California Emory premed discusses successful application cycle

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A California Emory premed discusses her successful '20-'21 application cycle.

What's interesting is that her stats (though very good - 3.88/515) aren't sky high and yet she managed to get an acceptance on her first cycle despite applying to only 16 schools.

I think her highly balanced application (one gap year in research and one gap year with Teach for America) really helped her stand out.

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3.9/515 are extremely strong stats. The only thing that you could consider a bit 'low' (relatively) is the MCAT, which is 90th percentile. 16 schools ranked 20-50 and you will definitely get an acceptance. I didn't watch the video but unless you are from California or something, it shouldn't be that much of a problem; even then you still have a chance at all UCs. 16 apps to T20 yea you are screwed. Shows importance of school list.
 
3.9/515 are extremely strong stats. The only thing that you could consider a bit 'low' (relatively) is the MCAT, which is 90th percentile. 16 schools ranked 20-50 and you will definitely get an acceptance. I didn't watch the video but unless you are from California or something, it shouldn't be that much of a problem; even then you still have a chance at all UCs. 16 apps to T20 yea you are screwed. Shows importance of school list.
She’s from California and applied top heavy.
 
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I would’ve set the over under at 1.5 acceptances so sounds about right.

Based on the data, I’m pretty sure at least 8/10 applying with those stats get at least 1 acceptance.
 
What's interesting is that her stats (though very good - 3.88/515) aren't sky high and yet she managed to get an acceptance on her first cycle despite applying to only 16 schools
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A California Emory premed discusses her successful '20-'21 application cycle.

What's interesting is that her stats (though very good - 3.88/515) aren't sky high and yet she managed to get an acceptance on her first cycle despite applying to only 16 schools.

I think her highly balanced application (one gap year in research and one gap year with Teach for America) really helped her stand out.

Enjoy!

Bruh, this isn't surprising in the least. Sure her MCAT isn't sky high, but it's still above average, as you said, so makes complete sense why she got in on her first try. Honestly, these are the kinda posts that scare pre-meds into thinking they're so much worse than they actually are lol.
 
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Bruh, this isn't surprising in the least. Sure her MCAT isn't sky high, but it's still above average. Honestly, these are the kinda posts that scare pre-meds into thinking they're so much worse than they actually are lol.
It’s the balance in her application, her friendly & calm demeanor, her excellent essays and her demonstrated interest in serving underserved communities via primary care (showcased in other videos) that netted her 4 interviews and an acceptance at a CA medical school on the first try when much higher stat applicants are being denied.

That’s why I posted this. Hopefully that’s how it’s taken.
 
It’s the balance in her application, her friendly & calm demeanor, her excellent essays and her demonstrated interest in serving underserved communities via primary care (showcased in other videos) that netted her 4 interviews and an acceptance at a CA medical school on the first try when much higher stat applicants are being denied.

That’s why I posted this. Hopefully that’s how it’s taken.
I know you meant well, just from seeing your interactions here, which was why I edited my post once I scrolled back up and saw your username. I'm very happy for her, and she does seem like a wonderful person, but I just wanted to point out a detail- her GPA/MCAT is 3.88/515, and she was ultimately only accepted to one medical school, which has stats of 3.69/511 (in-state), and a school for which she was in-state. Her stats are almost at the 75th percentile of this school.

There are of course people with these stats that get rejected. I myself am a reapplicant with a 4.0/520 as you know. But nearly 80% of people with her stats are accepted, so her success certainly wasn't improbable. I do certainly agree with you that she has a wonderful demeanor, but it doesn't seem to have done much for her applications in terms of "punching above her weight".
 
I know you meant well, just from seeing your interactions here, which was why I edited my post once I scrolled back up and saw your username. I'm very happy for her, and she does seem like a wonderful person, but I just wanted to point out a detail- her GPA/MCAT is 3.88/515, and she was ultimately only accepted to one medical school, which has stats of 3.69/511 (in-state), and a school for which she was in-state. Her stats are almost at the 75th percentile of this school.

There are of course people with these stats that get rejected. I myself am a reapplicant with a 4.0/520 as you know. But nearly 80% of people with her stats are accepted, so her success certainly wasn't improbable. I do certainly agree with you that she has a wonderful demeanor, but it doesn't seem to have done much for her applications in terms of "punching above her weight".
These are all valid points but I question whether ORMs from CA with her stats are accepted into CA state schools at a 80% clip. Those schools are notoriously selective. Consider that UCLA, UCSF, UC San Diego are all T20s.

She also had a "bad" school list. Her non-CA state schools included Stanford, Keck, Pitt, Brown, Emory, NYU/LI - all very selective. She only applied to 16 schools overall, which is also very light.

