COVID Pandemic Exposes the Ugly Secrets Hidden in America’s Healthcare System

[deleted480308]

“Poor job” exist with private entities too. But you turn blind eye to them because it suits your philosophy. If something is poor, fix it. If your house gets dirty, will you clean it or move to a different house?

The difference is that if a private entity does a poor job of something the customers just stop showing up and it loses market share and dies. When the govt does a bad job, they just keep doing a bad job and use more govt to make the people pay for their crap job.

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[deleted927028]

Capitalism has fixed more problems than any other system out there. Not even disputable. Cronyism is bad but making the US socialist isn’t going to fix anything

This is the major problem with our thinking. If it is capitalism, we think only 100% capitalism is good, anything less is socialism. Capitalism is good for many aspects (mostly for wants where demand is elastic). Socialism is good for many things (mostly for essential goods and services where demand is inelastic with raising prices). In some cases, both need to coexist. That’s how it has been in Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand. They are not by no means socialist or communist countries. In America, if you have public funded free education from k-12 grades, it is capitalism but if you talk about giving four more years of the same, you become evil socialist.

 

[deleted927028]

The difference is that if a private entity does a poor job of something the customers just stop showing up and it loses market share and dies. When the govt does a bad job, they just keep doing a bad job and use more govt to make the people pay for their crap job.

This just a propaganda and lie spread by the conservatives and libertarians. I see no difference at all between private or public. I have worked on both sides for a long time.

 

[deleted480308]

This just a propaganda and lie spread by the conservatives and libertarians. I see no difference at all between private or public. I have worked on both sides for a long time.

a private company can't take my house if I decide I don't want to purchase a service from them, a private industry can't garnish my wages via taxes if I don't want to buy a service a from them, if a private company that I don't want to do business with runs out of money they don't get to tell me to pay them anyway

they are absolutely different

 

[Mad Jack]

Except they don’t universally say that

Most of them though, most of them do

 

[FutureInternist]

Go ask anyone from a country with nationalized healthcare if they would prefer it privatized. Universally they will say nah

The ones who can afford it... likely. But that still leaves millions who would not have any access were it not for NHS etc.

Some folks can have ferraris while others ride horses, or we can all have toyotas.

 

[FutureInternist]

a private company can't take my house if I decide I don't want to purchase a service from them, a private industry can't garnish my wages via taxes if I don't want to buy a service a from them, if a private company that I don't want to do business with runs out of money they don't get to tell me to pay them anyway

they are absolutely different

Except the current (and many many previous) bailouts did just that... take your money and give it to companies.
So... may as well vote for people who help underserved rather than huge corporations.

 

[FutureInternist]

No. Above I said 100% unbridled capitalism is not good. We do need both to coexist yes. Our public education system sucks compared to many top countries. It is a problem that could be fixed but the government seems unable to do so. I would not toss them our healthcare if they cannot adequately perform education.

Certain parts (namely Republicans) seem unwilling to do so.
Since the “gain” on these investments is years away, and since kids can’t vote, there is little incentive to help them.
But, as always, theres billions and billions for corporations and tax cuts.

 

[FutureInternist]

Is it really that common choosing between food and meds? I hear it all the time, I’m sure it exists but it seems to pan out more to the effect of non compliance and choosing between cigs and meds than food and meds. At least for the run of the mill stuff like HTN dm etc most of the meds are not expensive. But where do we draw the line between personal responsibilities and govt handouts? Funding generic only midlevel mostly basic care? Maybe..... But subsidizing obesity, lack of willpower, non compliance, and healthcare abuse due to patients not having skin the game? That will never have my vote.

the former I may say yes to not because I feel bad for ole Betty not being able to afford her 4 dollar meds, but to save the govt money and allow us to not pay more taxes when Betty gets admitted for high blood sugar cuz her pack of smokes was > her meds.

Same example I used before... if I see 10 people drowning and I have 25 floaties, I not going to be bothered if 1 of those 10, got themselves into that situation stupidly, and “deserve” what they get.

I rather help save the minority that is “won’t work” if I get to help save the “can’t work”.

