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dingyibvs said:
That's what I heard from other physicians, but you'd get some awesome rec letters if you do rotations at those places. In general, private practices like the two clinics won't give you much hands on experience as med students.
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:eyebrow: Well, first off I think it is unwise to generalize based on secondhand knowledge.

Yes, I am sure there are situations and particular departments (or even whole fields) that let medical students to less than others. This is true at any hospital. Not every rotation is going to have you doing chest compressions on patients that are coding a la 'ER'.

But to label whole institutions or a type of school as being more or less 'hands-on' is misguided at the very least.

Remember, medical school (and life in general) is more about what you make of it. Any decent medical school will afford their students lots of opportunities to have hands on experience.

In fact, I dare say at ANY US M.D. or D.O. medical school you will have more opportunities than you can entertain. The school doesn't make your experience hands-on: You do.

Also, someone may correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think residency directors are under any obligation to write good letters. Letters are not rubber-stamped and must be earned anywhere you go.

Furthermore, just like LORs for your medical school applications, I think what makes an recommendation letter awesome is the content much more than the figurehead or title of the writer.

That LOR content will be based completely on how you perform. In short, I think you could get a crappy or glowing letter just as easily at Mayo as you could at Mass Gen. Why? Not because of the letter writer - but because of you.

And I only pointed all this out because I think it does a disservice to people applying this upcoming cycle who read this thread to imply how an hospital is funded/organized necessarily determines your experiences on rotations.
 
talking **** to a whiner is like shooting fish in a barrel. i'd rather just put a muzzle on the guy
 
vc7777 said:
:eyebrow: Well, first off I think it is unwise to generalize based on secondhand knowledge.

Yes, I am sure there are situations and particular departments (or even whole fields) that let medical students to less than others. This is true at any hospital. Not every rotation is going to have you doing chest compressions on patients that are coding a la 'ER'.

But to label whole institutions or a type of school as being more or less 'hands-on' is misguided at the very least.

Remember, medical school (and life in general) is more about what you make of it. Any decent medical school will afford their students lots of opportunities to have hands on experience.

In fact, I dare say at ANY US M.D. or D.O. medical school you will have more opportunities than you can entertain. The school doesn't make your experience hands-on: You do.

Also, someone may correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think residency directors are under any obligation to write good letters. Letters are not rubber-stamped and must be earned anywhere you go.

Furthermore, just like LORs for your medical school applications, I think what makes an recommendation letter awesome is the content much more than the figurehead or title of the writer.

That LOR content will be based completely on how you perform. In short, I think you could get a crappy or glowing letter just as easily at Mayo as you could at Mass Gen. Why? Not because of the letter writer - but because of you.

And I only pointed all this out because I think it does a disservice to people applying this upcoming cycle who read this thread to imply how an hospital is funded/organized necessarily determines your experiences on rotations.
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are you a BS/MD student?
 
msb1190 said:
are you a BS/MD student?
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Like Dingy, I am a EE (although I never joined Eta Kappa Nu). No, Cleveland Clinic is a 5 year program with the opportunity to get a masters - free of charge - within the 5 years. I was accepted before Christmas, and will be starting in July. I follow this thread on occassion, because I am technically c/o 2015.

So it is a MS/MD program sort of a hybrid between a straight MD and MD/PhD program. I have been practicing engineering in biomedical electronics for about a dozen years, so I am a nontraditional student and interested in medical electronics research.
 
oh ok, i gotcha. so you haven't actually had any rotations, either.

you're both probably right.
 
vc7777 said:
:eyebrow: Well, first off I think it is unwise to generalize based on secondhand knowledge.

Yes, I am sure there are situations and particular departments (or even whole fields) that let medical students to less than others. This is true at any hospital. Not every rotation is going to have you doing chest compressions on patients that are coding a la 'ER'.

But to label whole institutions or a type of school as being more or less 'hands-on' is misguided at the very least.

Remember, medical school (and life in general) is more about what you make of it. Any decent medical school will afford their students lots of opportunities to have hands on experience.

In fact, I dare say at ANY US M.D. or D.O. medical school you will have more opportunities than you can entertain. The school doesn't make your experience hands-on: You do.

Also, someone may correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think residency directors are under any obligation to write good letters. Letters are not rubber-stamped and must be earned anywhere you go.

Furthermore, just like LORs for your medical school applications, I think what makes an recommendation letter awesome is the content much more than the figurehead or title of the writer.

That LOR content will be based completely on how you perform. In short, I think you could get a crappy or glowing letter just as easily at Mayo as you could at Mass Gen. Why? Not because of the letter writer - but because of you.

