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ucladoc2b said:
For sure.

Speaking of all that, has anyone received their check yet? You know, the one that all these conspiracy theorists say we are supposed to get? I think mine may have gotten lost in the mail…
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I cashed yours. When you’re in with big pharma, the name on the check doesn’t matter.
Just kidding. I work for the government. I’m taking donations here
 
ucladoc2b said:
For sure.

Speaking of all that, has anyone received their check yet? You know, the one that all these conspiracy theorists say we are supposed to get? I think mine may have gotten lost in the mail…
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Speaking of which, all my antifa buddies bought boats with their Soros checks. Yacht club has gone full antifa.
 
Of course in the grand scheme it's none of my business but that is why I'm more curious about the pathology of Christen Eriksen who got an ICD and returned to play. I'm actually VERY surprised he was allowed to return to playing soccer and that a team signed him. I'd be surprised if Hamlin returned to playing as well. Honestly i don't know much about electrophysiology and elite athletes so I'm sure there are people who are most versed on the subject who say it's probably no problem for them to compete. It's just the optics of if something happens again and then the visual of the defibrillation......anyway, I know nothing.
 
UscGhost said:
Oh Lord.

Of course!!!

Tee Higgins had the covid vaccine hidden in his jersey and stabbed him right in the heart at the moment he was tackled.

Case closed.

Please take this nonsense elsewhere
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Easy...it's going to be OK...he said the things...but it's over now....
 
vector2 said:
I agree that proning probably wasn't indicated in this case, but I'll never forget this case I had a few years ago. Guy in his 30s, hx of GSW abdomen and multiple resections, anastomoses, and leaks. Had been in hospital for weeks. Stable'ish clinically on 2l O2, but had an ileus. Coming to OR for washout and G tube revision.

Long story short, at end of case CRNA pulls tube when he is stage 2ish and he aspirates. I come to room and she's fiddling around with trying to change pulse ox sites. Sat is like 70s. I re-intubate him, aline, ABG confirms hypoxia. Put him on LPV in the OR with high peep/fio2. Bronch and I'm able to get some of the schmutz out. Still can't get sat above 75. C-arm in, no pneumo or lobar collapse. I get the SICU attending to OR and we prone him. Gets the sat to high 70s low 80s. Guy is getting hypotensive at this point and is on levo and vaso. Over to ICU, prone, paralyzed, on APRV. No big response to inhaled flolan. No VV ecmo at the time. Sat never came up significantly and pressor requirement never came down. Dude didn't even last another 18 hrs.
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I've wondered about that. How much do you think is chemical irritation vs just having a ton of junk in the lungs?
 
Twiggidy said:
Of course in the grand scheme it's none of my business but that is why I'm more curious about the pathology of Christen Eriksen who got an ICD and returned to play. I'm actually VERY surprised he was allowed to return to playing soccer and that a team signed him. I'd be surprised if Hamlin returned to playing as well. Honestly i don't know much about electrophysiology and elite athletes so I'm sure there are people who are most versed on the subject who say it's probably no problem for them to compete. It's just the optics of if something happens again and then the visual of the defibrillation......anyway, I know nothing.
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I wonder how much of a barrier being intubated for 2-3 days will have on his ability to return to playing in the NFL.

Even just a 5% loss of muscle mass from being so sick is potentially enough to put someone on the roster bubble in today's NFL.
 
Ronin786 said:
I've wondered about that. How much do you think is chemical irritation vs just having a ton of junk in the lungs?
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The debris wasn't a crazy amount. I think the acid/bile pneumonitis just hit immediately and hard, unfortunately.
 
lotsapain said:
That is not ridiculous its quite alive and well and you will see more of it... inflammatory response from the vaccine itself. I know more and more physicians who are experiencing side effects, PAC PVCs etc.
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Anecdotes are not evidence.

I know a lot of gun owners who have been diagnosed with prostate cancer, therefore, guns cause prostate cancer.

In fact you can clearly demonstrate that prostate cancer is more likely to occur in the population of those who have fired a firearm more than once, compared with the population that has never discharged a firearm.
 
Vandalia said:
Anecdotes are not evidence.

I know a lot of gun owners who have been diagnosed with prostate cancer, therefore, guns cause prostate cancer.