I need to learn how to do multiquotes on phone

 

[deleted480308]

Except the current (and many many previous) bailouts did just that... take your money and give it to companies.
So... may as well vote for people who help underserved rather than huge corporations.

False choice fallacy....tell the govt to stop moving our money around. Just don’t take mine and I don’t have to have the argument about how gets it

 

[deleted480308]

Same example I used before... if I see 10 people drowning and I have 25 floaties, I not going to be bothered if 1 of those 10, got themselves into that situation stupidly, and “deserve” what they get.

I rather help save the minority that is “won’t work” if I get to help save the “can’t work”.

I need to learn how to do multiquotes on phone

The better question is “does everyone else in town have to keep buying all those floaties for people in the water”?
No

 

[FutureInternist]

The better question is “does everyone else in town have to keep buying all those floaties for people in the water”?
No

And thats the fundamental difference.. I say we should and when we don’t I am OK with my $ being taken to help them.
Its going to get taken regardless, so may as well help those who actually need it, rather than corporations.

 

[deleted480308]

And thats the fundamental difference.. I say we should and when we don’t I am OK with my $ being taken to help them.
Its going to get taken regardless, so may as well help those who actually need it, rather than corporations.

Nope, I’m not accepting the premise that taking less money is impossible

 

[FutureInternist]

Nope, I’m not accepting the premise that taking less money is impossible

I didn’t say less was impossible...but your arguments lead me to think your version is as close to zero as can be and my position is that that is not possible in order to have the essential governmental services that we NEED.

And since you mentioned this in another comment re - paying taxes so you were OK with police helping you, there is no way you have paid enough taxes to sustain a whole police department. Nor enough to sustain a school, but your kids went there, nor enough to sustain a waste management department, yet you use those services etc etc.

Is your solution to have a running tally of how much of your taxes went to which service, to then determine whether the cop uses 2 or 3 bullets on the burglars before saying “That’s all you get” and leaving? or the more sane and practical way in which everyone pays into it, you hope you never have to use it, but if you do, there is no limit placed on it, based on your ability to pay?

If corporations didn’t have access to lobbyists (and hence politicians), that then allow them to make very favourable laws and we didn’t have all the loopholes, and everyone just paid what they owe, (I’m all for a flat rate IF the corporations actually pay it and not the ~ 3% that Amazon paid last year) most of the needed $ wouldn’t be an issue.
But again, the laws are designed to help the rich, and since that is unlikely to change any time soon, my position is that we may as well help the needy as well, and maybe if we invest enough in them then they will bring about the needed changes once they are in a position to do so, and if not, then we just keep helping the needy... no strings attached.

 

[FutureInternist]

There is a pretty big group of people out there that won’t work till their tiny growls.

I didn’t get this comment.

 

[FutureInternist]

Except I am not forced to fund said entity and I can take my business elsewhere

Until Walmart, Amazon etc become the only game in town (as is the case in many places) and then you have no choice.

 

[deleted480308]

I didn’t say less was impossible...but your arguments lead me to think your version is as close to zero as can be and my position is that that is not possible in order to have the essential governmental services that we NEED.

And since you mentioned this in another comment re - paying taxes so you were OK with police helping you, there is no way you have paid enough taxes to sustain a whole police department. Nor enough to sustain a school, but your kids went there, nor enough to sustain a waste management department, yet you use those services etc etc.

Is your solution to have a running tally of how much of your taxes went to which service, to then determine whether the cop uses 2 or 3 bullets on the burglars before saying “That’s all you get” and leaving? or the more sane and practical way in which everyone pays into it, you hope you never have to use it, but if you do, there is no limit placed on it, based on your ability to pay?

If corporations didn’t have access to lobbyists (and hence politicians), that then allow them to make very favourable laws and we didn’t have all the loopholes, and everyone just paid what they owe, (I’m all for a flat rate IF the corporations actually pay it and not the ~ 3% that Amazon paid last year) most of the needed $ wouldn’t be an issue.
But again, the laws are designed to help the rich, and since that is unlikely to change any time soon, my position is that we may as well help the needy as well, and maybe if we invest enough in them then they will bring about the needed changes once they are in a position to do so, and if not, then we just keep helping the needy... no strings attached.

