Can DO become MD by taking USMLE?

[orthomyxo]

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I have a part of my brain that allows me to give different responses, depending on the situation I'm in. I've exercised it to such a great degree that I'm now able to respond to someone on the internet in one manner while being able to respond to the parents of an autistic child in an entirely different manner. It's an awesome skill. I'd recommend developing it.

This thread is 10/10

 

[PacificBlue2012]

Ask they how they feel in four years when they 'want the residency.'

Very true, yet the stats of some people going to the Caribbean are through the roof, many with 30+ MCATs and 3.7 GPAs. And ironically many will be in a position where they will not be able to get a license.

 

[orthomyxo]

Very true, yet the stats of some people going to the Caribbean are through the roof, many with 30+ MCATs and 3.7 GPAs. And ironically many will be in a position where they will not be able to get a license.

Well that's their problem for not going DO if they had the chance. Maybe they should've thought twice before getting their MD out of a gumball machine.

 

[Mohammed1989]

Well that's their problem for not going DO if they had the chance. Maybe they should've thought twice before getting their MD out of a gumball machine.

Haha gumball machine.

I know a lot of people who go to the islands. The thing is they leave right after high school so they can get ahea of the game. One of my friends went there and is still regretting it because he saved 3 but still took roughly 3 years to get read for his steps. Nowadays everyone wants to finish quick and get it over with, not realizing in the long run it usually does take longer. Might not match the residency of your choice or might not match at all. When you go overseas it's pretty much playing a game on chance. You might make it or perhaps your just going down with the ship.

 

[drctother]

You might make it or perhaps your just going down with the ship.

I would prefer to float with my arm floaties chillin😎

 

[JaggerPlate]

Very true, yet the stats of some people going to the Caribbean are through the roof, many with 30+ MCATs and 3.7 GPAs.

ROFL. Proof please???

 

[PacificBlue2012]

ROFL. Proof please???

The admission stats to some of these schools has gone up. Still many students are substandard.

A friend of mine wanted to go school in the country where I got my medical degree, and I told him to apply DO since he was sure he was planning to work in the US.

 

[JaggerPlate]

The admission stats to some of these schools has gone up. Still many students are substandard.

A friend of mine wanted to go school in the country where I got my medical degree, and I told him to apply DO since he was sure he was planning to work in the US.

My point is that the Caribbean schools are not made up of a bunch of 3.7/30 students. It's 'possible' that the stats have increased slightly over time (they all do), but your number seems to be nothing more than an estimation or opinion, which I feel is highly inflated and should be backed up with some proof. It's my understanding that the 'big 3' Caribbean schools still have averages around 3.3/26

 

[ChrisTyra]

like they would ever want to?

hahaha epic win!

 

[Dissected]

Why does all of that sound vaguely familiar? Stop back when you have an original thought.

That was the point. You sound ridiculous.

 

[koennen]

That was the point. You sound ridiculous.

I sound ridiculous? I guess my humor is a little over your head. Sorry. I forgot you go to an osteopathic school. I'll speak more slowly. H-a-v-e a g-o-o-d n-i-g-h-t.

 

[megathunder]

I sound ridiculous? I guess my humor is a little over your head. Sorry. I forgot you go to an osteopathic school. I'll speak more slowly. H-a-v-e a g-o-o-d n-i-g-h-t.

Wow, so now you're trolling against osteopathy? GTFO 👎

Ps. Judging from your post history you sound like a senile loser who's taking the internet a little too seriously. I think you need to take a little break and focus on your med school, doesn't look too highly upon Jefferson that they accepted a dick like you.

 

[Hottpants89]

I sound ridiculous? I guess my humor is a little over your head. Sorry. I forgot you go to an osteopathic school. I'll speak more slowly. H-a-v-e a g-o-o-d n-i-g-h-t.

Or its just not funny. Either way.

 

[drctother]

I sound ridiculous? I guess my humor is a little over your head. Sorry. I forgot you go to an osteopathic school. I'll speak more slowly. H-a-v-e a g-o-o-d n-i-g-h-t.

