MD & DO co'21 Residency Panic thread

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Banco said:
That feeling when you have a meet and greet that's split up into breakout rooms, there are only 3 applicants, 2 of them have no personality and the residents also look like they don't want to be there. Just talk to myself I guess...
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Same, although I've decided to not judge the other applicants too harshly because they are probably just as bored and checked out as I am.
 
getfat said:
Anybody else doing a Sub-I this late in the year?

Don't suggest it haha. The level of check out is real.
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I did my last sub-i in October and I was already super checked out. Only time I didn't honor in 4th year AND I f***ed up ERAS. Do not recommend.

I can't believe it: For my interview at my home institution they picked a faculty member I know personally (his daughter used to play soccer with my sister). It's a little weird to start off with (like this person would never be allowed to evaluate my performance on a rotation say) made even more awkward that this is someone who I had chatted with casually a while ago about why I probably wouldn't stay here for residency. He started off our interview with, "So I'm surprised to see you here..." Facepalm.

I mean my rationale for going elsewhere hasn't changed, and luckily I have got enough interviews that I'm not panicking, but still it would be nice to know my home institution was ranking me somewhat favorably...
 
While everything got cancelled before I panic scheduled one for February. Then I can’t cancel due to school policy with minimum in person weeks. But good news is I have online or vacation March-May so plenty of chill time to move and all that before we enter the COVID zone
 
Naruhodo said:
I did my last sub-i in October and I was already super checked out. Only time I didn't honor in 4th year AND I f***ed up ERAS. Do not recommend.

I can't believe it: For my interview at my home institution they picked a faculty member I know personally (his daughter used to play soccer with my sister). It's a little weird to start off with (like this person would never be allowed to evaluate my performance on a rotation say) made even more awkward that this is someone who I had chatted with casually a while ago about why I probably wouldn't stay here for residency. He started off our interview with, "So I'm surprised to see you here..." Facepalm.

I mean my rationale for going elsewhere hasn't changed, and luckily I have got enough interviews that I'm not panicking, but still it would be nice to know my home institution was ranking me somewhat favorably...
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Like...did he think you weren’t going to apply to your home program?
 
Spectreman said:
I had an interview last week where we were in the group chat room for 4 freaking hours. After 3 hours I was like “let’s talk about something else, what are some of your favorite movies?” They were like “we don’t watch movies...” and went back to answering stupid reach questions from the other candidates.
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Makes me appreciate some of my prelim interviews which are only half hour long.
 
My paper was recently published and I was listed as first author. If I want to update the program about this, do I email the program coordinator, the program director, the interviewer (if the program has already interviewed me), or all of them? Thank you!
 
JKWINNER said:
My paper was recently published and I was listed as first author. If I want to update the program about this, do I email the program coordinator, the program director, the interviewer (if the program has already interviewed me), or all of them? Thank you!
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similar question! do I update the PC only?
 
JKWINNER said:
My paper was recently published and I was listed as first author. If I want to update the program about this, do I email the program coordinator, the program director, the interviewer (if the program has already interviewed me), or all of them? Thank you!
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Not sure if it is worth to be updated tbh. I had 3 accepted and 2 newly submitted pubs and I did not bother to even mention during interviews or update unless they specifically asked 🤷‍♀️ Unless it is nature, basic science or big impact study...a first author case report is definitely not worth an update.
 
frenchyn said:
Not sure if it is worth to be updated tbh. I had 3 accepted and 2 newly submitted pubs and I did not bother to even mention during interviews or update unless they specifically asked 🤷‍♀️ Unless it is nature, basic science or big impact study...a first author case report is definitely not worth an update.
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I know but it's a publication not submitted or accepted. I didn't update either when mine were accepted or submitted but I had a similar thing where I loved a progrma and had a lot of acceped pubs.
 
frenchyn said:
Not sure if it is worth to be updated tbh. I had 3 accepted and 2 newly submitted pubs and I did not bother to even mention during interviews or update unless they specifically asked 🤷‍♀️ Unless it is nature, basic science or big impact study...a first author case report is definitely not worth an update.
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what? I thought specialties and programs liked increasing their pubs count? So much that ERAS groups papers and abstracts in single publications category! Why would an update on an actual published paper be a bad thing when applicants are fluffing their research count with school posters?
 
