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cbrons said:
Thats what happens when med school admissions focus on admitting only the rat racers and SJWs. Total toxicity and mental illness.

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So you're saying that medical schools prefer to admit people whose stated goal it is to care for the types of patients who have the worst health outcomes? That's horrifying! How could they do such things?!
 
cbrons said:
Thats what happens when med school admissions focus on admitting only the rat racers and SJWs. Total toxicity and mental illness.

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But how else are they going to improve their admission stats, competitiveness, and rankings?
 
Levo said:
So you're saying that medical schools prefer to admit people whose stated goal it is to care for the types of patients who have the worst health outcomes? That's horrifying! How could they do such things?!
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nt bud. Go ahead and re-read your statement a few times. Pay particular attention to the bolded & underlined word you used.
 
Surprisingly, my class is pretty chill. A lot of students try to help each other out/share info/class notes/useful study tips/
 
cbrons said:
nt bud. Go ahead and re-read your statement a few times. Pay particular attention to the bolded & underlined word you used.
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I realize this is anecdotal, but from what I've seen in my med school class and the (now graduated) class above me, the people who are the most vocal SJWs are also consistently some of the most likely to volunteer their time for community causes and to apply to residency in fields with the greatest shortages.

Edit: In case you're wondering, I don't include myself in that group. I'm not involved with the activists in my class, nor do I plan on doing primary care. I do believe in giving credit to people when credit is due.
 
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Gorne said:
oh the irony of coming to a forum to whine and gossip about your classmates whining and gossiping
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Its healthier and more constructive doing it on the internet without naming names. No ones feelings get hurt and you get to blow off steam without creating drama inside your IRL social circles.

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ChrisMack390 said:
Shouldn't a doctor quite literally be a warrior for social justice?


I get that people have different motivations, but why are so many people ****ting on their classmates who care about vulnerable communities?
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The issue isn't so much the intention, but rather the behavior of a select few. There are a few people in my class who have their hearts in the right place but can't seem to educate their peers on social issues without either inadvertently or intentionally insulting them. Putting that kind of pressure on others to be more socially conscious can do more harm than good. For instance, it can be hard to open up to your peers when you're afraid they're going to make you feel terrible for having your biases.

We should all be advocates for social justice, but we need to demonstrate the same patience with one another that we hope to one day see from the rest of the population.
 
meurotic said:
We should all be advocates for social justice, but we need to demonstrate the same patience with one another that we hope to one day see from the rest of the population.
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"Social justice" so far as I can tell is a highly ambiguous term used by pseudointellectuals to justify certain things which are quite literally unjust (i.e. wealth redistribution, quotas based on skin color, class warfare, suppression of free speech and other components of the BoR, etc.) Like most political words created or hijacked by leftists (another one is "liberal"), it seems to mean the exact opposite of the original, long-established definition.

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A couple of my medical school mates happened to also be lifelong friends and best men in my weddings.

As for the rest, you shouldn't really concern yourself with the habits or doings of others. However, you should play nice in the sandbox. You never know who may be your boss someday or have the connection you need to get the position you want.
 
cbrons said:
"Social justice" so far as I can tell is a highly ambiguous term used by pseudointellectuals to justify certain things which are quite literally unjust (i.e. wealth redistribution, quotas based on skin color, class warfare, suppression of free speech and other components of the BoR, etc.) Like most political words created or hijacked by leftists (another one is "liberal"), it seems to mean the exact opposite of the original, long-established definition.

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The word justice in this instance is defined as equal access to fundamental rights. You don't believe in this basic principle?
 
ChrisMack390 said:
Shouldn't a doctor quite literally be a warrior for social justice?


I get that people have different motivations, but why are so many people ****ting on their classmates who care about vulnerable communities?
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No, they should be doctors.

And they don't care about vulnerable communities, they care about looking like they care about vulnerable communities... That's the problem.
 
SansaStarkMD said:
Equal access to others people money and schools based on your skin color is not a fundamental right, just to clarify.
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That is where we disagree. Every person should have access to decent healthcare--regardless of their skin color.

Listen, I want a comfortable life and well-off paycheck just bad as the next future/current doc, but working towards making everyone's lives just a bit easier shouldn't offend you. Especially as a healthcare provider.

