DAT GRADES-Chances of Admission

[SnMA]

Hello All,

I just took my DAT today. Not very high grades but it is what it is. Ive already sent out my application to the colleges Ive listed below and they have all received it except my DAT Score which i took today.
I will provide my application information below and please tell me if I have any chance getting anywhere or I should reschedule for DAT. Also If there is other colleges Ive not applied and you believe I can get in with these stats please let me know.
Also in case of retaking DAT, it would be in 3 months-late October, wouldn't that be so late for this cycle.

Is it possible I get any interview??


Please advise. Thank you:




AZ Resident

GPA Bachelors in Biomedical Engineering: 3.85
Finishing Master in BE May 2018.

DAT Taken: 7/20
AA: 18 PAT: 14 QR:21 RC: 18 BIO: 12 GC: 21 OC: 19 TS: 17


Shadowing 160 hr
Volunteer 40 hr
Research 192 hr
Work 783 hr


Colleges applied so far:
ASDOH(AZ)
WESTU
University of Florida
Harvard School of Dental Medicine
UPENN
MWU (AZ)
UCLA
UCSF
UOP
USC
Howard University (HOW)
Columbia University (CUL)

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[#cariology]

Retake for sure. Bio, PAT, RC, TS, AA are too low. How did you study? A 12 Bio will be an automatic rejection at basically every school.

Not trying to be harsh, just realistic.

 

[O Gaúcho]

Automatic rejection from all the schools you applied to unless your family is best friends with the dean at one of those schools. Retaking the DAT is a must for your situation.

 

[Life of Pablo]

Sorry but how do you have a 3.85 GPA in Biomedical Engineering and got a 12 in Bio?

Is your college accredited?

 

[SnMA]

Sorry but how do you have a 3.85 GPA in Biomedical Engineering and got a 12 in Bio?

Is your college accredited?

Crammed up everything in a week.

 

[fit2]

Crammed up everything in a week.

Why would you that haha?
Did you feel ready to take exam? You should have pushed it back. Now u gotta wait a whole cycle

 

[FeralisExtremum]

Crammed up everything in a week.

You seriously compromised perception of your GPA by doing so.

I think a retake (with serious improvement in the bio and PAT sections) will be necessary for interviews to be possible.

 

[SnMA]

Why would you that haha?
Did you feel ready to take exam? You should have pushed it back. Now u gotta wait a whole cycle

I wasn't ready for BIO at all didn't study at all. For PAT I did a little of practice but wasn't enough. I focused on practicing CHM, OCHM and MAT in the one week frame.

 

[FeralisExtremum]

I wasn't ready for BIO at all didn't study at all.

Why? Why though?

 

[Life of Pablo]

I wasn't ready for BIO at all didn't study at all. For PAT I did a little of practice but wasn't enough. I focused on practicing CHM, OCHM and MAT in the one week frame.

You're an engineering major. Math should have been the last section you focused on.

 

[SnMA]

You seriously compromised perception of your GPA by doing so.

I think a retake (with serious improvement in the bio and PAT sections) will be necessary for interviews to be possible.

Don't you think retaking in late October too late for this cycle?

 

[FeralisExtremum]

Don't you think retaking in late October too late for this cycle?

Honestly yes. Retake when you're fully prepared and apply next cycle.

 

[SnMA]

Why? Why though?

I read the first 9 chapters off Cliff Biology 3 weeks ago and stopped. This last week when started again just worked on the other subjects. I really messed up bad.
If I reapply then do I just need to improve my DAT score or work on other criteria as well. What are they looking from re-applicants

 

[CherHorowitz]

Sir, you will have to re-take your DAT. If you haven't spent money on applying this cycle yet, do not apply. Save your money to schedule a retake and study harder next time. Good luck if you want to have a go on the next cycle.

 

[Jyggaswoop]

please retake and do not apply this cycle. do not think your GPA is good enough to overcome your scores.
EDIT: saw you applied already, do not apply to more schools.

 

[yaya97]

The part that gets me the most is the fact that you applied to Harvard...


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[fit2]

The part that gets me the most is the fact that you applied to Harvard...


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All 3 ivies actually

 

[mariobrosdoctor]

To be fair, they submitted before taking the exam.

 

[711769]

All 3 ivies actually

Lets not forget about UCLA and USF

 

[711769]

OP i wouldnt bother with applications this cycle. As others stated, this demonstrates a lack of commitment (which is what you mentioned above as well). Retake the DAT. As a bio major you shouldnt even dream of getting anything below a 20, let alone a 12 because it makes one (i.e. me) question the rigors of your institution.