Faha and Goro advise CA applicants - regardless of stats - to apply to a list of mid-tier OOS schools that are receptive to CA applicants. As far as I can tell, she didn't apply to any of these target schools even though she is/was a SDN follower. She didn't apply to schools like Georgetown & Tulane that heavily favor applicants like her with strong service records.
 
These are all valid points but I question whether ORMs from CA with her stats are accepted into CA state schools at a 80% clip. Those schools are notoriously selective. Consider that UCLA, UCSF, UC San Diego are all T20s.

She also had a "bad" school list. Her non-CA state schools included Stanford, Keck, Pitt, Brown, Emory, NYU/LI - all very selective. She only applied to 16 schools overall, which is also very light.

Faha and Goro advise CA applicants - regardless of stats - to apply to a list of mid-tier OOS schools that are receptive to CA applicants. As far as I can tell, she didn't apply to any of these target schools even though she is/was a SDN follower. She didn't apply to schools like Georgetown & Tulane that heavily favor applicants like her with strong service records.
Yup, which was likely why she ended up with only one acceptance rather than a few more. Perhaps that is the take-home lesson from this- school list curation.

Than again, different people have different goals, so it's hard to judge. Perhaps she had reasons for not applying to these other schools. Or even if in her case it was purely a mistake, others might.
 
Lol I hate to be that guy @sadwinter but you didn’t need to make a whole Reddit post since some people had different analysis from you.

Mans is on here most of the day too

 
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Lol I hate to be that guy @sadwinter but you didn’t need to make a whole Reddit post since some people had different analysis from you.

Mans is on here most of the day too


It wasn't really about different analysis or anything lol. I just thought it was really funny because this is what r/premed always says happens in SDN haha.
 
It wasn't really about different analysis or anything lol. I just thought it was really funny because this is what r/premed always says happens in SDN haha.

The same **** happens in r/premed but because their subreddit doesn’t automatically sort by new or most recently commented no one sees them.
 
The same **** happens in r/premed but because their subreddit doesn’t automatically sort by new or most recently commented no one sees them.
yea honestly, a lot of things they complain about happen there too, but since downvotes are anonymous and actually make the content less visible, most of the top posts end up "feel good".

There was one especially insightful comment from an applicant that spent 50k on an applicant help service that substantially helped improve his med school app. His dad was some MBA millionaire. He never said "everyone should do this" or "I'm just so much better than you all". In fact, he even admitted he was immensely privileged to be able to afford this service. His comment described exactly how they helped him, and it was useful or at least interesting information to know, even if the vast majority can't afford it. Yet, it got downvoted to the absolute bottom of the post, and feel good comments such as "yea screw those daddies money kids" were at the top.
 
yea honestly, a lot of things they complain about happen there too, but since downvotes are anonymous and actually make the content less visible, most of the top posts end up "feel good".

There was one especially insightful comment from an applicant that spent 50k on an applicant help service that substantially helped improve his med school app. His dad was some MBA millionaire. He never said "everyone should do this" or "I'm just so much better than you all". In fact, he even admitted he was immensely privileged to be able to afford this service. His comment described exactly how they helped him, and it was useful or at least interesting information to know, even if the vast majority can't afford it. Yet, it got downvoted to the absolute bottom of the post, and feel good comments such as "yea screw those daddies money kids" were at the top.
How does he know the service helped?
 
How do you know that's the real person not a guy from the firm lying?
Well, the guy never names the firm, and the people that ask him to dm them never got a dm (other threads). Definitely could just be a troll, but it would be a troll based on reality as similar firms exist, such as Shemmassian.
 
Assuming its all true, how can a consulting firm help him get 2 pubs? Unless they are published in XYZ high school journal lol
It's not so much that the consulting firm gets you the pubs, it's more that they help identify the research opportunities that are most likely to lead to publications with minimum effort. From personal experience, I have two major research positions in my app. The first one gave me 4 publications by time of application. The second one I still am in the early stage of writing a single publication.
 
$50,000 for a consulting firm to look at your application? What could they have possibly done that justifies 50k.
he describes exactly what they did.
his dad seems absolutely loaded from what he says in the thread. You have to remember, for a few lucky people, 50k is a rounding error. I hope to be one of those people one day lol. Even a small amount of help "justifies" 50k at that point.
 
$50,000 for a consulting firm to look at your application? What could they have possibly done that justifies 50k.
There are some for Ivy League undergrad admissions charging 200,000. It’s like a full time mentor from freshman-senior

 
You know the scene in dumb and dumber when they open the briefcase and find that its loaded with cash, and they start spending recklessly and literally throw money away? For some reason it just makes me think of that.

