with the assumption that you will at best break even. You just don't know what will go wrong with the home--things like roofing, sewers, plumbing, HVAC, etc., get very expensive. And like I said, most residents may not want to deal with the time and stress of the repairs (or scheduling them).

For my wife and I, renting an apartment wasn't an option. We'd lived in duplexes and apartments for something like 8-10 years prior. Some were good, but the latter 4 years while in medical school we had miserable adjacent neighbors--kids running around, mom screaming, dog barking. All right upstairs. The next place we moved was a young couple who always had the loudest screaming matches. We're more sensitive to noise and we realized paying an extra $300-400/month would've been worth the peace of mind, ability to sleep, study, etc. We got lucky that we were able to then move into a coach house--no immediate neighbors! Unfortunately, they don't have those where I live now. That's why we only looked at renting homes, as we could've gotten an apartment pretty cheap.

Of course, one thing to consider is when you buy, you're stuck there. If you don't like your neighbors you can't exactly get up and move. But at least they don't live right on top of/below/to the side of you. You've got some space.

All-in-all, I'm glad we bought the house. Who knows if we break even, come out ahead (we might, when factoring in rent saved vs comparable place) or behind. It was a great starter home--we learned a ton about what we should've thought about when buying, what things to have inspected more closely (and how to make sure we have a good inspector--use a referral if available!), fixing up a home, landscaping, etc. etc. You think you learn a lot from the research you do prior to buying a home, but it's nothing compared to actually learning from living in one. Unfortunately a lot of that learning is done the hard way. So when we're ready to buy our next home (we'll likely rent the first 6 months of attendinghood so we can get to know the area, make sure I like the job, etc.), we'll be in a much stronger place on picking a home, knowing what fixer-upper stuff I can tackle on my own, what repairs are actually affordable, etc. Considering my next home will likely be our permanent home, and will likely cost $500k or whole a lot more (we're from CA, and would like to move back west, though I can't afford SF...), it'll be helpful to be a stronger/more knowledgeable buyer.

Long story short, I would still recommend against buying for the vast majority of residents. It's been great for us, but unless you have the time or are willing to spend a lot of what little free time you have working on a home, it'll just be a whole new source of stress. If you're a psych/derm/PM&R/path/etc resident with good hours, and the numbers look ok and you can find a good value home, then it may be worth considering.
I'm curious, what are your weekly hours like as a resident since you've mentioned the extra free time a couple times.
 
This post ended up being a bit long, but hopefully it'll be helpful.

I bought a home for a three year residency. ...

Long story short, I would still recommend against buying for the vast majority of residents. It's been great for us, but unless you have the time or are willing to spend a lot of what little free time you have working on a home, it'll just be a whole new source of stress. If you're a psych/derm/PM&R/path/etc resident with good hours, and the numbers look ok and you can find a good value home, then it may be worth considering.
I was going to post pretty much the exact same stuff you did, only without personal experience tied to it. This is a really great post and an Amazon GC is headed your way.

To the OP. There are a million (okay, maybe only a thousand, but whatever) variables at work in the rent/buy calculus that will vary widely from person to person and location to location.

The 2 big things you need to do are figure out how much money you're going to take home each month (use an online calculator such as Paycheckcity...or one of the many others) and how much it's going to cost you to buy compared to renting (I like the NY Times rent/buy calculator, but there are dozens of others out there as well).

And be sure that you include all the home ownership costs in your calculation. These include insurance, PMI (if required by your lender), property taxes, maintenance/HOA fees (if you buy a condo), and a slush fund to help pay for all the things that have been mentioned in this thread. So don't just compare your mortgage payment to your rent cost...it's way more complicated than that.

On a more basic level, I would argue that you're nearly always better off renting if you're moving to a completely unfamiliar part of the country, at least initially. You can do all the research you want, but until you're actually living somewhere, you won't be able to truly know all the important things about it. I have many colleagues/friends who bought houses where they were "supposed to" based on where other people bought and where the realtors told them to look (largely based on income and expected purchase price) who hate where they live because of the intangibles that they couldn't have figured out beforehand.
 
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WCI instructs to not buy in residency. I tend to agree with just about everything in that book.
 
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I'm curious, what are your weekly hours like as a resident since you've mentioned the extra free time a couple times.

It varies by the rotation I'm on (inpatient vs outpatient vs consults). My worst week was around 75hrs or so--on call and covering another resident on vacation. Most weeks on inpatient averaged closer to 60hrs or so. Outpatient is probably closer to 45-50. I didn't chose PM&R for the hours, but it sure is nice (granted, our pay isn't much compared to EM, anesthesia, surgery, etc.).
 