 

[mdg268]

Best of luck to you. Whatever is meant to be will be.

 

[FeralisExtremum]

I would not listen to what everyone is saying to you. It's one exam. It doesn't discredit every single exam you've taken your whole undergraduate career. If money isn't an issue, just apply. Some schools don't have a minimum. DAT scores are not everything. It really just has to do with you whole application and what else you've done. Maybe retake it October if you feel ready, but I would not withdraw your application. You should just apply anyways if the money isn't an issue. You not even applying automatically means you won't get it for sure. Just add more schools. Still give yourself a chance. Best of luck to you. Whatever is meant to be will be.

I just don't like people on here making rude comments to other people. It's mean. Obviously this person didn't take the DAT hoping that they got these scores, but they got them. So it is what it is. The additional rude comments are unnecessary. Just think before you comment rude stuff.

Have you gotten into dental school? You are giving bad advice, and you should feel bad.

 

[JLT223]

Some schools don't have a minimum. DAT scores are not everything. It really just has to do with you whole application and what else you've done.

This isn't directed towards the OP, but a 12 in arguably the most important section of the DAT won't fly at ANY school. Just saying.

 

[711769]

I would not listen to what everyone is saying to you. It's one exam. It doesn't discredit every single exam you've taken your whole undergraduate career. If money isn't an issue, just apply. Some schools don't have a minimum. DAT scores are not everything. It really just has to do with you whole application and what else you've done. Maybe retake it October if you feel ready, but I would not withdraw your application. You should just apply anyways if the money isn't an issue. You not even applying automatically means you won't get it for sure. Just add more schools. Still give yourself a chance. Best of luck to you. Whatever is meant to be will be.

I just don't like people on here making rude comments to other people. It's mean. Obviously this person didn't take the DAT hoping that they got these scores, but they got them. So it is what it is. The additional rude comments are unnecessary. Just think before you comment rude stuff.

What is this even.. A 12 in bio is not even a 20th percentile. When we say that he should not to waste his time on apps, we arent aiming to show how superior we are or to bash him, well at least I wasnt. He asked for our opinion and we are are telling him straightup what he will face come this cycle.

This is one of the worst advice Ive ever seen. DAT scores arent everything but a bad score will cost you everything. Ill throw back your own quote but modified: ” Just think before you comment weightless stuff”. PS, when feralis is being harsh, hes being truthful imho

 

[caffeine jitters]

I would not listen to what everyone is saying to you. It's one exam. It doesn't discredit every single exam you've taken your whole undergraduate career. If money isn't an issue, just apply. Some schools don't have a minimum. DAT scores are not everything. It really just has to do with you whole application and what else you've done. Maybe retake it October if you feel ready, but I would not withdraw your application. You should just apply anyways if the money isn't an issue. You not even applying automatically means you won't get it for sure. Just add more schools. Still give yourself a chance. Best of luck to you. Whatever is meant to be will be.

I just don't like people on here making rude comments to other people. It's mean. Obviously this person didn't take the DAT hoping that they got these scores, but they got them. So it is what it is. The additional rude comments are unnecessary. Just think before you comment rude stuff.

I would argue this is the only rude comment I have read. You are giving TERRIBLE advice... everyone else is just being real - not rude.

 

[SnMA]

Thank you all for your input.

 

[1ysh]

There are people who are being "harsh" for the realistic advice.
There are others who just straight up judge OP.
Disheartened that people judged how he applied to 3 ivies, UCLA, USF..

 

[Illstartmydiet2maro]

Why? Why though?

This is how us cali ppl are we wing it all the time

 

[chives_irvine]

I would not listen to what everyone is saying to you. It's one exam. It doesn't discredit every single exam you've taken your whole undergraduate career. If money isn't an issue, just apply. Some schools don't have a minimum. DAT scores are not everything. It really just has to do with you whole application and what else you've done. Maybe retake it October if you feel ready, but I would not withdraw your application. You should just apply anyways if the money isn't an issue. You not even applying automatically means you won't get it for sure. Just add more schools. Still give yourself a chance. Best of luck to you. Whatever is meant to be will be.

I just don't like people on here making rude comments to other people. It's mean. Obviously this person didn't take the DAT hoping that they got these scores, but they got them. So it is what it is. The additional rude comments are unnecessary. Just think before you comment rude stuff.

