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People say it doesn't matter where you go to school. People also say if you had the choice, don't go to a new school. How does this make any sense? My personal opinion is with the exception of 2 or 3 schools, no new schools have been created in the last 20-25 years (obviously making more now), so how can anyone say there is bias against people from newer schools? If you do well, get good LOR's, score 235+ on step 1, what is stopping you?
 
People say it doesn't matter where you go to school. People also say if you had the choice, don't go to a new school. How does this make any sense? My personal opinion is with the exception of 2 or 3 schools, no new schools have been created in the last 20-25 years (obviously making more now), so how can anyone say there is bias against people from newer schools? If you do well, get good LOR's, score 235+ on step 1, what is stopping you?
no connections. in this business who you know is more important than what you know.
 
But if you go to a relatively no name school its not like youd know the people at the big academic institutions anyway, so whats the difference?
 
But if you go to a relatively no name school its not like youd know the people at the big academic institutions anyway, so whats the difference?

The difference is that graduates from that no name school are still SOMEWHERE. You still have a network to tap into. There might be one or two people at the big academic institution. There might be tons in private practice, residency programs, community programs, etc.

You can still go to a no name med school and end up at the big academic institution. It's all about how you navigate the no name med school - do research, network at conferences, shine on your rotations, be compassionate with your patients, and do an away rotation at the big academic institution and establish contacts while there.

Bottom line is - who you know matters as much as what you know. Who you know can open the door, but what you know gets you through that door. Knowing someone is better than knowing no one (being from a brand new school). It's really quite simple.
 
Being compassionate with your patients and passionate about medicine goes without saying, regardless of where you end up. You might be pursuing the wrong business if this is not appealing.
 
Im not saying I necessarily want to end up at a big name academic institution, I was just wondering why people say both of these things. Isn't what that away rotations are for? I'm just wondering because I have been accepted to both a new school and a "low tier" public school and like the new school a lot better. I just dont want it "barring me" per se from residency choice when the time comes to decide what I want to do exactly. Is the opinion generally to "never go to a new school"? I just think I'd succeed a lot better there
 
Im not saying I necessarily want to end up at a big name academic institution, I was just wondering why people say both of these things. Isn't what that away rotations are for? I'm just wondering because I have been accepted to both a new school and a "low tier" public school and like the new school a lot better. I just dont want it "barring me" per se from residency choice when the time comes to decide what I want to do exactly. Is the opinion generally to "never go to a new school"? I just think I'd succeed a lot better there

There's new and there's new. Personally I don't think I'd be willing to be the first or second class at a school. Just not interested in being a guinea pig. 3rd or 4th class is a greyer area and then by the time the first class has matched whatever.

It's still a bit of a disadvantage to not have an alumni network/school reputation to tap into, but being happier counts for a lot too. If you think you would do better in the new school's environment then go to the new school.

Every school has advantages and disadvantages, new schools just have a particular disadvantage that's obvious. It doesn't mean that no one should go to them or that other schools won't have corresponding disadvantages for a particular candidate.
 
Part of the problem with new schools is that the alumni of that school have no history. In other words, if I'm a program director at a residency program interviewing an applicant that's coming from a medical school's first class (or even first few classes), I have absolutely no idea what the quality of the training is like because I haven't had the chance to interact with any of their graduates. This is one way by which schools develop reputations. A school that consistently produces medical students that become good residents has a good reputation. New schools don't have such a history - good or bad.
 
Residency directors care #1 about board scores. I don't have the list of things they like right in front of me, but I don't think ""where you went to med school" is even on the list!

I'll try to dig up the reference later.

A new school is best for people who don't mind being pioneers, or are self-starters. The downside is that the Faculty have to sort things out as to what and how to teach. If you're good at self-study, you'll be fine. If you need things spoon-fed to you, then a more established school is more optimal.

People say it doesn't matter where you go to school. People also say if you had the choice, don't go to a new school. How does this make any sense? My personal opinion is with the exception of 2 or 3 schools, no new schools have been created in the last 20-25 years (obviously making more now), so how can anyone say there is bias against people from newer schools? If you do well, get good LOR's, score 235+ on step 1, what is stopping you?
 
