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I have two serious conduct violations. One was DDOSing a school server; all I was doing was testing the server because I was just curious. I therefore, accidently, flooded the server. I didn't know it would shut down. So I had to pay 200 dollars for that. Two was an academic conduct violation for an organic chemistry exam. Couldn't remember two structures so I wrote them down on a sheet of paper. It didn't really help me anyway because I thought that was going to be on the exam, but it wasn't. The DDos happened in spring sophomore year, and the o chem happened in fall junior year. Now I'm a senior and I retook the o chem class and made a A. I am about to take the MCAT, though. I was going to take it beforehand but the F was bothering me, so I just retook it. I feel confident for the MCAT. gpa so far is 3.61.
What MCAT or GPA should I get if I want to make it to med school? Thanks.
 
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I have two serious conduct violations. One was DDOSing a school server; all I was doing was testing the server because I was just curious. I therefore, accidently, flooded the server. I didn't know it would shut down. So I had to pay 200 dollars for that. Two was an academic conduct violation for an organic chemistry exam. Couldn't remember two structures so I wrote them down on a sheet of paper. It didn't really help me anyway because I thought that was going to be on the exam, but it wasn't. The DDos happened in spring sophomore year, and the o chem happened in fall junior year. Now I'm a senior and I retook the o chem class and made a A. I am about to take the MCAT, though. I was going to take it beforehand but the F was bothering me, so I just retook it. I feel confident for the MCAT. gpa so far is 3.61.
What MCAT or GPA should I get if I want to make it to med school? Thanks

The second one may be the stake in your coffin - since it happened so recently. I would say you would have grave troubles getting an interview, or any one to touch your application for that matter.

The hacker thing is pretty serious too - hospitals worry about "breach" of their servers where confidential patient data is kept too.
 
The second one may be the stake in your coffin - since it happened so recently. I would say you would have grave troubles getting an interview, or any one to touch your application for that matter.

The hacker thing is pretty serious too - hospitals worry about "breach" of their servers where confidential patient data is kept too.

So do you think I should wait another two years because I'm taking the MCAT this year. I've done some shadowing and community service..etc. Won't adcoms understand that people make mistakes in life? I really have learned from them. Regarding the hacking incident, it's not like I stole anything or intended to steal anything. The second one was so stupid. I could have memorized those in two seconds, but I was really tired that day. I don't drink coffee which is why I was tired.
 
So do you think I should wait another two years because I'm taking the MCAT this year. I've done some shadowing and community service..etc. Won't adcoms understand that people make mistakes in life? I really have learned from them.

One major academic violation is hard to come by - but in your case you have two. There is no way to verify/believe that you were only acting "out of curiosity" and the whole thing was just an accident. Frankly, the hacking thing would to me be a major red flag as well because it seems like you were trying to gain access to something (ie exam) you had no priviledge of.

I would say either get those 2 IAs expunged, or look for another career.
 
I have two serious conduct violations. One was DDOSing a school server; all I was doing was testing the server because I was just curious. I therefore, accidently, flooded the server. I didn't know it would shut down. So I had to pay 200 dollars for that. Two was an academic conduct violation for an organic chemistry exam. Couldn't remember two structures so I wrote them down on a sheet of paper. It didn't really help me anyway because I thought that was going to be on the exam, but it wasn't. The DDos happened in spring sophomore year, and the o chem happened in fall junior year. Now I'm a senior and I retook the o chem class and made a A. I am about to take the MCAT, though. I was going to take it beforehand but the F was bothering me, so I just retook it. I feel confident for the MCAT. gpa so far is 3.61.
What MCAT or GPA should I get if I want to make it to med school? Thanks.


:eyebrow:What the hell is the matter with you? Common sense would tell you not to do that. I'm not about bashing people when they make mistakes but are you serious?
 
I know. I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to hack or steal any exam. That doesn't make sense. I don't know how to do that. It was an accident; I was just stressing the server, to test it. I'm sorry. I didn't know it would shut down forever. I had alot of packets generated on my PC, I didn't realize that I released it in a wave. The hacking incident wasn't an academic violation. I've matured from that incident. It happened like two years ago. The O chem one was just stupidity. I understand and learned from that mistake. All I want to do is become a doctor so I can to help out the U.S army in Afghanistan.
 
