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What are the career and job prospects for an international student in USA after completion of MPH?

Please advice...
thanks.

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What are the career and job prospects for an international student in USA after completion of MPH?

Please advice...
thanks.

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I would be thankful if anyone would make it clear about the approximate salary of a MPH graduate with major of Epidemiology. I would like to make it specific by mentioning that the said candidate is average in his/her skills.😕
 
The answer depends on your interest/specialty. You can work for non-profit and/or private companies, academic institutions, and even local departments of health that do not have citizenship/permanent residency restrictions. There are many job prospects, you just have to search. In terms of career prospects, as I stated before, this is dependent on your interest/specialty - if you're interested in public health research and/or practice and/or field work.

What are the career and job prospects for an international student in USA after completion of MPH?

Please advice...
thanks.
 
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What do you mean by "average in his/her skills.😕"????? Why and how did you come to this conclusion?

Then maybe I can better answer your question...



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I would be thankful if anyone would make it clear about the approximate salary of a MPH graduate with major of Epidemiology. I would like to make it specific by mentioning that the said candidate is average in his/her skills.😕
 
By itself with no professional training (RN, JD, MD/DO, DMD/DDS, etc), the MPH doesn't open a lot of doors. It gives you a boost on low paying jobs that would otherwise accept someone with a bachelors, but don't think it's a ticket to pick your dream job.

Job security: if you read the news at all you'll know that nationally and locally (ie city gov't) are facing huge cutbacks, and unfortunately public health is often the first to go. For example, if the federal gov't can't come up with a budget within the next day or so, the CDC will tell its staff involved with disease monitoring to stay home on unpaid leave until funding can be reestablished. It's ridiculous, but facts are facts.

I would implore you to do your own research on employment opportunities. SDN is a great place to get advice on academia ("which school is best?" or "what are my chances?"), but few here have much work experience in public health.
 
I dont agree with iloveDrStill. In my experience, although having another degree is helpful, its not necessary. No one should go into public health thinking you'll be rich, but having an MPH with an MD or JD, etc. does not close all sorts of doors. Its hard to tell you where to look for work, as I dont know your interests in epi., but the opportunities are out there. Luckily for a lot of us, we will be in school long enough for the government to (hopefully) sort itself out. Public health is a fast rising field, and its in need of new people regularly (especially epi).

I think the key to public health is having the ingenuity to make of it what you want and need. It takes hard work and sometimes guts, but its not impossible or improbable to succeed without an accompanying advanced degree.
 
I keep seeing comments like this: something along the lines of, "There are many job prospects", followed up with "Its hard to tell you where to look for work." So there's a ton of jobs, but just no place to find them?

I agree with you Gose that the MPH (like anything else in life) is what you make of it, but still, I think it's not a very helpful from a practical standpoint. Again, not a lot of employment opportunities with just the MPH.

Back in the day, usajobs.gov was a great place to find positions, but again things have changed a lot. You won't find many, if any, permanent positions looking for MPH graduates. At least, not without a professional degree.

I enjoyed earning my MPH and it complemented my nurse training quite well. If you have other professional interests and intend to do more schooling, it can be a very useful degree. But by itself, and *especially* if a person is just out of undergrad with no experience, it does little for your job prospects.
 
I keep seeing comments like this: something along the lines of, "There are many job prospects", followed up with "Its hard to tell you where to look for work." So there's a ton of jobs, but just no place to find them?

I agree with you Gose that the MPH (like anything else in life) is what you make of it, but still, I think it's not a very helpful from a practical standpoint. Again, not a lot of employment opportunities with just the MPH.

Back in the day, usajobs.gov was a great place to find positions, but again things have changed a lot. You won't find many, if any, permanent positions looking for MPH graduates. At least, not without a professional degree.

I enjoyed earning my MPH and it complemented my nurse training quite well. If you have other professional interests and intend to do more schooling, it can be a very useful degree. But by itself, and *especially* if a person is just out of undergrad with no experience, it does little for your job prospects.

What was your MPH in?
 
I love using statistics to look at difficult questions such as this, (maybe it is why I want to do Epi!), and it "looks" like there has been a massive increase in public health degrees over the last decade:

1999. . . 15,839 students enrolled in a school of public health.
2009. . . 25,241 students enrolled in a school of public health.

