I agree with DVN, doing something like peace corps will help your application much more than a PhD. And a PhD sometimes takes longer than 5 years to complete. That's 5+ years of making next to nothing, to get a degree that will not have as much weight as you think.
2. How about doing a double major? Let's say Ive got caught in biology class...
You cant just go and do the peace corps...its a 2-3 year commitment. If you sign up just to try and cover up your record it's going to be a tough 2 to 3 years and you are going to hate it. Peace corps are for the people who are truly interested and is willing to sacrifice their time. If you do not fit this bill, I suggest you do something else. You should not have cheated in the first place! It is going to suck because schools will assume you cheated your way to other classes as well...even I would if I caught you cheating.
Sorry to hear about that man. It's a tough break. I have no clue on specifics of how these records are held. But, I would think really competitive programs for graduate schools would look at it very seriously. But, getting a PhD is not that bad of an idea, also have you considered doing something like peacecorps or something else that will be interesting to talk about?
And just so you know, I have been out of undergrad 4 years now, the time flys by. Keep your head up.
Medical schools will still know you cheated even after five years unless you are also a liar. The AMCAS application asks if you have EVER been accused of academic misconduct. So even if you wait five years to apply you will still have to (hopefully honestly) answer that question. If you do lie, they may still catch you and then you're toast (if you aren't already). You probably already realize this, but you shouldn't have cheated in the first place. Ask yourself, do you regret cheating or regret being caught? Either way you have to face the consequences of your actions which may include not being able to get into medical school or graduate school.
Sorry to hear this dude.
I would personally strongly consider going to the caribbean (instead of wasting 5 years to ''cover-up'' or show "character"). if you want to specialize in something competitive, do a few years of extra reasearch in the field your interested in after you obtain your MD from the caribbean and then attempt to match.
This is true as well...but he did state that it only stays on his record for five years, so I guess he can lie and unless the school deliberately goes to the dean of his school to ask if he was caught cheating they might not really ever know, but again, he will have a monkey watching over his back for his entire time in medical school because he could get kicked out at any time...either way it is not a pretty situation
Personally, if it was serious enough to warrant a 5 year mark on your transcript, I think your pooch is screwed.
I know tons of people that have cheated/plagiarized on lab reports, quizzes, papers, etc. Usually, looking at someone's quiz for answers only gets you a zero on a quiz and a slap on the wrist if you repent with the professor.
Academic misconduct marks are for serious infractions like being the ringleader in a huge finals cheating scheme or stealing the final beforehand.
Talk to your professor/TA/whatever. I remember in Orgo II, I let my lab partner borrow my finished experiment write-up because he needed some raw data. He ended up copying my entire abstract and discussion and thought it would be ok since we were partners.
I talked to my TA and told him we misunderstood something somewhere along the lines (since aforementioned ****** partner was also my firend), and he understood. He ultimately took off 10 points giving me a 90 on the lab report, influencing my overall grade in the class by about 0.000000001%.
Whoa dude, consider yourself lucky, what you described above definitely constitutes academic dishonesty at most US schools. Your TA just cut you some slack. Even if your friend took full responsibility for the cheating, it would be at the discretion of the Dean to decide who gets what and how much punishment.
Have you ever had any institutional action brought by your college or university? The answer to that question remains with you forever -- unless you lie in response to that question.
Can you get admitted to a PhD program in engineering with that on your record? Do you want to be an academic engineer? If yes and yes, then go for it.
From where I sit, your goose is cooked with regard to getting into med school in this century.
Personally, if it was serious enough to warrant a 5 year mark on your transcript, I think your pooch is screwed.
I know tons of people that have cheated/plagiarized on lab reports, quizzes, papers, etc. Usually, looking at someone's quiz for answers only gets you a zero on a quiz and a slap on the wrist if you repent with the professor.
Academic misconduct marks are for serious infractions like being the ringleader in a huge finals cheating scheme or stealing the final beforehand.
Talk to your professor/TA/whatever. I remember in Orgo II, I let my lab partner borrow my finished experiment write-up because he needed some raw data. He ended up copying my entire abstract and discussion and thought it would be ok since we were partners.
I talked to my TA and told him we misunderstood something somewhere along the lines (since aforementioned ****** partner was also my friend), and he understood. He ultimately took off 10 points giving me a 90 on the lab report, influencing my overall grade in the class by about 0.000000001%.
Unfortunately, I guess you neglected to quell the fire before it reached the dean. See if you can resolve your problem at the top, maybe going back to the professor and showing him that you are genuinely sorry can add a little sway to the dean's decision.
If it is off your record, how can medical schools see that it happened?
How is this considered cheating? You and your partner obviously did the same experiment, meaning you will end up with similar data and you were just showing him/her the data that you both obtained (I have had to call my partner for missing data before). Now for him to completely copy your report down is considered cheating, but in no way should you be held responsible for his actions? I dont know, maybe I dont know the full story. I have had partners ask to see my data or myself ask to see their data to make sure I had the correct numbers written down, and if for some reason my idoit partner were to just copy my whole report, I would hope it does not make me a cheater as well.
eric lindros i think your right, they cannot find out unless they have a reason to dig, and if its not on your record they wont dig, you'll have to take your chances OP, wait 5 years and go for the lie
Err...this question is a lil off-topic.
