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Limiting yourself to one region, let alone ONE program, can be a shot in the foot.

Considering your FMG status and lower end step score for even a US grad, you should be applying to 60-80 programs all over the US.

You need to stick to programs that are off the beaten path and are not places where everyone would not mind living..through a few others in as a reach. Many people would love to live in the DFW area...

I am also assuming your medical school history is relatively free of marks or issues and that you have done at least one or more US Emergency Medicine rotations and have great SLORs from those programs....

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Thanks for the quick responses. With regards to some of the questions, I have honored most of my pre-clinical classes and have good grades in general, but still have 2 years of medical school left. I'm planning on doing two or more electives in the states this coming summer, hopefully at programs I'd like to match at. I know my board score is quite low for something like EM, but I'm just trying to lay down my options and
consider my chances of matching. If, for instance, I was able to excel in the step 2 and achieve a 90+ mark, would that perhaps offset my low step 1 score and increase my chances?
 
maxpain said:
Thanks for the quick responses. With regards to some of the questions, I have honored most of my pre-clinical classes and have good grades in general, but still have 2 years of medical school left. I'm planning on doing two or more electives in the states this coming summer, hopefully at programs I'd like to match at. I know my board score is quite low for something like EM, but I'm just trying to lay down my options and
consider my chances of matching. If, for instance, I was able to excel in the step 2 and achieve a 90+ mark, would that perhaps offset my low step 1 score and increase my chances?
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You biggest problem is that you are an FMG...something you cannot really change. Even with 95%tile scores on both, you still have that red mark. (I am not saying FMGs are bad or anything.. dont want to open that can of worms... its just a fact that FMG or IMG status generally hurts an application)

All you can do is try to improve what you have to work with. Your Step score is not that bad... and a Step II score that is a std dev or higher would be a great booster. Doing rotation at places you have a shot at going is also a very wise choice. If you English speaking skills are good and you have no immigration issues, then you probably have a good shot at matching. Just apply broadly in the end and do what we talked about above.


Darn, no letters for me... I got a "lose a turn"...
 
In my personal opinion, I believe that you shouldn't worry if you will match but worry about what you can do to improve yourself every day. With that said, I would aim for a high score on Step 2. Also, display your talents at the instituiton of your choice. Many programs look down at FMGs. However, there are programs out there that have accepted FMGs. In my personal experience, I believe displaying your talents, showing you are a hard worker, and being a team player are much desired.
 
Thanks again for the feedback, much appreciated. Just FYI, I'm at an Irish medical school, which is actually considered one of the more favorable FMG schools in the US (I know this for a fact as many North American students from my school have matched successfully in some of the top programs). Having said that, however, I understand that the FMG status still hurts my application. I'll take up the good advice given on this thread ie. do well in electives, clinicals, and step 2, and apply to 40-50 EM programs nationwide. Hopefully, things work out for the best.
 
Be sure to rotate at at least one place that's IMG friendly. Where are you? UCD? RCSI? Are you Irish, American or other? If you have VISA issues then you might run into more resistance. Check out the EMRA website, they have a listing of who has taken FMGs currently and in the past 5 years. If a program hasn't taken an FMG in the last 5 years, well, then odds of taking you dwindle.
 
ditch doctor said:
Be sure to rotate at at least one place that's IMG friendly. Where are you? UCD? RCSI? Are you Irish, American or other? If you have VISA issues then you might run into more resistance. Check out the EMRA website, they have a listing of who has taken FMGs currently and in the past 5 years. If a program hasn't taken an FMG in the last 5 years, well, then odds of taking you dwindle.
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I'm a US citizen at RCSI, so visa issues are not a problem. I'll check out that EMRA website, thanks for your input.
 
I was (I suppose still am) a DO, and there are prejudices along with that as well. You just need to apply broadly. I think 80 programs is a bit high, I applied to 42, which cost over a thousand dollars...

But like it was said before, you CANNOT limit yourself to a geographic area as a discriminated against applicant. You really need to apply broadly. This only increases your chances. If you are deadset on the DFW area, you need to rotate there and show them you are an awesome candidate who htey all will want to work next to at 0300.

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DrQuinn said:
I was (I suppose still am) a DO, and there are prejudices along with that as well. You just need to apply broadly. I think 80 programs is a bit high, I applied to 42, which cost over a thousand dollars...