This is noted to be a 59% increase. This is a big number, and if enrollments had increased more slowly, then it would be easier to get jobs.

But where will these jobs come from? I'm not sure from the job growth angle, BUT should Congress slash certain budgets then I could see people with just an MPH having to go into something unrelated to their training.

Personally, I think that some expensive public health schools have ramped up their enrollment numbers to make some money, without looking at how this affects the quality of the education.

I think your best bet is to go to a school with a low tuition, (or great merit awards) AND especially with a good reputation, then you will have a better shot of getting a job. Some public health schools mainly give degrees to working professionals: there is a reason for this as many people don't use the MPH as a terminal degree.
 
I keep seeing comments like this: something along the lines of, "There are many job prospects", followed up with "Its hard to tell you where to look for work." So there's a ton of jobs, but just no place to find them?

I should have said, they are job prospects, but Im too lazy to start typing them all out. Im not going to go through and post jobs for other people. It takes work to find your job. They are out there. You have to use your connections. You have to understand the market. Obviously, with a potential government standstill things a bit scary right now. However, for those of us transitioning from the job market back to academia, its less worrying than those who are coming out of school now. The poster wanted to know what the job market was like. Healthcare is one of the fastest growing industries in our country. Not only is the government recognizing the increased need for public health positions, but businesses are as well. More and more you see corporations implementing public health initiatives and social marketing pushes. Who do they hire to spearhead these types of things? People with an MPH.

Health communications is another huge industry. A generalist MPH can slide into a PR firm now. In fact, San Diego is one of the major hubs for this type of marketing. Denver is another major place for public health right now. There are multiple businesses hiring. When I say you have to look, I mean, Im not going to look for you.
 
What are the career and job prospects for an international student in USA after completion of MPH?

Please advice...
thanks.

This question is impossible to answer (also for domestic students) without knowing more specifically what kind of work you want to do, and where you want to work (both geographically and for which company/organization/institution/branch of government). Same goes for the salary question.

Overall it's fair to say that the MPH degree by itself does not appreciably improve your job prospects in any field other than public health (which I will define as a job which specifically lists at least somewhere "MPH or public health" under the qualifications). But at a good school, you would have to actively avoid opportunities in order to finish an MPH degree without also getting some valuable work/research/practicum/connections experience along the way...so the hypothetical "MPH by itself" should not exist unless you really have no clue or plan or goals at all.
 
I should have said, they are job prospects, but Im too lazy to start typing them all out. Im not going to go through and post jobs for other people.

I'm not suggesting you find the OP a job or post jobs. What I'm saying is, prove to us your claim that public health jobs are in high demand. If we were arguing about the shortage of nurses for example, I would post this document that shows that they're in high demand. That's just evidence.

Don't show us job posts, but rather numbers that demonstrate your view. Your comment that the healthcare industry is growing fast is absolutely true, if not a little distorted: mid-levelers (PAs, NPs, DNPs, AAs, etc) are the field that is fastest growing. Physicians are doing ok as well. When people speak of the 'healthcare industry', I don't think they're referring to MPH-only graduates with no professional training. I've never seen one in a hospital, except once for a drug rep.

The reason why I care at all about this conversation is because I have a lot of friends from my MPH program who are unhappy. I don't want prospective students to make the same mistakes they did. They went straight from undergrad, or spent a year in between doing some nonsense job. For the most part, they bounce around non-profits, getting laid off and rehired sometimes across the country for absolutely awful pay. This is just anecdotal of course, but just look at the numbers

Right now, there are 30,000 people training for an MPH degree. As someone else pointed out, it was about half that 10 years ago. If you go to http://www.indeed.com and look at MPH jobs, the vast majority of them want several years experience and a professional degree. It seems that universities have realized they can make a bunch of money by increasing class sizes while not having to worry about job placement.

I like the last poster's idea to go to a decent state school if you want just the MPH. But realistically, you should accept the strong possibility that more schooling may be required to make you employable. Sure, you could land a PR consulting job, but let's be honest, it's not likely.
 
