Buying your way into med school

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Ben Mendelsohn will blow us all away on the USMLE exams that we must contend with in the future.
I'll tell you what, Ben Mendelsohn can blow me any time, any day, hell, I'll even fly out to Florida for that
 
I kind of assumed it would go unnoticed or unappreciated amongst the rest of what's going on in this thread. But it seemed very appropriate.

I once saw Ben Mendelsohn scissor-kick Angela Lansbury.

Ben Mendelsohn's poop is considered currency in Argentina.

They say Gene Roddenberry got the idea for Star Trek by listening to Ben Mendelsohn talk in his sleep.
 
gawwd this is one crazy thread.
 
yall are hilarious. I heard Ben is pretty involved with intramural sports. HE had a lot of time in between saving babies and not taking the MCAT. It will be funny to see all the jock premeds at UF tear this kid apart if he steps on the field. :laugh:
 
yall are hilarious. I heard Ben is pretty involved with intramural sports. HE had a lot of time in between saving babies and not taking the MCAT. It will be funny to see all the jock premeds at UF tear this kid apart if he steps on the field. :laugh:

Ben Mendelsohn was the MVP of intramural sports for scoring a winning touchdown. He played quarterback and wide receiver....at the same time. 😱

Ben Mendelsohn breastfed John Madden.

Ben Mendelsohn's tears can cure cancer, but not AIDS for some reason...
 
I read somewhere that BenM was not accepted to the honors program as well, so wtf is Willie talking about.
 
right. he was denied multiple times when he applied to the UF JHP according to the sun sentinel but he did gain acceptance to the HP at NW. Not really sure how that works since NW is ranked around #20 and UF barely breaks fifty.
 
Northwestern is a more prestigious school than UF. UF is a state school that's basically only open to Florida residents. Northwestern takes bright minds from all over the country.

Oh, and I'm a Floridian, too.

I think the comparison here isn't all too justified. The Feinberg SOM was opened in the mid-19th century, whereas the UF COM was opened up in the mid-20th century. You're bound to rise in the rankings with a 100-year head-start. UF has done very well for itself for being a medical opened only about 60 years ago. So prestige here is a bit of an abstract concept to define.

And who says UF doesn't accept the brightest minds in the country. Floridians go to some of the best schools in the country. In my interview alone, there were quite a few students from Columbia, Yale, Duke, etc. Sure UF is a state school designed to train FL physicians, but it is certainly not limited to middle-tier undergraduate students.

Sure UF isn't as high as Northwestern in research rankings, but that is just a matter of time. If you compare the two with respect to how high they were able to climb the charts within a certain time frame, the distinctions would be hard to find.

This has nothing to do with Ben, but I just had to defend the school 😉
 
Willie's obviously trying to calm the storm against Ben. As someone mentioned, Willie may even be Ben or his dad...maybe even Dean Kone. Likely not, but I don't find this Willie person credible at all.

I don't see much reason for someone to come on here and try to defend Ben. I find these people much less credible than those indicating that he indeed "failed" out of the NW program. The people telling us that he did fail out and that his profile is not good for med school, etc, must be extremely malicious people if they are simply lying about Ben's credentials. These people should be ashamed of themselves if this is the case. Unfortunately, I do find them more believable than those preaching about Ben's greatness.

Simply put, why on earth would he leave NW if he met the matriculation requirements? Why risk his medical education if he was already golden at NW? If he's simply transferring because his girlfriend's coming here or something, then why would the admissions committee reject him (and a supposed member spill the beans) if he otherwise meets all the matriculation requirements the UF junior honors kids have to meet? It's fairly evident he's not qualified. A 50-member committee apparently thought so too.
 
Today's Alligator printed a new article titled "Med dean offers apologies". Dr. Kone apologized for divisive comments made to colleagues after overruling adcom decision to reject Ben. The article went on to say the Kone described Ben's qualifications "including SAT score of 1535 and a record of civic service." Kone said privacy laws kept him from going into greater detail.
 
Today's Alligator printed a new article titled "Med dean offers apologies". Dr. Kone apologized for divisive comments made to colleagues after overruling adcom decision to reject Ben. The article went on to say the Kone described Ben's qualifications "including SAT score of 1535 and a record of civic service." Kone said privacy laws kept him from going into greater detail.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you could only get scores that end in 0 on the SAT Reasoning test (e.g. a 1530 or 1540)?
 
I think the comparison here isn't all too justified. The Feinberg SOM was opened in the mid-19th century, whereas the UF COM was opened up in the mid-20th century. You're bound to rise in the rankings with a 100-year head-start. UF has done very well for itself for being a medical opened only about 60 years ago. So prestige here is a bit of an abstract concept to define.