Lawpy said:
what? I thought specialties and programs liked increasing their pubs count? So much that ERAS groups papers and abstracts in single publications category! Why would an update on an actual published paper be a bad thing when applicants are fluffing their research count with school posters?
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Lol Eras does it does not mean programs like it lol. We all know those numbers are highly inflated. Some programs even check for actually pubs on Pubmed. Idky you think one pub post interview will make a big difference especially in a research heavy specialties, specialties where research is not important at all or programs where research is not important at all. I did not say it is a bad thing. I just say it is unnecessary lol. Maybe update one person but not everyone. After interview they already meet and rank you. I am not sure why unless it is high impact pub, it ain’t going to move you up rank list simply because of that.
iamarosepetal said:
I know but it's a publication not submitted or accepted. I didn't update either when mine were accepted or submitted but I had a similar thing where I loved a progrma and had a lot of acceped pubs.
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Once a pub is accepted, it will be published lol. Not much difference in my opinion rather than just the timeframe. If you really love the program and will plan to email them before rank list, save it and write a more comprehensive and convincing email...w an update (maybe you will get more rather than just hey I had one extra pub x multiple times then it gets annoying)...

Just opinion...obviously you guys do whatever you guys want 😁
 
frenchyn said:
Lol Eras does it does not mean programs like it lol. We all know those numbers are highly inflated. Some programs even check for actually pubs on Pubmed. Idky you think one pub post interview will make a big difference especially in a research heavy specialties, specialties where research is not important at all or programs where research is not important at all. I did not say it is a bad thing. I just say it is unnecessary lol. Maybe update one person but not everyone. After interview they already meet and rank you. I am not sure why unless it is high impact pub, it ain’t going to move you up rank list simply because of that.

Once a pub is accepted, it will be published lol. Not much difference in my opinion rather than just the timeframe. If you really love the program and will plan to email them before rank list, save it and write a more comprehensive and convincing email...w an update (maybe you will get more rather than just hey I had one extra pub x multiple times then it gets annoying)...

Just opinion...obviously you guys do whatever you guys want 😁
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Idk i think having any papers is a plus (pubmed indexed and something more than a case report). I just think the true average paper count is a lot lower even in research heavy specialties. And first authors = good. But i'm not a PD obviously
 
getfat said:
Anybody else doing a Sub-I this late in the year?

Don't suggest it haha. The level of check out is real.
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I am on one right now and am so over it. I don't give sh** and am just burnt out. It was a terrible idea although it landed me an interview.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Like...did he think you weren’t going to apply to your home program?
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Right???? Like our home institution sent everyone applying into the specialty invites before they could even see applicants through ERAS....so it would have been weird to be like "No thanks, I'll pass." Good news is that he still tried to talk me into staying, so based on that I don't think he'll torpedo my ranking hopefully? :shrug:
 
JKWINNER said:
My paper was recently published and I was listed as first author. If I want to update the program about this, do I email the program coordinator, the program director, the interviewer (if the program has already interviewed me), or all of them? Thank you!
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iamarosepetal said:
similar question! do I update the PC only?
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I personally think “updating” a program with an accepted publication is pointless, but to each their own. Do you have absolutely know publications or anything on your CV? I just can’t see a situation where this would make any difference whatsoever
 
On a total separate note... Anyone think about how come July we're more than likely going to be high on the priority list for getting the covid vaccine? I can't help but think that by then hospitals should have enough doses to start really vaccinating their housestaff
 
getfat said:
Anybody else doing a Sub-I this late in the year?

Don't suggest it haha. The level of check out is real.
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Todays my last day of my last one and while I’ve thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of it, I’m just sooooooo burnt out and excited to start winter break. Def did not expect to be this ded by now when I was planning out fourth year lol
 
JKWINNER said:
My paper was recently published and I was listed as first author. If I want to update the program about this, do I email the program coordinator, the program director, the interviewer (if the program has already interviewed me), or all of them? Thank you!
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There is no way that I would send an update for this. Unless you are somehow shifting the entire practice of medicine with a NEJM publication, it can’t possibly move you up the list at this point. I think it sorta shows a lack of social awareness to update for this kind of stuff tbh.

Did you list it as “accepted” in ERAS? If so, why would you update them? The logical conclusion is that if it’s accepted it’s going to be published.
 
