Can't stand your classmates?

[jw3600]

But that's exactly my point. People pay a disproportionate amount of time focusing on people "taking advantage of their social security" compared to the addressing the big dogs (including the CEOs of the hospitals we work for).

I've been seeing you post constantly lately. And this is why people are having a hard time conversing with you. You make outrageous claims like: "people pay a disproportionate amount of time...etc." or that you invented the question mark. The former is just not a resonable assumption to make. You can't just speak for what all people "say" and in what volume they do so. The latter is homage to a fantastic movie.

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[Stagg737]

Its not a stupid assumption. Its fact.

Really? Care to back that up with actual evidence? Because it's pretty stupid to assume that anyone other than those stealing millions from wall street wouldn't be outraged by people stealing millions from wall street...

 

[Lannister]

Lol only on SDN could a thread about someone disliking their classmates end in an argument about Social Security.


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[68PGunner]

I'm not even mad at the small people on the street taking advantage of the problem. The waste from them is minuscule. However, I have a problem with corrupted politicians forcefully taking my money away from me and using the fund for corporate welfare to make fat billionaire cats wealthier, while disguising this theft as a necessity to help the people in our society with the most needs.

 

[cbrons]

I'm sure people felt the same about Social Security during its conception. It is now the safety net for millions of Americans. Some investments are worth being made.

It's not an investment, its a Ponzi scheme. But at any rate, we're talking about "rights" not what scam government boondoggle you think is worthwhile.

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[cbrons]

The government can't "run of out money"

If by money you mean currency, then as long as they have a printing press, you're right. They'll just destroy the everyone's (including the "vulnerable" populations) purchasing power in the process of using it.

Go ask the Venezuelans how that's working out in their socialist paradise. Formerly middle class individuals are now eating stray dogs and cats and fishing through garbage cans for food.

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[ChrisMack390]

If by money you mean currency, then as long as they have a printing press, you're right. They'll just destroy the everyone's (including the "vulnerable" populations) purchasing power in the process of using it.

Go ask the Venezuelans how that's working out in their socialist paradise. Formerly middle class individuals are now eating stray dogs and cats and fishing through garbage cans for food.

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It doesn't make sense to compare Venezuelas commodity linked economy to the United States economy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory

 

[W19]

#MAGA

 

[Slytheryn]

oh the irony of coming to a forum to whine and gossip about your classmates whining and gossiping

This is exactly what I was thinking about.

I am thinking sometimes that one of the biggest challenges the Medical field can offer is to not turn into the persons that we dislike.

 

[kindascared]

This is exactly what I was thinking about.

I am thinking sometimes that one of the biggest challenges the Medical field can offer is to not turn into the persons that we dislike.

deep.....too deep.
Hella deep. Deep as the Mariana Trench deep.

 

[Espressso]

I've heard of them. I think one of their members, Saudi Arabia, is the head of the council for human rights.

Yeah unfortunately Saudi's oil money is funding a lot of the UN objectives lately. Tough to place a hard line towards them when they fund a lot of the UN. That and them being such an important international ally. That doesn't help either.

 

[cbrons]

It doesn't make sense to compare Venezuelas commodity linked economy to the United States economy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory

Both have fiat currencies. It makes perfect sense. You can print all the money in the world, so in that sense the government can't "run out of money" except when the cost of the ink and paper its printed on become unaffordable (which is exactly what happened in Zimbabwe). Don't post links you don't understand.

 

[meurotic]

Both have fiat currencies. It makes perfect sense. You can print all the money in the world, so in that sense the government can't "run out of money" except when the cost of the ink and paper its printed on become unaffordable (which is exactly what happened in Zimbabwe). Don't post links you don't understand.

You really need to work on your argument style. As it stands, it is far too inflammatory.

 

[tantacles]

Please keep the thread on topic. The initial focus of this thread was deplorable behavior of classmates in medical school; let's steer back.

 

[grindtime1]

Honestly, though this is pretty harsh and disrespectful to most of the posters on this forum, and my family members are definitely the rare exception to this rule as they've passed down their beauty genes down to me, I'm usually depressed I chose to attend an M.D. school as the vast majority of the M.D. students at my school and it's safe to say those who post on these forums are quite physically unattractive and not very good-looking. As a great-looking person myself I don't feel enthused at all to wake up every day to see my classmates since they aren't particularly attractive like myself and my family members.

