Class of 2016....how ya doing?

[Minnerbelle]

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They have since admitted to doing that to break our OCD bubbles that demand everything is on a syllabus. Which admitting that actually made me feel better- and they succeeding in making us feel like we can handle whatever they throw at us.

What!? That would make me 😡😡😡. And not because I'm OCD and NEED to have things on a syllabus, but because I like to have a life outside of the vet school curriculum. Always needing to be on my toes about a stupid group project coming my way with a short deadline would not be very conducive to that. I'd either have to be flaky to my outside obligations or my group, neither of which is acceptable IMO.

 

[bunnity]

One question I noted in my notes is: wouldn't hemolysis that is evident in the plasma reduce the PCV? It wasn't noted as an outcome of it (just the TP and other tests that required light transmittance). I'd think if the cell's contents (minus the membrane I'd assume) were up in the plasma instead of with the red blood cells where they belonged, that would decrease the PCV.

Yes it would... it's called hemolytic anemia and I'm sure you guys will get into that soon.

And another confusing thing for me was we went over white blood cell morphology and it said that absolute numbers were more important than the relative percent of each type of leukocyte, so you take the percent and multiply it by the total WBC count. I was confused if you manually get the WBC count or if you get it off the machine? There was something about counting the number of WBCs in the 10X counting field and 20-50 was normal, do you use that to manually calculate the WBCs per liter or microliter? Small point and probably doesn't matter, but I was confused.

The machine normally gives you total leukocyte count, percentages, and the absolute count for each type of cell. If a particular machine only gives you the first two parameters, you would multiply the total by the percent to get the absolute counts. If you are using a lab the lab will look at the blood smear manually to make sure the machine is getting things right, or if you're doing the CBC in house it's a good idea to look at a blood smear... I honestly don't know anyone that sits and counts the WBC for every in house patient, but that's how you would calculate it if you wanted to double check or had reason to think the machine was mistaken.

 

[squirrelsrule]

Yes it would... it's called hemolytic anemia and I'm sure you guys will get into that soon.



The machine normally gives you total leukocyte count, percentages, and the absolute count for each type of cell. If a particular machine only gives you the first two parameters, you would multiply the total by the percent to get the absolute counts. If you are using a lab the lab will look at the blood smear manually to make sure the machine is getting things right, or if you're doing the CBC in house it's a good idea to look at a blood smear... I honestly don't know anyone that sits and counts the WBC for every in house patient, but that's how you would calculate it if you wanted to double check or had reason to think the machine was mistaken.

Thanks!

 

[Angelo84]

You may have a decreased PCV depends on how much hemolysis there is---if just a bit as artifact from the draw less likely if true intravascular hemolysis highly likely.

Machines don't tell you everything we look at diffs on most in house patient to confirm the machine and look for toxic change, bands, parasites etc.

Clin path is fun!

 

[squirrelsrule]

Is it too late to take back that Anatomy is my favorite subject? Today is anatomy study day and I have 34 muscles to learn with their functions and innervations and some of them origin and insertion. I'm cool with where 22 of them are, have decent spelling, but the last 12 are the intrinsics of the lower leg and are not fun! Plus I haven't learned the innervations of any. I wish there were a way to sort them easilly to memorize the innervations first. Oh well, my big gave me awesome flashcards 😀, better get studying them. Oh, and we have to know the bones but I think I have that almost down. I just really really hope she sticks with the left and doesn't trick us by using a right one because I'm not sure I'll have the brainpower left to flip it around in my mind.

 

[SnowyRox]

I just really really hope she sticks with the left and doesn't trick us by using a right one because I'm not sure I'll have the brainpower left to flip it around in my mind.

Haha, I was thinking the same thing when I was studying last night! I heard the average for the first exam last year was 60%😱. Using the right side would be tricky.

I am actually enjoying anatomy lab too. It's fun to dissect! Like some massive puzzle 😎. AND I met a second year who gets sick during histology lab too and she told me to take Dramamine BRILLIANT!

