Chances with mediocre MCAT but low GPA (upward trend)?

Discussion in 'Caribbean' started by spacechanger, Apr 21, 2017 at 3:45 AM.

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  1. spacechanger


    Mar 23, 2017
    So I'm in the process of applying to Carib schools and wanted to know if I had any chance going in. I went to an elite/top tier undergrad school and frankly was immature and didn't study as hard as I should've. It landed me with a low sGPA (~2.6 with recent retakes/much---much lower without).

    I matured and became serious later on and did mediocre on my MCAT: 505 (70th percentile overall). I also retook a few classes at another 4-year institution after graduating and did well there. My interview with Ross was superb I'm currently awaiting a decision. I saw their average MCAT was a 496 (with AUC being near that average also).

    My recent grades in science courses are no lower than "B"s and I even have an "A" in an Ochem II lab class. Do I have a chance at direct admission to Ross (Jan term)? Do I even have a chance at admission or will I just get rejected? I'm anxiously waiting for a call.

    Also, Ross' old MCAT average was a 24 while their new MCAT average is a 496. Shouldn't the new MCAT be closer to a 498/499 vs. 496? Or are they adjusting for the difficulty of the new exam?
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  3. gyngyn

    gyngyn Professor Lifetime Donor Gold Donor SDN Moderator 5+ Year Member

    You're a shoo in.
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  4. aformerstudent


    Mar 7, 2017
    It's possible based on the MCAT. 2.6 GPA is kinda low but these schools look at the upward trend over the last 1.5 - 2 years. Worst case you get MERPED.

    The bigger question is are you ready? Take it from me dude, those schools will chew you up and spit you out. Be ready for it if you choose to go there.
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  5. Goro

    Goro Probationary Status 5+ Year Member

    As long as you're breathing and can write a tuition check, you're in.

    But don't attend unless you really like the idea of being deeply in debt and driving for Uber, or stocking shelves at Walmart.

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  6. PossibleDOC?


    Mar 30, 2016

    With a 505 and this elite undergrad education, why don't you just spend a year or two doing some DIY post bacc classes, increase the GPA and then apply. The standardized testing isn't the problem considering the MCAT tests science knowledge and test taking skills and since (judging from the 2.6) you clearly didn't have all of the science knowledge going in but you obviously rest well which is a good skill to have, it may be wise to try and bump that gpa up it would serve you better
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  7. ^=w6bF_


    Mar 18, 2017
    I don't know much about Carib schools. Is it really hard to get into an internship after you've graduated?
  8. Goro

    Goro Probationary Status 5+ Year Member

    Odd are no better than 25% from matriculation. 50/50 at best if you make it through the thresher. Their business model is dependent upon uniformed marks like you.

    The point here isn't that there are successful Carib grads. The point is how many additional obstacles to success you face by going to a Carib school.
    Do not be swayed by anecdotes, which is the best that Carib lotto winners can give you to justify thier now risky decisions. I'm giving data.

    Quoting the wise gyngyn:

    "The pool of US applicants from the Caribbean is viewed differently by Program Directors. The DDx for a Caribbean grad is pretty off-putting: bad judgment, bad advice, egotism, gullibility, overbearing parents, inability to delay gratification, IA's, legal problems, weak research skills, high risk behavior. This is not to say that all of them still have the quality that drew them into this situation. There is just no way to know which ones they are. Some PD's are in a position where they need to, or can afford to take risks too! So, some do get interviews.

    Bad grades and scores are the least of the deficits from a PD's standpoint. A strong academic showing in a Caribbean medical school does not erase this stigma. It fact it increases the perception that the reason for the choice was on the above-mentioned list!

    Just about everyone from a Caribbean school has one or more of these problems and PDs know it. That's why their grads are the last choice even with a high Step 1 score.

    There was a time when folks whose only flaw was being a late bloomer went Carib, but those days are gone. There are a number of spots at US schools with grade replacement for these candidates."

    It's likely you'll be in the bottom half or two thirds of the class that gets dismissed before Step 1. The business plan of a Carib school depends on the majority of the class not needing to be supported in clinical rotations. They literally can't place all 250+ of the starting class at clinical sites (educational malpractice, really. If this happened at a US school, they be shut down by LCME or COCA, and sued.

    The Carib (and other offshore) schools have very tenuous, very expensive, very controversial relationships with a very small number of US clinical sites. You may think you can just ask to do your clinical rotations at a site near home. Nope. You may think you don't have to worry about this stuff. Wrong.

    And let's say you get through med school in the Carib and get what you need out of the various clinical rotation scenarios. Then you are in the match gamble. I don't need to say a word about this - you can find everything you need to know at

    You really need to talk to people who made it through Carib into residency, and hear the story from them. How many people were in their class at the start, how many are in it now? How long did it take to get a residency, and how did they handle the gap year(s) and their student loans? How many residencies did they apply to, how many interviews did they get, and were any of the programs on their match list anything like what they wanted?

    A little light reading:

    Million $ Mistake

    Medical School at SGU

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