And who says UF doesn't accept the brightest minds in the country. Floridians go to some of the best schools in the country. In my interview alone, there were quite a few students from Columbia, Yale, Duke, etc. Sure UF is a state school designed to train FL physicians, but it is certainly not limited to middle-tier undergraduate students.

Sure UF isn't as high as Northwestern in research rankings, but that is just a matter of time. If you compare the two with respect to how high they were able to climb the charts within a certain time frame, the distinctions would be hard to find.

This has nothing to do with Ben, but I just had to defend the school 😉


UF is a public, state school that pretty much only accepts Floridians. What do I care what their trend is on US Reports (you're barely in the top 50) or how long the schools have been open? It doesn't matter. As long as the school is limited in the population it draws from, and remains part of an underfunded state university system, you'll never have a prayer against private institutions like Northwestern with huge endowments and a whole nation of applicants knocking at their door. Exceptions: state schools with adequate funding and who don't think their own residents walk on water.

As a Florida resident, I'm well aware of the high regard Floridians hold their state schools. But as a Floridian who went to University of Michigan (a state school with 1/3 out of state enrollment and basically private tuition), I greatly disagree. Florida's education system is definitely improving, but it also had one of the worst public school systems in the country. I know - I lived through it.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you could only get scores that end in 0 on the SAT Reasoning test (e.g. a 1530 or 1540)?


I thought so as well, but that is what was printed. Perhaps a misquote in paper? The Alligator has been incorrect before.
 
UF is a public, state school that pretty much only accepts Floridians. What do I care what their trend is on US Reports (you're barely in the top 50) or how long the schools have been open? It doesn't matter. As long as the school is limited in the population it draws from, and remains part of an underfunded state university system, you'll never have a prayer against private institutions like Northwestern with huge endowments and a whole nation of applicants knocking at their door. Exceptions: state schools with adequate funding and who don't think their own residents walk on water.

As a Florida resident, I'm well aware of the high regard Floridians hold their state schools. But as a Floridian who went to University of Michigan (a state school with 1/3 out of state enrollment and basically private tuition), I greatly disagree. Florida's education system is definitely improving, but it also had one of the worst public school systems in the country. I know - I lived through it.

Well of course they can't compete with the money or the applicant pool but that makes it even more of a feat. The funding issue can't be denied but within recent years large endowments have been trickling there way into UF. There are so many factors that contribute to a school like NWs competitiveness. But by no means does this mean that UF could never in it's wildest dreams achieve the same level. Another point, yes NW and the like's applicant pool is larger but they are still only accepting close to the same amount of students, UF accepts all of the great florida applicants and rejects the rest while NW accepts the top US applicants and rejects all of the other top applicants. Point being, what's great about having 100 times more great students to choose from if there aren't enough spots for them. For a basketball analogy: UF and NW have great starters but UF's bench is weaker(bench representing rejected students).

I do know what you are saying about them thinking they walk on water though, but are you really implying that kids at NW or the like don't think this too...yeah good one. What I have also noticed about med school applicants from UF is that they idealize UF medical school. Very seldom have I met an applicant from UF that would consider UM or USF to be anywhere near UF's level. Kinda like brainwashing, but if I did my undergrad there I would probably be brainwashed too.
 
Well of course they can't compete with the money or the applicant pool but that makes it even more of a feat. The funding issue can't be denied but within recent years large endowments have been trickling there way into UF. There are so many factors that contribute to a school like NWs competitiveness. But by no means does this mean that UF could never in it's wildest dreams achieve the same level. Another point, yes NW and the like's applicant pool is larger but they are still only accepting close to the same amount of students, UF accepts all of the great florida applicants and rejects the rest while NW accepts the top US applicants and rejects all of the other top applicants. Point being, what's great about having 100 times more great students to choose from if there aren't enough spots for them. For a basketball analogy: UF and NW have great starters but UF's bench is weaker(bench representing rejected students).

I do know what you are saying about them thinking they walk on water though, but are you really implying that kids at NW or the like don't think this too...yeah good one. What I have also noticed about med school applicants from UF is that they idealize UF medical school. Very seldom have I met an applicant from UF that would consider UM or USF to be anywhere near UF's level. Kinda like brainwashing, but if I did my undergrad there I would probably be brainwashed too.