Espressso said:
On a total separate note... Anyone think about how come July we're more than likely going to be high on the priority list for getting the covid vaccine? I can't help but think that by then hospitals should have enough doses to start really vaccinating their housestaff
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My school said medical students will be lumped into the first batch, which means we will get it this month (in NYC).
 
underthesun said:
I’m definitely pro-vaccine, but it does make me slightly nervous to be one of the first people to get a brand new vaccine that has been developed at warp speed. if there are any negative effects, you just wouldn’t know because the follow up period has been so short.
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The only thing that was done at warp speed was that the time in between steps while funding is secured was eliminated and things that normally are done sequentially just because of money and red tape were done concurrently. The research into the tech for mRNA vaccines has been ongoing for many years, and coronavirus vaccines specifically have been in the works in some fashion since SARS. While this was done in a speedy manner (less than a year), it was not rushed in the colloquial sense of the word that implies cutting corners. The only thing really cut was red tape.

In drug development you are always going to get adverse effects pop up in postmarket surveillance because the study populations are always too small to pick up the things that will have an incidence of 1 in a million. Humans are all very bad at probability and we all like to think we’re special enough to be that 1 in a million, but there’s a 99.999% chance you won’t be.

Naming the project operation: warp speed was a huge mistake because the name alone is making a lot of the public concerned and not wanting to get it. I don’t know who named it, but that was really dumb.
 
Frogger27 said:
I personally think “updating” a program with an accepted publication is pointless, but to each their own. Do you have absolutely know publications or anything on your CV? I just can’t see a situation where this would make any difference whatsoever
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I already posted below that I have multiple publications that are now PUBLISHED
and no 2 of them were not even accepted when I was applying lol got accepted and then published afterwards. 🙁
 
underthesun said:
I think we’ll all have access to the vaccine long before then. I’m definitely pro-vaccine, but it does make me slightly nervous to be one of the first people to get a brand new vaccine that has been developed at warp speed. if there are any negative effects, you just wouldn’t know because the follow up period has been so short.
Covid is certainly a problem in elderly populations so my primary goal in getting the vaccine would be to protect my elderly patients and family members...otherwise I probably wouldn’t get it for myself. The case fatality rate for my age group, according to the Lancet, is about 1/1000. I don’t think that many people in the general public realize that the numbers are this low in younger folks (25-44). SOME of the fear surrounding COVID is deserved, but it has also been hyped up by the media.
My unpopular opinion is that the economic fallout is going to be far worse than the health threat of Covid. For example, the UN estimates that 130 million more people will starve this year as a result of Covid’s economic effects. We should be talking more about these kinds of things.

news.un.org

New wave of famine could sweep the globe, overwhelming nations already weakened by years of conflict, warn UN officials

The global hunger crisis caused by conflict – and now compounded by COVID-19 – is moving into a dangerous phase, the head of the UN World Food Programme (WFP) said on Thursday, stressing that without resources, a wave of famine could sweep the globe, overwhelming nations already weakened by...
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I hope we are in the first group for my state because I'm immunosuppressed.
 
How do you guys answer the question "what can you tell me about our hospital system?" It is such a broad question and I don't know what and how detailed they want to know...I usually know the program really well...but the hospital system...don't care at this stage hahhha
 
frenchyn said:
How do you guys answer the question "what can you tell me about our hospital system?" It is such a broad question and I don't know what and how detailed they want to know...I usually know the program really well...but the hospital system...don't care at this stage hahhha
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You’re being asked to tell them about their system? Like checking to see if you did homework on their program?
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
But why? Isn’t that the point of like the presentation they do? What specialty is this?
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No presentation prior. Tbh, it is a fair question, but it is so broad, I stop caring after they all say the same ****, and what do they really expect from that question "mission and values, numbers of hospitals?"...****s that we don't have control over as residents...

It is surgical subspecialty
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
But why? Isn’t that the point of like the presentation they do? What specialty is this?
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One of the programs I'm interviewing at next month just got bought by a huge hospital system. They mentioned it in one of 3 videos they sent in links along with the interview offer......so yeah...it's a test to see if the applicant gives a damn enough to do some basic research about the hospital and program. It may not be a big deal, but it might just help move an applicant up their rank list if they did their homework and can speak intelligently about it.
 