You talk like you have never made a budget for a company or planned payroll expenses

Govt is not the appropriate venue for charity as govt has none of its own money to donate, if you want to do charity you should be donating your own money voluntarily (I do)

 

[deleted480308]

Until Walmart, Amazon etc become the only game in town (as is the case in many places) and then you have no choice.

There are still choices, you don’t actually have to use either right now

 

[FutureInternist]

You talk like you have never made a budget for a company or planned payroll expenses

Govt is not the appropriate venue for charity as govt has none of its own money to donate, if you want to do charity you should be donating your own money voluntarily (I do)

Completely ignoring the fact that these services are not charity, but the fundamental service that governments need to provide, you still haven’t addressed how you propose to allocate how much of said service goes into protecting your family (or keeping them alive) before we say that’s it and send the cops home or unplug you from the vent.

 

[deleted480308]

Completely ignoring the fact that these services are not charity, but the fundamental service that governments need to provide, you still haven’t addressed how you propose to allocate how much of said service goes into protecting your family (or keeping them alive) before we say that’s it and send the cops home or unplug you from the vent.

The govt shouldn’t be paying for vent time. That was easy

I’m fine with taxes being used to pay for police because police area legitimatefunction of govt. We literally don’t allow people to “take the law in their ownhands” so we have to either change that or fund the police generally

 

[FutureInternist]

The govt shouldn’t be paying for vent time. That was easy

I’m fine with taxes being used to pay for police because police area legitimatefunction of govt. We literally don’t allow people to “take the law in their ownhands” so we have to either change that or fund the police generally

Easy to say for now, but I guarantee that if a hospital is talking about taking your spouse or kid off a vent because you can’t pay (or insurance ran out), you will be singing a different tune.

You perseverate on police, maybe because you think it is an essential function of the gov, but how do waste management get funded? firefighters? schools?

Sorry sb247 Jr your parent’s taxes only amount to enough for you to be taught English twice a week for 3 months, and after that you’re on your own?

Thankfully, that will never happen and maybe with enough investment in people (rather than corporations), we an actually lift people out of poverty, rather than keeping them under the thumb of companies that barely pay anything and the (usually Republican) politicians that keep it that way.

 

[deleted480308]

Easy to say for now, but I guarantee that if a hospital is talking about taking your spouse or kid off a vent because you can’t pay (or insurance ran out), you will be singing a different tune.

You perseverate on police, maybe because you think it is an essential function of the gov, but how do waste management get funded? firefighters? schools?

Sorry sb247 Jr your parent’s taxes only amount to enough for you to be taught English twice a week for 3 months, and after that you’re on your own?

Thankfully, that will never happen and maybe with enough investment in people (rather than corporations), we an actually lift people out of poverty, rather than keeping them under the thumb of companies that barely pay anything and the (usually Republican) politicians that keep it that way.

You really underestimate the principles of others.
I keep mentioning polic because you kept asking about them.

 

[FutureInternist]

You really underestimate the principles of others.
I keep mentioning polic because you kept asking about them.

Again...you avoid the other services that are mentioned.
Is your vision that we have a school system that is paid for only by the people who’s kids are there.. cos thats not going to create even further inequality at all .

And waste management? And libraries?

And the same unanswered Q remains, are you OK with police using only 2 bullets to try and save you ‘cos thats all that your portion of taxes have paid for?

And as for principles, you are right, that I will have no way of knowing if you stick to them or not when your family is dying... only you will. And if that happens, and if you do what most sane humans WILL do (ie try whatever they can to save their family), then be sure to come back here and let us know.
Like the “there’s no atheists in foxholes” there’s no pure capitalists when your family is dying.

 

[deleted480308]

Again...you avoid the other services that are mentioned.
Is your vision that we have a school system that is paid for only by the people who’s kids are there.. cos thats not going to create even further inequality at all .

And waste management? And libraries?

And the same unanswered Q remains, are you OK with police using only 2 bullets to try and save you ‘cos thats all that your portion of taxes have paid for?