It's pretty cold but the truth is I would not want to look at most of the ppl who are regular members of this site. Due to the optional attendance policy I like to skip my classes as often as possible and only show up to labs.

 

[jw3600]

Honestly, though this is pretty harsh and disrespectful to most of the posters on this forum, and my family members are definitely the rare exception to this rule as they've passed down their beauty genes down to me, I'm usually depressed I chose to attend an M.D. school as the vast majority of the M.D. students at my school and it's safe to say those who post on these forums are quite physically unattractive and not very good-looking. As a great-looking person myself I don't feel enthused at all to wake up every day to see my classmates since they aren't particularly attractive like myself and my family members.

It's pretty cold but the truth is I would not want to look at most of the ppl who are regular members of this site. Due to the optional attendance policy I like to skip my classes as often as possible and only show up to labs.

...que?

 

[68PGunner]

Honestly, though this is pretty harsh and disrespectful to most of the posters on this forum, and my family members are definitely the rare exception to this rule as they've passed down their beauty genes down to me, I'm usually depressed I chose to attend an M.D. school as the vast majority of the M.D. students at my school and it's safe to say those who post on these forums are quite physically unattractive and not very good-looking. As a great-looking person myself I don't feel enthused at all to wake up every day to see my classmates since they aren't particularly attractive like myself and my family members.

It's pretty cold but the truth is I would not want to look at most of the ppl who are regular members of this site. Due to the optional attendance policy I like to skip my classes as often as possible and only show up to labs.

Put a paper bag over them then or watch your lecture at home.

 

[Espressso]

Please keep the thread on topic. The initial focus of this thread was deplorable behavior of classmates in medical school; let's steer back.

I gotchu.

So I feel like because med school is a long 4 year program and it's challenging and the workload is crazy, it's inevitable that most classes will develop into cliques and small groups. The way some of the posters in the first two pages have mentioned, the gossip, the backstabbing, the exclusion from certain cliques, etc etc, it really makes it sound like middle school.... Which kind of sketches me out. I think as long as you have a good group of friends/study buddies in your cohort, you should be good. But then again I haven't started yet.

 

[zyxab]

Honestly, though this is pretty harsh and disrespectful to most of the posters on this forum, and my family members are definitely the rare exception to this rule as they've passed down their beauty genes down to me, I'm usually depressed I chose to attend an M.D. school as the vast majority of the M.D. students at my school and it's safe to say those who post on these forums are quite physically unattractive and not very good-looking. As a great-looking person myself I don't feel enthused at all to wake up every day to see my classmates since they aren't particularly attractive like myself and my family members.

It's pretty cold but the truth is I would not want to look at most of the ppl who are regular members of this site. Due to the optional attendance policy I like to skip my classes as often as possible and only show up to labs.

You're not great looking, you just have a very high opinion of yourself. Couple that with a probable step 1 failure and you're in for a rude awakening.

 

[RooibosTea]

Honestly, though this is pretty harsh and disrespectful to most of the posters on this forum, and my family members are definitely the rare exception to this rule as they've passed down their beauty genes down to me, I'm usually depressed I chose to attend an M.D. school as the vast majority of the M.D. students at my school and it's safe to say those who post on these forums are quite physically unattractive and not very good-looking. As a great-looking person myself I don't feel enthused at all to wake up every day to see my classmates since they aren't particularly attractive like myself and my family members.

It's pretty cold but the truth is I would not want to look at most of the ppl who are regular members of this site. Due to the optional attendance policy I like to skip my classes as often as possible and only show up to labs.

LOL! I know this is just tongue in cheek.
Cant relate to you as my med scchool class is generally attractive.

 

[abbeyroad35]

Thanks for the replies. At least at my school its concerning because you would think people want to be doctors for the sake of helping other people as patients. How do you expect people to treat patients well with the behavior people have demonstrated at my school. All kinds of stories I could go into but won't about things people in my class have done, its honestly some of the worst people I've met in my life in terms of how selfish they are and how they treat other people. Granted I go to a DO school, but I wonder if more people do this at my school because so many people have a chip on their shoulder with the residency merger coming up and such, and that my school is very speciality focused rather than on primary care? Just some things I was thinking about. At least it seems to me that if you're at a more competitive school like an MD program maybe there's more of a "we can get through together" kind of mentality?