In fact you can clearly demonstrate that prostate cancer is more likely to occur in the population of those who have fired a firearm more than once, compared with the population that has never discharged a firearm.
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whatever you say
 
In the npr article I read yesterday it said “doctors still unsure of what caused his arrest..” I guess commotio is a diagnosis of exclusion in this case?
 
lotsapain said:
That is not ridiculous its quite alive and well and you will see more of it... inflammatory response from the vaccine itself. I know more and more physicians who are experiencing side effects, PAC PVCs etc.
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And I know with certainty that our ICUs were 80%+ unvaccinated and the intubated patients in the ICU were 95%+ unvaccinated. What are some "side-effects" of an ICU admission? How about side effects of a prolonged intubation? Those lists are LOOOONG.
 
lotsapain said:
That is not ridiculous its quite alive and well and you will see more of it... inflammatory response from the vaccine itself. I know more and more physicians who are experiencing side effects, PAC PVCs etc.
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I said "ridiculously rare." Also, I haven't experienced any lingering side effects from the 4 I received...see how anecdotes work as data?
 
lotsapain said:
That is not ridiculous its quite alive and well and you will see more of it... inflammatory response from the vaccine itself. I know more and more physicians who are experiencing side effects, PAC PVCs etc.
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Wow.

This is absolute insanity, like just about everything else you've written on this forum.
 
lotsapain said:
whatever you say
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Don’t question anything or members of this forum will call you a MAGA kook. I experienced myocarditis after I had the Pfizer vaccine so I’m one of those anecdotes. I recently watched a video of a few former NFL players saying current players around the league are concerned his vaccination status could have played a role in Hamlins injury. My entire earlier point was this was being discussed whether it played a role or not.
 
gcc322 said:
In the npr article I read yesterday it said “doctors still unsure of what caused his arrest..” I guess commotio is a diagnosis of exclusion in this case?
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I mean, you can't really "prove" that's what happened because there wouldn't be any lingering evidence that would point to that as a diagnosis. So, yes, I guess it would be a diagnosis of exclusion.
 
Yeshua said:
Don’t question anything or members of this forum will call you a MAGA kook. I experienced myocarditis after I had the Pfizer vaccine so I’m one of those anecdotes. I recently watched a video of a few former NFL players saying current players around the league are concerned his vaccination status could have played a role in Hamlins injury. My entire earlier point was this was being discussed whether it played a role or not.
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Wow...one dude gets CPR on the field and you immediately think of vaccine induced cardiomyopathy? Dude, the NFL and college players have been vaxed and boosted in the last 2 years and not one dude in the last 2 years have died or been limited because of the vaccine. Come on man!!!
 
Yeshua said:
I recently watched a video of a few former NFL players saying current players around the league are concerned his vaccination status could have played a role in Hamlins injury. My entire earlier point was this was being discussed whether it played a role or not.
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No offense, but who really cares what NFL players are speculating? Are you going to let your viewpoint go if there's no evidence that Hamlin had myocarditis?
 
Myocarditis can also happen with infections


but hmm "In men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher after a second dose of mRNA-1273 than after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test (97 [95% CI, 91–99] versus 16 [95% CI, 12–18]). In women younger than 40 years, the number of excess events per million was similar after a second dose of mRNA-1273 and a positive test (7 [95% CI, 1–9] versus 8 [95% CI, 6–8])."
 
greatnt249 said:
No offense, but who really cares what NFL players are speculating? Are you going to let your viewpoint go if there's no evidence that Hamlin had myocarditis?
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I said it before. He is a cryptozoologist of differential diagnoses. The rare and improbable are at the forefront. Not horses. Not even the zebras.
 
Yeshua said:
Don’t question anything or members of this forum will call you a MAGA kook. I experienced myocarditis after I had the Pfizer vaccine so I’m one of those anecdotes. I recently watched a video of a few former NFL players saying current players around the league are concerned his vaccination status could have played a role in Hamlins injury. My entire earlier point was this was being discussed whether it played a role or not.
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Thats why we practice anecdote based medicine?

Myocarditis is extremely rare, less common than myocarditis due to covid 19 infection, and the cases they did find were clinically inconsequential for the patients.

Meanwhile vaccination has definitively been proven to substantially reduce the morbidity and mortality associated with infection.

My entire point is that it can be discussed, and the NFL players should be educated appropriately that it's less of a concern than actual infection
 
Yeshua said:
Don’t question anything or members of this forum will call you a MAGA kook. I experienced myocarditis after I had the Pfizer vaccine so I’m one of those anecdotes. I recently watched a video of a few former NFL players saying current players around the league are concerned his vaccination status could have played a role in Hamlins injury. My entire earlier point was this was being discussed whether it played a role or not.
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Indeed. I have experienced symptoms myself and I have no history of any heart disease (negative stress) but let liberals be
 
UscGhost said:
Who's dropping dead?

