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[jeffro1080]

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Aww, sorry you got the WL @ Jeff. Must have missed that somewhere and made the assumption that your username=you were going to jeff. Sorry it didnt workout for you. Hopefully things workout for you @ Drexel....and remember to keep your valuables out of sight up there on Queen Lane...pretty rough part of town.

As for your acceptances rates Jeff had 9700/255 spots 2.6%

PCOM for my class had 7000/275 3.9%

So your argument continues to make little sense to me. I guess the fact that you are 1.3% more likely to be admitted to PCOM based on applicant numbers alone makes Jeff OMG so much better than PCOM in your (very misinformed) mind. As far as match lists go..it is well known there are plenty of upper level ACGME programs that arent DO friendly..so not sure how that makes the education at Jeff better.

If you compare Jefferson's and PCOMs rotation sites you will see that both schools share about 50% percent of the same rotation sites.

Anyways I am done shooting apart your argument because as we all know...here on SDN premeds know more than those ahead of them...and tend to stick to their own misguided opinions even when presented with overwhelming evidence of the contrary. In addition I have zero issues with Jeff, respect it, know it produces great docs, and have friends that are in multiple levels of training at that school. However, I dont agree that is that astronomically better of a school than PCOM...especially since we have professors from Jeff that lecture at PCOM as well. There are 2 things in my mind that make jeff a better option for certain people: Jeff has a large university hospital attached, and it issues an MD so that will open some more doors at the top echelon programs. Two thing PCOM has going for it over Jeff: better location IMO and since this always comes up on here: Cheaper tuition/room and board.

queen lane looked pretty safe to me. thanks for trying to make me feel bad about getting into medical school.

what's that aphorism about statistics again???? you're a serious *****; Jeff has a much much more competitive applicant pool. so much so that it's blatantly obvious from attending the interviews.

if you had been paying attention to my posts you would know that I have said nothing about the quality of instruction at either school. I even went out of my way to say "who could know [what school taught better without going to each school]". my definition of "better" this whole time has been based on matching.

 

[jeffro1080]

My applicant pool argument is intentionally flawed...because that poster decided to open that can of worms. I obviously know the applicant pools are different. The only reason I am arguing with you over reputation is because it seems like you have an issue with DO schools...that is all (maybe I am unfairly reading you). Hell, I will be the first one to talk about the downfalls of the DO pathway...and the fck up AOA..but for the most part I think DO schools produce docs that are just as competent to their MD counterparts. I am proud of where I go and I respect my school and professors...just like I respect Jeff. So for me both schools are on the same playing field. Thats why I love going to school in Philly. It seems like all the schools here "get along" and there is a mutual respect regardless of stats.

And as far as the playing the resident card goes...you should. You obviously know more than me about med school and residency and your opinion should carry more weight on here...and for the most part I do respect what you have to say.

 

[jeffro1080]

While I do concur Jeff has a sick facility (and Wills is really sick IMO) any argument to the respect either school garners in Philly would be anecdotal. Both schools have been fixtures in Philly for over 100 years, have produced thousands and thousands of physicians. I have a ton of respect for both schools. As far as the advancement of medicine goes...that isnt PCOM's goal. Jeff is obviously a research oriented school while PCOM isnt. Both schools have plusses and minuses.

This thread has gotten downright silly dont ya think?

Actually, Jeff isn't research oriented at all.

it's kind of funny how you dismissed someone else point as anecdotal when almost everything you've said seems to be based off of your opinion.

 

[willen101383]

queen lane looked pretty safe to me. thanks for trying to make me feel bad about getting into medical school.

what's that aphorism about statistics again???? you're a serious *****; Jeff has a much much more competitive applicant pool. so much so that it's blatantly obvious from attending the interviews.

if you had been paying attention to my posts you would know that I have said nothing about the quality of instruction at either school. I even went out of my way to say "who could know [what school taught better without going to each school]". my definition of "better" this whole time has been based on matching.