And as for principles, you are right, that I will have no way of knowing if you stick to them or not when your family is dying... only you will. And if that happens, and if you do what most sane humans WILL do (ie try whatever they can to save their family), then be sure to come back here and let us know.
Like the “there’s no atheists in foxholes” there’s no pure capitalists when your family is dying.

You build a lot of strawmen, it’s annoying.

I don’t actually think we need tax funded primary schools but we have them. It is what it is. I think if primary education is going to be tax funded it would be more effective to do a voucher system, but again it is what it is

I don’t think waste management needs to be tax funded. In most municipalities that have govt involved it’s actually a fee for service in the form of property fee/tax anyway and we should just let private companiescompete for the business.

I don’t think we should have publicly funded libraries

I don’t understand why you keep asking me if I want police to stop in the middle of something over billing. I’ve said repeatedly now that police are a legitimate function of govt that are appropriately finded through taxes.

You might not have treated many JW patients if you think everyone will do whatever it takes to save themselves and their family, they aren’t my people but your unfamiliarity with people who will follow their principles to the grave doesn’t erase their existence

 

[FutureInternist]

You build a lot of strawmen, it’s annoying.

I don’t actually think we need tax funded primary schools but we have them. It is what it is. I think if primary education is going to be tax funded it would be more effective to do a voucher system, but again it is what it is

I don’t think waste management needs to be tax funded. In most municipalities that have govt involved it’s actually a fee for service in the form of property fee/tax anyway and we should just let private companiescompete for the business.

I don’t think we should have publicly funded libraries

I don’t understand why you keep asking me if I want police to stop in the middle of something over billing. I’ve said repeatedly now that police are a legitimate function of govt that are appropriately finded through taxes.

You might not have treated many JW patients if you think everyone will do whatever it takes to save themselves and their family, they aren’t my people but your unfamiliarity with people who will follow their principles to the grave doesn’t erase their existence

And I am saying that the other functions you so casually are tossing away are also legitimate functions of government.

You have (and continue to) use said functions despite your opposition, but when your life is on the line, that’s when you will stand on principles.

The reason I bring up the stopping in the middle of a robbery scenario, is because you have repeatedly stated that you didn’t want your taxes going towards X, but you were OK with police, and I am saying that just as you are relying on others people taxes to fund the police to a level that they can function 24/7, in the same way, other ESSENTIAL functions are paid for by your taxes.

Its a fund that you pay into, hope you never have to use, but if in trouble, then its there, regardless of your ability to pay. (Although I would argue that food and shelter should be much higher kn the list of functions that people consider legitimate/essential)

As for JW’s, I would think there may be a slight difference in pissing off a god and damning yourself to hell for all eternity vs letting someone else pay for your loved one’s care. (thats a real “jumping the shark” comment in your argument BTW)

 

[deleted480308]

And I am saying that the other functions you so casually are tossing away are also legitimate functions of government.

You have (and continue to) use said functions despite your opposition, but when your life is on the line, that’s when you will stand on principles.

The reason I bring up the stopping in the middle of a robbery scenario, is because you have repeatedly stated that you didn’t want your taxes going towards X, but you were OK with police, and I am saying that just as you are relying on others people taxes to fund the police to a level that they can function 24/7, in the same way, other ESSENTIAL functions are paid for by your taxes.

Its a fund that you pay into, hope you never have to use, but if in trouble, then its there, regardless of your ability to pay. (Although I would argue that food and shelter should be much higher kn the list of functions that people consider legitimate/essential)

As for JW’s, I would think there may be a slight difference in pissing off a god and damning yourself to hell for all eternity vs letting someone else pay for your loved one’s care. (thats a real “jumping the shark” comment in your argument BTW)

We have drastically different views of essential services

I consider theft to be wrong. Tax funded health care isn’t “letting” someone else pay for your care, it’s forcing them to under threat of gunpoint

 

[deleted927028]

We have drastically different views of essential services

I consider theft to be wrong. Tax funded health care isn’t “letting” someone else pay for your care, it’s forcing them to under threat of gunpoint

Why don’t you pay for and have your own police? Why do you expect others to pay for your protection? I thought you were a libertarian.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Why don’t you pay for and have your own police? Why do you expect others to pay for your protection? I thought you were a libertarian.