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oh so you're trying to say I don't have chance. ok.. i see. what was your MCAT score? I've yet to take mine, but my goal is to beat yours.

Can't speak for kpcrew2oo2, but mine was a 11/12/11 so feel free to try..oh and in case you are curious you can't cheat on the MCAT.

As for your original question, you need to accept that you need a new plan for life. Getting caught attacking a school server & then cheating a year later makes you a pariah...why would any Adcom pick you over the 1000 people they reject that haven't gotten caught cheating??

Edited to add: guess you can try to trump kpcrew's 37, but again you can't cheat so good luck.
 
OP, just in case you are intent on trying to get into medical school you might want to start finding excuses better than being young/dumb.

The DDOS could and likely SHOULD have landed you with a criminal record regardless of your stated intent. You can't excuse criminal activity with the 'everyone makes mistakes'
 
Can't speak for kpcrew2oo2, but mine was a 11/12/11 so feel free to try..oh and in case you are curious you can't cheat on the MCAT.

As for your original question, you need to accept that you need a new plan for life. Getting caught attacking a school server & then cheating a year later makes you a pariah...why would any Adcom pick you over the 1000 people they reject that haven't gotten caught cheating??

Edited to add: guess you can try to trump kpcrew's 37, but again you can't cheat so good luck.

Oh no I can't beat that. I just want to aim for over 30. I was joking in my last comment.

OP, just in case you are intent on trying to get into medical school you might want to start finding excuses better than being young/dumb.

The DDOS could and likely SHOULD have landed you with a criminal record regardless of your stated intent. You can't excuse criminal activity with the 'everyone makes mistakes'

Yeah. I know. I showed them exactly what I did. and they didn't arrest me. I probably could've been arrested. Anyway, what other community service would you recommend?
 
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I know. I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to hack or steal any exam. That doesn't make sense. I don't know how to do that. It was an accident; I was just stressing the server, to test it. I'm sorry. I didn't know it would shut down forever. I had alot of packets generated on my PC, I didn't realize that I released it in a wave. The hacking incident wasn't an academic violation. I've matured from that incident. It happened like two years ago. The O chem one was just stupidity. I understand and learned from that mistake. All I want to do is become a doctor so I can to help out the U.S army in Afghanistan.
Isn't the US planning to have withdrawn all military forces from Afghanistan by 2014?

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if you managed to blacklist yourself with these. I'm no ad-com, but common sense tells me that with the thousands of applicants who apply without black marks on their record for academic misconduct with better grades and MCAT scores, it's going to be hard for you to get much consideration. 3.6/30 is average, and the cheating is going to put you below average.
 
Isn't the US planning to have withdrawn all military forces from Afghanistan by 2014?

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if you managed to blacklist yourself with these. I'm no ad-com, but common sense tells me that with the thousands of applicants who apply without black marks on their record for academic misconduct with better grades and MCAT scores, it's going to be hard for you to get much consideration. 3.6/30 is average, and the cheating is going to put you below average.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/member.php?u=63768
this guy got into med school and he had two cheating incidents(personal problems) that happened within two weeks of each other. and he got F's in both classes. He had a 32 MCAT, and a large amount of community service to show how he regrets the cheating.
 
There are over 37,000 applications for <18,000 slots. Why on earth would a school choose you over one of the equally talented applicants who never hacked a computer and has never been caught bringing a cheat sheet to class? While people can change, there are so many applicants to choose from and so much riding on the decisions, that no adcom wants to take a chance on damaged goods.

Try a career that doesn't require disclosure of academic dishonesty in the application process. Your chances for a MD are non-existent.
 
You sound like you're just fishing for people to pat you on the head and tell you that everything's going to be alright.
 
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/member.php?u=63768
this guy got into med school and he had two cheating incidents(personal problems) that happened within two weeks of each other. and he got F's in both classes. He had a 32 MCAT, and a large amount of community service to show how he regrets the cheating.
Did you also notice how he applied in 2004, 2005 and 2006?