It looks like we're in a reasonable amount of agreement. However, I don't agree that picking the best students in Florida gets you nearly as strong of a pool as the best students nationally. While a large percentage of QUALIFIED medical school applicants get turned down because there are too few seats, the very gifted ones tend to flock to Ivy-caliber schools or research powerhouses like WashU, Michigan, etc.

Because UF takes so few out of state applicants, and since Florida lacks its own research powerhouses (although UF and Miami are working on it, I'm sure) - you're just not going to get the great minds (and their future donations) to make this happen. Further exacerbating the problem: it's a one-way street. Gifted students are leaving Florida for more respected medical schools while Florida refuses to take outsiders who are willing to go.

At the same time, Florida's public school system is very, very weak (49th in the nation at one point). If it wasn't for ridiculously cheap college tuition and the Bright Futures scholarship they'd lose many more top students to out of state schools. While nearly free tuition is a nice idea, I turned down Bright Futures because I was certain that a powerhouse like Michigan, with a diverse student population, could provide a much better education than an in-state homogenous crowd at UF. I think I made the right choice.

(I am, of course, excluding Miami from this discussion since they are private)
 
It looks like we're in a reasonable amount of agreement. However, I don't agree that picking the best students in Florida gets you nearly as strong of a pool as the best students nationally. While a large percentage of QUALIFIED medical school applicants get turned down because there are too few seats, the very gifted ones tend to flock to Ivy-caliber schools or research powerhouses like WashU, Michigan, etc.

Because UF takes so few out of state applicants, and since Florida lacks its own research powerhouses (although UF and Miami are working on it, I'm sure) - you're just not going to get the great minds (and their future donations) to make this happen. Further exacerbating the problem: it's a one-way street. Gifted students are leaving Florida for more respected medical schools while Florida refuses to take outsiders who are willing to go.

At the same time, Florida's public school system is very, very weak (49th in the nation at one point). If it wasn't for ridiculously cheap college tuition and the Bright Futures scholarship they'd lose many more top students to out of state schools. While nearly free tuition is a nice idea, I turned down Bright Futures because I was certain that a powerhouse like Michigan, with a diverse student population, could provide a much better education than an in-state homogenous crowd at UF. I think I made the right choice.

(I am, of course, excluding Miami from this discussion since they are private)

I'd be willing to be that the difference between the top students at Northwestern, and the top students at UF is virtually indistinguishable in terms of intellect. Does Northwestern get a few more students of this caliber...probably. But many of these top students choose UF, Miami, and many other less prestigious schools over places like Northwestern each year for a variety of reasons. Finances, location, family, and personal preferances steer many applicants to UF and similar schools all the time. I think it is interesting that the average GPA at UF is at the same level and even higher than at some of the elite schools. The only difference in terms of the students that they take, in terms of quantifiable attributes is MCAT score. So, one test taken on one day is the only thing that really says that Northwestern students, on average, are better. Some students study for this test for 3 or 4 weeks, others for 6 months to a year, and anywhere in between. Some take the test within days or weeks of finishing up the testable pre-reqs, and others take the test years later. I think that's pretty shaky grounds to say that one group of students is much better than another. In reality, with the exception of a few outliers, trying to differentiate between the scholastic potential of US Allopathic med students is splitting hairs.
Does Northwestern get more students with a ton of research experience and higher MCAT scores? Yes. This only makes sense, considering that those students who have ambitions of going to places like Northwestern are the ones who are going to put forth the effort to achieve the necessary requirements. (Why spend the extra months pursuing research publications and an extra 3 or 4 points on the MCAT, if you can get into UF...your top choice...without doing so? I'm not saying such reasoning applies to all students, but you'd probably be surprised how many it does apply to.) But this says nothing of the quality of education you will receive at either of the schools.
 
I'd be willing to be that the difference between the top students at Northwestern, and the top students at UF is virtually indistinguishable in terms of intellect. Does Northwestern get a few more students of this caliber...probably. But many of these top students choose UF, Miami, and many other less prestigious schools over places like Northwestern each year for a variety of reasons. Finances, location, family, and personal preferances steer many applicants to UF and similar schools all the time. I think it is interesting that the average GPA at UF is at the same level and even higher than at some of the elite schools. The only difference in terms of the students that they take, in terms of quantifiable attributes is MCAT score. So, one test taken on one day is the only thing that really says that Northwestern students, on average, are better. Some students study for this test for 3 or 4 weeks, others for 6 months to a year, and anywhere in between. Some take the test within days or weeks of finishing up the testable pre-reqs, and others take the test years later. I think that's pretty shaky grounds to say that one group of students is much better than another. In reality, with the exception of a few outliers, trying to differentiate between the scholastic potential of US Allopathic med students is splitting hairs.
Does Northwestern get more students with a ton of research experience and higher MCAT scores? Yes. This only makes sense, considering that those students who have ambitions of going to places like Northwestern are the ones who are going to put forth the effort to achieve the necessary requirements. (Why spend the extra months pursuing research publications and an extra 3 or 4 points on the MCAT, if you can get into UF...your top choice...without doing so? I'm not saying such reasoning applies to all students, but you'd probably be surprised how many it does apply to.) But this says nothing of the quality of education you will receive at either of the schools.