I don't think you get libertarians

 

[deleted927028]

We have drastically different views of essential services

I consider theft to be wrong. Tax funded health care isn’t “letting” someone else pay for your care, it’s forcing them to under threat of gunpoint

You are saying that theft is wrong. The entire US healthcare system is theft. How come you vehemently defend it?

 

[deleted480308]

Why don’t you pay for and have your own police? Why do you expect others to pay for your protection? I thought you were a libertarian.

the main reason is because the govt would send their police to arrest me if I hired my own guy to arrest people. Police are the replacement for us not being allowed to do that stuff ourselves and protection of rights are a legitimate function of govt

You are saying that theft is wrong. The entire US healthcare system is theft. How come you vehemently defend it?

you are saying the notion of govt providing healthcare is theft? I agree, I don’t defend that

am I not understanding your point?

 

[deleted927028]

If the healthcare system is theft feel free not to use it

No one can sum up the plight of Americans including me, better than this comment. YES, I CANT STOP THOUGH I AM SO DESPERATE, BECAUSE I HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. Americans are forced to be under your masters’ thumbs against their will. That’s exactly why your masters are able to rape them as much they want. They can charge five times premiums than any other country in spite of astronomical deductibles and copays. They can charge $2000 for a medicine that’s get sold for $20 in other countries even if the medicine was invented by taxpayers money. Bloody, no one even can buy the catastrophic insurance. THIS IS THE FREEDOM THE STUPID PEOPLE OF AMERICA CELEBRATES AS THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Because high majority of them are stupids with no self esteem or self respect, brainwashed right from their birth that is best for them. That’s why they support, cheer on the vultures who are raping them, including you. The tone of your post suggests how proud of you to be part of that gangster group, EVEN THOUGH IT IS AGAINST YOUR BEST INTEREST.
To answer your question, YES, I will stop using it the moment I get a government option or Medicare. Have you met anyone over 65 that want to go with private vultures and leave Medicare?

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

No one can sum up the plight of Americans including me, better than this comment. YES, I CANT STOP THOUGH I AM SO DESPERATE, BECAUSE I HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. Americans are forced to be under your masters’ thumbs against their will. That’s exactly why your masters are able to rape them as much they want. They can charge five times premiums than any other country in spite of astronomical deductibles and copays. They can charge $2000 for a medicine that’s get sold for $20 in other countries even if the medicine was invented by taxpayers money. Bloody, no one even can buy the catastrophic insurance. THIS IS THE FREEDOM THE STUPID PEOPLE OF AMERICA CELEBRATES AS THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Because high majority of them are stupids with no self esteem or self respect, brainwashed right from their birth that is best for them. That’s why they support, cheer on the vultures who are raping them, including you. The tone of your post suggests how proud of you to be part of that gangster group, EVEN THOUGH IT IS AGAINST YOUR BEST INTEREST.
To answer your question, YES, I will stop using it the moment I get a government option or Medicare. Have you met anyone over 65 that want to go with private vultures and leave Medicare?

You do realize that lots of us would like to buy catastrophic insurance but can't because of the government that you want to run everything, right?

 

[deleted480308]

No one can sum up the plight of Americans including me, better than this comment. YES, I CANT STOP THOUGH I AM SO DESPERATE, BECAUSE I HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. Americans are forced to be under your masters’ thumbs against their will. That’s exactly why your masters are able to rape them as much they want. They can charge five times premiums than any other country in spite of astronomical deductibles and copays. They can charge $2000 for a medicine that’s get sold for $20 in other countries even if the medicine was invented by taxpayers money. Bloody, no one even can buy the catastrophic insurance. THIS IS THE FREEDOM THE STUPID PEOPLE OF AMERICA CELEBRATES AS THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Because high majority of them are stupids with no self esteem or self respect, brainwashed right from their birth that is best for them. That’s why they support, cheer on the vultures who are raping them, including you. The tone of your post suggests how proud of you to be part of that gangster group, EVEN THOUGH IT IS AGAINST YOUR BEST INTEREST.
To answer your question, YES, I will stop using it the moment I get a government option or Medicare. Have you met anyone over 65 that want to go with private vultures and leave Medicare?