 

[Bearby]

Is it too late to take back that Anatomy is my favorite subject? Today is anatomy study day and I have 34 muscles to learn with their functions and innervations and some of them origin and insertion. I'm cool with where 22 of them are, have decent spelling, but the last 12 are the intrinsics of the lower leg and are not fun! Plus I haven't learned the innervations of any. I wish there were a way to sort them easilly to memorize the innervations first. Oh well, my big gave me awesome flashcards 😀, better get studying them. Oh, and we have to know the bones but I think I have that almost down. I just really really hope she sticks with the left and doesn't trick us by using a right one because I'm not sure I'll have the brainpower left to flip it around in my mind.

I was given a tip during 2nd semester last year that I wish someone had given me during dog anatomy. Study OIAN on an intact skeleton. It was super helpful for me because I could see where the muscles would lie which made the action super easy. Also, since a group of muscles that are next to each other are usually innervated by the same nerve I could make a logical guess. I don't know if it would work for you, but my mind was blown when I was remembering everything after studying it that way.

 

[sunnex3]

woke up an hour late, and was going to go to anatomy lab to study but the weather (rain rain rain rain) is not helping at all. 🙁

what a GREAT start to my morning. and there's nothing to eat in my house. FML.

 

[squirrelsrule]

I was given a tip during 2nd semester last year that I wish someone had given me during dog anatomy. Study OIAN on an intact skeleton. It was super helpful for me because I could see where the muscles would lie which made the action super easy. Also, since a group of muscles that are next to each other are usually innervated by the same nerve I could make a logical guess. I don't know if it would work for you, but my mind was blown when I was remembering everything after studying it that way.

Problem with that is we don't get bone boxes and the library has one but is closed, I was hoping to go yesterday but didn't decide to until 7 and they close at 8, closed Saturdays too 🙁. Plus how would you study the muscles on a skeleton? Just imagine them there 😕. The nerves is coming not too bad, but I am having a horrible time with the lower muscles of the leg. Like even with the pictures I'm like 😕 and trying to figure orientation using my live dog and still, I can't rotate things in my head. Once we find it on the dog in the lab, then I'm good with where it is, but until then it's really hard on the lower leg because it just all goes round and round and looks the same 🙁. Focusing on the innervations and functions of the extrinsics right now. Once I know where they are I have an easier time. Some people are going to the lab at noon, my group is meeting at 3 and I don't know if it would be beneficial to go early and study with a group, or keep plugging along on my own. If someone knows the intrinsics (my group doesn't) then it would be really helpful, but if they don't then I'd be just as lost.

 

[Emiloo4]

Molecular Biology

The BF and I are having a study date today... he flew all the way across the country to study with me 🙄 😍

 

[sunnex3]

Molecular Biology

The BF and I are having a study date today... he flew all the way across the country to study with me 🙄 😍

that's cute..... 🙂 (JK!!!! haha)

i get to have a study date with my 90s pop pandora station. and biochemistry and anatomy. YAYYYYYYYYY

 

[bunnity]

Haha, I was thinking the same thing when I was studying last night! I heard the average for the first exam last year was 60%😱. Using the right side would be tricky.

I am actually enjoying anatomy lab too. It's fun to dissect! Like some massive puzzle 😎. AND I met a second year who gets sick during histology lab too and she told me to take Dramamine BRILLIANT!

I don't think it was 60%. I think it was around 60/80 points.

Oh wait... I'm a third year now... haha I don't know then. It was definitely not 60% my year.

 

[DVMDream]

Problem with that is we don't get bone boxes and the library has one but is closed, I was hoping to go yesterday but didn't decide to until 7 and they close at 8, closed Saturdays too 🙁. Plus how would you study the muscles on a skeleton? Just imagine them there 😕. The nerves is coming not too bad, but I am having a horrible time with the lower muscles of the leg. Like even with the pictures I'm like 😕 and trying to figure orientation using my live dog and still, I can't rotate things in my head. Once we find it on the dog in the lab, then I'm good with where it is, but until then it's really hard on the lower leg because it just all goes round and round and looks the same 🙁. Focusing on the innervations and functions of the extrinsics right now. Once I know where they are I have an easier time. Some people are going to the lab at noon, my group is meeting at 3 and I don't know if it would be beneficial to go early and study with a group, or keep plugging along on my own. If someone knows the intrinsics (my group doesn't) then it would be really helpful, but if they don't then I'd be just as lost.