Those are the kind of answers I'm looking for! Thanks guys. Does anyone else have any input?
 
Residency directors care #1 about board scores. I don't have the list of things they like right in front of me, but I don't think ""where you went to med school" is even on the list!

I'll try to dig up the reference later.

So if a student comes from LUCOM versus one from a well established DO program and is applying for a residency at your hospital, it would make no difference to you?
 
Residency directors care #1 about board scores. I don't have the list of things they like right in front of me, but I don't think ""where you went to med school" is even on the list!

I'll try to dig up the reference later.

A new school is best for people who don't mind being pioneers, or are self-starters. The downside is that the Faculty have to sort things out as to what and how to teach. If you're good at self-study, you'll be fine. If you need things spoon-fed to you, then a more established school is more optimal.
http://www.nrmp.org/match-data/main-residency-match-data/
Survey Reports -> Results of 2012 Program Directors Survey

One of the factors cited is "Graduate of Highly Regarded US medical school"
 
People say it doesn't matter where you go to school. People also say if you had the choice, don't go to a new school. How does this make any sense? My personal opinion is with the exception of 2 or 3 schools, no new schools have been created in the last 20-25 years (obviously making more now), so how can anyone say there is bias against people from newer schools? If you do well, get good LOR's, score 235+ on step 1, what is stopping you?
You can get in anywhere from a new school, but it'll be harder. They probably won't have good connections for helping you set up away rotations, your regular rotations will be new and thus the staff will still be learning how to teach, and the professors in your classes will also be still finding their stride in the teaching department. You know what you're getting with an established school. New schools are sort of a wildcard. Do you want to roll those dice if you don't have to?
 
Congratulations on your acceptances. Properly weigh your options and your reasons for liking/not liking the schools. Not wanting to be a guinea pig doesn't mean you want to be spoon fed. Talk to med students, residents, and physicians (preferrably more recent grads) about what are realistic indices and signs of success at a med school. (in other words, how do you know you will be successful at the new school?)

I've tutored M1s and M2s who started med school with great GPAs from college, all-stars, go getters, and student leaders in college, who failed a class or two because of significant curriculum changes (at an established med school). I can only imagine what their experience would have been like in a brand spanking new school.
Yes, residency programs care about board scores a lot. At a brand new school, if the class doesn't do well on boards, that failure still falls on the student's record - and bites them in the arse when it comes to residency application season. Whether or not it was due to the curriculum.

Personally, I hate spoon feeding. But when it comes to medical education, I would rather know what I am getting into before I dive in. I'd rather know a school's record on board pass rates and residency match history. To me, not having these (and not being an established school) are deal breakers. But maybe not for you. And maybe being a self-learner will get you by... but chances are that's not you.
A way they can make up for not having that information is by maybe offering a free or discounted subscription to UWorld, and access to academic support in case their curriculum doesn't fit my learning style.
They can maybe make up for the lack of residency match history if they recruit faculty members who trained in different geographical regions and have academic connections there. They can establish relationships with teaching/academic hospitals to send students there for rotations. These give you a chance to collect mentors and advisors who have ties elsewhere and are willing to write a letter for you. Etc etc etc.

Find out why the school has decided on the curriculum it has. Check how the new school plans to handle the first two years, step 1 and step 2 ck prep, core clinical rotations, and opportunities for away rotations and/or independent student projects. Talk to medical students and residents, compare this to their experience. (The reason I don't say talk to physicians here is because medical education has changed quite a bit in the past 10 years and it might be an apples to oranges comparison).

The fact that the "low tier" school is a state school makes no difference. You believe you will be successful at the new school, but what makes you think you won't be successful at the established school? They are both essentially "low-tier." Get past the "low-tier" status. What's more important is, are the students happy? Med school is draining - will you have a support system while there? What's their average step 1 and step 2? where do students go for residency, and in what fields? how did last year's class do in the match? do students make time to do activities they enjoy? How does the school approach communication skills, professionalism, systems based practice, etc etc all those core competencies?

It's a tough decision. But you have a good problem. You're going to be a doctor. Talk to your mentors. Here on SDN, we don't know the whole story and we don't know you. Talk to people who know you and can help identify what is best for you.
 
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