That’s because they were forced to pay for it for 40yrs and aren’t allowed to just get their money out and do something else with it

there are a lot of people who would opt out of medicare if given the chance during their productive years

 

[deleted927028]

If the healthcare system is theft feel free not to use it

Just look at the way we handled the worst pandemic, millions are affected, thousands have died, but still after all those suffering, the nation’s sole focus is how to rape the citizens by exploiting the situation and make more billions for a few.

1. Even an illiterate like me is able to understand with a few days of browsing that hydroxychloroquine +zinc+optional antibiotic combo is the best solution to drastically reduce the hospitalizations and deaths. But what did our top tier medical community do? They ganged up against HCQ and branded it as extremely dangerous even though there is no such proof even after 70 years of use, conducted so called phony studies where people started dying suddenly, granted the orphan status for a stupid drug so that the manufacturer can do whatever they want, modified the study outcome factors for the same drug and made it the “standard care for Covid” . Some people call to make the use of HCQ illegal to prescribe for 5 or 6 days because it is so dangerous but only allow for people for those who use it for 10, 20, 30 years because it is absolutely safe for such long periods. Why? HCQ+zinc+antibiotic will only cost less than $20. Where as the magical drug remdesivir can fetch even $10000 for a patient. That’s what we have become !!!
2. Oxford on the verge of finding a vaccine (probably the first and earliest) for Covid, called on the nations to come forward to manufacture it and distribute it for free for their citizens. All of them joined except the greatest USA. Because they don’t give an exclusive right to us for the medicine they invented, so that we can rape the entire world and rake in trillions for the billionaires. So, we are passing over the free earlier vaccine option for our own citizens, instead we are trying to come up with a $10000 vaccine, six months later. Who cares how many die and how many go bankrupt? The president says “ At the end of the day, it is all business “.

But, let me stop here. Otherwise, you will tell me “if you don’t like it, leave the country !!! “

 

[deleted927028]

You do realize that lots of us would like to buy catastrophic insurance but can't because of the government that you want to run everything, right?

No , you are forgetting one thing. It is not the government. The politicians who people like you elect and don’t make them accountable, take the billions and sign the laws as drafted by your masters . Other countries are able to do it. Why do you hide behind blaming the invisible innocent government folks. Stand up, fight and demand them to do the right thing.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

No , you are forgetting one thing. It is not the government. The politicians who people like you elect and don’t make them accountable, take the billions and sign the laws as drafted by your masters . Other countries are able to do it. Why do you hide behind blaming the invisible innocent government folks. Stand up, fight and demand them to do the right thing.

Politicians are part of the government. I'm not sure why you keep missing that point.

And everyone I voted for either voted against the ACA or lost their elections.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Just look at the way we handled the worst pandemic, millions are affected, thousands have died, but still after all those suffering, the nation’s sole focus is how to rape the citizens by exploiting the situation and make more billions for a few.

1. Even an illiterate like me is able to understand with a few days of browsing that hydroxychloroquine +zinc+optional antibiotic combo is the best solution to drastically reduce the hospitalizations and deaths. But what did our top tier medical community do? They ganged up against HCQ and branded it as extremely dangerous even though there is no such proof even after 70 years of use, conducted so called phony studies where people started dying suddenly, granted the orphan status for a stupid drug so that the manufacturer can do whatever they want, modified the study outcome factors for the same drug and made it the “standard care for Covid” . Some people call to make the use of HCQ illegal to prescribe for 5 or 6 days because it is so dangerous but only allow for people for those who use it for 10, 20, 30 years because it is absolutely safe for such long periods. Why? HCQ+zinc+antibiotic will only cost less than $20. Where as the magical drug remdesivir can fetch even $10000 for a patient. That’s what we have become !!!
2. Oxford on the verge of finding a vaccine (probably the first and earliest) for Covid, called on the nations to come forward to manufacture it and distribute it for free for their citizens. All of them joined except the greatest USA. Because they don’t give an exclusive right to us for the medicine they invented, so that we can rape the entire world and rake in trillions for the billionaires. So, we are passing over the free earlier vaccine option for our own citizens, instead we are trying to come up with a $10000 vaccine, six months later. Who cares how many die and how many go bankrupt? The president says “ At the end of the day, it is all business “.