Who the **** is this clown? Why are you posting on a DO forum you *****? Just as important, how the hell do people like you even get into medical school?! I feel bad for your patients.

Judging by the arrogant tone and attitude in your posts, you are one of these jackasses who ONLY wants to go into med for the money and prestige of it. There is absolutely no other type of person that would write a comment like that on a DO forum.

Its really a shame that you dont throw these comments around more in real life. If I get into a DO school and hear someone throwing words like that, your getting knocked out

 

[JaggerPlate]

I sound ridiculous? I guess my humor is a little over your head. Sorry. I forgot you go to an osteopathic school. I'll speak more slowly. H-a-v-e a g-o-o-d n-i-g-h-t.

ROFL ... Ahhh, the high road! As soon as I'm done choking on this irony, I'm going to meet you up there and see what the view is like.

 

[Dissected]

I forgot you go to an osteopathic school..

Care to explain what that's supposed to mean?

 

[jaybird90]

Ok, I am confused....

I also thought DO ---> DO. MD school ---> MD.

Going DO school, than an MD residency...you're still a DO right?

I always thought this...but I volunteered at this MD school hospital. Was following an intern around and asked what med school she went to and she named a DO school in Kansas. Werid thing is, her white coat said "Firstname Lastname, M.D.". I never heard of the school, think she got the same impression. And continued to say "There are several doctors from there that are doing their residency here" and points to a guy who was walking past, he also had M.D. on his white coat.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Ok, I am confused....

I also thought DO ---> DO. MD school ---> MD.

Going DO school, than an MD residency...you're still a DO right?

I always thought this...but I volunteered at this MD school hospital. Was following an intern around and asked what med school she went to and she named a DO school in Kansas. Werid thing is, her white coat said "Firstname Lastname, M.D.". I never heard of the school, think she got the same impression. And continued to say "There are several doctors from there that are doing their residency here" and points to a guy who was walking past, he also had M.D. on his white coat.

You're right ... the school grants the degree, the post graduate training does not change that. I can't comment on the Kansas school, but it was likely just a MD school you haven't heard of.

 

[Dissected]

You're right ... the school grants the degree, the post graduate training does not change that. I can't comment on the Kansas school, but it was likely just a MD school you haven't heard of.

Some hospitals also put 'MD' on the name badges and paperwork for every doctor that works there, even if they have a DO. Not sure if this is the case here, but it's possible.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Some hospitals also put 'MD' on the name badges and paperwork for every doctor that works there, even if they have a DO. Not sure if this is the case here, but it's possible.

Yeah. Every DO at the hospital where I worked had 'MD' on their name tag. What threw me was the fact that the OP said it was on the white coat.

 

[preDoGuy24]

I sound ridiculous? I guess my humor is a little over your head. Sorry. I forgot you go to an osteopathic school. I'll speak more slowly. H-a-v-e a g-o-o-d n-i-g-h-t.

I love it when people will say s*** like this on an anonymous internet forum but don't have the b###s to say it to a DO's face. Have fun living the life of douchbagery and cowardice, your children will be proud.

 

[jaybird90]

nah it was DO school in Kansas, googled it when i got home =)

but i think they just put MD on each residents coat since its an MD school, it's my best guess. oh well not really important

 

[PacificBlue2012]

My point is that the Caribbean schools are not made up of a bunch of 3.7/30 students. It's 'possible' that the stats have increased slightly over time (they all do), but your number seems to be nothing more than an estimation or opinion, which I feel is highly inflated and should be backed up with some proof. It's my understanding that the 'big 3' Caribbean schools still have averages around 3.3/26

My point is that there are plenty of people with those kinds of stats who wind up going to a foreign medical school. And many people out there are stuck in old ways, they want to have MD letters behind their name. DO stats are up as well too. When I got out of college over 10 years ago, it was possible to be a strong applicant with a 3.1 and a 24, now the typical averages are much higher, 3.5 and 28-29 MCAT seems more the norm.