But like it was said before, you CANNOT limit yourself to a geographic area as a discriminated against applicant. You really need to apply broadly. This only increases your chances. If you are deadset on the DFW area, you need to rotate there and show them you are an awesome candidate who htey all will want to work next to at 0300.

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DrQuinn: I've got a question for you, since you seem to know a good deal about this stuff. Suppose I applied to 40-50 programs (as you suggested), will most of these programs filter/screen me out simply because of my board score, or do other factors ie. good electives, SLOR really make a difference? I know I've brought this up before but my score truly keeps bogging me down and I feel that this score, combined with the FMG status, seriously puts me at a disadvantage. Any comments about this?
 
As an American IMG, especially doing your clinicals within the US... You will more than likely NOT be able to match at UT Southwestern (or anywhere at UT for that matter).
Texas requires that if you do your rotations within the US, that you do residency, and practice "unsupervised" for 2-3 years before you can apply for a liscence. You can't do residency in TX. Im pretty sure that if you do the straight-up IMG thing (full medical degree + internship before returning to US), the same residency/experience rule applies.
 
howelljolly said:
As an American IMG, especially doing your clinicals within the US... You will more than likely NOT be able to match at UT Southwestern (or anywhere at UT for that matter).
Texas requires that if you do your rotations within the US, that you do residency, and practice "unsupervised" for 2-3 years before you can apply for a liscence. You can't do residency in TX. Im pretty sure that if you do the straight-up IMG thing (full medical degree + internship before returning to US), the same residency/experience rule applies.
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Hmm...that's interesting. I've never actually heard of anything like this before. Here in Ireland, we actually do our clinical years in our med schools here ie. we don't do our clinical rotations in the US like the carribean med students do. Having said that, however, I'm not really sure I understand what you're telling me. Are you saying that, regardless of how good your application is, that there is no way an FMG can match at any place in Texas after getting the medical degree simply because of a "licensure" procedure that is unique to that state? I'm baffled...
 
Pretty much Texas won't give you a license. You can't train without a license. Ask BKN for the specifics, but he has already started rejecting IMGs because they can't get licensed fast enough to work.
 
Dr.McNinja said:
Pretty much Texas won't give you a license. You can't train without a license. Ask BKN for the specifics, but he has already started rejecting IMGs because they can't get licensed fast enough to work.
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Damn. This sounds somewhat ridiculous. So, wait, are you telling me that there is no point for FMGs to even apply to Texas programs simply because they won't give us a medical license after residency? Are programs in Texas not accepting FMGs for residency because of this issue? What happened to all that talk about Texas A&M being FMG-friendly and what not, or have I been lied to? Sorry to be rude, but this is just truly pissing me off right now, never been told anything like this before...
 
maxpain said:
Damn. This sounds somewhat ridiculous. So, wait, are you telling me that there is no point for FMGs to even apply to Texas programs simply because they won't give us a medical license after residency? Are programs in Texas not accepting FMGs for residency because of this issue? What happened to all that talk about Texas A&M being FMG-friendly and what not, or have I been lied to? Sorry to be rude, but this is just truly pissing me off right now, never been told anything like this before...
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Yah mon. I know how frustrated you feel (Im a Carrib. student) Texas is NOT IMG friendly. What talk was there that A&M is IMG friendly? That roumor may be from the fact that they have a joint BS/MD program with a Carribbean school. Those graduates, however, have no advantage in landing a UT residency. Texas is somewhat reduculous.

Im assuming that you'll return to the US with an MBBS or MBCh or something, in which case, you'll be in better shape than me in any state besides Texas. For TX, however, were both screwed.

Theres no point in applying in TX. I think the "functional" reason is that you can not get licenced at the time stipulated in your resident contract (usually PGY-3), because you will not have filled the 3 years' Attending experience within the US. Therefore, they wont accept you at all.

What I know for certain, is that If I want to work in TX, I must do residency and work for 2-3 years unsupervised outside TX. Residency in TX is NOT an option. Additionally, I will have had to do "greenbook" rotations in MS-III and MS-IV.
 
TX is not FMG friendly BUT there is a way. I know 4 FMG's that matched in TX last year, 2 at UT Houston, so it can be done. They were all straight out of the Caribbean. There are a lot of misconceptions out there, I say apply where you want.

BTW I love Ireland, did some of my clinical rotations there. While I was there, 4 RCSI students matched in the US, 1 in Optho, 2 in Surg, 2 in IM.
 