I can tell you right away why the GPA at UF is high: inflation built into the grading scale. At UF you get a 3.5 for a B+ and there's no such thing as a B-. By contrast, my B+ at Michigan is a 3.3 and a B- gets me a 2.7. Since UF med takes almost exclusively Florida students, that would skew the grades quite a bit.

On a large-scale basis, MCAT scores do a good job standardizing the effect of a school's curriculum. That's what it's for. Not much else I can say about that.

Research: any top student would be out of his mind not to pursue research. In fact, generally the best ones WANT to research! You're basically telling me that UF students are lazy by not doing it. I give them more respect than that - I think it's due to the lack of research opportunities in Florida, and especially out there in Gainesville, relative to the (huge) size of the student population.

Look, if Floridians want their high schoolers to stay in house and attend only Florida colleges and grad schools, that's fine. And I agree it's a good school, like most allopathic schools in the country. But to prop it up on the level of cutting-edge research institutions like Northwestern is ridiculous. It shows how brainwashed UF students are.

University of Florida is a state school tailor-made for in-state students brought up in a public education system known for being one of the worst in the nation, with almost zero taxation to provide funding.

In middle school, we had a saying: "Thank God for Arkansas." You know why? Because Florida's education system was 49th in the nation and Arkansas was 50th.
 
I can tell you right away why the GPA at UF is high: inflation built into the grading scale. At UF you get a 3.5 for a B+ and there's no such thing as a B-. By contrast, my B+ at Michigan is a 3.3 and a B- gets me a 2.7. Since UF med takes almost exclusively Florida students, that would skew the grades quite a bit.

On a large-scale basis, MCAT scores do a good job standardizing the effect of a school's curriculum. That's what it's for. Not much else I can say about that.

Research: any top student would be out of his mind not to pursue research. In fact, generally the best ones WANT to research! You're basically telling me that UF students are lazy by not doing it. I give them more respect than that - I think it's due to the lack of research opportunities in Florida, and especially out there in Gainesville, relative to the (huge) size of the student population.

Look, if Floridians want their high schoolers to stay in house and attend only Florida colleges and grad schools, that's fine. And I agree it's a good school, like most allopathic schools in the country. But to prop it up on the level of cutting-edge research institutions like Northwestern is ridiculous. It shows how brainwashed UF students are.

University of Florida is a state school tailor-made for in-state students brought up in a public education system known for being one of the worst in the nation, with almost zero taxation to provide funding.

In middle school, we had a saying: "Thank God for Arkansas." You know why? Because Florida's education system was 49th in the nation and Arkansas was 50th.

I think it's clear that Northwestern is at a higher level than UF right now - let's not kid ourselves. But from your posts, and seeing how we are discussing the Feinberg SOM and UF COM, it seems like you think that having a poor secondary public education system translates into poor-quality medical schools - it'd be nice to see some statistics on this; otherwise, this is entirely speculative. And although FL public high schools are near the bottom of the list nationally, there are other ways around this that premeds have utilized - an AP and IB curriculum standardizes the education on a national and global level, respectively.

I am not a UF undergrad, so I have not been "brainwashed," as you claim many UF students are. Although many Floridians may tend to overestimate the FL medical schools, it seems like you are far underestimating them.

But we are all getting off-track here. Let's not forget that Ben did have a Northwestern education, supposedly did not do well enough to gain admission, and was legitimately denied acceptance twice by the UF Medical Selection Committee (neglecting any extenuating factors like politics, money, or cronyism). So it's not fair to say we legitimately accept applicant pools from the very bottom of the list.
 
I can tell you right away why the GPA at UF is high: inflation built into the grading scale. At UF you get a 3.5 for a B+ and there's no such thing as a B-. By contrast, my B+ at Michigan is a 3.3 and a B- gets me a 2.7. Since UF med takes almost exclusively Florida students, that would skew the grades quite a bit.

On a large-scale basis, MCAT scores do a good job standardizing the effect of a school's curriculum. That's what it's for. Not much else I can say about that.