If you want to hang your hat on one person getting into school despite having academic misconduct on his record, feel free to, no one can tell you to do otherwise. Community service in a med school application is not payback for wrongdoing.
 
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Sorry for the dig, but epicprogrammer, judging by your "pressured speech" typing style, and your name, are you more of computer/tech guy, than a hands on stinky sick patients kind of guy?

Lizzy's right on, you're toast. If there's one thing medical schools hate, it's cheaters and liars.

I'd look into computer engineering or computer science over medicine. Something where you aren't interacting with people. I'm guessing it's not your strong suit.
 
Sorry for the dig, but epicprogrammer, judging by your "pressured speech" typing style, and your name, are you more of computer/tech guy, than a hands on stinky sick patients kind of guy?

Lizzy's right on, you're toast. If there's one thing medical schools hate, it's cheaters and liars.

I'd look into computer engineering or computer science over medicine. Something where you aren't interacting with people. I'm guessing it's not your strong suit.

Well I'm already scheduled to take the MCAT. I'll just take it and see how I do. I've studied for it so I'm going to take it. I've done shadowing and community service. I've talked to alot of patients and I think I'm ok interacting with people.
 
Well I'm already scheduled to take the MCAT. I'll just take it and see how I do. I've studied for it so I'm going to take it. I've done shadowing and community service. I've talked to alot of patients and I think I'm ok interacting with people.

EVERYONE has done shadowing and community service. A great MCAT score won't undo academic dishonesty.
 
So do you think I should wait another two years because I'm taking the MCAT this year. I've done some shadowing and community service..etc. Won't adcoms understand that people make mistakes in life? I really have learned from them. Regarding the hacking incident, it's not like I stole anything or intended to steal anything. The second one was so stupid. I could have memorized those in two seconds, but I was really tired that day. I don't drink coffee which is why I was tired.
Mistakes would be locking your keys in your car.

"Youthful indiscretions" might be getting caught with a beer in your dorm room.

Committing crimes (DDOS) and academic dishonesty (cheating) usually don't qualify as mistakes. I'd be surprised if you could find a school willing to overlook these things.
 
If you really want to show you are sorry what you did and you have a desire to go to war in Afghanistan then do that. A positive military record might be able to undo a few serious infractions during your undergrad years.
 
The second one was so stupid. I could have memorized those in two seconds, but I was really tired that day. I don't drink coffee which is why I was tired.

You're giving excuses for why you cheated? You didn't cheat because you were sleepy...you cheated because you chose to. Your actions, and your attitude towards them now, show a flaw of moral character that I doubt any school will overlook, nor should they.
 
You're giving excuses for why you cheated? You didn't cheat because you were sleepy...you cheated because you chose to. Your actions, and your attitude towards them now, show a flaw of moral character that I doubt any school will overlook, nor should they.

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OP, you're toast, dude. Done. I'd say pretty much charred black.

You have TWO major offenses within a few months of each other and both are recent. You show NO remorse. You show NO evidence of having taken responsibility for what YOU did.

Frankly, a 45T on the MCAT (which less than 1 in 1,000 people achieve) wouldn't get you past what you've done. The MCAT won't be what keeps you out, therefore a perfect MCAT (and a perfect GPA) would never get you in.
 
OP the issue is not your MCAT score dude it's more of a flaw in your character. You have to do something to redeem your character not your academic skill. Therefore, even perfecting the MCAT would be absolutely useless. Maybe you can go with a volunteer service to Africa or work a couple years with Red cross to build back your character until then I don't think you have a 1 x 10 ^-20 % chance of getting accepted even with a 45 T
 
OP, let's put things in perspective.