I don't know if this applies to international students but apparently the US is expecting a shortage of biostatisticians and epidemiologists, so certain schools like Columbia offer grants for students who enroll for MPHs in that field. At Columbia, for example, you can apparently get anywhere from 10,000-20,000 from the US government in form of a grant if you plan to stay in the US and practice epidemiology or biostatistics here. If international students are eligible for it (U.S Public Health Traineeship), then those are definitely areas you should look into as it will be in high demand once you graduate.
 
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First,

"The Department of Labor and Statistics lists jobs in the public health sector as some of the fastest growing occupations, and occupations projected to have the largest numerical increases in employment between 2002 and 2012." BLS

Here is an example from epidemiology. A growth projection of 15 percent in this type of economy is much stronger than most people would expect. The BLS does not lump all of public health into one, so you have to search your own intended field. http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos310.htm#outlook


When people speak of the 'healthcare industry', I don't think they're referring to MPH-only graduates with no professional training. I've never seen one in a hospital, except once for a drug rep.

Second, Ive already worked in public health. I already have an MS. I know this isn't true. I understand in hospitals your perception may be different. However, outside of that, in research and program initiatives, MPH grads are considered part of the healthcare industry by most people (I don't know where the government places us). Also, for the record, the MPH is a professional degree. In academia, schools usually say the MPH is the professional degree for practical uses, while an MS is more geared towards research and continued schooling.

All I am saying to smartyus is if you want an MPH, the field is growing, and its scope is so wide it has something for everyone. Whether you go to state school or private school is your own choice. I find it degrading to hear other healthcare professionals marginalize the importance of the MPH by saying you need to have another degree to be more employable. Of course youre more employable with an MD/JD/PA/whatever. But, if medical school or law school isn't for you, there are still opportunities out there.
 
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I would like to know whether a MPH graduate (Epidemiology Major) is able to live in decent way with the pay that he is likely to get with his degree ? If he is not a kind of Geek how much he is likely to earn?
 
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What do you mean by "average in his/her skills.😕"????? Why and how did you come to this conclusion?

Then maybe I can better answer your question...


I mean the said candidate is not a kind of Geek.
 
I mean the said candidate is not a kind of Geek.

My apologies for being unable to contribute to this thread, but when I read this I can only envision how "ignorant" this poster is because he or she does not possess a skill set that makes him or her competent within the public health field and thus groups those who are competent as "geeks."
 
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I would like to know whether a MPH graduate (Epidemiology Major) is able to live in decent way with the pay that he is likely to get with his degree ? If he is not a kind of Geek how much he is likely to earn?

If you google a bit, you will find a website that has all the mean and median salaries spelled out for different public health jobs. I did a little summary of it on another thread: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=10594962&postcount=12

Since mean is average, you should probably assume that's what the average epidemiologist with average skills probably earns (since it's too complex to analyze all the factors).
 
My apologies for being unable to contribute to this thread, but when I read this I can only envision how "ignorant" this poster is because he or she does not possess a skill set that makes him or her competent within the public health field and thus groups those who are competent as "geeks."


I do agree with you..
making a point here that,
I have seen some seniors who have not been that outstanding in their skill set but still manage to grab a kind of job ( in the field of Public Health). I always wondered, how come these guys could even dare to take loans & enter into SPH. How will they repay it if were failed to achieve the desired level of expertise.
Thus wanted to know about the financial returns for such students.

Anyway I am happy for this frank reply. Thank you daZ3d !👍

Can a MPH student repay the loans with the salary he gets ? ( the said student is competent )
 
Here is an example from epidemiology. A growth projection of 15 percent in this type of economy is much stronger than most people would expect.

As the Bureau of Labor and Statistics explicitly state, those numbers include PhD and MDs in their calculations. That should also be obvious when you see that the top paying epidemiologist positions (ie a median income of $90k a year in pharmaceutical research) imply more training (see the pay breakdown here).

And look at the numbers you posted! They say by 2018 there will be 5,500 epidemiologist positions nationwide total (which again includes doctorate-level only positions). That's nothing to brag about!! Right now this country is conferring the MPH degree to 15,000 people a year (which is increasing), and about half of those people choose epi or biostats for their concentration. Again, if you look at the numbers, it's clear there is an oversupply issue.