I am still waiting for the first admit to my hospital for a covid vaccine related complication...
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I admitted lots of people with post vaccines complications. It was 99% old person with fever, fatigue, +/- a little acute on chronic confusion +/- a BS “UTI.”

I took those every day of the week over the acute respiratory failure for my obese, DM patient who came in on HFNC with a ct that looked like ****.
 
NITRAS said:
I admitted lots of people with post vaccines complications. It was 99% old person with fever, fatigue, +/- a little acute on chronic confusion +/- a BS “UTI.”
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Lol, what? Tylenol, PO hydration, dispo back home or to their facility.

I would bet the data shows not even a fraction of 1 percent of COVID related admits were for vaccine side effects, and the ones that were were probably in those with significant comorbidities.
 
lotsapain said:
Indeed. I have experienced symptoms myself and I have no history of any heart disease (negative stress) but let liberals be
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I see. Diagnosed myocarditis? EKG? What was your treatment? How long were you hospitalized for? How long after the vaccine?
 
lotsapain said:
That is not ridiculous its quite alive and well and you will see more of it... inflammatory response from the vaccine itself. I know more and more physicians who are experiencing side effects, PAC PVCs etc.
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Diamond of Diamond and Silk did not have an inflammatory response from the vaccine because she didn’t get it. But sadly she’s dead now from covid.
 
lotsapain said:
Indeed. I have experienced symptoms myself and I have no history of any heart disease (negative stress) but let liberals be
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Why do you think this has anything to do with political affiliation? There are plenty of Republicans on this forum that also disagree with what you say.
 
Yeshua said:
Don’t question anything or members of this forum will call you a MAGA kook. I experienced myocarditis after I had the Pfizer vaccine so I’m one of those anecdotes. I recently watched a video of a few former NFL players saying current players around the league are concerned his vaccination status could have played a role in Hamlins injury. My entire earlier point was this was being discussed whether it played a role or not.
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I wonder if there is correlation between being a MAGA kook and getting myocarditis? I bet there is, so let’s do a study. Let’s start with some data: Are you a MAGA kook?

Now did you have a confirmed diagnosis of myocarditis?
 
GravelRider said:
I wonder if there is correlation between being a MAGA kook and getting myocarditis? I bet there is, so let’s do a study. Let’s start with some data: Are you a MAGA kook?

Now did you have a confirmed diagnosis of myocarditis?
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I don’t know anybody who got myocarditis. Maybe they just won’t admit it because they don’t want to be assumed to be a MAGA kook 😉
 
Yeshua said:
Don’t question anything or members of this forum will call you a MAGA kook. I experienced myocarditis after I had the Pfizer vaccine so I’m one of those anecdotes. I recently watched a video of a few former NFL players saying current players around the league are concerned his vaccination status could have played a role in Hamlins injury. My entire earlier point was this was being discussed whether it played a role or not.
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This is like acedotal to the 5th power....

You saw a video about guys who heard about other guys who heard about a guy, a guy who has unknown medical history and had an unknown injury.

Your conclusion? Covid vaccine related

Got it
 
UscGhost said:
This is like acedotal to the 5th power....

You saw a video about guys who heard about other guys who heard about a guy, a guy who has unknown medical history and had an unknown injury.

Your conclusion? Covid vaccine related

Got it
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Maybe thats how Yeshua stays on the cutting edge of Medicine. Peer reviewed sources be damned.
 
nimbus said:
I don’t know anybody who got myocarditis. Maybe they just won’t admit it because they don’t want to be assumed to be a MAGA kook 😉
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I came across a few patients with myocarditis in my IM days. It tends to not be an easy thing to hide. Severe chest pain, malaise, fevers/chills/sweats…not usually symptoms someone just bucks up and heads into work after a couple ibuprofen.
 
GravelRider said:
I came across a few patients with myocarditis in my IM days. It tends to not be an easy thing to hide. Severe chest pain, malaise, fevers/chills/sweats…not usually symptoms someone just bucks up and heads into work after a couple ibuprofen.
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And of course the drreaded -itis of the myo- occurs on a spectrum. It's like saying "knee pain" whike glossing over the difference between a casual contact between one's patella and a coffee table, and getting the leg folded over backwards by a NFL linebacker.

I swear hearing these antivaxxers prattle on about how their best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw a sheeple who got the jab pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
 
pgg said:
I swear hearing these antivaxxers prattle on about how their best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw a sheeple who got the jab pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty seserious.
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The above is what anti-vaxxer ret_ards refer to as "solid evidence." Source: trust me.
 
pgg said:
And of course the drreaded -itis of the myo- occurs on a spectrum. It's like saying "knee pain" whike glossing over the difference between a casual contact between one's patella and a coffee table, and getting the leg folded over backwards by a NFL linebacker.