Bigbaitbigfish said:
TX is not FMG friendly BUT there is a way. I know 4 FMG's that matched in TX last year, 2 at UT Houston, so it can be done. They were all straight out of the Caribbean. There are a lot of misconceptions out there, I say apply where you want.

BTW I love Ireland, did some of my clinical rotations there. While I was there, 4 RCSI students matched in the US, 1 in Optho, 2 in Surg, 2 in IM.
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Do you have any details about how they got around the red tape, and matched? We (my classmates) called up the TX licening board, and they told us that we cant do residency in TX. I figured thats straight from the horses mouth....
 
Bigbaitbigfish said:
TX is not FMG friendly BUT there is a way. I know 4 FMG's that matched in TX last year, 2 at UT Houston, so it can be done. They were all straight out of the Caribbean. There are a lot of misconceptions out there, I say apply where you want.

BTW I love Ireland, did some of my clinical rotations there. While I was there, 4 RCSI students matched in the US, 1 in Optho, 2 in Surg, 2 in IM.
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This is definitely good to hear....some optimism at last. Anyway, I always thought FMGs matched in Texas, it just didn't seem right otherwise. I'd appreciate it if you could elaborate on how/what route they took to match successfully. Do you have to be ECFMG certified before they call you in for interviews because I wanted to apply for the 2009 match ie. before I actually get my medical degree and therefore my ecfmg certification. Any suggestions?
 
maxpain said:
This is definitely good to hear....some optimism at last. Anyway, I always thought FMGs matched in Texas, it just didn't seem right otherwise. I'd appreciate it if you could elaborate on how/what route they took to match successfully. Do you have to be ECFMG certified before they call you in for interviews because I wanted to apply for the 2009 match ie. before I actually get my medical degree and therefore my ecfmg certification. Any suggestions?
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Sorry Max. Unfortunately there are new rules in Texas this year. Simply put, the Texas Med Board will not issue training permits until you are ECFMG certified. In order to be certified, you must provide your diploma, among other documentation. Between the time needed to become ECFMG certified as well as the time needed for the TMB to process your request, it is simply not possible for you to have the training certificate in time to begin residency.

Additionally, as described above, the TMB requires three years of practice prior to full licensing for FMGs. Administratively most residency programs require a full license by the third year of training. This can not be achieved by a newly graduated FMG in Texas. Sorry.

Not saying it is fair, but it is what they require. The programs could waive the full license thing, but you do need a training permit to be in residency. At the minimum an FMG accepted in Texas would have to negotiate a "late start" with a Texas program while that permit were to be issued. That additional hassle is likely to exclude newly graduated FMGs from Texas EM programs.

- H
 
GeneralVeers said:
I can second the fact that the TMB is bureaucratic and abusive. We even had U.S. medical grads who were not able to get their temporary permit by July 1st. That means 2-3 extra months of residency for them.

Texas just introduced fingerprinting starting October 1st, which means yet another way they can slow down/reject/lose your application.
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BKN is a program director at Texas EM program. He explains here: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=5666317#post5666317 how new rules by the Texas Medical Board have effectively closed the state to FMGs (for residency).

- H
 
maxpain said:
This is definitely good to hear....some optimism at last. Anyway, I always thought FMGs matched in Texas, it just didn't seem right otherwise. I'd appreciate it if you could elaborate on how/what route they took to match successfully. Do you have to be ECFMG certified before they call you in for interviews because I wanted to apply for the 2009 match ie. before I actually get my medical degree and therefore my ecfmg certification. Any suggestions?
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It appears that once again, I've stirred things up without meaning to. Do not take my policy as reflective of Texas or even as gospel for other programs at Tex Tech. As an aside, 6 of my 24 residents at present are IMGs. This is the highest number by far in our program history. They all are doing very good work.

Here is the history and the present status as I understand it. I've put the stuff that applies solely to IMGs in red, italic, bold. Much of it comes from the brief summary pages found here:
http://www.tmb.state.tx.us/professionals/physicians/physicians.php
1. Ancient history: When the Caribbean schools were first founded back in the '80s, a school was selling degrees to folks who had never attended. It turned out that about 50 of their "graduates" were in training in New York, plus some in other states. Because the Texas Medical Board had been suspicious, there were none in training in the state. The Board and legislature celebrated by making it even harder. This does not mean that IMGs aren't trained in Texas, only that Texas set two standards:
a. No permits unless the IMGs were licensable in the country where they trained.
b. No licensing of any physician unless they graduated from a school with equivalent training to Texas requirements.