I find it degrading to hear other healthcare professionals marginalize the importance of the MPH by saying you need to have another degree to be more employable.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm not degrading the degree at all. Like I said, I enjoyed my obtaining my degree and it was great to be a nurse with the MPH, and I use it now all the time now in medical school.

The fact that you yourself needed two masters degrees strengthens the view that the MPH by itself isn't enough. Do you not think your two masters degrees will help with employment?
 
What was your MPH in?

It was biostats/epi, I crammed in the extra coursework for both.

I also did the SAS advanced certification which was a big help, and yes, even the CPH exam, which was just a good conversation piece during job interviews.
 
Hi, iloveDrStill, you're either really negative and a real buzzkill for those considering a career solely in public health or you're a troll. I did a brief background check and assumed you weren't the latter.

As the Bureau of Labor and Statistics explicitly state, those numbers include PhD and MDs in their calculations. That should also be obvious when you see that the top paying epidemiologist positions (ie a median income of $90k a year in pharmaceutical research) imply more training (see the pay breakdown here).

I feel a little intimidated because you probably know much more about statistics than I do (graduated from MPH biostats program), but the 15% increase in jobs, I would assume, would be spread equally to jobs requiring a masters and a doctorate. I would also assume there would be a much higher quantity of entry-level jobs than high skilled jobs. The link that E24Goose implies so:

Most applied epidemiologists are required to have a master's degree from a school of public health. Some research epidemiologists may need a Ph.D. or medical degree, depending on the work they perform.

I have a huge gut feeling that most people graduating from a doctorate program won't be competing for the entry-level job and vice-versa. If this is not the case, than I stand corrected. Unless all the increased jobs need a doctorate program, a 15% increase in jobs is a good outlook.

I also would imagine pharmaceutical company workers get paid more not from experience but because of more money they're able to provide to employees. Privately owned companies (especially one emphasizing in pharmaceuticals) tend to have more money to give to employees than do government jobs (or at least that's what I tend to believe nowadays).

And look at the numbers you posted! They say by 2018 there will be 5,500 epidemiologist positions nationwide total (which again includes doctorate-level only positions). That's nothing to brag about!! Right now this country is conferring the MPH degree to 15,000 people a year (which is increasing), and about half of those people choose epi or biostats for their concentration. Again, if you look at the numbers, it's clear there is an oversupply issue.

okay, this is where I thought you were a troll. 15,000 is wrong. it's more 8,500 (8,406 to be exact) according to ASPH. Though it is 2009, I highly doubt it's gone to 15,000 by now. Also there are 1,421 graduates from Epi and 458 from biostats. That makes the percentage 22%, not half.

I would expect a person with a biostats/epidemiology degree to provide accurate numerical statements.

I personally am looking into MPH to become involved with health programs without the need to becoming a doctor. I also believe in the public health prevention model way over the clinical model so if I go to medical school I'd be working on a medical degree based on an idea that I don't completely agree with. If I become more interested in research I may go for a PhD in something, but that's when I become ready for school again. I would like to work with my MPH degree so instead of bashin on people like me, be more informative. For example how does one go around working for an SAS advanced certification or do the CPH exam during school? stuff like that. Thanks.

tl;dr get your facts straight and don't shatter my dreams bro
 
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So iloveDrStill, I just wanted your opinion, and maybe you touched on this already, but do you think it is also useless to have a PhD in the public health field, for example, in Epi or Biostats? Do you think the job prospects are just as bad for the PhD compared to the MPH?

Just wanted your take...

It was biostats/epi, I crammed in the extra coursework for both.

I also did the SAS advanced certification which was a big help, and yes, even the CPH exam, which was just a good conversation piece during job interviews.
 
Epivet, it depends on where you land a job, and what you consider "live in a decent way". I know someone who got an MPH straight from undergrad and in the first job worked $50,000-$60,000. I know others in a similar situation but whose salary range was $40,000-$50,000.

I am sure there can be lower ranges and higher ranges...It depends on where you work, your location and what field of public health...

I mean the said candidate is not a kind of Geek.
 
Epivet, it depends on where you land a job, and what you consider "live in a decent way". I know someone who got an MPH straight from undergrad and in the first job worked $50,000-$60,000. I know others in a similar situation but whose salary range was $40,000-$50,000.