I have just reminded myself that the muscles on the dorsal side are extensors and the muscles on the caudal/plantar side are flexors. Then I just try to remember from superficial to deep. I also do a lot of imagining of muscles on my dog skeleton... Just imagining where they originate and insert.. It helps, but it can be hard if you can't see it in your head or find a picture that helps you to visualize it. Hopefully this helps you some, I know everyone learns it differently.

 

[cowgirla]

Problem with that is we don't get bone boxes and the library has one but is closed, I was hoping to go yesterday but didn't decide to until 7 and they close at 8, closed Saturdays too 🙁. Plus how would you study the muscles on a skeleton? Just imagine them there 😕. The nerves is coming not too bad, but I am having a horrible time with the lower muscles of the leg. Like even with the pictures I'm like 😕 and trying to figure orientation using my live dog and still, I can't rotate things in my head. Once we find it on the dog in the lab, then I'm good with where it is, but until then it's really hard on the lower leg because it just all goes round and round and looks the same 🙁. Focusing on the innervations and functions of the extrinsics right now. Once I know where they are I have an easier time. Some people are going to the lab at noon, my group is meeting at 3 and I don't know if it would be beneficial to go early and study with a group, or keep plugging along on my own. If someone knows the intrinsics (my group doesn't) then it would be really helpful, but if they don't then I'd be just as lost.

For lower limbs, I found it really useful to draw out cross sections to figure out where each muscle was in relation to the bone / nerves/ other muscles. I think I drew pictures for pretty much everything in anatomy because I struggled so much.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Haha, I was thinking the same thing when I was studying last night! I heard the average for the first exam last year was 60%😱. Using the right side would be tricky.

I am actually enjoying anatomy lab too. It's fun to dissect! Like some massive puzzle 😎. AND I met a second year who gets sick during histology lab too and she told me to take Dramamine BRILLIANT!

FYI, the anatomy exam is mostly made up of specimens from you and your fellow students, so it is unlikely you will have to see something from a completely different perspective (although the instructors occassionally dissect something themselves). That is one of the reasons you should try to see other people's dissections.

When you get closer to the exam you will find everyone starts looking at other dogs, so don't fall in love with studying from your own specimen.

 

[squirrelsrule]

Spent 4 hours in the lab today 😱 but I can now ID the intrinsics on the dog. And the best thing of all is that I just got the pictures in the book thanks to a very simple trick from a groupie. One of the people in our group said that in anatomy they were taught UP RT. It is just simply that the ulna goes to the pinkie and the radius goes to the thumb. Super simple, but was confusing the living daylights out of me trying to keep track of where they were by remembering that the ulna starts medial to the radius but ends lateral. Now I can just look for dewey and the radius goes there and the 5th digit is where the ulna in near. Now I can look at the picture and orient with the toes 🙂. The simple things in life 😀

 

[sunnex3]

ahhhh squirrels, that is the BEST TIP EVER I LOVE YOU.

btw.....anyone have tips for remembering actions (extension/flexion)? i'm getting confused about which does what (i.e. flex the hock? extend the hock?) etc. the insertions/origins i know is just going to be memorization, but i'm trying to find an intuitive way to think abt the actions.

 

[Trilt]

ahhhh squirrels, that is the BEST TIP EVER I LOVE YOU.

btw.....anyone have tips for remembering actions (extension/flexion)? i'm getting confused about which does what (i.e. flex the hock? extend the hock?) etc. the insertions/origins i know is just going to be memorization, but i'm trying to find an intuitive way to think abt the actions.

At least for the thoracic limb, I just learned them by innervation, because (with some exceptions) it pretty much was based on location. They're also pretty intuitive - like, if you know where the origin/insertions are, just think about how the limb would move. Haven't gotten that far on pelvic limb so I'm not sure how well it'll work.

Another good way to orient yourself in the antebrachium is to just follow your muscles all the way down- for example, you can see your "C" (common digital extensor) and "L" (lateral digital extensor) of the ECLU group and you just know which ones are on either side. Or just follow the insertion and you'll know if it's a digital or carpi-named muscle. Those ones are all super intuitive once you sit down and think about it!

In other news...
I hate immunology. ;_;

 

[sunnex3]

At least for the thoracic limb, I just learned them by innervation, because (with some exceptions) it pretty much was based on location. They're also pretty intuitive - like, if you know where the origin/insertions are, just think about how the limb would move. Haven't gotten that far on pelvic limb so I'm not sure how well it'll work.