2. Things are somewhat easier now but it seems to work like this:
a. You can train if:
The following are excerpts from Chapter 171 of the Board rules. We suggest that you fully review these rules to determine your eligibility for the permit and to review the documentation that will be required to complete the application for a permit, including documentation to explain responses to questions on the application. The Board reserves the right to request supplemental information or documentation from an applicant.​
  • To be eligible for a physician in training permit, an applicant must present satisfactory proof to the board that the applicant:
  • is at least 18 years of age
  • is of good professional character
  • is a graduate of a medical school or has completed a Fifth Pathway Program
  • has been accepted into an approved postgraduate training program or board approved postgraduate fellow ship training program; and
  • has been credentialed by the postgraduate training program to include verification by the program of:
    • the applicant’s identity; and
    • the applicant’s character and academic qualification including verification of medical school graduation
To be eligible for a physician in training permit, an applicant must not have: ​
  • a medical license, permit, or other authority to practice medicine that is currently restricted for cause, canceled for cause, suspended for cause, revoked or subject to another form of discipline in a state or territory of the United States, Canada, or a uniformed service of United States.
  • an investigation or proceeding pending for the restriction, cancellation, suspension, revocation, or other discipline of the medical license, permit or authority to practice medicine in a state or territory of the United States, a province of Canada, or a uniformed service of the United States
  • a prosecution pending in any state, federal or Canadian court for any offense that under the laws of this state is a felony, a misdemeanor that involves the practice of medicine, or a misdemeanor that involves a crime of moral turpitude.
2.You can be licensed if:
Premedical Education
You must have completed either 60 hours of pre-medical education or you must have completed the required pre-medical education of the country where your medical school is located. Medical Education
You must be a graduate of a U.S. or Canadian medical school or a graduate of an acceptable unapproved medical school. Fifth pathway applicants must have completed a Fifth Pathway program in lieu of graduation from medical school.
An acceptable unapproved medical school is defined as a school or college located outside the United States or Canada that:
(A) is substantially equivalent to a Texas medical school; and
(B) has not been disapproved by another state physician licensing agency unless the applicant can provide evidence that the disapproval was unfounded. ​
If your school is listed here, you will not have to prove that your school is substantially equivalent to a Texas medical school.
International Medical Graduates Additional Requirements
You must be:

  • [*]ECFMG certified
    [*]able to communicate in English
    [*]eligible to practice in the country where your medical school is located
    [*]have supplied all additional information that the board may require concerning your medical school
You are advised to review the list of schools whose graduates do not have to prove substantial equivalence of their education. If your school is not on this list you will be required to submit several additional items for review.
Licensure Examinations
You must have passed an examination acceptable to the board. The most common examinations are USMLE and COMLEX. Refer to Board Rule for a complete listing.
All steps of your licensure examination must have been passed within 3 attempts and all steps must be passed within 7 years. There are some exceptions. Refer to Board Rule 163.6 (c) for information on the exceptions to the time limit. Refer to this memo for information on the Board's emergency rule providing exceptions to a limited group of applicants for exam attempts.
Texas Medical Jurisprudence Examination
You must pass the Texas Medical Jurisprudence Examination with a score of 75 or better within three attempts (except for some Relicensure applicants). The examination is offered at Prometric testing sites throughout the United States. Once you have applied you will be sent a permission to test form. The form will contain instructions on how to enroll for the examination.
Fingerprints
Beginning October 1, 2007, physician licensure applicants, and many current applicants, will be required to submit their fingerprints for state and national criminal history background checks. Fingerprinting services will be provided by Integrated Biometric Technology (IBT). Results of the fingerprinting will be sent directly to TMB both from the Texas Department of Public Safety Criminal Records and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Postgraduate Training
You must have completed postgraduate training in the United States or Canada.