 

[Instatewaiter]

Umm... everyone needs to calm down. Seriously

 

[JaggerPlate]

My point is that there are plenty of people with those kinds of stats who wind up going to a foreign medical school.

I think we simply disagree. No harm no foul, I just don't believe that there are 'plenty' of 3.7/30s out there that wind up at SGU.

 

[NurWollen]

I think we simply disagree. No harm no foul, I just don't believe that there are 'plenty' of 3.7/30s out there that wind up at SGU.

If there are, they must have done something wrong when they applied. Maybe the applied too late or wrote a horrible personal statement or had NO clinicals, but bottom line they did something wrong. There is no reason anyone with those stats should end up in the Caribbean.

 

[drctother]

I dont really understand why people are so shocked at people going Abroad for medicine with high stats. I have several friends in the Caribbean (SGU) with 3.5+ and 30+ MCATs. Another friend of mine is starting at Uof Queensland in Australia with a 32 MCAT and i believe a 3.3 gpa.

My friends in Caribbean argue its a beautiful location and want to get away from the depressing rain. They know they are smart and will be ahead of the game at SGU.

My friend in Australia also wants to go to school in a beautiful location but thinks the Caribbean is ****.

Not everyone is the same

As Triage said....its an acceptance and some people jump on it because time is a factor

 

[TriagePreMed]

I dont really understand why people are so shocked at people going Abroad for medicine with high stats. I have several friends in the Caribbean (SGU) with 3.5+ and 30+ MCATs. Another friend of mine is starting at Uof Queensland in Australia with a 32 MCAT and i believe a 3.3 gpa.

My friends in Caribbean argue its a beautiful location and want to get away from the depressing rain. They know they are smart and will be ahead of the game at SGU.

My friend in Australia also wants to go to school in a beautiful location but thinks the Caribbean is ****.

Not everyone is the same

As Triage said....its an acceptance and some people jump on it because time is a factor

Time is very little a factor when you're 21-22 fresh out of school. Most people make the mistake to think that if they don't jump in now then they will be old and what not.

People that go to SGU are NEVER ahead in any way. The Caribbean is the poorest choice anyone can ever make. This is why people here are in shock when they hear about folks making that mistake.

 

[JaggerPlate]

I dont really understand why people are so shocked at people going Abroad for medicine with high stats. I have several friends in the Caribbean (SGU) with 3.5+ and 30+ MCATs. Another friend of mine is starting at Uof Queensland in Australia with a 32 MCAT and i believe a 3.3 gpa.

My friends in Caribbean argue its a beautiful location and want to get away from the depressing rain. They know they are smart and will be ahead of the game at SGU.

My friend in Australia also wants to go to school in a beautiful location but thinks the Caribbean is ****.

Not everyone is the same

As Triage said....its an acceptance and some people jump on it because time is a factor

Triage is right ... it's a big mistake.

Your friends from SGU won't be ahead of the game one bit. Assuming this simply because they have decent stats is a mistake. The reality is that they will be viewed differently by program directors who will not care that they had great stats or did well at SGU and are probably FAR more likely to give their spots to kids from US MD schools. Additionally, ask your friend who is going to U of Q/Oschner program is he/she knows that they will not be eligible for a license in states like CA. Again, big mistake. The fact of that matter is that residency spots and practicing in general is getting tougher and tougher. Doing something like going to SGU or Aus simply because you didn't get into a select US MD school the first time around will really be detrimental in the end. These people would have been far better off doing a SMP, researching for a year, etc, and applying broadly the next time around.

 

[MIAmedica]

I sound ridiculous? I guess my humor is a little over your head. Sorry. I forgot you go to an osteopathic school. I'll speak more slowly. H-a-v-e a g-o-o-d n-i-g-h-t.

wtf dude... I find this more offensive than the whole mom joke that started this thing (which was hilarious by the way 😀). Why the DO bashing?