WCI instructs to not buy in residency. I tend to agree with just about everything in that book.
I, too, agree much with his book and blog. My biggest challenge is that as I'm waiting for the match next month, I keep looking at the rental and purchase markets near my top 7-8 choices. In all but 1 it is insanely expensive to try and rent something big enough for my family (wife + 3 kids, so it's 3 bed 2 bath minimum) when compared to buying.

I am having a hard time coming to terms with spending 2x a month on rent than what I would on a mortgage. Throw in the liberty of painting, changing, fixing, upgrading as I please and I'm leaning more and more toward buying this spring.
 
I, too, agree much with his book and blog. My biggest challenge is that as I'm waiting for the match next month, I keep looking at the rental and purchase markets near my top 7-8 choices. In all but 1 it is insanely expensive to try and rent something big enough for my family (wife + 3 kids, so it's 3 bed 2 bath minimum) when compared to buying.

I am having a hard time coming to terms with spending 2x a month on rent than what I would on a mortgage. Throw in the liberty of painting, changing, fixing, upgrading as I please and I'm leaning more and more toward buying this spring.

Renting is rarely twice the price of buying...

You need to make sure insurance and taxes are being factored in accurately. The calculators greatly miscalculated those two very important factors of my escrow when I bought my prior home years ago. I ended up living in the home five years and barely broke even. My wife has an income, so it was worth the risk...but for most residents it simply isn't worth the stress. I've had my escrow fluctuate between $200/month. For a resident that could be the difference between eating and starving.
 
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I bought a house when I started my intern year earlier this year, and it was a great decision for me. To give some details, the final price was around $210,000 with monthly mortgage + interest coming to $800 and the taxes and insurance to $550 (total of $1350/month). My take home income from my program is about $1200 every two weeks, so $2400/month with an occasional extra paycheck (and that's after, every two weeks, a $50 pre-tax health insurance premium, $200 pre-tax HSA deduction, and ~$130 Roth IRA, and a couple of other smaller insurance payments through the hospital, and I have a partner who is also a resident here. So realistically, it would be reasonable to afford this home on one income even if I kept all of my deductions the same, which went into my calculations as, even though my relationship is stable, I think my number 1 tip is that you must have a reliable contingency plan in the unfortunate case that your relationship dissolves.

My partner and I also live within 15 minute walking distance of our hospital (trudging, not sprinting), and we've been able to downsize to one car. We used a physician loan that offered a 5 year ARM (I'm in a 4-year program) at 2.75% with no downpayment and no PMI after looking at several of the lenders in our state that offered physician loans. Our home is 1450 square feet, and it was very difficult to find a home that was comparable in terms of quality (HVAC was redone last year, much of the home was renovated in the last year) and size for anything lower than this, and all of the apartments I looked at near the hospital cost somewhere in the $1600-$1700 per month range. That means a savings of $16,000 in terms of rental payments, which gives us some wiggle room for any necessary work.

Just as importantly, having our own home meant that I could use Airbnb to make extra money without worrying about a landlord finding out. In the last 8 months, we've made about $1000 extra through Airbnb, and we've been turning down many requests. Most of it will ultimately go to repairs, but it gives us a great additional cushion. I also plan to moonlight in my program, which can be very lucrative, but importantly, I did not account for this in my calculations and purposely chose to purchase a home that I could afford on my base salary with the idea that I can always dump more money into my mortgage if necessary. I also am doing income based repayment on my loans and took into account that my payments will almost certainly increase after adjustment for this year's income.

As far as plans after residency, I have no problem keeping this home and renting it if the market is down, which is something else I took into account. I probably won't stay in this city after residency, and unless I do a chief year, I'll have a full year until my mortgage adjusts when I could potentially look into selling if the market is reasonable. But even if I break even on price, what I lose in terms of closing fees and realtor fees will very likely be less than that $16,800 I'm saving.

I'm very happy, right now, with my purchase. I can see how it might not be a great idea for some people, but if you're savvy and patient, it can work out quite well in your favor.
 
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Keep in mind that people will make recommendations based upon their experiences. We have had a favorable housing market recently...take into consideration that things have not always been this good and are unlikely to be this good at least some point within the next decade.
 
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I think it really depends on your situation. Single and plan to do fellowship...short residency....probably rent. If you have a family, dogs, need a yard.......would have to rent a house probably, then buying a house who probably be better.

For me, I decided to buy. For my level of comfort, I would have to rent at about $1500 month for a house that is about 220K in my area. With the loan, I was able to get a much better house (265K) at $1800 month with insurance, taxes included.

I feel I can sell my house within months of leaving and will not do a fellowship. SO worse I would break near even on the house and would lose about 70K with rent.
 
Thank you everyone that posted! This all was very helpful and I will keep the factors you noted in mind as I do my search.
 
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