I happen to go to a really strict school, and we're only allowed to have visitation on weekends, and lobby visitation is only permitted at certain hours. I have never been caught with a person of the opp. sex in my room, however, I have been disciplined for being in the lobby after-hours with someone of the opp. sex twice.
Honestly, I don't regret what I did... I think it's a stupid rule. I mean... its a lobby.
However, would that count as institutional action, and would I have to report that on my AMCAS?
Err...this question is a lil off-topic.
I happen to go to a really strict school, and we're only allowed to have visitation on weekends, and lobby visitation is only permitted at certain hours. I have never been caught with a person of the opp. sex in my room, however, I have been disciplined for being in the lobby after-hours with someone of the opp. sex twice.
Honestly, I don't regret what I did... I think it's a stupid rule. I mean... its a lobby.
However, would that count as institutional action, and would I have to report that on my AMCAS?
Err...this question is a lil off-topic.
I happen to go to a really strict school, and we're only allowed to have visitation on weekends, and lobby visitation is only permitted at certain hours. I have never been caught with a person of the opp. sex in my room, however, I have been disciplined for being in the lobby after-hours with someone of the opp. sex twice.
Honestly, I don't regret what I did... I think it's a stupid rule. I mean... its a lobby.
However, would that count as institutional action, and would I have to report that on my AMCAS?
Err...this question is a lil off-topic.
I happen to go to a really strict school, and we're only allowed to have visitation on weekends, and lobby visitation is only permitted at certain hours. I have never been caught with a person of the opp. sex in my room, however, I have been disciplined for being in the lobby after-hours with someone of the opp. sex twice.
Honestly, I don't regret what I did... I think it's a stupid rule. I mean... its a lobby.
However, would that count as institutional action, and would I have to report that on my AMCAS?
Pre-meds are not allowed to engage in any kind of activity that might be misinterpreted as sexual. That is time that could be spent with your textbooks.
no I dont think so...lol...what school do you go? That seems like a pretty absurd reason to not get accepted into a medical school. It doesnt really say much about your character or if you are a cheater or whatnot...It just states that you were with a girl/boy in the lobby, and although it wasnt allowed it's not something that is socially frowned on (just being with a girl/boy I mean)...there are worst things...believe me
First of all, I truly regret what I did.
I know that the chance of getting into med school for me will be almost zero.
However, I cannot just give up here. Therefore I came up with two choices for my future.
choice 1
1. The record will remain 5 years according to Dean. I'm thinking of not applying to medschool whithin 5 years. Before applying, I'm thikning of getting phD in my engineering course and then apply to med school.
here's my question for choice 1.
Does graduate school consider cheating as seriously as med school even if I show good works for rest of my undergrad?
choice 2.
2. How about doing a double major? Let's say Ive got caught in biology class.
If I Claim biology as my another major, get very good grades for rest of biology classes, do a lot of volunteerings(to show I truly regret), and explain I've learned a lesson, would these at least make chance of admission better?
both of choices I'm thinking of are not ideas like 'how about I do not report I've got caught'.
I need your opinions and help sincerly.
Thanks.
I dont know, maybe the school does random diggin on students......
Err...this question is a lil off-topic.
I happen to go to a really strict school, and we're only allowed to have visitation on weekends, and lobby visitation is only permitted at certain hours. I have never been caught with a person of the opp. sex in my room, however, I have been disciplined for being in the lobby after-hours with someone of the opp. sex twice.
Honestly, I don't regret what I did... I think it's a stupid rule. I mean... its a lobby.
However, would that count as institutional action, and would I have to report that on my AMCAS?
...And get an apartment, that policy is baloney.
one of these stupid threads again.... do you REALLY thing, that the OP regrets cheating? HELL NO. did he cheat in prior classes? DUH. is this his first time cheating? HELL NO.
if he DIDNT get caught cheating, he would have NOT regretted it. Only because he got caught cheating, is why he regrets it. if anyoen is too STUPID to see past the front, then i dunno what to say. if you guys honestly believe "i'm a changed man, etc, etc, i'm more mature now," the OP could have been more mature WHILE he was still cheating to STOP. not stop until you get caught. see, they way the OP see's it, is "its not cheating, until you get caught"
and please, FOR FUX SAKE DONT ACT LIKE VIRGIN MARY'S on this stupid board. YOU CAN ONLY FOOL YOURSELF.... what i mean is, "i hate cheaters, etc, etc, you should never cheat, its bad, this that " everyhone has cheated SOME HOW in their academic career, if you say no, ur lying to yourself only.
Brigham Young University ?
If so, it will still be technically off-limits, although MUCH less enforceable