Another good way to orient yourself in the antebrachium is to just follow your muscles all the way down- for example, you can see your "C" (common digital extensor) and "L" (lateral digital extensor) of the ECLU group and you just know which ones are on either side. Or just follow the insertion and you'll know if it's a digital or carpi-named muscle. Those ones are all super intuitive once you sit down and think about it!

In other news...
I hate immunology. ;_;

argh it's just not that intuitive to me to think about what would happen..... i'm not sure why this part is so hard for me.

immunology isn't THAT bad.....i actually liked it a lot in undergrad when i took it my last semester. one of the best classes i had ever taken.

 

[Emiloo4]

Molecular bio can suck it. I have three nights to study for my midterm from start to finish. 🙄
Balancing an LDR with vet school is tricky

 

[sunnex3]

btw, i'm having more trouble with the pelvic limb than the thoracic i think. reading up on pelvic limb bc we're starting that tomorrow. maybe it'll make more sense once we start dissecting and messing around. 😕

 

[Trilt]

argh it's just not that intuitive to me to think about what would happen..... i'm not sure why this part is so hard for me.

immunology isn't THAT bad.....i actually liked it a lot in undergrad when i took it my last semester. one of the best classes i had ever taken.

Try using your arm like the dog leg, it helps to visualize things. I definitely was sitting there flexing my arm during the practical rofl.

I think immuno is super neat and fascinating. The naming of stuff is horrible, but I mean that's manageable. We just had one of the worst lecturers I've had in my academic career teaching it, and I've been learning everything myself. 🙄 oi.

 

[DVMDream]

btw, i'm having more trouble with the pelvic limb than the thoracic i think. reading up on pelvic limb bc we're starting that tomorrow. maybe it'll make more sense once we start dissecting and messing around. 😕

For me it was hard to visualize flexion and extension by just looking at the dog in a normal standing position so I had to think of the dog doing something such as running or digging. Then I could ok if the dog is using x, y, z muscles to extend its leg out to run then it needs to use x, y and z to flex it back. Also flexion and extension is based upon the angle of the joints. So decreasing the angle is flexion, increasing is extension. It took me some time to visualize it properly.

 

[squirrelsrule]

I can generally get it right by looking at the muscle, thinking what I think it will do and choosing the opposite .

If you liked UP RT, you might like these we came up for actions of the muscles, not as helpful as UP RT, but still good. The first is when thinking of the action of the Trapezius think trapeze artist- abducts the limb and elevates the shoulder. For the Omotransversarius- think OMG yes, it flexes the neck (which does mean moves head up and down right?). And the sternocephalicus is stern and always says no- turns the head and neck to the side.

 

[Jamr0ckin]

Today is the second lecture we've had the professor just not show up. Its annoying, and I'm disappointed that I'm paying this much and the professors can't even email us to let the class know.
Also, I'm highly frustrated that UTK can't even get a pair of bolt cutters to cut the lock off my locker. I've got to carry around my lunch and change of clothes because I've got no place to put them.

😡

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[DVMDream]

Today is the second lecture we've had the professor just not show up. Its annoying, and I'm disappointed that I'm paying this much and the professors can't even email us to let the class know.
Also, I'm highly frustrated that UTK can't even get a pair of bolt cutters to cut the lock off my locker. I've got to carry around my lunch and change of clothes because I've got no place to put them.

😡

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Be annoying and complain about it. You paid for it, you deserve to be able to use it. I am sure by now my letting agency thinks that I am a complete bitch. Sometimes you have to be annoying for things to get done otherwise things such as cutting the lock off the new vet student's locker gets pushed to the bottom of the priority pile. If you are constantly reminding them of it, then they are forced to work on it more quickly.

 

[Kpowell14]

Today is the second lecture we've had the professor just not show up. Its annoying, and I'm disappointed that I'm paying this much and the professors can't even email us to let the class know.
Also, I'm highly frustrated that UTK can't even get a pair of bolt cutters to cut the lock off my locker. I've got to carry around my lunch and change of clothes because I've got no place to put them.

😡

Wow that's pretty disappointing to hear, especially since they are my IS school. Has everything else been ok so far?