  • [*]US/Canadian Graduates: one year of graduate medical training in the United States or Canada as defined in Board Rule
    [*]International Graduates: a three-year program of graduate medical training in the United States or Canada as defined in Board Rule
Professional Character
You must be of good professional character. An applicant for licensure must not be in violation of, or committed any act described in the Medical Practice Act, Tex. Occ. Code Ann. §§164.051-.053.
Personal Appearance
All applicants are required to appear at the boards offices for a personal appearance and inspection of original documents. You will be contacted by a Licensure staff member when your application is complete, and you may then schedule your appearance. Appointments are usually available every weekday except Wednesday. Appointments are not scheduled during holidays or board meetings.
​
So, at this point the eligiblity for training permit has been severed from the licensure requirements. But my school has concluded that the best way to document medical school graduation is through the ECFMG certification. For that reason they ask that we not rank folks who aren't already certified. Reluctantly, I've agreed. This seems to mostly affect people who haven't passed their MLE CK and CS, and folks who are graduating from Crrribean schools after the ranking date.
 
BKN said:
{Lengthy well thought out informational post with quotes and everything snipped for brevity}
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Thanks BKN! Would you agree however that these rules to appear to make things difficult for FMGs in Texas (as compared to other states...)?

And again, I am NOT saying these rules are ethically right or fair, I am just trying to provide an informative discussion for those FMGs looking toward careers in EM.

- H
 
Boy, they need to update that list of schools. Some of that info is over 12 years old, for both American and non-American schools. Anyways, BKN is straight from the horses' mouth and go from that. Yes, ECFMG is new for this year, but I think the rest is the same? People that I know went to TX straight from school last year did not have ECFMG in hand until late spring/early summer, but went through the match process like everyone else and had no other hoops to jump through. They all did rotations at the hospitals they matched at, too. Again, LAST year they had no red tape, but go by what BKN posted for THIS year.
 
All this FMG/IMG is mainly greek to me, but I really wonder whats going to happen to the programs that tend to be majority FMG/IMG?

I know that where I came from, many of the IM and FP people were either from our school or FMG/IMG....will these places just go unfilled?

Glad it doesnt effect me and it sucks that there are really good FMG/IMGs out there who once again get screwed by our goverment...
 
Man, this is gonna take some time to sink in. If, for instance, I recieved my medical degree, became ecfmg certified, and then applied for the 2010 (rather than 2009) match, would there be any more obstacles/hurdles to pass before getting a residency in texas? I was thinking of perhaps doing an elective in EM at UT southwestern, try to get SLOR from the PD, and then try to match there after all that ecfmg certification etc. Would you say that's still worthwhile or is there something else to worry about after matching in texas?
 
maxpain said:
Man, this is gonna take some time to sink in. If, for instance, I recieved my medical degree, became ecfmg certified, and then applied for the 2010 (rather than 2009) match, would there be any more obstacles/hurdles to pass before getting a residency in texas? I was thinking of perhaps doing an elective in EM at UT southwestern, try to get SLOR from the PD, and then try to match there after all that ecfmg certification etc. Would you say that's still worthwhile or is there something else to worry about after matching in texas?
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No, I don't think there is additional stuff to worry about.

The training permit rules at this point are identical between FMGs and USMGs, it's the licensure rules that are different. Differentiate between my school's take on this and what the board's training permit rules actually say (ecfmg vs graduate of medical school). Some other Texas program (for instance Southwestern) might not do it the way we do it at all.

Also differentiate between TMB's training permjit rules and their licensure requirements ( which three years ago were almost identical).
 
Bigbaitbigfish said:
Boy, they need to update that list of schools. Some of that info is over 12 years old, for both American and non-American schools. Anyways, BKN is straight from the horses' mouth and go from that. Yes, ECFMG is new for this year, but I think the rest is the same? People that I know went to TX straight from school last year did not have ECFMG in hand until late spring/early summer, but went through the match process like everyone else and had no other hoops to jump through. They all did rotations at the hospitals they matched at, too. Again, LAST year they had no red tape, but go by what BKN posted for THIS year.
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See my last post. The Texas rules actually changed two years ago. the ECFMG requirement is my school's rather than the TMB's which requires "graduate of medical school".

Finally "the list" is updated (as I understand it) as graduates of a particular school demonstrate that it's curriculum is "similar to a Texas Medical School". I imagine what that really means is that the program is similar to LCME accreditation standards.

Anyway, refer to the Texas Medical Board website for details.
 
FoughtFyr said:
Thanks BKN! Would you agree however that these rules to appear to make things difficult for FMGs in Texas (as compared to other states...)?

- H
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Yes, I would. Clearly the licensure requirements, particularly the
one year PG training for USMGs and 3 years for IMGs and the school equivalency list have exactly that intent and are a quality filter.

At the same time, we train lots of IMGs in Texas. You just have to jump through the hoops.
 