The following are the top 20 most important qualities medical schools look for (per the 2009 AAMC survey). I have listed them in order of importance per the survey:

Integrity
Critical thinking
Professionalism
Motivation for medicine
Reliability
Integrating information
Logical reasoning
Personal maturity
Work habits
Teamwork
Compassion
Self discipline
Oral communication
Intellectual curiosity
Scientific reasoning
Verbal reasoning
Adaptability
Resilience
Persistence
Cultural competence


Now consider where you stand on each. It is evident from your posts that you are, at minimum, highly deficient in the following:

Integrity (#1)
Professionalism (#3)
Logical reasoning (#7)
Personal maturity (#8)
Self discipline (#11)
Intellectual curiosity (#14)
Verbal reasoning (#16)
Adaptability (#17)

With those marks against you -- esp. the integrity, maturity, adaptability and professionalism issues -- I'd strongly urge you to pursue a less selective profession. Due to the hacking background, computer science might not be such a good choice. We do need tradespeople. Perhaps something technical but away from modern technology such as plumbing would be a good, safe alternative for you.
 
OP, let's put things in perspective.

The following are the top 20 most important qualities medical schools look for (per the 2009 AAMC survey). I have listed them in order of importance per the survey:

Integrity
Critical thinking
Professionalism
Motivation for medicine
Reliability
Integrating information
Logical reasoning
Personal maturity
Work habits
Teamwork
Compassion
Self discipline
Oral communication
Intellectual curiosity
Scientific reasoning
Verbal reasoning
Adaptability
Resilience
Persistence
Cultural competence


Now consider where you stand on each. It is evident from your posts that you are, at minimum, highly deficient in the following:

Integrity (#1)
Professionalism (#3)
Logical reasoning (#7)
Personal maturity (#8)
Self discipline (#11)
Intellectual curiosity (#14)
Verbal reasoning (#16)
Adaptability (#17)

With those marks against you -- esp. the integrity, maturity, adaptability and professionalism issues -- I'd strongly urge you to pursue a less selective profession. Due to the hacking background, computer science might not be such a good choice. We do need tradespeople. Perhaps something technical but away from modern technology such as plumbing would be a good, safe alternative for you.

My major is chemistry and biology, though or I'll probably just be college janitor after I take the MCAT and graduate. That's a fulfilling career and like you said, a safe alternative.
 
My major is chemistry and biology, though or I'll probably just be college janitor after I take the MCAT and graduate. That's a fulfilling career and like you said, a safe alternative.

I was serious about going into the army. They are supposed to instill a lot of things that people seem to think you are in want of. It's only four years, plus they would probably pay for med school afterwards. You would come away with some great experiences to talk about and could get some great LOR to supplement the not so great ones you would get now.
 
My major is chemistry and biology, though or I'll probably just be college janitor after I take the MCAT and graduate. That's a fulfilling career and like you said, a safe alternative.


Obviously, there was some hyperbole in my post, but you'll be limited as chem and bio. I would expect the academic dishonesty might follow you into research if you go the academic route and the hacking will likely keep you out of healthcare professions if they find out. You really are lucky they didn't arrest you. Did they charge you for the hacking?
 
I was serious about going into the army. They are supposed to instill a lot of things that people seem to think you are in want of. It's only four years, plus they would probably pay for med school afterwards. You would come away with some great experiences to talk about and could get some great LOR to supplement the not so great ones you would get now.

there's actually a nice article in last week's time talking about what vets are doing after their service that you might be interested in.
 
Obviously, there was some hyperbole in my post, but you'll be limited as chem and bio. I would expect the academic dishonesty might follow you into research if you go the academic route and the hacking will likely keep you out of healthcare professions if they find out. You really are lucky they didn't arrest you. Did they charge you for the hacking?

No. This is what happened. I developed a stress tool(client) using open source and it for my web server, and then I used the wrong port and ip address, by accident and then all of sudden the internet wasn't working so got scared and told an administrator that I did this by accident. and internet wasn't working on there end either. So I was sent to the Dean and I told him what I did. I had to pay for the damage and community service, and I got a warning by the Dean about computer policy.
 
No. This is what happened. I developed a stress tool(client) using open source and it for my web server, and then I used the wrong port and ip address, by accident and then all of sudden the internet wasn't working so got scared and told an administrator that I did this by accident. and internet wasn't working on there end either. So I was sent to the Dean and I told him what I did. I had to pay for the damage and community service, and I got a warning by the Dean about computer policy.