 

[sideways]

wtf dude... I find this more offensive than the whole mom joke that started this thing (which was hilarious by the way 😀). Why the DO bashing?

If you look at his post history, most of it is DO bashing. If you look at his reply to my original mom sex post, you'll see it was another not-so-subtle attempt at denigrating DOs.

I find it interesting that sideway's crude, immature, middle-school mentality response to the OP has elicited such overwhelming approval from pre-DOs and DO students in this thread. A sad commentary on the maturity level of those who joined in to nod approvingly. Pathetic.

He really went out of his way with that one.

My guess is he's your typical insecure status-seeker. It's why he's in medical school to begin with. This insecurity is fueled by the fact that he's going to Jefferson. Therefore the insecurity is somewhat understandable. It's a fallback application for all MD students, and it's in a town with a DO school that is more respected than it. So his personal jihad is to now convince an internet forum that DOs are inferior in an effort to quiet the tears in his mind.

 

[Biology101]

In 1970's California you could become a MD from a DO for 65 dollars.

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Though that MD degree wasnt very useful outside of CA...

 

[VA1986]

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[AutumnChild]

Anyone think koenen is just pretending to be a medical student and making immature, rude and sarcastic posts on SDN because he has nothing better to do in life? I sure think so

 

[HarMegido]

The OP's question has been answered, but this response struck a nerve with me.

When a patient asks you, "Will my son get autism from this vaccine?", will you respond with some smart-ass, denigrating response like the one above? Or will you explain that all scientific data has ruled out any possibility that vaccines cause autism?

Not everyone is as smart as you. Not everyone is as wonderful at searching previous threads as you. There are a lot of people who get bad advice. When you know the answer to a question, it is your job as the teacher (the informed) to educate the student (the uninformed), not to berate and belittle.

I don't mean to offend, and I personally find the OP's question ludicrous, but he/she is simply uninformed and unschooled in the difference between licensing and degrees; he/she is not an idiot.

Sideways' answer was perfectly legitimate and yes, people deserve to have smart-ass answers for stupid questions. students and patients alike

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Can I become your dad by ****ing your mom?

you just won at internet.

 

[MIAmedica]

If you look at his post history, most of it is DO bashing. If you look at his reply to my original mom sex post, you'll see it was another not-so-subtle attempt at denigrating DOs.

Duly noted sideways. This one just felt a little more blatant and I was really taken aback by it. Whether he did only once or many times... it's just not cool.

 

[jeffro1080]

If you look at his post history, most of it is DO bashing. If you look at his reply to my original mom sex post, you'll see it was another not-so-subtle attempt at denigrating DOs.



He really went out of his way with that one.

My guess is he's your typical insecure status-seeker. It's why he's in medical school to begin with. This insecurity is fueled by the fact that he's going to Jefferson. Therefore the insecurity is somewhat understandable. It's a fallback application for all MD students, and it's in a town with a DO school that is more respected than it. So his personal jihad is to now convince an internet forum that DOs are inferior in an effort to quiet the tears in his mind.

I love you for your last posts; I really do, but come on, you can't be serious about this. Jefferson's average MCAT is a full 6 points higher than PCOM's.....

 

[Kgizzle]

you just won at internet.

 

[waspahh33]

I love you for your last posts; I really do, but come on, you can't be serious about this. Jefferson's average MCAT is a full 6 points higher than PCOM's.....

Rehashing an epic thread after 2-1/2 months with that? Please.

 

[Humanz]

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[SFO-IST]

I clicked on this thread consumed by excitement, hoping that I would find some decent face-palm jpegs that I could add to my growing collection. I just wanted to voice my deep disappointment at the lack of said jpegs. I mean come on people, two pages and not even a measly Picard-single-hand-facepalm? Honestly....

This thread deserves at least an Al Gore facepalm. At least......

