DAT Scores In, What Are My Chances?

[Hawk5]

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So I just took my DAT:

PAT: 17 (41.9%) 🙁
QR: 19 (91.2%)
RC: 22 (84.4%)
Bio: 20 (88%)
GC: 21 (87%)
OC: 20 (79.9%)
Total science: 20 (85.2%)
Academic Average: 20 (87.6%)

My GPA is 3.84, science 3.80

My application should be considered complete, as soon as my DAT scores arrive. What are my chances of getting accepted anywhere, considering my PAT scores are so low?

 

[MatthewLeeDDS]

So I just took my DAT:

PAT: 17 (41.9%) 🙁
QR: 19 (91.2%)
RC: 22 (84.4%)
Bio: 20 (88%)
GC: 21 (87%)
OC: 20 (79.9%)
Total science: 20 (85.2%)
Academic Average: 20 (87.6%)

My GPA is 3.84, science 3.80

My application should be considered complete, as soon as my DAT scores arrive. What are my chances of getting accepted anywhere, considering my PAT scores are so low?

Some schools could care less about your PAT. Just apply where you're interested in going and I'd be surprised if you don't get into multiple schools.

 

[MrAvicii]

So I just took my DAT:

PAT: 17 (41.9%) 🙁
QR: 19 (91.2%)
RC: 22 (84.4%)
Bio: 20 (88%)
GC: 21 (87%)
OC: 20 (79.9%)
Total science: 20 (85.2%)
Academic Average: 20 (87.6%)

My GPA is 3.84, science 3.80

My application should be considered complete, as soon as my DAT scores arrive. What are my chances of getting accepted anywhere, considering my PAT scores are so low?

its very late in the game. some schools have PAT cutoffs (so if you applied there and are below the cutoffs) you will be rejected from there.

All else you should get a few acceptances, your stats are very high (esp the GPAs) You will probably be complete mid November and maybe start to hear from schools early December. I;m sure you'll get in somewhere, just dunno where.

Where have you applied?

 

[Demps]

You have a great chance, where did you apply?

 

[Hawk5]

You have a great chance, where did you apply?

So far I have only applied to Buffalo and Stony (in state) because I was saving money and my app wasn't complete anyways, but I am considering Colorado, Penn, and NYU.

I am also considering Howard (even though I am white) since I am a first generation college student.

Any recs for schools that might not care about my crappy PAT score?

 

[MrAvicii]

So far I have only applied to Buffalo and Stony (in state) because I was saving money and my app wasn't complete anyways, but I am considering Colorado, Penn, and NYU.

I am also considering Howard (even though I am white) since I am a first generation college student.

Any recs for schools that might not care about my crappy PAT score?

Why would you apply to Howard? You have good stats. Def apply to NYU, Penn, Columbia and Harvard. Those schools should def take you. Also look into Tufts, BU, USC, and Nova.

Since you are very late in the cycle, you should apply to at least 10 schools. Anything less and you are running the risk of not getting in. Remember almost all pre-dec interviews are already given out, by the time your DAT comes in and you are actually complete at most schools it will be December. By then you are fighting for left overs (anything from 33 to 50% of the remaining seats.) Diversify man, you dont want to end up getting accepted to a school where you dont really want to go.

 

[Hawk5]

Why would you apply to Howard? You have good stats. Def apply to NYU, Penn, Columbia and Harvard. Those schools should def take you. Also look into Tufts, BU, USC, and Nova.

Columbia and Harvard? Aren't these two of the hardest schools?

 

[MrAvicii]

Why would you apply to Howard? You have good stats. Def apply to NYU, Penn, Columbia and Harvard. Those schools should def take you. Also look into Tufts, BU, USC, and Nova.


Columbia and Harvard? Aren't these two of the hardest schools?

hard? what do you mean to get into? you have an amazing shot! you're GPA is up there! My friend got into Harvard with a 3.9 and a 20 AA. She loves it. Columbia is really awesome too. If you had like a 3.5 you'd need a 22 or so; but with such a high GPA you do have a shot.

 

[journeybegins]

So far I have only applied to Buffalo and Stony (in state) because I was saving money and my app wasn't complete anyways, but I am considering Colorado, Penn, and NYU.

I am also considering Howard (even though I am white) since I am a first generation college student.

Any recs for schools that might not care about my crappy PAT score?

I think you would be wasting your money if you are applying to Colorado. I think if you're an OOS, applying early might give you an interview, since you're already late in the cycle, Colorado is NOT OOS friendly at this point.


I applied to Colorado because I heard their dental program is pretty good, and I also have a friend who goes there. I applied in June, AADSAS sent-out 7/22, and took my DAT in early October, and by mid-October (before my DAT scores were in/application complete), they sent an email saying that they are no longer considering me as an active applicant and will no longer require any additional fees/information from me. It was a nice email. They didn't take any secondary fees from me. They basically just withdrew my application. haha I took it as a rejection, but at least, it wasn't too bad since they didn't really see my application nor took any secondary fees!

They also mention that most of their seats go to Colorado residents and to WICHE states.

 

[Hawk5]

Thanks for the heads up with CO, I will not be wasting my money!