 

[RooibosTea]

Thanks for the replies. At least at my school its concerning because you would think people want to be doctors for the sake of helping other people as patients. How do you expect people to treat patients well with the behavior people have demonstrated at my school. All kinds of stories I could go into but won't about things people in my class have done, its honestly some of the worst people I've met in my life in terms of how selfish they are and how they treat other people. Granted I go to a DO school, but I wonder if more people do this at my school because so many people have a chip on their shoulder with the residency merger coming up and such, and that my school is very speciality focused rather than on primary care? Just some things I was thinking about. At least it seems to me that if you're at a more competitive school like an MD program maybe there's more of a "we can get through together" kind of mentality?

This may sound like a dumb question, but why would there be a chip on their shoulders due to the residency merger?

 

[cbrons]

Thanks for the replies. At least at my school its concerning because you would think people want to be doctors for the sake of helping other people as patients. How do you expect people to treat patients well with the behavior people have demonstrated at my school. All kinds of stories I could go into but won't about things people in my class have done, its honestly some of the worst people I've met in my life in terms of how selfish they are and how they treat other people. Granted I go to a DO school, but I wonder if more people do this at my school because so many people have a chip on their shoulder with the residency merger coming up and such, and that my school is very speciality focused rather than on primary care? Just some things I was thinking about. At least it seems to me that if you're at a more competitive school like an MD program maybe there's more of a "we can get through together" kind of mentality?

Going into medicine because you want to "help people" is an incredibly shallow and idiotic reason. It will only lead to massive disillusionment later on, just ask the SJWs about 1 month after they actually meet a real patient in one of those "vulnerable" groups.

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[RooibosTea]

Going into medicine because you want to "help people" is an incredibly shallow and idiotic reason. It will only lead to massive disillusionment later on, just ask the SJWs about 1 month after they actually meet a real patient in one of those "vulnerable" groups.

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Such as...? Which groups in particular are you speaking about?

 

[cbrons]

Such as...? Which groups in particular are you speaking about?

Do you read English? "Vulnerable" ones. I.e. the uninsured, public aid, etc.

The group that is heavily fictionalized by SJWs in a manner similar to the archetypal "downtrodden" in The Superior Virtue of the Oppressed.

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[ChemEngMD]

Going into medicine because you want to "help people" is an incredibly shallow and idiotic reason. It will only lead to massive disillusionment later on, just ask the SJWs about 1 month after they actually meet a real patient in one of those "vulnerable" groups.

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Do you read English? "Vulnerable" ones. I.e. the uninsured, public aid, etc.

The group that is heavily fictionalized by SJWs in a manner similar to the archetypal "downtrodden" in The Superior Virtue of the Oppressed.

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Speak for yourself, bro.

All the students I know who you would label "SJWs" were experienced or aware enough of people from "vulnerable" groups (by either being a part of that demographic themselves or spending a lot of time volunteering/working with them) that it was hardly a shock when those people weren't the ideal patients. If you and others who are so cynical about "ungrateful" patients from "vulnerable" populations could express even the slightest empathy and understanding of their plights and why people behave the way they do, you might stop seeing yourself as superior to them and the "SJWs." Yes, people from underserved populations can be very difficult to work with - but if you can break through the wall that divides them from the medical establishment, you'll find the vast majority of them are people with good intentions, albeit some psychiatric issues from time to time.

Understanding the history of why some populations don't trust big academic institutions or people from the medical establishment might help you put this in perspective as well.

First class we take at my institution is one on healthcare disparities. Sounds like you and a lot of people in this forum could learn a lot from such a course.

 

[RooibosTea]

Speak for yourself, bro.