I wonder how many med school applicants could afford to sink 50k...heck if they can afford that, they shouldn't be a doctor, they should do something significantly less stressful and enjoy life on a beach, lol.
 
I mean say what you want about r/premed but at least the moderators remove worthless or troll posts, and there are no 200 comment threads with kids rioting about meaningless rankings.
 
You know the scene in dumb and dumber when they open the briefcase and find that its loaded with cash, and they start spending recklessly and literally throw money away? For some reason it just makes me think of that.

I wonder how many med school applicants could afford to sink 50k...heck if they can afford that, they shouldn't be a doctor, they should do something significantly less stressful and enjoy life on a beach, lol.
It’s almost always family money.
 
There are some for Ivy League undergrad admissions charging 200,000. It’s like a full time mentor from freshman-senior


This piece, published by the organization itself, actually blew me away. "We were made fun of on “CNBC” for our fees — even though they grossly underreported our fees at the time. Recently, our fees made the headlines. You may have read about our fees on the cover of a Sunday edition of “The New York Post.” But what most surprises our critics is that we make absolutely no apologies for our fees."
 

This piece, published by the organization itself, actually blew me away. "We were made fun of on “CNBC” for our fees — even though they grossly underreported our fees at the time. Recently, our fees made the headlines. You may have read about our fees on the cover of a Sunday edition of “The New York Post.” But what most surprises our critics is that we make absolutely no apologies for our fees."
This is why I’m so against eliminating the SAT/ACT. In my experience, it is the only element of the application that can’t be dramatically improved by throwing money at it. Somebody who got a 1000 is not going to get a 1600 no matter how much tutoring, coaching etc.
 
This is why I’m so against eliminating the SAT/ACT. In my experience, it is the only element of the application that can’t be dramatically improved by throwing money at it. Somebody who got a 1000 is not going to get a 1600 no matter how much tutoring, coaching etc.
That’s exactly why a lot of influential people want to ban the SAT/ACT.

SAT subject tests are gone. SAT/ACT are on the ropes.
 
This is why I’m so against eliminating the SAT/ACT. In my experience, it is the only element of the application that can’t be dramatically improved by throwing money at it. Somebody who got a 1000 is not going to get a 1600 no matter how much tutoring, coaching etc.
perhaps not as directly, but wealth correlates very strongly with SAT/ACT success.
 
This is why I’m so against eliminating the SAT/ACT. In my experience, it is the only element of the application that can’t be dramatically improved by throwing money at it. Somebody who got a 1000 is not going to get a 1600 no matter how much tutoring, coaching etc.
Didn't Olivia Jade get like a 34 on the ACT. "Get" *

Things can always be gamed lol. Also you'd be hard pressed to find someone who was put through prep schools since age 5 who can't break a 30 or 1350 on the SAT on their first try. Sure wealthy people exist that don't give a **** about school but those aren't of concern.
 
perhaps not as directly, but wealth correlates very strongly with SAT/ACT success.
The word “standardized” literally means “the same” - as in the NFL uses a standardized football for all games. Remember the huge controversy that erupted when Tom Brady was found to use a deflated ball? There’s a commonly shared sense of fairness that competitors should be held to the same standard.
 
Didn't Olivia Jade get like a 34 on the ACT. "Get" *

Things can always be gamed lol. Also you'd be hard pressed to find someone who was put through prep schools since age 5 who can't break a 30 or 1350 on the SAT on their first try. Sure wealthy people exist that don't give a **** about school but those aren't of concern.
The “old” SAT (no grammar, a lot more geometry, no calculator, verbal analogies, more difficult reading passages, etc) was designed to be much harder to study for (more of an “aptitude” test). Equity driven reforms led to the current exam, which is much easier to study for (more of an achievement test).

Scores on the old exam were also deflated - making a 1500 much harder to attain.

Perhaps go back to the old standard.
 
Didn't Olivia Jade get like a 34 on the ACT. "Get" *

Things can always be gamed lol. Also you'd be hard pressed to find someone who was put through prep schools since age 5 who can't break a 30 or 1350 on the SAT on their first try. Sure wealthy people exist that don't give a **** about school but those aren't of concern.
From my memory, ACT was much easier to prepare for. SAT felt somewhat impossible to study for. I know some people go through like 15000 vocab, only to not get 1 on the actual exam. I liked the SAT plus subject tests. It allowed applicants to display aptitude and subject mastery at the same time.

IIRC When I applied, subject tests were required (or strongly recommended) if submitting SAT rather than ACT. Also back then only a few elite schools (Ex. Bowdoin) were test optional. No Ivy League schools were test optional. Now they all are.
 