You accidently and coincidentally nailed the IP of your school's server? Yeah. 🙄
 
...and further, what possible productive reason could you have for developing a DDOS script?

It wasn't a DDOS, it was actually a DOS. oops. wrong terminology. Yeah like I said, I was just testing a web server, I had created. Most small websites are easily vulnerable and I just wanted to test it.
The Dean sent me to the department and told me to fix it. so I did. He watched me. It worked afterwards, but then I was told to pay for the damage.
 
Yes, by default, it already had the ip/net address of the school on there. When you connect to the internet, it refreshes.

Not to delve into a petty argument with you, but what was 'it'? Your script? Your local machine is designated a local and dynamic IP, not the IP of your entire institution (though there are ways, as you figured out, of collecting that information).
 
Not to delve into a petty argument with you, but what was 'it'? Your script? Your local machine is designated a local and dynamic IP, not the IP of your entire institution (though there are ways, as you figured out, of collecting that information).

no because of the large amount of resources my computer was using, the internet crashed. I was shocked that their POS internet crashed all of sudden.
 
.... I developed a stress tool(client) using open source and it for my web server, and then I used the wrong port and ip address, by accident and then all of sudden the internet wasn't working so got scared and....

You are not helping your argument.

Now now only do you cheat in Chemistry; you apparently suck with computers as well. I have a BS in Computer Science and a have been working with computers since before Gore invented the Internet; and I have never 'accidentally' crashed a web server.
 
Your chances for a MD are non-existent.

I think that is a little harsh. You are probably right about the next couple cycles, but it doesn't mean the OP can't ever become a physician. What he needs to do is put some significant distance between himself and these events. Something on the order of years. He could graduate school and do research for a couple years, become an EMT, LPN, RN, paramedic, etc. The only thing that is absolutely certain is that he has created an uphill battle for himself, and his resolve to go to medical school will be thoroughly tested over the next few years.

Agreed that applying this (or next) cycle is very likely a waste of time and money.
 
The second one was so stupid. I could have memorized those in two seconds, but I was really tired that day. I don't drink coffee which is why I was tired.

I always have a hard time believing that people only cheat once. What you mean to say is that it's the first time you got caught.

It could be a long road for you.
 
Yes, I know it's going to be a long road. There's no point saying that I've haven't cheated before, because no one will believe me anyway. I'm just going to take the MCAT first, and see how much I've learned. I'll post what I got on here, and then I'll move on from there. I know I won't make it these next few cycles, but I'm prob. going to have to figure something out. Thanks for giving me advice, everyone. I'll probably do research and if that doesn't work, i'll volunteer redcross or at my university(peacecorps or something), and maybe i'll work volunteer as a janitor. (cleaning the computers).
 
Yes, I know it's going to be a long road. There's no point saying that I've haven't cheated before, because no one will believe me anyway. I'm just going to take the MCAT first, and see how much I've learned. I'll post what I got on here, and then I'll move on from there. I know I won't make it these next few cycles, but I'm prob. going to have to figure something out. Thanks for giving me advice, everyone. I'll probably do research and if that doesn't work, i'll volunteer redcross or at my university(peacecorps or something), and maybe i'll work volunteer as a janitor. (cleaning the computers).

Your mcat scores might expire before you can do enough character-building EC's, so cancelling might be worth it. You're not going to get in in the near future without very serious repair.
 
Your mcat scores might expire before you can do enough character-building EC's, so cancelling might be worth it. You're not going to get in in the near future without very serious repair.

Yeah this is what I was going to say. Your MCAT scores are only good for 2-3 cycles. That is not enough time to repair the damage you've done. Take the MCAT if you want to for fun, but know that you won't be able to apply with it.

And I agree with Lizzy & almost everybody else here that your chances are close to nill, simply because of the competition. They will never take you over someone who hasn't cheated in the last 3 years.