 

[willen101383]

I love you for your last posts; I really do, but come on, you can't be serious about this. Jefferson's average MCAT is a full 6 points higher than PCOM's.....

aww dont be upset! MCAT=respect? Didnt know that! We love you guys over @ Jeff. Its a good school and a good hospital and very well respected in Philly.

 

[jeffro1080]

aww dont be upset! MCAT=respect? Didnt know that! We love you guys over @ Jeff. Its a good school and a good hospital and very well respected in Philly.

oh yea, I forgot the MCAT means nothing. 🙄

I also forgot about all the other non-quantifiables such as the campus "feel", fitting in with the student body and really really wanting to be a doctor!!

 

[willen101383]

oh yea, I forgot the MCAT means nothing. 🙄

I also forgot about all the other non-quantifiables such as the campus "feel", fitting in with the student body and really really wanting to be a doctor!!

Hey man good for you! I am glad you like/are going to jeff. Its a good school. I dont get where the condescending remarks are coming from considering I am saying nice things about jeff. So what are you saying I dont really really want to be a doctor?

and FYI MCAT means nothing once you are accepted. Any correlations between MCAT and anything are pretty minimal. And if you are placing an emphasis on "non quantifiables" you should know most DO schools place a greater emphasis on their applicants "non quantifiables" than most MD schools do..hence the MCATs being lower than average. I think my years of clinical experience post college speak much more loudly about my desire/ability to become a doctor than my MCAT score....which I would say is probably pretty close to Jeffs average. But im not fighting with you over this. We are all philly med students and should be respecting each other.

 

[JaggerPlate]

oh yea, I forgot the MCAT means nothing. 🙄

I also forgot about all the other non-quantifiables such as the campus "feel", fitting in with the student body and really really wanting to be a doctor!!

My MCAT is higher than Jeff's average (or should I say 'was' - like Willen said, it matters 0% once in med school), and I'm at one of those damn DO schools. Generalizations are never good, but thanks for keeping it in perspective/sharing your worlds of knowledge with us pre-med.

 

[Instatewaiter]

and FYI MCAT means nothing once you are accepted. Any correlations between MCAT and anything are pretty minimal. And if you are placing an emphasis on "non quantifiables" you should know most DO schools place a greater emphasis on their applicants "non quantifiables" than most MD schools do..hence the MCATs being lower than average. I think my years of clinical experience post college speak much more loudly about my desire/ability to become a doctor than my MCAT score....which I would say is probably pretty close to Jeffs average. But im not fighting with you over this. We are all philly med students and should be respecting each other.

Yeah the bolded is bull****.

I could say that my former med school (VCU) put more emphasis on non-quantifiables than Harvard (and I may have in the past) to explain the disparity in MCAT scores. However, in reality my school's MCAT was lower because those superstars didn't apply to VCU and if they did, very few chose VCU over Harvard.

 

[Hah]

Hehe these threads are full of lols

 

[jeffro1080]

lol notice how I said nothing about MD > DO. I was only suggesting that Jefferson is a better school than PCOM.

I don't care how well the MCAT correlates to anything after getting into medical school. I never even brought it up! what I am suggesting is that the average MCAT score is generally a good tool for evaluating a med school...

Drexel 30 < temple 31 < Jeff 32 < UPENN ~35

is this a coincidence? I'm pretty sure most people would consider this a proper assessment even if the score were left out.

the MCAT isn't the most important thing in the world but it IS important. intelligent people sometimes score low on the MCAT but stupid people almost NEVER score high... (waiting for contrary anecdotes about the kid from their biology class that's soooo dumb but got a 35).

obviously med school is difficult; but surely it is a measure of motivation rather than intelligence.... no wonder there's a weak MCAT correlation!!!

you can call me an ignorant pre-med all you want but it's pretty obvious how my opinions are based on common sense and a willingness to be objective. besides, in 7 months I'll be a med student and thus infallible... right???

 

[ND10]

Considering PCOM is one of the best DO schools, by saying that Jefferson > PCOM, you are pretty much saying that MD > DO.