Research: any top student would be out of his mind not to pursue research. In fact, generally the best ones WANT to research! You're basically telling me that UF students are lazy by not doing it. I give them more respect than that - I think it's due to the lack of research opportunities in Florida, and especially out there in Gainesville, relative to the (huge) size of the student population.

Look, if Floridians want their high schoolers to stay in house and attend only Florida colleges and grad schools, that's fine. And I agree it's a good school, like most allopathic schools in the country. But to prop it up on the level of cutting-edge research institutions like Northwestern is ridiculous. It shows how brainwashed UF students are.

University of Florida is a state school tailor-made for in-state students brought up in a public education system known for being one of the worst in the nation, with almost zero taxation to provide funding.

In middle school, we had a saying: "Thank God for Arkansas." You know why? Because Florida's education system was 49th in the nation and Arkansas was 50th.

hahahaha :laugh: 👍
 
I can tell you right away why the GPA at UF is high: inflation built into the grading scale. At UF you get a 3.5 for a B+ and there's no such thing as a B-. By contrast, my B+ at Michigan is a 3.3 and a B- gets me a 2.7. Since UF med takes almost exclusively Florida students, that would skew the grades quite a bit.

On a large-scale basis, MCAT scores do a good job standardizing the effect of a school's curriculum. That's what it's for. Not much else I can say about that.

Research: any top student would be out of his mind not to pursue research. In fact, generally the best ones WANT to research! You're basically telling me that UF students are lazy by not doing it. I give them more respect than that - I think it's due to the lack of research opportunities in Florida, and especially out there in Gainesville, relative to the (huge) size of the student population.

Look, if Floridians want their high schoolers to stay in house and attend only Florida colleges and grad schools, that's fine. And I agree it's a good school, like most allopathic schools in the country. But to prop it up on the level of cutting-edge research institutions like Northwestern is ridiculous. It shows how brainwashed UF students are.

University of Florida is a state school tailor-made for in-state students brought up in a public education system known for being one of the worst in the nation, with almost zero taxation to provide funding.

In middle school, we had a saying: "Thank God for Arkansas." You know why? Because Florida's education system was 49th in the nation and Arkansas was 50th.

I think you are making too many assumptions without any solid evidence to support them. For one, UF gives preference to Florida residents NOT graduates from Florida institutions. If you did some actual research you would see that a striking number of matriculants to UF are from your precious "powerhouses." So the grade inflation argument is not very fitting. Either way, I would like to see some evidence that Florida universities have a concrete policy of inflating GPAs(although it shouldn't matter since many applicants to the Florida schools are students at out of state universities whose parents are legal residents of the state).
Scenario: my parents live on a beautiful beach in Florida and are legal residents of the state. I decided to attend Harvard for undergrad and decided to apply to the flagship university of Florida for medical school- UF. I am technically a Florida resident because I am a dependent of my parents (even though I went to school out of state). I'm accepted. Did UF close itself off to the cream of the crop? Florida schools accepting Florida residents is a matter of economics, not ethics. Floridians (regardless of where they go to school for undergrad) are more likely than non-Floridians to move back home (if they attended undergrad elsewhere) or stay put to ease the shortage of caregivers to an expanding population (immigration) & a growing one (imagine the influx of retiring baby boomers in the future!).

And remember, Florida is already a big state with a huge population and a lot of diversity. There is plenty of "gifted minds" to choose from (unless you can prove that kids born in Michigan & Massachusetts are somehow genetically more intelligent than those born in the sunshine state).

Plus, it's a pretty good deal when you consider tuition is roughly half of private/"powerhouse" schools (that idealistic youngsters tend to deem "top-caliber.") When you consider that your home state's tax payers are giving you the MD for half the price- you wouldn't be such a "bright mind" to turn it down.

In either case, like Dendrite has mentioned, Florida's acceptance from the likes of you should hardly be the focus of this conversation.
 
If UF is such a great school, I wonder why people are so sensitive about it.

I don't see many kids from Harvard (or Northwestern) getting all upset when other people criticize their school. They know they're the real deal, no matter what anyone has to say about it.

The UF students posting here apparently can't say the same.
 
If UF is such a great school, I wonder why people are so sensitive about it.

I don't see many kids from Harvard (or Northwestern) getting all upset when other people criticize their school. They know they're the real deal, no matter what anyone has to say about it.

The UF students posting here apparently can't say the same.

It's not so much being defensive of a school, but rather an effort to clarify points that aren't substantiated. If the school does something I don't agree with, I'll be among those who criticize that choice, as well as other UF med students - I don't hesitate to do it because in the end of the day, I'll know it's still among the best med schools in the country.
 