HAHA queen lane is safe. Cool I hope you think so. Like I said I hold a graduate degree from your future school and spent 2 years up there living less than a block away. My home was burglarized, my bike stolen, my neighbor returned home to find a bullet hole through his car door, etc all in the 2 years I was there. Drexel prob doesnt tell you this stuff but it ROUTINELY happens. Med/grad students have also been physically attacked and robbed at gun/knifepoint. I wasnt even trying to be a dick to you...I was being honest with you about your school's location. And sorry I didnt read your posts more carefully. Nothing that you posted even made any sense to me so I just glossed over it.

Oh and how does it make sense that Jeff has a much more competitive applicant pool that it "is blatantly obvious" during interviews. What were you guys all sitting in here ego stroking by talking about your scores? I never saw that at any school I interviewed at. Hmm...I think I actually mentioned that I am not trying to argue that Jeff attracts people with higher stats than PCOM for the most part.

 

[willen101383]

Actually, Jeff isn't research oriented at all.

it's kind of funny how you dismissed someone else point as anecdotal when almost everything you've said seems to be based off of your opinion.

Its not? Its a hell of a lot more research oriented than PCOM.

And dude. Your mind is made up...there is no changing it...as is the usual case with premeds on SDN. So good luck @ Drexel...keep your doors locked, valuables out of view, and perhaps get a CC permit.

 

[Hah]

HAHA queen lane is safe. Cool I hope you think so. Like I said I hold a graduate degree form your future school and spent 2 years up there living less than a block away. My home was burglarized, my bike stolen, my neighbor returned home to find a bullet hole through his car door, etc all in the 2 years I was there. Drexel prob doesnt tell you this stuff but it ROUTINELY happens. Med/grad students have also been physically attacked and robbed at gun/knifepoint. I wasnt even trying to be a dick to you...I was being honest with you about your school's location. And sorry I didnt read your posts more carefully. Nothing that you posted even made any sense to me so I just glossed over it.

It's true... If you go like one block west of the med school you are in a really bad area. To be honest even the immediate area around Temple looked better than the area between drexel med and center city... People just say Drexel is safer because its suburbian around it. I had to take the shuttle to my interview at Hahnemman and it was baaaad. It's like people think there is an invisible fortress around drexel or something.

 

[willen101383]

It's true... If you go like one block west of the med school you are in a really bad area. To be honest even the immediate area around Temple looked better than the area between drexel med and center city... People just say Drexel is safer because its suburbian around it. I had to take the shuttle to my interview at Hahnemman and it was baaaad. It's like people think there is an invisible fortress around drexel or something.

The thing about Philly is that it has REALLY rough areas right next to really nice areas. If you continue south on queen lane away from the bad neighborhoods you end up in a pretty decent part of town. But like you said...once youre past the queen lane septa station you are in some really really bad areas. Criminals arent stupid...they know plenty of med students live right around campus...with their laptops/tvs/etc and they wont even hesitate to smash your door in while you are in your apartment. Thats how things work in Philly. I bought a house a year ago in Abington which is a town north of the city..which borders northeast Philly. A few weeks ago 3 homes on my street were burglarized on a sunday afternoon. I have dogs, an alarm system, and a wonderful arsenal (lol) to keep my family safe. Its a big city and you need to keep your wits about you here.

And I know exactly how you probably went from queen lane down to hahnemann...and thats not even close to as bad as it gets!

 

[jeffro1080]

HAHA queen lane is safe. Cool I hope you think so. Like I said I hold a graduate degree from your future school and spent 2 years up there living less than a block away. My home was burglarized, my bike stolen, my neighbor returned home to find a bullet hole through his car door, etc all in the 2 years I was there. Drexel prob doesnt tell you this stuff but it ROUTINELY happens. Med/grad students have also been physically attacked and robbed at gun/knifepoint. I wasnt even trying to be a dick to you...I was being honest with you about your school's location. And sorry I didnt read your posts more carefully. Nothing that you posted even made any sense to me so I just glossed over it.