 

[Jamr0ckin]

Be annoying and complain about it. You paid for it, you deserve to be able to use it. I am sure by now my letting agency thinks that I am a complete bitch. Sometimes you have to be annoying for things to get done otherwise things such as cutting the lock off the new vet student's locker gets pushed to the bottom of the priority pile. If you are constantly reminding them of it, then they are forced to work on it more quickly.

Yeah, I have gone by 3 times so far
. I've been very nice and understanding. That's about to change. My patience is about up.

Wow that's pretty disappointing to hear, especially since they are my IS school. Has everything else been ok so far?

From what I understand, the professors not showing up isn't normal, but I'm honestly not sure.

I love the school for the most part... No place is perfect! if you have certain questions, PM me. If you are local to Knoxville, let me know.
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[Kpowell14]

From what I understand, the professors not showing up isn't normal, but I'm honestly not sure.

I love the school for the most part... No place is perfect! if you have certain questions, PM me. If you are local to Knoxville, let me know.

Ok, if I think up any I will! Unfortunately I'm in Nashville not Knox, but once I get my full sept work schedule I'm gonna try and come up for a campus tour!

 

[OH Bunny Girl]

Well, totally OVER STUDIED for the first anatomy quiz. I suppose in the long run this is a good thing, but now it just makes me feel like I wasted my long weekend studying only one subject and neglecting the others.

Such is life I suppose...

 

[NStarz]

Well, totally OVER STUDIED for the first anatomy quiz. I suppose in the long run this is a good thing, but now it just makes me feel like I wasted my long weekend studying only one subject and neglecting the others.

Such is life I suppose...

I feel the EXACT same way. All those actions/innervations/origins/insertions that I memorized, and the closest thing we get to a muscle is on a dissection image. Sigh. At least we'll know them for the quiz next week!

 

[squirrelsrule]

I do not feel like I wasted my time studying at all, but I was definitely over prepared for the clicker quiz. My hope is that the clicker quizzes are always like that 👍. I'm glad that the only thing I cancelled studying to focus more time on Anatomy was Histology. I almost didn't study cell to save more time for anatomy, but instead I studied Pathology, cells, and anatomy and I feel pretty good about where I'm at. The anatomy quiz served as a confidence booster for me 😀.

Then there was pathology 🙁. I studied so much this weekend and was hoping to get to the point where future stuff would make more sense because I knew what we had already covered, but didn't seem to help at all. Did you guys know what we went over today other than the basic thought that hydrolysis would increase bilirubin?

 

[OH Bunny Girl]

Yeah, studying this weekend definitely made me more prepared for lecture and lab today. And who knows what next week's quiz will be like. I have a feeling it might be hard to figure out for the first couple yet.

I WISH I had studied more path this weekend! I don't think I've ever learned bilirubin synthesis, and while it makes sense (kinda), it will def. be something I will have to keep going over.

 

[orca2011]

Gah. I'm sooo annoyed. This isn't really school related but I've been trying to get a gym membership for like two weeks now. Well, we got out of a lecture early, so I like sprinted over with a few classmates to try to get the membership since they close at 5:30 and I don't get out of class until 6. Well, there is a ridiculously long line, so I would have been late and now I'm super angry because I haven't really worked out since the 12th.

I'd consider running today but it was monsooning earlier and I really don't want to get caught in that. I don't mind running in the rain, but not a torrential downpour.

 

[Emiloo4]

Got our anatomy practical grades back today.... BOOYA!!! 😀😀

 

[squirrelsrule]

Got our anatomy practical grades back today.... BOOYA!!! 😀😀

👍

 

[sunnex3]

spent some time in anatomy lab today trying to understand the actions a little better......i think i udnerstand it a little better now after looking at the muscles and how they attach on the leg.

any other first years have some tips for me? for some reason anatomy is scaring the shiz out of me (more so than any other subject).

 

[Minnerbelle]

spent some time in anatomy lab today trying to understand the actions a little better......i think i udnerstand it a little better now after looking at the muscles and how they attach on the leg.

any other first years have some tips for me? for some reason anatomy is scaring the shiz out of me (more so than any other subject).

Not a first year, but I think the advice given earlier (or in another thread) about taking an intact skeleton of a big dog and studying the muscles, nerves, etc... on it is really good. For each muscle, if you identify the insertion and origin on an intact skeleton, the actions become super intuitive. Especially when it comes to equine limbs, trying to reconstruct vessels and stuff on an intact skeleton is really really helpful.