If UF is such a great school, I wonder why people are so sensitive about it.

I don't see many kids from Harvard (or Northwestern) getting all upset when other people criticize their school. They know they're the real deal, no matter what anyone has to say about it.

The UF students posting here apparently can't say the same.

Oh, please...
If you'd be happy to tell me what medical school you attend I'd like to test your reaction to unfounded criticisms and unsupported claims that attempt to degrade and stupefy your institution. There shouldn't be anything wrong with current students at an institution correcting misinformation about their school. That's what SDN is all about- spreading correct information.

And I don't see UF students spreading false information about other schools.

This is a pre-med forum where many applicants turn to for information. Thus, it is important to correct mistakes, call for evidence and bring the level of civility and accuracy up to par.
 
Lizzy scores for NU and UF
mean gpa*10+mean MCAT - 1.
Stats taken from school's web sites today.

NU = 70.3
UF = 68.5

The Lizzy score weighted a little differently, accounts for 19% of the US News ranking.

Kone himself thinks UF is going down the tubes given the budget cuts it has suffered.

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/11/State/Budgets_pinch_med_sch.shtml
 
Lizzy scores for NU and UF
mean gpa*10+mean MCAT - 1.
Stats taken from school's web sites today.

NU = 70.3
UF = 68.5

The Lizzy score weighted a little differently, accounts for 19% of the US News ranking.

Kone himself thinks UF is going down the tubes given the budget cuts it has suffered.

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/11/State/Budgets_pinch_med_sch.shtml

If anyone is going down the tubes it'll be Kone himself. :laugh:

But seriously, care to clarify what you actually mean with your personal LizzyM score?
 
If anyone is going down the tubes it'll be Kone himself. :laugh:

Well, we agree on that! I'm surprised he hasn't yet fallen on his sword.

He's so busy checking e-mail accounts but his own infamous e-mail of Friday, April 4 included a forwarded message from Janine Sikes that gave the last name of the admitted student.

I do feel some pity for Kone given that I think he was "just following orders" when he took one for the team and signed an admission offer to someone who had been rejected (2 years running by some accounts) by the adcom. One the other hand, anyone with any sense knows not to send angry, angst filled e-mails (or snail mails) until they are re-read in the light of day, and never send anything you wouldn't want read in open court. When it comes to CYA, he's not too savy.
 
But seriously, care to clarify what you actually mean with your personal LizzyM score?


The Lizzy score for a school is average gpa*10 + average MCAT - 1

The LizzyM score for an individual applicant is gpa*10 + MCAT. One should apply mostly to schools that match or closely match one's LizzyM score. A few reach schools and a few safeties are OK but for the most part, the schools where you'd be an "average" matriculant are your safest bet.

I coined the phrase about a year or two ago and it has sort of caught on here on the pre-allo board. I'm sure that many before me have thought about ways of combining the two major variables into a single variable.
 
I love it. An entire 10 page thread BASHING UF's shady practices.


Stay tuned... More to come after these brief messages.
 
Kone just emailed us another disgustingly long manifesto on the topic and related issues. It'll probably end up in the gvillesun soon. Just a heads up.
 
I think buying your way into medical school is awesome! My friend's cousin got into UC school with a 24 MCAT(florida resident) not due to money, but he was related to the admissions committee, so he got a shoe-in.
 
I think buying your way into medical school is awesome! My friend's cousin got into UC school with a 24 MCAT(florida resident) not due to money, but he was related to the admissions committee, so he got a shoe-in.

Wow, related to the entire admissions committee!! That's a seriously incestuous committee!

😱:laugh:
 
I think buying your way into medical school is awesome! My friend's cousin got into UC school with a 24 MCAT(florida resident) not due to money, but he was related to the admissions committee, so he got a shoe-in.

Ugh, I hate that. It's "shoo." I have nothing else to contribute, other than to admit that I am ashamed to call "gplex86" a fellow Wolverine. Seriously, what's with statements like "you barely make the top 50" and "state schools don't attract/retain star applicants?" There are plenty of medical schools that "barely make the top 50," and plenty more that aren't on the list at all. Why do people need to hurl around US News rankings as if they are some sort of insult? Statements like these simply make you sound like a naive pre-med. Furthermore, I highly doubt that you were the victim of any sort of poor-quality education system. While I'd buy that Florida is home to some of the worst schools in the country, bad schools don't have alumni that matriculate at schools like Michigan. There are good public schools in Florida.
 