Espressso said:
On a total separate note... Anyone think about how come July we're more than likely going to be high on the priority list for getting the covid vaccine? I can't help but think that by then hospitals should have enough doses to start really vaccinating their housestaff
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Shooott... I’m still hoping to get #1 by the end of 2020.
underthesun said:
I think we’ll all have access to the vaccine long before then. I’m definitely pro-vaccine, but it does make me slightly nervous to be one of the first people to get a brand new vaccine that has been developed at warp speed. if there are any negative effects, you just wouldn’t know because the follow up period has been so short.
Covid is certainly a problem in elderly populations so my primary goal in getting the vaccine would be to protect my elderly patients and family members...otherwise I probably wouldn’t get it for myself. The case fatality rate for my age group, according to the Lancet, is about 1/1000. I don’t think that many people in the general public realize that the numbers are this low in younger folks (25-44). SOME of the fear surrounding COVID is deserved, but it has also been hyped up by the media.
My unpopular opinion is that the economic fallout is going to be far worse than the health threat of Covid. For example, the UN estimates that 130 million more people will starve this year as a result of Covid’s economic effects. We should be talking more about these kinds of things.

news.un.org

New wave of famine could sweep the globe, overwhelming nations already weakened by years of conflict, warn UN officials

The global hunger crisis caused by conflict – and now compounded by COVID-19 – is moving into a dangerous phase, the head of the UN World Food Programme (WFP) said on Thursday, stressing that without resources, a wave of famine could sweep the globe, overwhelming nations already weakened by...
news.un.org news.un.org
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I’m very pro vaccine and I want the COVID-19 vaccine ASAP!!!
frenchyn said:
How do you guys answer the question "what can you tell me about our hospital system?" It is such a broad question and I don't know what and how detailed they want to know...I usually know the program really well...but the hospital system...don't care at this stage hahhha
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I’ve never been asked that question but I have actually asked programs questions based on info I got from the hospital’s general public website.

example: 1 program’s hospital listed a behavioral health unit. It wasn’t mentioned on the IM residency programs website. Having interest in behavioral medicine, I asked if there were opportunities for electives to work with that population. There were options for 4-8 weeks of electives, and I moved them up my list by 2 spots just for that.

I did not research hospitals themselves outside of the program website in making my application list, but I do at places I’m interviewing before the interview.
 
sunshinefl said:
Shooott... I’m still hoping to get #1 by the end of 2020.

I’m very pro vaccine and I want the COVID-19 vaccine ASAP!!!

I’ve never been asked that question but I have actually asked programs questions based on info I got from the hospital’s general public website.

example: 1 program’s hospital listed a behavioral health unit. It wasn’t mentioned on the IM residency programs website. Having interest in behavioral medicine, I asked if there were opportunities for electives to work with that population. There were options for 4-8 weeks of electives, and I moved them up my list by 2 spots just for that.

I did not research hospitals themselves outside of the program website in making my application list, but I do at places I’m interviewing before the interview.
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I know those related to the program itself...But I always struggled with the one "what do you know about our hospital system"...so broad...and not important to us at this stage lol...
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
I’ll take both please.
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My last rotation spot before graduation is not yet scheduled....it can be ambulatory medicine or OMM/Rural. I'll have enough time after match day to schedule it wherever I like......so I'm thinking if I can get fully vaccinated against Covid then I might be able to set it up in the town where I'll be doing residency so I can utilize my down time to find a home to buy.
 
Oligodinero said:
My last rotation spot before graduation is not yet scheduled....it can be ambulatory medicine or OMM/Rural. I'll have enough time after match day to schedule it wherever I like......so I'm thinking if I can get fully vaccinated against Covid then I might be able to set it up in the town where I'll be doing residency so I can utilize my down time to find a home to buy.
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My home hospital is starting vaccinations soon. I’m hoping med students are included.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
The only thing that was done at warp speed was that the time in between steps while funding is secured was eliminated and things that normally are done sequentially just because of money and red tape were done concurrently. The research into the tech for mRNA vaccines has been ongoing for many years, and coronavirus vaccines specifically have been in the works in some fashion since SARS. While this was done in a speedy manner (less than a year), it was not rushed in the colloquial sense of the word that implies cutting corners. The only thing really cut was red tape.

In drug development you are always going to get adverse effects pop up in postmarket surveillance because the study populations are always too small to pick up the things that will have an incidence of 1 in a million. Humans are all very bad at probability and we all like to think we’re special enough to be that 1 in a million, but there’s a 99.999% chance you won’t be.

