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Shakespeare37 said:
RANT/ I BROKE MY TOE. It hurts, I'm in a freaking boot, and it has really screwed up my plans. I can't hobble to the instrument where that I run my experiments on, and I'm supposed to go climb the Grand Teton in two weeks! I'm laying around the house feeling sorry for myself, which just makes me pathetic. Ughh... so frustrated! /Rant

Coloradans rule. And I want in on the Indian food.... so tasty!
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That sucks. 🙁 I hope it heals in time to go climbing!! And you're right, Coloradans are the best.

berriesandcream said:
Hiya 🙂
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Hi berries! 😀

aSagacious said:
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GINGER!
 
Did anyone see the ginger episode of south park? looool
 
Buttermellow said:
If you happen to come upon another coupon, I would love to do this. I would rather know what my risk factors are so I can start addressing them now.
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But what about those diseases that appear to be unrelated to lifestyle factors and are more or less untreatable, like Alzheimer's or Huntington's? It'd be stressful to know you're likely to develop a crippling disorder that you can do nothing about. I'm still trying to decide if that knowledge is worth having.
 
BHaus9 said:
But what about those diseases that appear to be unrelated to lifestyle factors and are more or less untreatable, like Alzheimer's or Huntington's? It'd be stressful to know you're likely to develop a crippling disorder that you can do nothing about. I'm still trying to decide if that knowledge is worth having.
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I'd still want to know. There's lots of new research about how to prevent Alzheimer's, and it's been shown that staying active mentally and physically can help prevent it. And as for Huntington's I'd want to know before having kids (because then I might just adopt as to not pass the disease to them).
 
Buttermellow said:
I'd still want to know. There's lots of new research about how to prevent Alzheimer's, and it's been shown that staying active mentally and physically can help prevent it. And as for Huntington's I'd want to know before having kids (because then I might just adopt as to not pass the disease to them).
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I don't know... preventing Alzheimer's and combating symptoms are two different things. There's really not a lot you can do before the fact.

As far as having kids is concerned, it would take a big ethical jump for me to conclude that someone's life wouldn't be worth living just because they'd develop a late-onset disease.
 
BHaus9 said:
I don't know... preventing Alzheimer's and combating symptoms are two different things. There's really not a lot you can do before the fact.

As far as having kids is concerned, it would take a big ethical jump for me to conclude that someone's life wouldn't be worth living just because they'd develop a late-onset disease.
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Like Bmello said, adoption.

Why take the risk when there are children out there who don't have parents of their own?
 
BHaus9 said:
I don't know... preventing Alzheimer's and combating symptoms are two different things. There's really not a lot you can do before the fact.

As far as having kids is concerned, it would take a big ethical jump for me to conclude that someone's life wouldn't be worth living just because they'd develop a late-onset disease.
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True, they are different. But I'm sure there would be something I could do to delay it or something.

I would not have kids if I had Huntington's... it may be "late-onset," but you'd be in constant decline from age 35 or so. Might as well adopt a kid who otherwise wouldn't have a good home.
 
Whatyousay said:
Like Bmello said, adoption.

Why take the risk when there are children out there who don't have parents of their own?
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What are you risking? Right there you're passing a value judgment on the lives of people living with disease.
 
Buttermellow said:
True, they are different. But I'm sure there would be something I could do to delay it or something.

I would not have kids if I had Huntington's... it may be "late-onset," but you'd be in constant decline from age 35 or so. Might as well adopt a kid who otherwise wouldn't have a good home.
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Yeah, you're right, there's research correlating exercise (and even caffeine, whaaaaa) to reduced risk of Alzheimer's, but for each optimistic article I read I find another one questioning the validity of the original study. Anecdotal evidence in my own family has left me a little embittered and skeptical.
 
BHaus9 said:
What are you risking? Right there you're passing a value judgment on the lives of people living with disease.
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I'm sure those with Huntington's value their lives and enjoyed it despite the circumstances, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want their children to have to experience the same disease. Personally I wouldn't risk it, I couldn't stand the thought of giving my kids a disease like that.
 
BHaus9 said:
What are you risking? Right there you're passing a value judgment on the lives of people living with disease.
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Are you saying that women are obligated to be baby-making factories? :laugh:

Pregnancy is a pretty life-changing thing for a woman (and the man, I guess, if he doesn't run off), so it's certainly within the right of the woman to consider the future well-being of their offspring in their decision.
 
BHaus9 said:
Yeah, you're right, there's research correlating exercise (and even caffeine, whaaaaa) to reduced risk of Alzheimer's, but for each optimistic article I read I find another one questioning the validity of the original study. Anecdotal evidence in my own family has left me a little embittered and skeptical.
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Yay caffeine! My PI is a neurologist and he's pretty up to date on research, he suggests his patients stay physically and mentally active. Not sure about the caffeine thing, I'll have to look into that.
 
Buttermellow said:
I'm sure those with Huntington's value their lives and enjoyed it despite the circumstances, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want their children to have to experience the same disease. Personally I wouldn't risk it, I couldn't stand the thought of giving my kids a disease like that.
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But in addition to giving them a disease, you're giving them life, I life I choose to assume they would not be ungrateful for.
 
Whatyousay said:
Are you saying that women are obligated to be baby-making factories? :laugh:
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Well, evolutionarily speaking, yeah, they are. If their production of diseased offspring turns out to be a problem, natural selection will work its magic 😀
 
BHaus9 said:
But in addition to giving them a disease, you're giving them life, I life I choose to assume they would not be ungrateful for.
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It's not like I would anesthetize my kids if they were born and had the disease. I would just choose not to create children. I don't feel bad for depriving my eggs the potential to become a person.

Where's CodeBlu when we're discussing medical ethics?
 
BHaus9 said:
But in addition to giving them a disease, you're giving them life, I life I choose to assume they would not be ungrateful for.
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It's really starting to sound like your UG education is seeping into your arguments :meanie:
 
Whatyousay said:
Are you saying that women are obligated to be baby-making factories? :laugh:

Pregnancy is a pretty life-changing thing for a woman (and the man, I guess, if he doesn't run off), so it's certainly within the right of the woman to consider the future well-being of their offspring in their decision.
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Peeve #1: People retroactively editing posts for content -.-
 
Buttermellow said:
It's not like I would anesthetize my kids if they were born and had the disease. I would just choose not to create children. I don't feel bad for depriving my eggs the potential to become a person.

Where's CodeBlu when we're discussing medical ethics?
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Probably on a date with a green-eye vixen.

Or running off with BWSTW
 
I can't believe we had a discussion about Huntington's without someone posting a picture of Thirteen.

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aSagacious said:
CB I am jelly of ur almuerzo
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I am so full... I ate my face off.

TheMightySmiter said:
I missed this before but now I have images of you injecting little R2-D2s into your veins. :laugh:
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I am a robot.

aSagacious said:
Zomg CB is akshully a cyborg 😱... that explains so much :laugh:
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I am sent back from the future.

BHaus9 said:
Definitely read The Language of Life by Francis Collins (director of the NIH). It's written for the lay public but was intriguing nonetheless, and its discussion of commercial genetic testing - he gave 23andme a very favorable review - really got me onboard with genomic science.
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23andme looks unreal. I just did the spit tube. And sealed it, off it goes tomorrow!!!
 
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