But, let me stop here. Otherwise, you will tell me “if you don’t like it, leave the country !!! “

No, that drug combo is not the best chance.

 

[deleted927028]

No, that drug combo is not the best chance.

We have to make use of what we have and save lives. Not the time to have a political fights or arguments. If administered early after the onset of symptoms, it seems to be very effective in weakening the virus and enable quicker recovery before any possible hospitalization. It need not be the best option or a prevent Covid. It certainly is the best available treatment option. We don’t gain anything by falsely and deliberately projecting it as extremely dangerous but only look stupid in the eyes of informed. You lose all your credibility, it is not the best thing for the medical professionals who are considered next only to the God.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

We have to make use of what we have and save lives. Not the time to have a political fights or arguments. If administered early after the onset of symptoms, it seems to be very effective in weakening the virus and enable quicker recovery before any possible hospitalization. It need not be the best option or a prevent Covid. It certainly is the best available treatment option. We don’t gain anything by falsely and deliberately projecting it as extremely dangerous but only look stupid in the eyes of informed. You lose all your credibility, it is not the best thing for the medical professionals who are considered next only to the God.

Except it does none of those things

 

[deleted480308]

Just look at the way we handled the worst pandemic, millions are affected, thousands have died, but still after all those suffering, the nation’s sole focus is how to rape the citizens by exploiting the situation and make more billions for a few.

1. Even an illiterate like me is able to understand with a few days of browsing that hydroxychloroquine +zinc+optional antibiotic combo is the best solution to drastically reduce the hospitalizations and deaths. But what did our top tier medical community do? They ganged up against HCQ and branded it as extremely dangerous even though there is no such proof even after 70 years of use, conducted so called phony studies where people started dying suddenly, granted the orphan status for a stupid drug so that the manufacturer can do whatever they want, modified the study outcome factors for the same drug and made it the “standard care for Covid” . Some people call to make the use of HCQ illegal to prescribe for 5 or 6 days because it is so dangerous but only allow for people for those who use it for 10, 20, 30 years because it is absolutely safe for such long periods. Why? HCQ+zinc+antibiotic will only cost less than $20. Where as the magical drug remdesivir can fetch even $10000 for a patient. That’s what we have become !!!
2. Oxford on the verge of finding a vaccine (probably the first and earliest) for Covid, called on the nations to come forward to manufacture it and distribute it for free for their citizens. All of them joined except the greatest USA. Because they don’t give an exclusive right to us for the medicine they invented, so that we can rape the entire world and rake in trillions for the billionaires. So, we are passing over the free earlier vaccine option for our own citizens, instead we are trying to come up with a $10000 vaccine, six months later. Who cares how many die and how many go bankrupt? The president says “ At the end of the day, it is all business “.

But, let me stop here. Otherwise, you will tell me “if you don’t like it, leave the country !!! “

You keep using the word “rape” in a really inaccurate context. That’s a serious word that deserves a little more discernment in its use

 

[TwistedTea]

We have to make use of what we have and save lives. Not the time to have a political fights or arguments. If administered early after the onset of symptoms, it seems to be very effective in weakening the virus and enable quicker recovery before any possible hospitalization. It need not be the best option or a prevent Covid. It certainly is the best available treatment option. We don’t gain anything by falsely and deliberately projecting it as extremely dangerous but only look stupid in the eyes of informed. You lose all your credibility, it is not the best thing for the medical professionals who are considered next only to the God.

I request sources for this nonsense and all other non sense you have posted on this forum

thanks for your cooperation.

 

[deleted480308]

We have to make use of what we have and save lives. Not the time to have a political fights or arguments. If administered early after the onset of symptoms, it seems to be very effective in weakening the virus and enable quicker recovery before any possible hospitalization. It need not be the best option or a prevent Covid. It certainly is the best available treatment option. We don’t gain anything by falsely and deliberately projecting it as extremely dangerous but only look stupid in the eyes of informed. You lose all your credibility, it is not the best thing for the medical professionals who are considered next only to the God.