There's no reason to start death gripping your wallet. Save the money talk for the policy makers who actually understand the system. There's a way accomplish universal healthcare without entirely screwing over the rich.
 
This whole thread made me sad...I thought the purpose of medical school admissions was to weed out a lot of the toxic behaviors being discussed and demonstrated in this thread. Makes me feel blessed to be at the school I'm at.
 
abbeyroad35 said:
My class is incredibly hypercompetitive, cliquey, backstabbing, and a bunch of users that are totally out for themselves. There's a lot of drama and fights that goes on between cliques where people are exclusive and derogatory towards classmates
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Welcome to life - this is called survival of the fittest. You don't have a pack you get eaten alive or thrown in some unwanted specialty IF you even get to finish and don't flunk.
 
meurotic said:
That is where we disagree. Every person should have access to decent healthcare--regardless of their skin color.
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I'm not saying you shouldn't have access to _____ regardless of skin color. I'm saying you shouldn't have access because of skin color. I agree. It shouldn't matter.
 
Spectre of Ockham said:
Welcome to life - this is called survival of the fittest. You don't have a pack you get eaten alive or thrown in some unwanted specialty IF you even get to finish and don't flunk.
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Non-trads, introverts, and married students everywhere disagree. Nice try though.

Everyone is going to experience medical school differently. If you're some middle-of-the-pack "low-drama" nice guy who plays by the rules, conforms to the ideology and is married/engaged, no problem.
 
meurotic said:
I agree, but when your school starts sending out an email like this every few days, a break to simply congratulate us on a semester well done without bringing politics into it would be appropriate and appreciated.
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Given the major metro area I'm assuming you live in, I'd be more surprised if the election results weren't seen as the pre-apocalypse.

ChrisMack390 said:
Shouldn't a doctor quite literally be a warrior for social justice?


I get that people have different motivations, but why are so many people ****ting on their classmates who care about vulnerable communities?
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I don't think anyone is insulting their classmates for caring about vulnerable communities. What people do get pissed about is when someone tries to force their own views on others then tells them they're a horrible person if those views aren't reciprocated.
 
Stagg737 said:
Given the major metro area I'm assuming you live in, I'd be more surprised if the election results weren't seen as the pre-apocalypse.
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You're spot on. I was at a formal class party the night of the election (coincidence). When the results came out, actual tears were falling. Pre-apocalyptic is great way of putting it. A bit too dramatic of a response by my class for my taste.
 
cbrons said:
"Fundamental rights" being defined as various goodies and wealth transfers (aka things that arent actually rights).

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I'm sure people felt the same about Social Security during its conception. It is now the safety net for millions of Americans. Some investments are worth being made.
 
abbeyroad35 said:
My class is incredibly hypercompetitive, cliquey, backstabbing, and a bunch of users that are totally out for themselves. There's a lot of drama and fights that goes on between cliques where people are exclusive and derogatory towards classmates that are deemed "un-cool" and classmates make no attempt to support struggling students.

I'm just curious, does that stuff go on at your school too? I'm just wondering if this is typical med school behavior among classmates or are people more chill with each other at your school?
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I feel like this partly does happen at my school, mainly the exclusivity of people towards other classmates. I am among the excluded and I feel like people already have made up their minds about me (I had a non confrontational disagreement with a classmate who seems like the type to gossip and tell stories to target other classmates)...as a result, I have no friends. Ive also highly struggled most of my life making friends, so maybe much of this is in my head (with the exception of the one girl)?

But I feel like behaviors like this never truly go away, we turn to what we feel is normal and tend to stick to the friend groups/inner circles we're already in and are very much satisfied with what we already have.
 
Theseus said:
Surprisingly, my class is pretty chill. A lot of students try to help each other out/share info/class notes/useful study tips/
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We also have a part of the class that is like that. I find that these people are not only intelligent, but they have good social skills.
Being able to control your temper, to not forgot your manners, to communicate efficiently, to be cool under pressure are all signs of a higher social intelligence, which certainly doesn't hurt as a future doctor.
 
meurotic said:
I'm sure people felt the same about Social Security during its conception. It is now the safety net for millions of Americans. Some investments are worth being made.
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I wish that there is a dislike button. How the hell is social security a good thing when it's used as a piggybank for politician pet projects?
 