Kone just emailed us another disgustingly long manifesto on the topic and related issues. It'll probably end up in the gvillesun soon. Just a heads up.

I want to read it!
 
Dean Kone has been relieved of his duties. In sticking with the theme for this thread, 'buying your way into medical school' gets people in trouble.
 
Way back in message #35 from April 11:

Did you read Dean Kone's e-mail message to, among others, the President of the University? (a sidebar to the newspaper story) I think that Dean Kone's going to be run out of town again. Looks like there will be a search committee forming to find a new Dean of the med school soon.
 
Did I congratulate you yet? If not, great job! Congrats on UF! Keep your fingers crossed for the rest of us.
Regarding Kone www.gainesville.com

It's BREAKING NEWS.

Thank you and I will keep my fingers crossed for you all. About the breaking news: well I can say that today may be one of the happiest days of my life(getting my number one acceptance) and the news about Kone was definately the sprinkles.🙂

It is a new day for UF and I think they handled the whole situation with a calm careful charisma. The "relieving" of Kone has re-instilled my faith in UF. Handled like a true gentleman..... Applause......
 
I think they handled the whole situation with a calm careful charisma. The "relieving" of Kone has re-instilled my faith in UF. Handled like a true gentleman..... Applause......

Could it be that Kone is the goat for a decision that was made by people "higher up" and that he was called on to execute. I'm not convinced that President Machen's hands are clean given Kone's late night e-mail and the LORs from Crist (I almost called him Christ 😳 ) and the legislator to Machen on the applicant's behalf.
 
Could it be that Kone is the goat for a decision that was made by people "higher up" and that he was called on to execute. I'm not convinced that President Machen's hands are clean given Kone's late night e-mail and the LORs from Crist (I almost called him Christ 😳 ) and the legislator to Machen on the applicant's behalf.


Understandable and still valid. You know what though, the shear possibility that Kone made the choice to execute an un-ethical act makes me pleased to say we got the shooter from the crime. He may have been hired, but at least it is a step in the right direction.

I don't doubt that Machens smart, he runs the school like a business, rightfully so. Theory: with budget cuts and what not, Machen thinks that getting buddy buddy with Crist by accepting his golfing partner's kid will make it more likely that UF gets thrown more money when it is divided up in Tallahassee. However if he is this clever he made sure that he can't be proven guilty of such involvement. Therefore, it will most likely remain speculation.
 
Could it be that Kone is the goat for a decision that was made by people "higher up" and that he was called on to execute. I'm not convinced that President Machen's hands are clean given Kone's late night e-mail and the LORs from Crist (I almost called him Christ 😳 ) and the legislator to Machen on the applicant's behalf.

I think that you are right, Kone is somewhat of a scapegoat, but still a dirtball who was far from innocent in all of this and he had to go. Although I think that Machen was involved, I doubt he sees any real consequence.

I wonder now, what will happen to Ben M? Even if they still let him attend, I'd personally feel pretty bad that I let someone fall on the grenade for me like that. Ruin their deanship and put a huge dent in their career just because I was too naive or lazy to take the MCAT and apply by the deadline.
 
I think that you are right, Kone is somewhat of a scapegoat, but still a dirtball who was far from innocent in all of this and he had to go. Although I think that Machen was involved, I doubt he sees any real consequence.

I wonder now, what will happen to Ben M? Even if they still let him attend, I'd personally feel pretty bad that I let someone fall on the grenade for me like that. Ruin their deanship and put a huge dent in their career just because I was too naive or lazy to take the MCAT and apply by the deadline.

I think that Ben didn't expect to have to apply to medical school. If he was in the honors program at NU but had a gpa after junior year that was too low to pass go and proceed to Feinberg med school, then he might have decided to do a 4th year of undergrad to improve his gpa. If by the end of December it was obvious that his gpa was still too low, he was already beyond every deadline for MCATs, AMCAS, etc. So, in the fine tradition of political clout, I suspect that someone said, "Let me make some calls and see what we can do." Nicely coincided with the budget process for UF which was particularly bad this year, so there may have been quite a bit of pressure on Machen & Kone to do this or have the entire med school (or the entire U ) suffer.

I don't doubt that there are people who think that Ben is a smart fellow who deserves to receive a medical education at his State's flagship medical school. I don't doubt that Ben believes in those who believe in him. I don't doubt that he is charming (according to folks who met him at second look) and eventually some may forget the whole incident. In fact, there may be those who are actually thankful that this whole thing blew up as it did because there were other reasons (one involving a wealthy donor and a highly regarded senior faculty member) to want Kone gone.
 