I’ve seen icu docs that are easily twice as alsmart as me who spend hours after their shift reading everything they can get their hands on tell me you are wrong about your medication opinions and I haven’t found anything to put your opinion over theirs. I’m willing to read a source study if you link it

 

[TwistedTea]

Suckers like love all are the reason naturopathic doctors are in business. And chiros

 

[deleted927028]

Suckers like love all are the reason naturopathic doctors are in business. And chiros

I understand how you feel. All your life you have been brainwashed to believe that 4+3 = 10. So if someone likes me shows up and tells you that it is actually 7, you get startled, agitated and lose your mind. It will take some amount of independent thinking to understand what I am trying to say. You have to read a lot, inquire how things happen around the world . I have converted quite a few people like you.

 

[deleted927028]

I’ve seen icu docs that are easily twice as alsmart as me who spend hours after their shift reading everything they can get their hands on tell me you are wrong about your medication opinions and I haven’t found anything to put your opinion over theirs. I’m willing to read a source study if you link it

How can you expect a study when the virus itself is only 6 months old. It has been documented way back in 2004 that HCQ can fight off viruses, can function as zinc ionophore and Zinc’s capability to stop virus multiplication. Nothing is new. There is a lot of proof available on the internet and YouTube from the physicians who actually used the cocktail, on the efficacy of HCQ+Zinc against Covid if administered early. You have to have a unbiased , open mind.

you ask yourself, if the fear mongering of HCQ is justified and truthful. Then you will have the answer .

 

[deleted480308]

How can you expect a study when the virus itself is only 6 months old. It has been documented way back in 2004 that HCQ can fight off viruses, can function as zinc ionophore and Zinc’s capability to stop virus multiplication. Nothing is new. There is a lot of proof available on the internet and YouTube from the physicians who actually used the cocktail, on the efficacy of HCQ+Zinc against Covid if administered early. You have to have a unbiased , open mind.

you ask yourself, if the fear mongering of HCQ is justified and truthful. Then you will have the answer .

You are responding to arguments I haven’t made. I am not saying hcq is the devil. I am saying we don’t have good evidence that it is an effective treatment.

 

[deleted927028]

You are responding to arguments I haven’t made. I am not saying hcq is the devil. I am saying we don’t have good evidence that it is an effective treatment.

You are not saying that HCQ is devil. But the top tier of the medical community, Democrats, CNN, MSNBC etc. and left leaning media outlets. Probably you are not following the news ..

 

[TwistedTea]

You are not saying that HCQ is devil. But the top tier of the medical community, Democrats, CNN, MSNBC etc. and left leaning media outlets. Probably you are not following the news ..

Still waiting for sources

 

[FutureInternist]

I’ve seen icu docs that are easily twice as alsmart as me who spend hours after their shift reading everything they can get their hands on tell me you are wrong about your medication opinions and I haven’t found anything to put your opinion over theirs. I’m willing to read a source study if you link it

I don’t agree with sb247 too often, but on this one I am with him/her.... except the dumbest ICU doc is easily 3 times smarter than I am.

 

[FutureInternist]

We have drastically different views of essential services

I consider theft to be wrong. Tax funded health care isn’t “letting” someone else pay for your care, it’s forcing them to under threat of gunpoint

True... yet I cannot fathom someone thinking that waste management, firefighters, public education are somehow not essential services

Meanwhile, libertarians can have fun driving on roads that others helped pay for, going to sports arenas that are partially tax funded, having firefighter save them and their families even though they likely haven’t paid enough taxes to cash in that chip, sending their kids to public schools and colleges which are, in part, supported by people without kids, (or just a less number than theirs), going to any national park, museum etc, use the internet, use any of the multitude of medications that came from government funded research, and the many many other things that tax funded enterprises have generated.... but once we get their families on a vent, then that is when they will truly realise how libertarian they are and swear they will be OK with docs killing their kids since they can’t pay.