The word “standardized” literally means “the same” - as in the NFL uses a standardized football for all games. Remember the huge controversy that erupted when Tom Brady was found to use a deflated ball? There’s a commonly shared sense of fairness that competitors should be held to the same standard.
sorry, but I'm not sure why you just defined standardized there. My point was that wealth can be a significant factor in SAT/ACT scores as well.
 
And the quality of students hasn't dropped; what does that tell you...
Many quality students who didn’t go to elite prep schools or didn’t have money to afford fancy extracurriculars were left behind. At least that is my impression from the results of people I interviewed
 
This is why I’m so against eliminating the SAT/ACT. In my experience, it is the only element of the application that can’t be dramatically improved by throwing money at it. Somebody who got a 1000 is not going to get a 1600 no matter how much tutoring, coaching etc.
to be honest, I always figured the real reason driving SAT/ACT elimination at universities was so that it would be easier to practice affirmative action. Harvard used to release racial breakdown of SAT scores via Crimson until the test switched to 1600 again a few years ago, and average Asian accepted was 200 pts higher than the average Black accepted. (Asian: 2300, White: 2250, Hispanic: 2200, Black: 2100)

This difference was one main factor that drove the Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard lawsuit, and most of these test-optional changes have happened since then.
 
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Back when pedigree was all that mattered (think the Great Gatsby), were students at HYP as good as they are now? How would you decide that?
Yes per my eye witness account. ON moon, . Therefore ACT should be abolished.
 
I suspect she has some ace in the back pocket like a great life story, a major recommendation, or a very notable achievement. She strikes me as the type of person who would listen to her premed adviser, and if so, they probably signed off on her decision. Even though she only got into one school, that invite list is impressive. My take: she is a solid candidate in a non-boilerplate kind of way.

I recommend that all potential applicants do everything in their power to apply and get into medical school on one application cycle. I know you all are trying, but simply put, boilerplate candidates cannot afford to apply to just 17 schools.

Disclosure: I applied to 17 schools, got five interviews, one acceptance, one rejection, and withdrew from two places. I got accepted to a higher ranked school than hers, but my invite list was not as impressive as hers. I applied to 17 schools because I was just willing to walk away if I didn't get in on the first cycle.

Good luck everybody. If you don't get in, it may be a blessing in disguise.
 
I suspect she has some ace in the back pocket like a great life story, a major recommendation, or a very notable achievement. She strikes me as the type of person who would listen to her premed adviser, and if so, they probably signed off on her decision. Even though she only got into one school, that invite list is impressive. My take: she is a solid candidate in a non-boilerplate kind of way.

I recommend that all potential applicants do everything in their power to apply and get into medical school on one application cycle. I know you all are trying, but simply put, boilerplate candidates cannot afford to apply to just 17 schools.

Disclosure: I applied to 17 schools, got five interviews, one acceptance, one rejection, and withdrew from two places. I got accepted to a higher ranked school than hers, but my invite list was not as impressive as hers. I applied to 17 schools because I was just willing to walk away if I didn't get in on the first cycle.

Good luck everybody. If you don't get in, it may be a blessing in disguise.
How does she get that many invites and only get into one school. That is the part that is scaring me since my invites were mid to late cycle invites as it appears hers also were
 
How does she get that many invites and only get into one school. That is the part that is scaring me since my invites were mid to late cycle invites.
Emory & Stanford are too research heavy for her. Kaiser Permanente is a head scratcher given that she's interested in primary care and from CA.
 
How does she get that many invites and only get into one school. That is the part that is scaring me since my invites were mid to late cycle invites.

That's how the game goes. It's hard to explain. Only a minority of enrollees have 2+ acceptances. If you are a truly stellar candidate, you may just get one acceptance... at a really good place. Or you may get lucky and have 2+ acceptances.

I'll tell you guys how I got rejected post interview. I was already accepted at a higher-ranked school when I interviewed. I didn't reek the desperation of applicants who were still pining for their first acceptance. And they picked up on it and rejected me.
 
Emory & Stanford are too research heavy for her. Kaiser Permanente is a head scratcher given that she's interested in primary care and from CA.
Kaiser also invites like 800 people for 50 slots. Apparently like 70 acceptances, with people turning down Hopkins and HMS. I can see why she didn’t get in to KPSOM.

however the fact that she only got into 1 is a little concering. Definitely making me want a couple more interviews before thanksgiving and things winding down
 
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Kaiser also invites like 800 people for 50 slots. Apparently like 70 acceptances, with people turning down Hopkins and HMS. I can see why she didn’t get in to KPSOM.

however the fact that she only got into 1 is a little concering

Y'know what? I'll just say it. Don't apply top heavy with a 515 and be Asian at the same time considering the average Asian matriculant has a 514.
 
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