All the students I know who you would label "SJWs" were experienced or aware enough of people from "vulnerable" groups (by either being a part of that demographic themselves or spending a lot of time volunteering/working with them) that it was hardly a shock when those people weren't the ideal patients. If you and others who are so cynical about "ungrateful" patients from "vulnerable" populations could express even the slightest empathy and understanding of their plights and why people behave the way they do, you might stop seeing yourself as superior to them and the "SJWs." Yes, people from underserved populations can be very difficult to work with - but if you can break through the wall that divides them from the medical establishment, you'll find the vast majority of them are people with good intentions, albeit some psychiatric issues from time to time.

Understanding the history of why some populations don't trust big academic institutions or people from the medical establishment might help you put this in perspective as well.

First class we take at my institution is one on healthcare disparities. Sounds like you and a lot of people in this forum could learn a lot from such a course.

THANK YOU!
Except they won't care about health disparities until it occurs in their neck of the woods. Like the heroin epidemic.

 

[abbeyroad35]

Speak for yourself, bro.

All the students I know who you would label "SJWs" were experienced or aware enough of people from "vulnerable" groups (by either being a part of that demographic themselves or spending a lot of time volunteering/working with them) that it was hardly a shock when those people weren't the ideal patients. If you and others who are so cynical about "ungrateful" patients from "vulnerable" populations could express even the slightest empathy and understanding of their plights and why people behave the way they do, you might stop seeing yourself as superior to them and the "SJWs." Yes, people from underserved populations can be very difficult to work with - but if you can break through the wall that divides them from the medical establishment, you'll find the vast majority of them are people with good intentions, albeit some psychiatric issues from time to time.

Understanding the history of why some populations don't trust big academic institutions or people from the medical establishment might help you put this in perspective as well.

First class we take at my institution is one on healthcare disparities. Sounds like you and a lot of people in this forum could learn a lot from such a course.

100% agree! Hit the nail on the head. Wouldn't surprise me if Cbrons is one of those guys that I was talking about in the first place at whatever med school he goes to

 

[W19]

I think cbron's posts are more attractive when they say 'I hate nurse practitioners' overtly instead of cleverly trying to say 'I hate minorities'...

 

[masaraksh]

Speak for yourself, bro.

All the students I know who you would label "SJWs" were experienced or aware enough of people from "vulnerable" groups (by either being a part of that demographic themselves or spending a lot of time volunteering/working with them) that it was hardly a shock when those people weren't the ideal patients. If you and others who are so cynical about "ungrateful" patients from "vulnerable" populations could express even the slightest empathy and understanding of their plights and why people behave the way they do, you might stop seeing yourself as superior to them and the "SJWs." Yes, people from underserved populations can be very difficult to work with - but if you can break through the wall that divides them from the medical establishment, you'll find the vast majority of them are people with good intentions, albeit some psychiatric issues from time to time.

Understanding the history of why some populations don't trust big academic institutions or people from the medical establishment might help you put this in perspective as well.

First class we take at my institution is one on healthcare disparities. Sounds like you and a lot of people in this forum could learn a lot from such a course.

Then again there's always gas and rads if you don't want to be breaking through any divides at work

 

[appalachian_man]

Do you read English? "Vulnerable" ones. I.e. the uninsured, public aid, etc.

The group that is heavily fictionalized by SJWs in a manner similar to the archetypal "downtrodden" in The Superior Virtue of the Oppressed.

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Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[751866]

Both have fiat currencies. It makes perfect sense. You can print all the money in the world, so in that sense the government can't "run out of money" except when the cost of the ink and paper its printed on become unaffordable (which is exactly what happened in Zimbabwe). Don't post links you don't understand.

It bewilders me how many people in medical school haven't the slightest clue about economics, finance, or accounting, even when they "minored in business"... consequently, these are the people who have no idea where money comes from and what really happens when "the government is paying" or when the government uses the fed to grow the money supply without anything tangible backing it up. You will get your money, but it'll be worth nothing.

 

[aalamruad]

Question for those who attend cliquey/hypercompetitive schools: how much more in tuition would you be willing to spend to have had attended a school with a collaborative/supportive/friendly environment? It's kind of the decision I have to make soon, so I'd love to hear your opinions now that you have hindsight.

 

[cbrons]

I think cbron's posts are more attractive when they say 'I hate nurse practitioners' overtly instead of cleverly trying to say 'I hate minorities'...