And I only pointed all this out because I think it does a disservice to people applying this upcoming cycle who read this thread to imply how an hospital is funded/organized necessarily determines your experiences on rotations.
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Well, let me clarify a bit. First of all, it's actually 3rd hand knowledge 😳, since it's from the physician parents of a friend of mine. Second of all, I didn't generalize, as they spoke specifically about Cleveland Clinic and then explained that generally all private practices are like that. I mean, really, no matter how hard you try, they're not gonna let you touch Lebron, or Obama :laugh: Besides, if you want to be a bit more hands on, there's always the excellent UH, Metro, and a very large VA hospital around. If it wasn't for the cost, Case would be my top choice by far, so I'm def not hating on it!

As for LOR's, of course it'll depend largely on you, what I meant was that the LOR writer's name carries a lot of weight and at CCF you can get LOR's from some pretty big names. Thus, you'd get some pretty awesome LORs.
 
geekchick, i hope there isnt like a freak blizzard or something that pushes your MCAT date back.
 
msb1190 said:
geekchick, i hope there isnt like a freak blizzard or something that pushes your MCAT date back.
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Did that happen to you during the winter? That blows! I doubt it'll happen in May, though. :laugh:

Chicklet's birthday party got pushed back a day thanks to the first blizzard we had this past winter. It was supposed to be on Saturday and I was calling everyone in a panic on Friday (the forecast just kept worse and worse all day long) going, "SUNDAY! COME ON SUNDAY!" I good chunk of our guests still couldn't make it then. 🙁
 
Geekchick921 said:
Did that happen to you during the winter? That blows! I doubt it'll happen in May, though. :laugh:

Chicklet's birthday party got pushed back a day thanks to the first blizzard we had this past winter. It was supposed to be on Saturday and I was calling everyone in a panic on Friday (the forecast just kept worse and worse all day long) going, "SUNDAY! COME ON SUNDAY!" I good chunk of our guests still couldn't make it then. 🙁
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haha nah, it didnt. thankfully. i was just being a meanie :meanie:.

some january MCATers got tricked like that though
 
Geekchick921 said:
Did that happen to you during the winter? That blows! I doubt it'll happen in May, though. :laugh:

Chicklet's birthday party got pushed back a day thanks to the first blizzard we had this past winter. It was supposed to be on Saturday and I was calling everyone in a panic on Friday (the forecast just kept worse and worse all day long) going, "SUNDAY! COME ON SUNDAY!" I good chunk of our guests still couldn't make it then. 🙁
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It's OK, I doubt chicklet minded 😀
 
dingyibvs said:
It's OK, I doubt chicklet minded 😀
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True story. But I wish more people could have marveled at our olive penguins, my cheese ball igloo, my polar punch, and the cute icing design I put on her smash cake. We did a Winter One-derland theme.
 
i just realized that since women have a better sense of smell they must have a better sense of taste too. i'm jealous.
 
Geekchick921 said:
True story. But I wish more people could have marveled at our olive penguins, my cheese ball igloo, my polar punch, and the cute icing design I put on her smash cake. We did a Winter One-derland theme.
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oh so the party was really about YOU then. the truth comes out.
 
just had a minor freakout. i'm so tired of schools piling on all the work at once. sadists.
 
mase always has the right words


but really. this is bull s hit. it's been happening for years now; they all derive pleasure from seeing us break down at the end of the year.
 
curbye said:
mase always has the right words


but really. this is bull s hit. it's been happening for years now; they all derive pleasure from seeing us break down at the end of the year.
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yet you're applying to med school, masochist.

Geekchick921 said:
True story. But I wish more people could have marveled at our olive penguins, my cheese ball igloo, my polar punch, and the cute icing design I put on her smash cake. We did a Winter One-derland theme.
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hah, sounded great, at least then you don't have to live with the guilt of not throwing your daughter the best 1st bday to your abilities 🙂
 
also, sorry if i've been sucking at spelling recently...i am not using my compy and so don't have firefox and so don't have auto spell check.
 
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Oh okay that thing, sure dont use chrome in that case
 
they've taken that out already tho, it was only used during the beta phase i think.
 
Oh word? Yeah now I am gonna use it because my data wont be stolen tehehe
 
I have a windows 7 pc and lord knows all I have are trojans and viri' unlike sophisticated macs whicht i heard dont even have viruses because steve jobs said no viruses
 
that south park episode on facebook and chatroulette was awesome :laugh:
 
youll find me at lands' end, somewhere in america. i am considering getting a job there so i can get a discount haha
 
curbye said:
you should go on chatroulette and MAYBE you'll find me and MAYBE you'll see
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hmm, so you'll show yourself on chatroulette to a 45 year old guy jacking off, but aren't willing to communicate with us off of sdn?
 
IV you take what i say too seriously 🙂 the closest i've gotten to CR is that video of the guy playing piano to people on it
 
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