BKN said:
Yes, I would. Clearly the licensure requirements, particularly the
one year PG training for USMGs and 3 years for IMGs and the school equivalency list have exactly that intent and are a quality filter.

At the same time, we train lots of IMGs in Texas. You just have to jump through the hoops.
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Thanks for the post BKN. One last thing, can you please explain this 1 year PG vs. 3 year PG for fmgs, I don't really get it. Does this mean after completing the normal 3-year EM residency, I'll have to do 3 years further training as opposed to 1 year before I get my licensce to practice?
 
maxpain said:
Thanks for the post BKN. One last thing, can you please explain this 1 year PG vs. 3 year PG for fmgs, I don't really get it. Does this mean after completing the normal 3-year EM residency, I'll have to do 3 years further training as opposed to 1 year before I get my licensce to practice?
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I can explain it to you. A US graduate can get a "full license" in Texas after completing a year of post-graduate training. This allows the resident to practice more autonomously and "opens up" some increased billing opportunities for the institution. FMGs cannot apply for that license in Texas until after completing three years of residency.

That may further dissuade some programs in Texas from ranking FMGs.

- H
 
It also means you can't moonlight until after your 3rd year...

I think there are only a handful of states where FMG's can get their license after 1 year.
 
Awesome, I'm going to Guam.

A little off topic, but I have heard there are ways to get around the 2-3 yrs training in some states for an FMG by going to one of the 1 year states and getting a license. Then SOME places will accept that in your 'home' state, like VA hospitals, rurals, etc. Is that true?
 
Bigbaitbigfish said:
Awesome, I'm going to Guam.

A little off topic, but I have heard there are ways to get around the 2-3 yrs training in some states for an FMG by going to one of the 1 year states and getting a license. Then SOME places will accept that in your 'home' state, like VA hospitals, rurals, etc. Is that true?
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I think it is true. I know someone who is trying to do that.. he's just started a residency in one place where he can get a license in one year, so that he has the option of transferring to TX if he wants.
 
Forget Texas.......there are hundreds of other schools and 51 other states that you can apply too....why are you fixated on Texas?? This state floods, has a long drought, and is on boarder close to Mexico....pick other states please....you will be fine!
 
Bring It On said:
Forget Texas.......there are hundreds of other schools and 51 other states that you can apply too....why are you fixated on Texas?? This state floods, has a long drought, and is on boarder close to Mexico....pick other states please....you will be fine!
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Well, its quite simple actually...I have family living in Texas and I also love the warm weather down there (which after living in Ireland for several years, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.)
 
Bring It On said:
Forget Texas.......there are hundreds of other schools and 51 other states that you can apply too....why are you fixated on Texas?? This state floods, has a long drought, and is on boarder close to Mexico....pick other states please....you will be fine!
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Que?
 
Bring It On said:
Forget Texas.......there are hundreds of other schools and 51 other states that you can apply too....why are you fixated on Texas?? This state floods, has a long drought, and is on boarder close to Mexico....pick other states please....you will be fine!
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Tell us some better places. I don't recall ever having flooding or drought problems in Dallas. It's a very long drive to Mexico.

Seriously, tell us a better location.

For the record, tornadoes are the only natural disaster you can hide from. I don't do earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, tsunamis, volcanoes, blizzards, etc.
 
RockfordWF said:
Tell us some better places. I don't recall ever having flooding or drought problems in Dallas. It's a very long drive to Mexico.

Seriously, tell us a better location.

For the record, tornadoes are the only natural disaster you can hide from. I don't do earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, tsunamis, volcanoes, blizzards, etc.
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in hartford, harriford, and hampshire...
 
I guess you have been studying too long and not paying any attention to the news about the Texas area weather......Dallas-FW area has been flooded most of this entire summer, they have cancelled thousands of flights....disaster area....I have had 3 flights cancelled due to the weather and seems like yesterday they were flooding again. Also, I'm a star bucks junkie myself.🙂
 
Bring It On said:
I guess you have been studying too long and not paying any attention to the news about the Texas area weather......Dallas-FW area has been flooded most of this entire summer, they have cancelled thousands of flights....disaster area....I have had 3 flights cancelled due to the weather and seems like yesterday they were flooding again. Also, I'm a star bucks junkie myself.🙂
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I've been in Dallas. The media exaggerates things greatly. The "flooding" in Dallas is laughable. They claimed it a disaster area so they get could money.
 
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