Well that's because you're an idiot. No where did I imply that I hate anyone, much less that I hate minorities. And since you're still very new here, I'll just let you know that I don't "cleverly" say anything, and am fairly plain in my meaning. If you lack the intellectual horsepower to keep up, that's your own fault.

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[aalamruad]

Well that's because you're an idiot. No where did I imply that I hate anyone, much less that I hate minorities. And since you're still very new here, I'll just let you know that I don't "cleverly" say anything, and am fairly plain in my meaning. If you lack the intellectual horsepower to keep up, that's your own fault.

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Can you guys please take your childish bickering to PMs? I'd actually like to hear a discussion about the topic of this thread

 

[sharkbyte]

Well that's because you're an idiot. No where did I imply that I hate anyone, much less that I hate minorities. And since you're still very new here, I'll just let you know that I don't "cleverly" say anything, and am fairly plain in my meaning. If you lack the intellectual horsepower to keep up, that's your own fault.

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Damn. I think now I know why the OP created this thread

 

[Willfrye027]

Question for those who attend cliquey/hypercompetitive schools: how much more in tuition would you be willing to spend to have had attended a school with a collaborative/supportive/friendly environment? It's kind of the decision I have to make soon, so I'd love to hear your opinions now that you have hindsight.

That's a tough question. Given the choice between a state school and a more expensive private school (a choice I did not have...fwiw), I would probably choose the cheaper state school even if I knew some aspects would suck.

The reality is that complaining/venting can be cathartic, in moderation. Ask a doctor/resident/med student/any person to tell you about something that frustrates them and I would venture to say that there will ALWAYS be something to complain about in life. I also feel much less complain-y about my med school now that were on break and the stress of finals is over..

 

[cbrons]

Speak for yourself, bro.

All the students I know who you would label "SJWs" were experienced or aware enough of people from "vulnerable" groups

Almost all the students I know who are hardcore SJWs are "upper-class" white people who've never worked a real job in their entire life. So there's my anecdote for you, bro.

Most SJWs will never do a single thing for the down-trodden groups because they are narcissistic dirtbags. They will, however, try to use said groups rhetorically to further their own sense of self-worth and perceived moral superiority.

 

[RooibosTea]

Don't use tumblr/twitter as an example of SJWs

 

[Lannister]

Question for those who attend cliquey/hypercompetitive schools: how much more in tuition would you be willing to spend to have had attended a school with a collaborative/supportive/friendly environment? It's kind of the decision I have to make soon, so I'd love to hear your opinions now that you have hindsight.

I feel like my school is pretty collaborative and I would gladly pay more in tuition for that, it's totally worth it in my opinion. You're probably going to have a lot of loans anyways, I think it's worth it to be a little more in debt if it means you'll be happier.


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[username456789]

Don't use tumblr/twitter as an example of SJWs

Tumblr and Twitter are often perfect examples of SJWs running wild.

 

[Lannister]

Can you guys please take your childish bickering to PMs? I'd actually like to hear a discussion about the topic of this thread

The best thing you can do is ignore them. Threads like these used to get me so angry, but then I realized it's just not worth getting so riled up over an online forum.


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[W19]

Well that's because you're an idiot. No where did I imply that I hate anyone, much less that I hate minorities. And since you're still very new here, I'll just let you know that I don't "cleverly" say anything, and am fairly plain in my meaning. If you lack the intellectual horsepower to keep up, that's your own fault.

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Ok mr. intellect

 

[mistafab]

Gotta say my classmates are pretty chill - it is the vibe I felt that made me want to go there in the first place.

 

[Darth Doc]

All kinds of stories I could go into but won't about things people in my class have done, its honestly some of the worst people I've met in my life in terms of how selfish they are and how they treat other people. Granted I go to a DO school, ... if you're at a more competitive school like an MD program maybe there's more of a "we can get through together" kind of mentality?

I've worked with DO students from 4 different schools. Only 2 of those students were horrible people. They were also the only representatives of their respective schools that I've had to do clinicals with. I hope I never see them again.