I swear hearing these antivaxxers prattle on about how their best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw a sheeple who got the jab pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
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coffeebythelake said:
This was a very on-topic discussion until a few people decided to push the whole covid vaccine myocarditis nonsense. We don't let fake truths like that slide.
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If not letting fake truths 'slide' means out spittle flecking the other guy, I agree completely. All I can see is ad hominems, anecdotes and insults.
 
pgg said:
I swear hearing these antivaxxers prattle on about how their best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw a sheeple who got the jab pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
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Hey that Baskin Robbins was next to a CVS where they have vaccines. He wouldn’t have tripped over his shoelace if the fumes didn’t cause myocarditis.
 
Teillard said:
If not letting fake truths 'slide' means out spittle flecking the other guy, I agree completely. All I can see is ad hominems, anecdotes and insults.
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I saw no ad hominem attacks or insults. Simply pointing out the obvious unscientific unsubstantiated antivaxx cum MAGA speaking points. And alarmed how someone with formal medical training would believe in it so unquestioningly. As for anecdotes that is what passes for truth when real evidence isn't used. 🤷‍♂️
 
Vandalia said:
From the press conference there was no reaction time.

He had a pulse when the athletic trainers arrived, then he lost it and “bystander CPR” began immediately.

The apparent “delay” was the fact that he initially had a pulse.
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Is it possible he didn’t have a pulse but they thought he did?

Also, maybe proning patients after CPR is a new thing being tried. Maybe outcomes could improve.

They did TTM right? Maybe prone during TTM is better.
 
coffeebythelake said:
I saw no ad hominem attacks or insults. Simply pointing out the obvious unscientific unsubstantiated antivaxx cum MAGA speaking points. And alarmed how someone with formal medical training would believe in it so unquestioningly. As for anecdotes that is what passes for truth when real evidence isn't used. 🤷‍♂️
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Oh I totally did ad hominem attacks. Someone (a physician?) claiming they had myocarditis instead of the bout of indigestion they had after a couple IPAs is an idiot and should be called as such.
 
epidural man said:
Is it possible he didn’t have a pulse but they thought he did?

Also, maybe proning patients after CPR is a new thing being tried. Maybe outcomes could improve.

They did TTM right? Maybe prone during TTM is better.
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Possible? Sure. Anything is possible.

However, athletic trainers, particularly at that level, generally have pretty good training for these types of scenarios. According to an article in The Athletic, the entire training/medical staff for each NFL team actually practices this scenario twice a season. An hour before each game, the training/medical staffs for both teams meet and go over who will run a code, who is responsible for the AED, etc., etc.

At the press conference, they confirmed that TTM was used. The physician/reporter who asked the question specifically asked about a hypothermia protocol, and the critical care physician responded with "The UC TTM protocol was used", the wording of which to me strongly suggests that it was normothermia. (In addition to the fact that it seems that is the way the "winds have been blowing" for a while now.)
 
GravelRider said:
Oh I totally did ad hominem attacks. Someone (a physician?) claiming they had myocarditis instead of the bout of indigestion they had after a couple IPAs is an idiot and should be called as such.
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I feel the same way about physicians that permanently alter the bodies of teenaged girls in serious emotional and psychiatric distress, but I don't call them names. Do you?
 
Teillard said:
I feel the same way about physicians that permanently alter the bodies of teenaged girls in serious emotional and psychiatric distress, but I don't call them names. Do you?
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Curious to see a purveyor of antivax / MAGA / whatever-this-doctor-vs-teenage-girl-thing-is talking points suddenly so concerned about civility.

Are you asking something about abortion or trans-something? I'm not sure which strawman I'm supposed to be seeing here.
 
Teillard said:
I feel the same way about physicians that permanently alter the bodies of teenaged girls in serious emotional and psychiatric distress, but I don't call them names. Do you?
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Nice pivot. I was going to bet $10 million that the next post was going to be somehow related to transgender issues. I should have, but I’m not sure anyone would have taken a bet that I was sure to win.

Vaccines, transgender, what’s the next talking point down the agenda list? Come on man, get a life…

But yes, if I think someone is an idiot, I will ad hominem them all day long and call that person an idiot.
 
Maga guy: "Sir, this incivility regarding the quite legitimate vaccine 'debate' is an affront to our gentlemanly sensibilities so I would urge you to refrain from such uncouth ad hominems"

Maga guy 5 minutes ago: "Go back to your safe space you woke liberal snowflake p*ssy. Me and Elon believe the internet should be an unrelenting free speech zone"
 
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