Dean Kone has been relieved of his duties. In sticking with the theme for this thread, 'buying your way into medical school' gets people in trouble.
:clap::clap::clap:👍
 
I think that Ben didn't expect to have to apply to medical school. If he was in the honors program at NU but had a gpa after junior year that was too low to pass go and proceed to Feinberg med school, then he might have decided to do a 4th year of undergrad to improve his gpa. If by the end of December it was obvious that his gpa was still too low, he was already beyond every deadline for MCATs, AMCAS, etc. So, in the fine tradition of political clout, I suspect that someone said, "Let me make some calls and see what we can do." Nicely coincided with the budget process for UF which was particularly bad this year, so there may have been quite a bit of pressure on Machen & Kone to do this or have the entire med school (or the entire U ) suffer.

I don't doubt that there are people who think that Ben is a smart fellow who deserves to receive a medical education at his State's flagship medical school. I don't doubt that Ben believes in those who believe in him. I don't doubt that he is charming (according to folks who met him at second look) and eventually some may forget the whole incident. In fact, there may be those who are actually thankful that this whole thing blew up as it did because there were other reasons (one involving a wealthy donor and a highly regarded senior faculty member) to want Kone gone.

I agree with the majority of your comments. HOWEVER, if BM lined his chips up correctly, he would have been ahead of the game. Ie, take the MCAT, complete the AMCAS, etc, etc, just incase he didn't make the grade at NU. There's no way he didn't see this coming months in advance.

A very small piece of me does feel for him. I certainly wouldn't want to be the one kid who ruined Bruce Kone's administrative career.
 
Haven't read the entire thread, but earlier, some people said that his name shouldn't be printed. Valid point, but not sure I agree. That is the price you pay as a public figure. Look at NY's ex governor Spritzer (sp?). Nobody would care if some unknown was with a prostitute, but the media went to town on him.

To whom much is given, much is expected. More was expected of this fellow. True, it may not have been his fault; maybe all his father's doing. He had perks growing up, and with bigger perks come bigger drawbacks.
 
I think that Ben didn't expect to have to apply to medical school. If he was in the honors program at NU but had a gpa after junior year that was too low to pass go and proceed to Feinberg med school, then he might have decided to do a 4th year of undergrad to improve his gpa. If by the end of December it was obvious that his gpa was still too low, he was already beyond every deadline for MCATs, AMCAS, etc. So, in the fine tradition of political clout, I suspect that someone said, "Let me make some calls and see what we can do." Nicely coincided with the budget process for UF which was particularly bad this year, so there may have been quite a bit of pressure on Machen & Kone to do this or have the entire med school (or the entire U ) suffer.

I don't doubt that there are people who think that Ben is a smart fellow who deserves to receive a medical education at his State's flagship medical school. I don't doubt that Ben believes in those who believe in him. I don't doubt that he is charming (according to folks who met him at second look) and eventually some may forget the whole incident. In fact, there may be those who are actually thankful that this whole thing blew up as it did because there were other reasons (one involving a wealthy donor and a highly regarded senior faculty member) to want Kone gone.

Good theory on the GPA issue. Someone mentioned before that it is about a girl who will be attending UF vet school. That theory seems slightly less reliable, however I wouldn't be surprised.
 
I agree that he should be ousted. Give the position to somebody who earned it.
 
Ben is probably gonna match to orthapedic surgery in 4 years. 😱

I think that Ben didn't expect to have to apply to medical school. If he was in the honors program at NU but had a gpa after junior year that was too low to pass go and proceed to Feinberg med school, then he might have decided to do a 4th year of undergrad to improve his gpa. If by the end of December it was obvious that his gpa was still too low, he was already beyond every deadline for MCATs, AMCAS, etc. So, in the fine tradition of political clout, I suspect that someone said, "Let me make some calls and see what we can do." Nicely coincided with the budget process for UF which was particularly bad this year, so there may have been quite a bit of pressure on Machen & Kone to do this or have the entire med school (or the entire U ) suffer.

I don't doubt that there are people who think that Ben is a smart fellow who deserves to receive a medical education at his State's flagship medical school. I don't doubt that Ben believes in those who believe in him. I don't doubt that he is charming (according to folks who met him at second look) and eventually some may forget the whole incident. In fact, there may be those who are actually thankful that this whole thing blew up as it did because there were other reasons (one involving a wealthy donor and a highly regarded senior faculty member) to want Kone gone.


That sounds like a very logical explanation. 👍


Kone will retain a tenured faculty position within the department of medicine in the division of nephrology, according to an e-mail sent to deans, directors and department chairs within the college

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