Oh and how does it make sense that Jeff has a much more competitive applicant pool that it "is blatantly obvious" during interviews. What were you guys all sitting in here ego stroking by talking about your scores? I never saw that at any school I interviewed at. Hmm...I think I actually mentioned that I am not trying to argue that Jeff attracts people with higher stats than PCOM for the most part.

I noticed that the students interviewing at Jeff went to better schools. Weren't you asked to introduce yourself at your interviews?

 

[jeffro1080]

Its not? Its a hell of a lot more research oriented than PCOM.

And dude. Your mind is made up...there is no changing it...as is the usual case with premeds on SDN. So good luck @ Drexel...keep your doors locked, valuables out of view, and perhaps get a CC permit.

go look on the NIH website and look at how much funding Jeff gets in comparison to other MD schools. Jeff isn't research oriented just because it gets more than PCOM. DO schools don't get much grant money. geez even a premed knows that.

good argument. you've managed to say nothing worthwhile besides Drexel being unsafe. thanks for ignoring everything that you can't argue and focusing on being a douche.

lololol premeds are always wrong. I guess I'll be infallible like you when I start in August lolololol

 

[Longshanks]

I noticed that the students interviewing at Jeff went to better schools. Weren't you asked to introduce yourself at your interviews?

better schools
😆

people go to various undergrads for countless reasons and you pick one interview day out of several dozen to chose from.

 

[JaggerPlate]

I noticed that the students interviewing at Jeff went to better schools.

Really???? Now were measuring applicant clout by undergrad. Ughh 🙁

 

[jeffro1080]

better schools
😆

people go to various undergrads for countless reasons and you pick one interview day out of several dozen to chose from.

well considering Jeff interviews 30 people at time, I'd say it's a decent pool. I knew every single school that was brought up during the Jeff interview. I only knew half of the schools during the PCOM interview. take it however you want.

do you really think that I'm assuming Jeff is a better school because of noticing this? I think its more likely that you're grasping at straws. 🙄

I can hardly believe that you guys are arguing PCOM > Jeff...

lol so far it's been "you're just a pre-med. you don't know anything".... haha and when a resident comes in and agrees with pretty much all my opinions it's ignored.

 

[JaggerPlate]

well considering Jeff interviews 30 people at time, I'd say it's a decent pool. I knew every single school that was brought up during the Jeff interview. I only knew half of the schools during the PCOM interview. take it however you want.

do you really think that I'm assuming Jeff is a better school because of noticing this? I think its more likely that you're grasping at straws. 🙄

I can hardly believe that you guys are arguing PCOM > Jeff...

lol so far it's been "you're just a pre-med. you don't know anything".... haha and when a resident comes in and agrees with pretty much all my opinions it's ignored.

I've been a member of SDN for over 3 years, have 7,600 posts, and I must admit that I've never been so exhausted with a thread in my entire time here.

You still seem to have a very warped perception of this entire process/system, and the arguments within this thread have become so convoluted and confusing that it's seriously just not worth it anymore. I really do believe that once you start medical school, you'll start to see some of these factors that once seemed to correlate so well and mean so much (undergrad university, MCAT scores, etc) just melt away as a totally new game starts.

However, until that time, I honestly think we should just let this thread die. It's to the point now that people are arguing over neighborhoods in Philly, NIH research dollars, and 'straws' all in the same freaking thread. I think it's safe to say this thing is officially a jumbled mess and everyone should just walkkkk away.

 

[jeffro1080]

I've been a member of SDN for over 3 years, have 7,600 posts, and I must admit that I've never been so exhausted with a thread in my entire time here.

You still seem to have a very warped perception of this entire process/system, and the arguments within this thread have become so convoluted and confusing that it's seriously just not worth it anymore. I really do believe that once you start medical school, you'll start to see some of these factors that once seemed to correlate so well and mean so much (undergrad university, MCAT scores, etc) just melt away as a totally new game starts.