I am sure there can be lower ranges and higher ranges...It depends on where you work, your location and what field of public health...


"live in a decent way" > I used this for the following reference> Does the Epidemiologist gets salary worth of his expertise? He is underpaid or paid sufficiently? or the situation is like he/she (Epidemiologist) works hard & fails to get what he/she deserves...🙂
 
Guys,
thanks for sharing your views....but still I'm apprehensive and not able to decide on taking up MPH.

Also could you'll please help in finding the links for financial aids or scholarships for international students....

thanks.
 
I'm sure there is obviously a great deal of variation from field to field (epid vs. health policy vs. global health, for example). I'm surprised to read the people questioning the utility of an MPH in this thread. I can only speak most directly to health policy/management because I have personal experience in this area, but I can tell you that I went to school at Emory (didn't do the MPH there but was there for another program) and I know at least 10 people from Rollins (Emory's public health school), mostly within the HPM department. And within 6 months of graduation, every single student from the HPM department--except maybe one or two--was employed. I'm not just talking about the students I know, but everyone within the HPM department. There are students on this forum who went to Visit Emory Day and also mentioned that they were given an entire list of the job placements of Emory alumni. A lot of Emory students work for the CDC both during and after graduation.

My wife went to Rollins and worked for the CDC while at Emory. Upon graduation, she had no trouble getting a very solid job with a large health system, and now she is interviewing (and getting many offers) with organizations in Washington, DC. She does not have a professional degree.

I'm sure that the information on Emory's employment numbers can be confirmed by asking the career services offices, or even perhaps looking on Emory's website.

Now, as I mentioned above, I can only speak to the success Emory students have had in getting jobs. I cannot speak on behalf of the graduates of other schools. I do not know how important reputation and prestige of the school is with an MPH, so it is very possible that not all schools have such high placement rates. Generally speaking, however, public health is a tremendously growing field. On the policy side, there is an abundance of opportunities dealing with health reform implementation and other major public health issues. Though there is some uncertainty as to what direction the health care system will take, there will always be the need for policymakers/analysts in health care.

And I hear that epidemiology is also a very solid field, but I know nothing about Global health, etc.
 
Hi Friends,

thanks a lot for your insights into the MPH's job prospect. The very extreme opinions seem to prove the diversity of MPH's jobs (salary-wide, job satisfaction-wide, etc. ). I knew very early that MPH is not meant for those who want to make a lot of money. To the extreme, some said I made a silly choice when switching from biosciences, which is more likely and easier to make money, to public health, which is tough to get a good-paid job and whose funding is the first to be cut under crisis.

I guess, as MPH's job prospect is soooo diverse, we must do our best ^^. Plan well, know what we love, and give it a shot

Btw, I want to continue this very useful thread by asking about job prospect in the UN (WHO, UNICEF, Worldbank) and consulting firms ? What kind of MPH concentration a consulting firm would consider? How competitive is it to get into the UN?

thanks thanks a lot !!!!
 
Hi Friends,

thanks a lot for your insights into the MPH's job prospect. The very extreme opinions seem to prove the diversity of MPH's jobs (salary-wide, job satisfaction-wide, etc. ). I knew very early that MPH is not meant for those who want to make a lot of money. To the extreme, some said I made a silly choice when switching from biosciences, which is more likely and easier to make money, to public health, which is tough to get a good-paid job and whose funding is the first to be cut under crisis.

I guess, as MPH's job prospect is soooo diverse, we must do our best ^^. Plan well, know what we love, and give it a shot

Btw, I want to continue this very useful thread by asking about job prospect in the UN (WHO, UNICEF, Worldbank) and consulting firms ? What kind of MPH concentration a consulting firm would consider? How competitive is it to get into the UN?

thanks thanks a lot !!!!

Hi everyone!!

I have also applied for the MPH at Queen's Uni Belfast,Ireland.

Shall I go for it?

I have got a background in dentistry.I am from India and this thing needs to be taken into consideration as I won't be able to get a post-study work visa after the completion of course as per new UKBA rules.

However,I consider Queen's Uni to be a good option!Correct me,if I am wrong!