 

[Jamr0ckin]

There is a respiratory virus going around my class, and I'm the latest victim. 🙁

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[DVMDream]

There is a respiratory virus going around my class, and I'm the latest victim. 🙁

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🙁

There has been one going around our class rather slowly. It seems like it wants to make me sick but can't make up its mind. I wake up every morning with a pounding headache and stuffed nose but it goes away within an hour or so.. Either get over with it or go away is what I say.

 

[dyachei]

Which class, Jamrockin? I can tell you if its normal for the professor or not.

 

[SnowyRox]

I don't think it was 60%. I think it was around 60/80 points.

Oh wait... I'm a third year now... haha I don't know then. It was definitely not 60% my year.

You only have 1 semester left, right??? 👍

The student I was talking to might have misremembered the average I guess. Although she said your year did too well and they overcompensated making the tests hard .

And I realized my last post was poorly written and sounded like I was advocating for drugs... I just meant that it never occured to me that nausea from a microscope was the same as the motion sickness you get from riding a bus. Which makes total sense... I just hadn't put 2 + 2 together.

 

[Jamr0ckin]

Which class, Jamrockin? I can tell you if its normal for the professor or not.

Once it was Reed for Anatomy, then Holford for PD. I believe it won't happen again for PD, it seemed like an honest mistake stemming from the 3 day weekend, as our lab was needed up as well

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[dyachei]

Once it was Reed for Anatomy, then Holford for PD. I believe it won't happen again for PD, it seemed like an honest mistake stemming from the 3 day weekend, as our lab was needed up as well

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When I was in Anatomy, he did it all the time. I think he ended up having pneumonia, though.

 

[sunnex3]

so my eyes hurt a lot and i get a terrible headache and feel nauseous during/after histology.....basically feel like crap about 3/4 of the way through. any tips for overcoming this? gahhhh. i can never last the entire 2 hour period in histo lab 🙁

 

[bbeventer]

You only have 1 semester left, right??? 👍

The student I was talking to might have misremembered the average I guess. Although she said your year did too well and they overcompensated making the tests hard .

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Are your exams curved at Penn?

 

[twelvetigers]

so my eyes hurt a lot and i get a terrible headache and feel nauseous during/after histology.....basically feel like crap about 3/4 of the way through. any tips for overcoming this? gahhhh. i can never last the entire 2 hour period in histo lab 🙁

Scan up and down rather than side to side. Look away when you move the slide - it will seem tedious but it helps. And take breaks!

And I'm assuming that you are using it correctly - you gotta use both eyepieces like you are supposed to. It can be weird to get the distance right, but squinting the whole time isn't gonna help with anything.

 

[Emiloo4]

so my eyes hurt a lot and i get a terrible headache and feel nauseous during/after histology.....basically feel like crap about 3/4 of the way through. any tips for overcoming this? gahhhh. i can never last the entire 2 hour period in histo lab 🙁

Try turning the light source down as well. It used to happen to me all the time and that helped. Our histo prof is also an ophthalmologist and was telling us about how bad the light is for your eyes. 🙄

 

[sunnex3]

Are your exams curved at Penn?

only anatomy i believe. all the other classes are graded 90-100 = A, 80-89 = B, 70-79 = C, anything below 70 = fail.

luckily......our finals are not cumulative. i just about jumped for joy when they told us that at orientation (guess i was still in UG mode!)

 

[sunnex3]

Scan up and down rather than side to side. Look away when you move the slide - it will seem tedious but it helps. And take breaks!

And I'm assuming that you are using it correctly - you gotta use both eyepieces like you are supposed to. It can be weird to get the distance right, but squinting the whole time isn't gonna help with anything.

Try turning the light source down as well. It used to happen to me all the time and that helped. Our histo prof is also an ophthalmologist and was telling us about how bad the light is for your eyes. 🙄

yeah i'm going to try and readjust the eyepieces today. i definitely squint a lot during histo. and i'll definitely try the up and down thing and looking away.

EL -- someone already made that suggestion to me yesterday 🙂 👍 definitely trying that today.

i actually don't mind histo too much except that it makes me feel like i was on a roller coaster upside down for hours.