68PGunner said:
I wish that there is a dislike button. How the hell is social security a good thing when it's used as a piggybank for politician pet projects?
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Good bad whatever, still not a right.
 
ChrisMack390 said:
Mostly because of all of the senior citizens that don't starve to death because of it.
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Which was fine when it was meant to support people for the last 4-5 years of their life, but it isn't feasible now that the life expectancy has increased by ten years and people are on it for 15-20 years.
 
ChrisMack390 said:
Mostly because of all of the senior citizens that don't starve to death because of it.
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People wouldn't starve to death if they learn to put 10% of their paycheck for a rainy day. However, it's becoming an issue when they're taking 10% of my paycheck and I am not guaranteed to get my fair share in the future. That is straight up bs and the reality 20-30 years down the road.
 
68PGunner said:
People wouldn't starve to death if they learn to put 10% of their paycheck for a rainy day. However, it's becoming an issue when they're taking 10% of my paycheck and I am not guaranteed to get my fair share in the future. That is straight up bs and the reality 20-30 years down the road.
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This is not really true, it is mostly just alarmist/propaganda. The government can't "run of out money", nor will they strip away the social safety net, especially for the elderly population (aka people who actually vote).
 
ChrisMack390 said:
This is not really true, it is mostly just alarmist/propaganda. The government can't "run of out money", nor will they strip away the social safety net, especially for the elderly population (aka people who actually vote).
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Actually it is true. Based on the 2015 annual report SS payout will only be ~75% of the expected payout in about 18 years. That means the current average payout of ~$1350 will be about $1000 a month. Although it is something, it is hard to fault people for being upset with a system that takes grossly more than it returns.
 
meurotic said:
I'm sure people felt the same about Social Security during its conception. It is now the safety net for millions of Americans. Some investments are worth being made.
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You think social security is a fundamental right?
 
meurotic said:
Read up on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Also, try to be less standoffish.
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Try not to tell me what to do. I'm just gonna get to the point. Whether you believe social security is great or terrible (lies in the middle for me), I'm not calling it a fundamental right. Because it's not. Is universal income a fundamental right as well?
 
68PGunner said:
I wish that there is a dislike button. How the hell is social security a good thing when it's used as a piggybank for politician pet projects?
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As flawed and antiquated as its implementation may be, countless Americans are alive and surviving solely as a result of its existence.

Stagg737 said:
Which was fine when it was meant to support people for the last 4-5 years of their life, but it isn't feasible now that the life expectancy has increased by ten years and people are on it for 15-20 years.
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Again, not perfect, but it seems you're far removed from anyone who has benefited from social security. What about the disabled?

Some of the arguments on this thread are borderline shameful. It is the job of a physician to have the betterment of mankind in mind. Forget the damn money. Advocate policy built on strong principles and the money will ultimately be made available to implement those policies. As physicians, we need to be advocates of policies that act as safety nets for every American so that the poor and underprivileged don't have to decide between going to the hospital without insurance/facing an insurmountable bill or foregoing care altogether and ultimately jeopardizing their well-being.
 
jw3600 said:
Try not to tell me what to do. I'm just gonna get to the point. Whether you believe social security is great or terrible (lies in the middle for me), I'm not calling it a fundamental right. Because it's not. Is universal income a fundamental right as well?
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Social security has been defined as a fundamental right by the UN for over half a century. Your opinion on this is subjective and a distractor to the argument at hand.
 
meurotic said:
As flawed and antiquated as its implementation may be, countless Americans are alive and surviving solely as a result of its existence.



Again, not perfect, but it seems you're far removed from anyone who has benefited from social security. What about the disabled?

Some of the arguments on this thread are borderline shameful. It is the job of a physician to have the betterment of mankind in mind. Forget the damn money. Advocate policy built on strong principles and the money will ultimately be made available to implement those policies. As physicians, we need to be advocates of policies that act as safety nets for every American so that the poor and underprivileged don't have to decide between going to the hospital without insurance/facing an insurmountable bill or foregoing care altogether and ultimately jeopardizing their well-being.
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Thank you!
 
meurotic said:
Again, not perfect, but it seems you're far removed from anyone who has benefited from social security. What about the disabled?