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Thanks
 
Well, you can study there or study in a place where you at least have the option of doing work after your studies. Nevertheless, if that program is your top choice, I guess you can always try to get a job outside of that area, but I think that will be very challenging and hard to do, seeing that even people who study locally (meaning in the US) have a hard time securing a job after studies.

Also, there are many great programs apart from the one you have mentioned. Once again, I don't know the full background but just giving you my opinion.

Good luck and all the best 👍

Hi everyone!!

I have also applied for the MPH at Queen's Uni Belfast,Ireland.

Shall I go for it?

I have got a background in dentistry.I am from India and this thing needs to be taken into consideration as I won't be able to get a post-study work visa after the completion of course as per new UKBA rules.

However,I consider Queen's Uni to be a good option!Correct me,if I am wrong!

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Thanks
 
Hi, Does anyone have a sense of the job market in Houston for post-MPH in Biostats degrees? Thanks!
 
I just saw this graph on the career services site for Columbia's MPH programs: http://www.mailman.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/10_salary.png

It's the salaries that 2010 graduates made after graduation. Unfortunately they don't separate it by field or anything - it's just the graduating class as a whole. But even then, it's not so bad. It has a nice bell curve to it except for the 12% spike at the end, which I would GUESS has Health Admin/Policy graduates for the most part.

Just in case people wanted more info on this.
 
I'm not suggesting you find the OP a job or post jobs. What I'm saying is, prove to us your claim that public health jobs are in high demand. If we were arguing about the shortage of nurses for example, I would post this document that shows that they're in high demand. That's just evidence.

Don't show us job posts, but rather numbers that demonstrate your view. Your comment that the healthcare industry is growing fast is absolutely true, if not a little distorted: mid-levelers (PAs, NPs, DNPs, AAs, etc) are the field that is fastest growing. Physicians are doing ok as well. When people speak of the 'healthcare industry', I don't think they're referring to MPH-only graduates with no professional training. I've never seen one in a hospital, except once for a drug rep.

The reason why I care at all about this conversation is because I have a lot of friends from my MPH program who are unhappy. I don't want prospective students to make the same mistakes they did. They went straight from undergrad, or spent a year in between doing some nonsense job. For the most part, they bounce around non-profits, getting laid off and rehired sometimes across the country for absolutely awful pay. This is just anecdotal of course, but just look at the numbers

Right now, there are 30,000 people training for an MPH degree. As someone else pointed out, it was about half that 10 years ago. If you go to http://www.indeed.com and look at MPH jobs, the vast majority of them want several years experience and a professional degree. It seems that universities have realized they can make a bunch of money by increasing class sizes while not having to worry about job placement.

I like the last poster's idea to go to a decent state school if you want just the MPH. But realistically, you should accept the strong possibility that more schooling may be required to make you employable. Sure, you could land a PR consulting job, but let's be honest, it's not likely.


I did a search on indeed just to prove you wrong. I typed in MPH and the are I live in - Washington, DC. I found many jobs for someone with an MPH and no higher level degree than that (PhD, MD, etc). Most if not all do require additional experience, which I honestly think anyone seeing their MPH as a terminal degree should have. There were also some postings that stated a preference for a PhD, MD, etc, but you can try to make up for that with more experience.

I think if you have an MPH and aren't going for a higher degree, you have to be flexible in where you work. There are opportunities in non profits - I see postings for Research and Policy Analysts. And if you're looking to make a lot of money, you should pair the MPH with something else or look at another degree entirely. I am not going into my MPH program with dollar signs in my eyes. I have also been working in the field I want to stay in for 3 years and am 6 years removed from undergrad, so I have put a lot of thought into my reason for an MPH and what it will do for me.
 
. I am an international student with a first degree in medicine (M.B.ch.B) and I am coming in fall 2013 to study MPH with concentration in global community health and behavioral sciences. Please can anyone tell me about career prospects after graduation like where I can work afterwards. A lot of people are trying to discourage me,saying that my field is next to useless in the public health field. I want to hear from you please. Thanks.
 
I have completed my BDS from India.I am pursuing masters in public health in Epidemiology.
will my Bds degree increse the chances of getting jobs along with MPH ????:idea:

If anyone still active then can you tell me now? I am in the same dilemma?
 
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