Naming the project operation: warp speed was a huge mistake because the name alone is making a lot of the public concerned and not wanting to get it. I don’t know who named it, but that was really dumb.
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I don’t disagree with anything you said, but even though the technology has been around for awhile we still don’t know the specifics of THIS vaccine and the possible adverse effects it may have. There is always a risk/benefit calculation, despite the fact that people like to pretend that there isn’t with vaccines. For most people the benefits will far outweigh the risks, but I’m personally cautious and don’t like the kool-aid mentality that accompanies developments like this.
 
underthesun said:
I don’t disagree with anything you said, but even though the technology has been around for awhile we still don’t know the specifics of THIS vaccine and the possible adverse effects it may have. There is always a risk/benefit calculation, despite the fact that people like to pretend that there isn’t with vaccines. For most people the benefits will far outweigh the risks, but I’m personally cautious and don’t like the kool-aid mentality that accompanies developments like this.
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I mean I’m cautious too. I don’t even like to take ibuprofen when I have a headache. No one is saying not to do a risk/benefit analysis, but the benefit of not getting covid yourself plus contributing toward herd immunity greatly outweighs the minor local vaccine reactions that come with every vaccine and the 0.001% chance that something more serious could happen. If a serious adverse event is going to happen, there is almost no chance it will happen to you.
 
Oof was grilled a bit today about my research, but the interviewer wasn't really interested in the content, just the fact that I was listed in the middle of a bunch of authors - she stated that it looks like I was just given "favor publications"...even though I worked on them long term and am able to really speak about the work and it's a major part of my application. She kind of persisted on it and it got a little uncomfortable.

Kind of left a bad taste in my mouth during what was otherwise a great day.
 
Banco said:
Oof was grilled a bit today about my research, but the interviewer wasn't really interested in the content, just the fact that I was listed in the middle of a bunch of authors - she stated that it looks like I was just given "favor publications"...even though I worked on them long term and am able to really speak about the work and it's a major part of my application. She kind of persisted on it and it got a little uncomfortable.

Kind of left a bad taste in my mouth during what was otherwise a great day.
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Wtf that's so lame.
 
Banco said:
Oof was grilled a bit today about my research, but the interviewer wasn't really interested in the content, just the fact that I was listed in the middle of a bunch of authors - she stated that it looks like I was just given "favor publications"...even though I worked on them long term and am able to really speak about the work and it's a major part of my application. She kind of persisted on it and it got a little uncomfortable.

Kind of left a bad taste in my mouth during what was otherwise a great day.
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Sorry. That sucks.
 
Banco said:
Oof was grilled a bit today about my research, but the interviewer wasn't really interested in the content, just the fact that I was listed in the middle of a bunch of authors - she stated that it looks like I was just given "favor publications"...even though I worked on them long term and am able to really speak about the work and it's a major part of my application. She kind of persisted on it and it got a little uncomfortable.

Kind of left a bad taste in my mouth during what was otherwise a great day.
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I hate that...the whole interview goes well then bam one person has to ruin it makes you question about the program and your performance
 
Banco said:
Could be that they simply wanted to give me a pressure question but yeah, I dunno, super weird.
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Nah, It is just a matter of thing....there will always be people who don't click with you regardless how awesome a person you are....Pressure question will be ethical questions, how you handle a situation or stress etc
 
Scrubs101 said:
Todays my last day of my last one and while I’ve thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of it, I’m just sooooooo burnt out and excited to start winter break. Def did not expect to be this ded by now when I was planning out fourth year lol
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Yeah, I front-loaded 4th year so all I have left after this month is research and optional electives (but even if I cancelled all the electives I'd still have to pay tuition sadly). Residents I've talked to about it tend to lean towards cancelling the electives and giving myself a break, but some of the electives are things I think will be kind of fun. The one I'm most on the fence about is ophthalmology, because I have medium to low interest but feel like I should try to get better at eye exams? Though if I haven't been vaccinated by that point (see below) I'm not sure that I'd even want to be getting up close to strangers faces (nor that they'd necessarily let me do superfluous exams). One I think I want to keep is ENT, because I find hearing loss interesting and think since I'm not going into surgery it may be one of my last opportunities to see a lot of the kinds of things they do (feel free to tell me if this sounds silly - originally I'd signed up for an ortho elective with similar rationale and got talked out of it). One I definitely think will be useful is derm, because right now I suck at rashes and they come up all the freaking time.

ready2go2 said:
My school said medical students will be lumped into the first batch, which means we will get it this month (in NYC).
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We're not in NYC but have also been told we're lumped into the first batch, which means vaccines this month or next. It's not mandatory (people can decline and don't have to give a reason) and decliners can change their mind and get it later. At this point they're only offering it to students in their clinical years, not preclinical. Originally I felt some guilt about jumping to the front of the line given I could chose to do nothing clinical until residency, but as others have said part of it is about building herd immunity and if I have the chance to help protect myself and my community why not?
 
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