However, until that time, I honestly think we should just let this thread die. It's to the point now that people are arguing over neighborhoods in Philly, NIH research dollars, and 'straws' all in the same freaking thread. I think it's safe to say this thing is officially a jumbled mess and everyone should just walkkkk away.

lol nothing is being argued. it's just assumption after assumption.

I've made it clear multiple times now that I don't think the MCAT plays a role once you're a medical student... lol it didn't even have anything to do with my argument.

all I have been saying that the MCAT is a GENERAL (as in not absolute. not the sole basis for choosing a school. not something to brag about and hold over someones head) tool to measure the quality of a school.

 

[jeffro1080]

I've been a member of SDN for over 3 years, have 7,600 posts, and I must admit that I've never been so exhausted with a thread in my entire time here.

You still seem to have a very warped perception of this entire process/system, and the arguments within this thread have become so convoluted and confusing that it's seriously just not worth it anymore. I really do believe that once you start medical school, you'll start to see some of these factors that once seemed to correlate so well and mean so much (undergrad university, MCAT scores, etc) just melt away as a totally new game starts.

However, until that time, I honestly think we should just let this thread die. It's to the point now that people are arguing over neighborhoods in Philly, NIH research dollars, and 'straws' all in the same freaking thread. I think it's safe to say this thing is officially a jumbled mess and everyone should just walkkkk away.

yah, you keep saying that.

lol nothing is being argued. it's just assumption after assumption.

I've made it clear multiple times now that I don't think the MCAT matters once you're a medical student... lol it didn't even have anything to do with my argument.

all I have been saying is that the MCAT is a GENERAL (as in not absolute. not the sole basis for choosing a school. not something to brag about and hold over someones head) tool to measure the quality of a school.

 

[painmd87]

The thing about Philly is that it has REALLY rough areas right next to really nice areas. If you continue south on queen lane away from the bad neighborhoods you end up in a pretty decent part of town. But like you said...once youre past the queen lane septa station you are in some really really bad areas. Criminals arent stupid...they know plenty of med students live right around campus...with their laptops/tvs/etc and they wont even hesitate to smash your door in while you are in your apartment. Thats how things work in Philly. I bought a house a year ago in Abington which is a town north of the city..which borders northeast Philly. A few weeks ago 3 homes on my street were burglarized on a sunday afternoon. I have dogs, an alarm system, and a wonderful arsenal (lol) to keep my family safe. Its a big city and you need to keep your wits about you here.

And I know exactly how you probably went from queen lane down to hahnemann...and thats not even close to as bad as it gets!

Well, this explains the whole premise of why the Fresh Prince moved to Bel Air now!

 

[megathunder]

Well, this explains the whole premise of why the Fresh Prince moved to Bel Air now!

👍

 

[SFO-IST]

OK EVERYONE, THIS THREAD IS NOW OFFICIALLY WORTHY OF THE DOUBLE FACEPALM.

 

[Bacchus]

go look on the NIH website and look at how much funding Jeff gets in comparison to other MD schools. Jeff isn't research oriented just because it gets more than PCOM. DO schools don't get much grant money. geez even a premed knows that.

good argument. you've managed to say nothing worthwhile besides Drexel being unsafe. thanks for ignoring everything that you can't argue and focusing on being a douche.

lololol premeds are always wrong. I guess I'll be infallible like you when I start in August lolololol

Re: Drexel. I was there over the summer, twice. The facilities don't appear as good as PCOM's. It doesn't have a clinic, that I saw, on campus. The school doesn't have the lecture technology that PCOM has (Tegrity). The anatomy lab is in the basement and there are no windows (boo).

 

[Rollo]

This is based on my opinion that Jeff has a much better reputation than PCOM outside of philly. I'm suprised you're even arguing this with me because I didn't think there would really be much of an argument. The only proof I could even think to offer is US news rankings esp the reputation rankings. I don't have access to the reputation rankings but FWIW, Jeff ranks decently in US news . PCOM doesnt rank at all. It doesn't matter but I was just so taken aback I had to say something.