I'm with this. Look, these scores are a dumpster fire and said person will likely not get in this cycle. If the OP can't get a refund (not sure if you can or not), there isn't a reason to withdraw it for that .1% they get an interview. It would all be sunken cost. If anything they can retake the DAT next year as a reapplicant and talk about how much they underestimated the DAT and how they better prepared for it the second time around (and how they matured and took it more seriously etc *and how they would never do that for NBDE). That, with a good DAT score next year, in my less than informed opinion seems reasonable to me.

Probable shouldn't toss MORE money away by applying more

 

[#cariology]

I'm with this. Look, these scores are a dumpster fire and said person will likely not get in this cycle. If the OP can't get a refund (not sure if you can or not), there isn't a reason to withdraw it for that .1% they get an interview. It would all be sunken cost. If anything they can retake the DAT next year as a reapplicant and talk about how much they underestimated the DAT and how they better prepared for it the second time around (and how they matured and took it more seriously etc *and how they would never do that for NBDE). That, with a good DAT score next year, in my less than informed opinion seems reasonable to me.

Probable shouldn't toss MORE money away by applying more

The issue is, this application and those DAT scores are on file. A 12 in Bio and 14 in PAT is a huge red flag. I would think it's better to withdraw now and admit to schools that it's not even worth their time to look at an application that's DOA. Otherwise, adcoms might question the maturity of this applicant. It's like someone on Shark Tank saying that they've grossed $100,000 the last year on their product and expect to be at $20 million by next year. Cuban would laugh that person off set and probably never go into business with them because they're so unaware of how things work. There isn't a .1% of an interview, there's a 0% chance of an interview.
Withdraw ASAP, set up a proper study schedule with the right materials, and actually give yourself a chance by doing well on this test.

 

[super frank]

I just don't like people on here making rude comments to other people. It's mean.

It's a cold world out there.

 

[dental2021]

Source: ADEA

"Does ADEA AADSAS give refunds?

It is a vital part of the process that the full instructions are read and the application is reviewed to ensure the necessary steps are taken to complete the application. Once an application is submitted, refunds are typically not granted. In special circumstances, though, refund requests will be reviewed. Applicants must submit a brief, written request within 30 calendar days of the end of the cycle to [email protected]. ADEA reserves the right to grant or deny requests at its own discretion. Any refund granted will be returned to the applicant in the format it was paid. Reapplicants accepted after June 1 to the previous cycle can request a refund; requests must be made within two weeks of the acceptance which will be verified by ADEA AADSAS staff."

 

[SmileItsLife]

i think you should improve another part of your application as you retake the DAT and apply next year.....

 

[amariesa]

If you are desperate, you could always email each school you've applied to and explain that you were not able to take the test under ideal circumstances and that you will have new score, more reflective of your undergrad GPA by October. See if they will hold your application and not write you off immediately.

Now I agree that people online are mean but you are talking to people who have studied months and agonized over every little bio detail to raise their scores by the smallest of percentiles. For someone to come in saying "will I get an interview with my 12 in bio cuz I studied a week" will rub some people the wrong way. With that said, they are correct, you dont stand a chance. You did an undergrad heavy in bio, a Masters related to bio, want to enter a profession heavy in bio, and you get a 12? It's not an uphill battle, its an impossible task. Retake for sure. Good luck.

 

[klownzo]

If you already applied, I would email the schools and tell them that you're going to be retaking the DAT in October. Since you invested the money, might as well try to make something out of the cycle. Only do this if you're willing to commit serious time to studying for the DAT. If you're too busy with your masters and don't have the time, forget about this cycle and apply again next year. Is a retake in October late? Yea... but there's people who get accepted that finish their app later than that. Good luck!

 

[luisfigo]

I retook my DAT in january in the middle of my application season after my interview, it may have been what pushed my application into an acceptance. I don't think all is lost. If you retake with a successful DAT there is still a chance for this season. Just giving up is not the thing to do. If he retakes, which he has to, he'll be setting himself up for next year, which he should expect. That doesn't mean nothing will come of this year, just that it isn't likely.

 

[fit2]

I retook my DAT in january in the middle of my application season after my interview, it may have been what pushed my application into an acceptance. I don't think all is lost. If you retake with a successful DAT there is still a chance for this season. Just giving up is not the thing to do. If he retakes, which he has to, he'll be setting himself up for next year, which he should expect. That doesn't mean nothing will come of this year, just that it isn't likely.

that's so late. i'm surprised they accepted the DAT

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

Retake absolutely needed. Probably not worth dumping in more money this cycle. It's a bit of a reach at this point, especially given your school list.

***Closing thread***

Not really though, I don't have the power...yet.

Big Hoss