Some of the arguments on this thread are borderline shameful. It is the job of a physician to have the betterment of mankind in mind. Forget the damn money. Advocate policy built on strong principles and the money will ultimately be made available to implement those policies. As physicians, we need to be advocates of policies that act as safety nets for every American so that the poor and underprivileged don't have to decide between going to the hospital without insurance/facing an insurmountable bill or foregoing care altogether and ultimately jeopardizing their well-being.
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I have several family members who are or were on social security. Yes, it helps them survive, but I can also tell you that more than one of them have leeched off the system for years and clearly taken advantage of it. I'm not saying we shouldn't give aid to those in need, but many people grossly underestimate the people who take advantage of these systems and contribute absolutely nothing to society.
 
Stagg737 said:
I have several family members who are or were on social security. Yes, it helps them survive, but I can also tell you that more than one of them have leeched off the system for years and clearly taken advantage of it. I'm not saying we shouldn't give aid to those in need, but many people grossly underestimate the people who take advantage of these systems and contribute absolutely nothing to society.
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I apologize for the presumption. I do agree that the system is imperfect. My hope is that major technological advances over the next few decades will help plug some of these leaking holes.
 
Stagg737 said:
I have several family members who are or were on social security. Yes, it helps them survive, but I can also tell you that more than one of them have leeched off the system for years and clearly taken advantage of it. I'm not saying we shouldn't give aid to those in need, but many people grossly underestimate the people who take advantage of these systems and contribute absolutely nothing to society.
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Some of you have way more vitrol for these people than the people in wall street and high places taking advantage of the "system" and stealing MILLIONS, if not BILLIONS.
 
RooibosTea said:
Some of you have way more vitrol for these people than the people in wall street and high places taking advantage of the "system" and stealing MILLIONS, if not BILLIONS.
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I feel like Russell Crowe in American Gangster: "I'll take them too." Their corruption doesn't sit well with me either. But if we are trying to formulate a better system by eliminating all issues, not just pointing at one to deflect attention from another, we should look at each "problem" in its own light.
 
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meurotic said:
I apologize for the presumption. I do agree that the system is imperfect. My hope is that major technological advances over the next few decades will help plug some of these leaking holes.
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Good luck with that. Unless we're going to start doing regular check-ins on everyone or forcing those who are only partially disabled or faking it to contribute to society there's always going to be waste and people gaming the system. It's just not feasible, financially or in terms of man-power, to make sure everyone is contributing what they can.

RooibosTea said:
Some of you have way more vitrol for these people than the people in wall street and high places taking advantage of the "system" and stealing MILLIONS, if not BILLIONS.
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And some of you make the stupid assumption that those upset by the fraud many commit when gaming the system aren't also outraged by those stealing millions on wall street. Both are leeching off the hard work of others and neither deserve the money or aid they are receiving.
 
jw3600 said:
I feel like Russell Crowe in American Gangster: "I'll take them to." Their corruption doesn't sit well with me either. But if we are trying to formulate a better system by eliminating all issues, not just pointing at one to deflect attention from another, we should look at each "problem" in its own light.
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But that's exactly my point. People pay a disproportionate amount of time focusing on people "taking advantage of their social security" compared to the addressing the big dogs (including the CEOs of the hospitals we work for).
 
Stagg737 said:
Good luck with that. Unless we're going to start doing regular check-ins on everyone or forcing those who are only partially disabled or faking it to contribute to society there's always going to be waste and people gaming the system. The



And some of you make the stupid assumption that those upset by the fraud many commit when gaming the system aren't also outraged by those stealing millions on wall street. Both are leeching off the hard work of others and neither deserve the money or aid they are receiving.
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Its not a stupid assumption. Its fact.
 
Stagg737 said:
Good luck with that. Unless we're going to start doing regular check-ins on everyone or forcing those who are only partially disabled or faking it to contribute to society there's always going to be waste and people gaming the system. It's just not feasible, financially or in terms of man-power, to make sure everyone is contributing what the
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AI, baby. That's your answer.
 
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