Nice try but PCOM refused to participate in US News rankings so your argument doesn't really apply.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/items

(Look at the footnote)

 

[JaggerPlate]

lol nothing is being argued. it's just assumption after assumption.

I've made it clear multiple times now that I don't think the MCAT plays a role once you're a medical student... lol it didn't even have anything to do with my argument.

all I have been saying that the MCAT is a GENERAL (as in not absolute. not the sole basis for choosing a school. not something to brag about and hold over someones head) tool to measure the quality of a school.

I can't even say okay or anything because any point or pov is completely lost and moot due to the absurdity of this thread. Hence why I want to throw gas on it and walk away. Lol.

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

Actually, Jeff isn't research oriented at all.

it's kind of funny how you dismissed someone else point as anecdotal when almost everything you've said seems to be based off of your opinion.

When the guy starts referring to himself in the third person (multiple times), he has shown his true colors.

 

[jeffro1080]

I can't even say okay or anything because any point or pov is completely lost and moot due to the absurdity of this thread. Hence why I want to throw gas on it and walk away. Lol.

that's what happens when you argue on the internet. all the time is spent on arguing on misinterpretations and moot points.

 

[jeffro1080]

When the guy starts referring to himself in the third person (multiple times), he has shown his true colors.

 

[TallScrubs]

well considering Jeff interviews 30 people at time, I'd say it's a decent pool. I knew every single school that was brought up during the Jeff interview. I only knew half of the schools during the PCOM interview. take it however you want.

do you really think that I'm assuming Jeff is a better school because of noticing this? I think its more likely that you're grasping at straws. 🙄

I can hardly believe that you guys are arguing PCOM > Jeff...

lol so far it's been "you're just a pre-med. you don't know anything".... haha and when a resident comes in and agrees with pretty much all my opinions it's ignored.

Bad taste left in your mouth after PCOM waitlist? I kid, I kid. However, it seems to me like you're assuming high quality [education] = well known. You said you didn't know half of the schools during your PCOM interview. My school, for example, has been described by the Dean of Touro-NY as a "med student machine" to a group of students who attended large, well-known universities. My school, in recent years, has produced students who were accepted into schools such as PCOM, Jeff, Temple, Harvard, UMDNJ-NJMS, Columbia, Yale, etc. Just saying that obscure does NOT equal poor quality.

 

[jeffro1080]

Bad taste left in your mouth after PCOM waitlist? I kid, I kid. However, it seems to me like you're assuming high quality [education] = well known. You said you didn't know half of the schools during your PCOM interview. My school, for example, has been described by the Dean of Touro-NY as a "med student machine" to a group of students who attended large, well-known universities. My school, in recent years, has produced students who were accepted into schools such as PCOM, Jeff, Temple, Harvard, UMDNJ-NJMS, Columbia, Yale, etc. Just saying that obscure does NOT equal poor quality.

well what do you expect when you go into an interview and answer the question "why osteopathic medicine" with:
"although I'm interested in osteopathic medicine, I don't want to put too much emphasis on labels, rather focus on becoming a good physician"? so much for honesty... 😉

every school has smart and dumb people... no one is arguing otherwise. At my Jeff interview I was taken back by how many students came from Ivy-League / high profile schools. I was literally the only person out of 30 people that went to a rinky-dink college. Next in line was a student from Rutgers (but I consider Rutgers as a decent school). The only reason that I mentioned it was to site Jefferson's appeal to "better" students.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Was not aware of the pcom wait list. This thread just went from verbal diarrhea to completely pointless.

 

[jeffro1080]

Was not aware of the pcom wait list. This thread just went from verbal diarrhea to completely pointless.

you know I have a waitlist at both Jefferson and PCOM... what does it have to do with anything?

are you insinuating that I'm bitter towards PCOM for not accepting me? give me a break. that is beyond unfair.

with that logic I should be arguing Drexel > Jeff > PCOM lolol

 

[kcin]

Dear Sasuke,

Please stop fighting.