If you come back in 7 years having cured cancer and scored a 42, then maybe you've got a shot, but until then, you need to redirect your efforts. Sorry dude, it's harsh, but it's the truth.
 
looks like you are heading to the caribbean

I knew a fellow student who had a 3.8c/3.75s and a 35 MCAT and had a drunken bar fight assault charge and he was denied 3 cycles in a row without being offered even an interview. Five years later he finally convinced a caribbean school to let him in at a meeting with its adcom
 
I have two serious conduct violations. One was DDOSing a school server; all I was doing was testing the server because I was just curious. I therefore, accidently, flooded the server. I didn't know it would shut down. So I had to pay 200 dollars for that. Two was an academic conduct violation for an organic chemistry exam. Couldn't remember two structures so I wrote them down on a sheet of paper. It didn't really help me anyway because I thought that was going to be on the exam, but it wasn't. The DDos happened in spring sophomore year, and the o chem happened in fall junior year. Now I'm a senior and I retook the o chem class and made a A. I am about to take the MCAT, though. I was going to take it beforehand but the F was bothering me, so I just retook it. I feel confident for the MCAT. gpa so far is 3.61.
What MCAT or GPA should I get if I want to make it to med school? Thanks.

Can you lead my WoW guild?
 
There are over 37,000 applications for <18,000 slots. Why on earth would a school choose you over one of the equally talented applicants who never hacked a computer and has never been caught bringing a cheat sheet to class? While people can change, there are so many applicants to choose from and so much riding on the decisions, that no adcom wants to take a chance on damaged goods.

Try a career that doesn't require disclosure of academic dishonesty in the application process. Your chances for a MD are non-existent.
I lol'd

...and further, what possible productive reason could you have for developing a DDOS script?
I take it you haven't ever worked in the computer industry. This is a very common internal practice by sysadmins to stress test their systems. If Toyota was about to put out a new webserver, you can bet they'd want to see what type of load it can handle. DDOS, which is just one way to stress a server set up, has lots of valid professional uses.
That said, OP doesn't sound like his was valid.
 
There's a huge problem with your line of thinking here, so I'll put it in other words.

What's the difference between manslaughter and murder?

Your acts were PREMEDITATED. You MADE that cheat sheet before class and you obviously PLANNED that DDOS knowing it was illegal. It's not like you accidently wandered your eyes during a test or got in a drunken brawl. You knew exactly what you were doing and that it was illegal. This is why your situation is so problematic. I'd say if you really want to go into the medical field, aim for a DNP or something.
 
One was DDOSing a school server; all I was doing was testing the server because I was just curious. I therefore, accidently, flooded the server. I didn't know it would shut down.
Here OP claims he used a DDOS software on the school's server out of curiosity.
I know. I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to hack or steal any exam. That doesn't make sense. I don't know how to do that. It was an accident; I was just stressing the server, to test it. I'm sorry. I didn't know it would shut down forever. I had alot of packets generated on my PC, I didn't realize that I released it in a wave.
Here OP again claims he was testing the school's server, but he also claims the server shut down forever.
No. This is what happened. I developed a stress tool(client) using open source and it for my web server, and then I used the wrong port and ip address, by accident and then all of sudden the internet wasn't working so got scared and told an administrator that I did this by accident. and internet wasn't working on there end either. So I was sent to the Dean and I told him what I did. I had to pay for the damage and community service, and I got a warning by the Dean about computer policy.
Here OP changes the story to claim he was not trying to test the school's server. He also claims that he had to pay to have the server fixed.
It wasn't a DDOS, it was actually a DOS. oops. wrong terminology. Yeah like I said, I was just testing a web server, I had created. Most small websites are easily vulnerable and I just wanted to test it.
The Dean sent me to the department and told me to fix it. so I did. He watched me. It worked afterwards, but then I was told to pay for the damage.
Here OP claims he was testing his own web server. He also claims he fixed the servers himself and then paid for damage.

These posts show pretty clearly different stories to me. They range from a deliberate attack that permanently destroyed the school's servers to accidental damage that OP fixed himself and then paid a fine for.

I am pretty sure OP is a troll.
 
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