Students from my school and the other 2 DO schools that I've worked with were wonderful people. I suspect MD schools are like DO schools in that the type of people in theme varies and has less to do with how competitive or non-competitive they are. I don't go to Harvard or Stanford - and I thought their students would be rude and snobby to a public school MD student like myself - but they were wonderful people. Some programs attract/ acquire more toxic people, but that's not true of every program. I hope you end up with a group of great people in your residency, because it sounds like you've had to suffer so far.

 

[meurotic]

Going into medicine because you want to "help people" is an incredibly shallow and idiotic reason. It will only lead to massive disillusionment later on, just ask the SJWs about 1 month after they actually meet a real patient in one of those "vulnerable" groups.

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Shallow and idiotic? I personally want to see more doctors being produced that want to "help people."

I'm starting to see the irony behind your tagline of "love machine."

 

[Taddy Mason]

Question for those who attend cliquey/hypercompetitive schools: how much more in tuition would you be willing to spend to have had attended a school with a collaborative/supportive/friendly environment? It's kind of the decision I have to make soon, so I'd love to hear your opinions now that you have hindsight.

I would gladly pay almost double what I'm paying now. However, you won't know what your class is like until you get to know your classmates. The level and types of douchebaggery can vary a lot between classes at a given school - it's highly dependent on the personalities in the mix in question.

 

[zero0]

I'd wager that the tool to non-tool ratio in medical school is much higher than in the general population simply because that's what the system breeds and selects for. Something about the stress makes people regress to a middle school mentality. They just have no chill. That said, remember why you're there.

I'd like to retract and expand on this statement.

The more I think about it, the more I think most people are actually just like this and that the only thing special about medical school is that it introduces this egotistical I'm going to be part of the 1% la-de-da attitude that brings out the worst attributes lying dormant in most people.

Thank you for your time.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Don't use tumblr/twitter as an example of SJWs

This is where the "no true scottsman" fallacy is going to be played.

SJWs are the worst people on earth. 99% of them are privileged college children.

 

[ChemEngMD]

The vibe I get from a lot of you who have such hatred for "SJWs" is that you feel as though these individuals are using their particular causes as a means of either proving their intellect/moral superiority or getting bonus points for things like med school admissions or residency matching.

It seems that a lot of you see the world in a hyper competitive, black and white sort of way. You act as though there is no possible way that the people who discuss and are passionate about these topics and these populations could possibly ACTUALLY care about them. You act as though they are using it as a leg up on you and you are bitter about it because it's the type of stuff that liberal admissions counselors and program directors want to see.

Now stop for a second and try NOT to see the world through your gunner eyes. Use that EQ you feigned back during med school interviews.

People are genuinely passionate about social justice issues. Many of them are actually doing things about these issues, even if they aren't flaunting it for you to see. Most don't have ulterior motives. They genuinely care about these issues and try to live them every day. That's why they bring them up in "every conversation." Because social injustices continue. It's not to make you feel dumb, morally inferior, or bad for being from a majority culture. The purpose is to try and spread the word on these issues so that you can no longer live in your bubble and pretend they don't exist. If I bring up the lens of viewing a particular issue from my cultural view point, it is to try and stretch your mind and think about things differently. This is how you become a better thinker and a better physician. This is why medical schools and residency programs want diverse populations. If you are able to simply create your own self serving bubble and then live in it, when you go to talk to that patient who comes from a "vulnerable" population you won't understand their perspective. That's why people bring these issues up, so you can understand your patients better.

If a patient is acting mistrusting of the medical establishment and isn't willing to sign the consent on a particular procedure, instead of looking at them as ungrateful, uneducated, or misinformed, you can learn to understand the context of that opinion. For instance the Tuskegee Syphilis Study or Contraceptive Trials in Puerto Rico that left many women sterile or forced sterilization of poor white and black folks in the South for generations that was done with doctors' orders. Yes, these things are history but our history continues to influence our present.

And as far as privileged college kids go: talk is cheap, but anybody who is willing to exercise their privilege to bring up and fight for perspectives and issues from those who don't have the same agency and voice, deserves to, at minimal, be respected. There are far too many people who are willing to sit quietly with their privilege and ride that thing out until their dying day. The people who are willing to put that privilege to use (actively, I'm not talking about people tweeting or just posting links on Facebook) to try and amplify the voice of others have my respect.