Love,
The Village of Konoha

 

[jeffro1080]

Dear Sasuke,

Please stop fighting.

Love,
The Village of Konoha

lol nice

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Didn't really follow much of the discussion going on here, but was just wondering how highly ranked jefferson is on the rankings. All I know of the school is that they require like 8 LOR's or something.

 

[willen101383]

Jeff,

This thread is nuts! haha I literally signed on here for the first time today because I had a case conference I was working on since 7 this am ugh.

But seriously I feel like we all just had a huge fight and are sitting around drinking after bloodied laughing about it (to use the jagger analogy).

So who cares. Jeff, Drexel, PCOM are all good schools in (arguably) the best place to be a med student in the country. You will get a good education at any of the schools here. Penn owns all of us anyway in terms of prestige/NIH funding/good profs etc. So lets just let it die.

So to sum it up:

MCATS are meaningless after matriculation
Jeff attracts candidates with higher stats for the most part
Jeff is a great school with great facilities and is well known
PCOM still has a fair share with 30+ MCAT scores in my limited experience.
PCOM could also up their standards and pick classes with 30+ averages considering there were 7000 applicants for my class of 275.
PCOM has equally good facilities save for the U hospital.
Jeff and PCOM have over 50% of the same rotation sites.
PCOM and Jeff students have a mutual respect for one another within the area.

That is all. Good luck at Drexel or Jeff or wherever you end up. Med school will beat your ass and then beat you more while you are down. 👍

 

[jeffro1080]

Jeff,

This thread is nuts! haha I literally signed on here for the first time today because I had a case conference I was working on since 7 this am ugh.

But seriously I feel like we all just had a huge fight and are sitting around drinking after bloodied laughing about it (to use the jagger analogy).

So who cares. Jeff, Drexel, PCOM are all good schools in (arguably) the best place to be a med student in the country. You will get a good education at any of the schools here. Penn owns all of us anyway in terms of prestige/NIH funding/good profs etc. So lets just let it die.

So to sum it up:

MCATS are meaningless after matriculation
Jeff attracts candidates with higher stats for the most part
Jeff is a great school with great facilities and is well known
PCOM still has a fair share with 30+ MCAT scores in my limited experience.
PCOM could also up their standards and pick classes with 30+ averages considering there were 7000 applicants for my class of 275.
PCOM has equally good facilities save for the U hospital.
Jeff and PCOM have over 50% of the same rotation sites.
PCOM and Jeff students have a mutual respect for one another within the area.

That is all. Good luck at Drexel or Jeff or wherever you end up. Med school will beat your ass and then beat you more while you are down. 👍

I agree. 🙂

 

[JaggerPlate]

Jeff,

This thread is nuts! haha I literally signed on here for the first time today because I had a case conference I was working on since 7 this am ugh.

But seriously I feel like we all just had a huge fight and are sitting around drinking after bloodied laughing about it (to use the jagger analogy).

So who cares. Jeff, Drexel, PCOM are all good schools in (arguably) the best place to be a med student in the country. You will get a good education at any of the schools here. Penn owns all of us anyway in terms of prestige/NIH funding/good profs etc. So lets just let it die.

So to sum it up:

MCATS are meaningless after matriculation
Jeff attracts candidates with higher stats for the most part
Jeff is a great school with great facilities and is well known
PCOM still has a fair share with 30+ MCAT scores in my limited experience.
PCOM could also up their standards and pick classes with 30+ averages considering there were 7000 applicants for my class of 275.
PCOM has equally good facilities save for the U hospital.
Jeff and PCOM have over 50% of the same rotation sites.
PCOM and Jeff students have a mutual respect for one another within the area.

That is all. Good luck at Drexel or Jeff or wherever you end up. Med school will beat your ass and then beat you more while you are down. 👍

👍👍