 

[dentalWorks]

So I just took my DAT:

PAT: 17 (41.9%) 🙁
QR: 19 (91.2%)
RC: 22 (84.4%)
Bio: 20 (88%)
GC: 21 (87%)
OC: 20 (79.9%)
Total science: 20 (85.2%)
Academic Average: 20 (87.6%)

My GPA is 3.84, science 3.80

My application should be considered complete, as soon as my DAT scores arrive. What are my chances of getting accepted anywhere, considering my PAT scores are so low?

Assuming you apply to 12-15 schools, I think your odds are good this cycle

 

[uva09]

Contrary to what SDN may lead you to believe, no one is going to be able to tell you what your chances are at any dental school based on a DAT score and two GPA numbers without any additional, qualifying information. And even with more information, it would be nothing more than speculation. Sorry. Personally, I wouldn't base a financial decision that will ultimately cost you $1000-2000+ based on what a few online posters have to say about your "stats".

This is probably the single most aggravating aspect of this website. The whole notion of 'stats' is absurd. There is so much more that goes into this process.

Where did you go to school? Is it a top ranked program? Is it a community college? Is it a less than competitive state school?

A GPA from school A means something completely different than a GPA from School B.

As a crude example, let's take the state of North Carolina for example: A 3.80 GPA from Western Carolina University means something completely different than a 3.80 GPA from Duke University. And I believe this is fairly obvious and intuitive.

You should be able to serve as your own judge on the weight of your GPA with regards to the competitiveness, or lack thereof, of your undergraduate program.

As far as the DAT - as other have suggested, some schools have cutoffs for scores. Sometimes these scoring minimums are posted online - sometimes you have to ask directly. Many schools have a target minimum of 18. Some are as low as 15. Some say they don't have any written standards. Some schools value the PAT greatly, others not as much. It just depends.

If money is not an issue then it certainly won't hurt to apply this cycle. You obviously have zero chance if you don't apply at all.

However, based on the timing alone, you have made things quite difficult. It's already November. You are quite late and just from a statistical standpoint, the odds are not in your favor. But anything can happen. Folks always get in late and folks always get in that apply late. It just depends.

As I said, no one is going to be able to offer you sound advice based off a GPA and DAT score.

Do what you think feels like the wise decision.

 

[MrAvicii]

Contrary to what SDN may lead you to believe, no one is going to be able to tell you what your chances are at any dental school based on a DAT score and two GPA numbers without any additional, qualifying information. And even with more information, it would be nothing more than speculation. Sorry. Personally, I wouldn't base a financial decision that will ultimately cost you $1000-2000+ based on what a few online posters have to say about your "stats".

This is probably the single most aggravating aspect of this website. The whole notion of 'stats' is absurd. There is so much more that goes into this process.

Where did you go to school? Is it a top ranked program? Is it a community college? Is it a less than competitive state school?

A GPA from school A means something completely different than a GPA from School B.

As a crude example, let's take the state of North Carolina for example: A 3.80 GPA from Western Carolina University means something completely different than a 3.80 GPA from Duke University. And I believe this is fairly obvious and intuitive.

You should be able to serve as your own judge on the weight of your GPA with regards to the competitiveness, or lack thereof, of your undergraduate program.

As far as the DAT - as other have suggested, some schools have cutoffs for scores. Sometimes these scoring minimums are posted online - sometimes you have to ask directly. Many schools have a target minimum of 18. Some are as low as 15. Some say they don't have any written standards. Some schools value the PAT greatly, others not as much. It just depends.

If money is not an issue then it certainly won't hurt to apply this cycle. You obviously have zero chance if you don't apply at all.

However, based on the timing alone, you have made things quite difficult. It's already November. You are quite late and just from a statistical standpoint, the odds are not in your favor. But anything can happen. Folks always get in late and folks always get in that apply late. It just depends.

As I said, no one is going to be able to offer you sound advice based off a GPA and DAT score.

Do what you think feels like the wise decision.

👍 agreed. OP apply broadly. Add like 10 to 15 schools as mentioned above you should be good. Add OOS friendly schools like Columbia, Penn, Harvard. Some schools like ASDOH will not accept someone with such high stats (they focus more on volunteer work) and tend to reject really high applicants.

 

[UltimateHombre]

Some schools like ASDOH will not accept someone with such high stats (they focus more on volunteer work) and tend to reject really high applicants.

Ya this is not true at all... i know 3 people personally that were accepted last year with 21s and 22s.

Yes they do focus on volunteer work, but to turn down a qualified candidate because there stats are too high? That would be foolish.

 

[sacapuntas]

avicii....slow your roll.

You are speaking way out of your knowledge base and it has real impact on the people that could read this thread. Its cool you want to be helpful, but when the truth of it is you don't have first hand knowledge of most of what you are posting you are not helping.



OP - know that you are very late to the process and that there is a real chance that you will spend a bunch of $$ applying to schools and have to do it again next year. If you applied the 1st day of the cycle maybe all these schools avicii is filling your head with may have considered you more heavily.

If I were you, I would select a group of schools that you REALLY want to go to and apply to those and try and get lucky. Then if you don't get in, next cycle apply more broadly. That is just me though, you have to weigh your financial situation against the year you are giving up by waiting and decide what is best for you.

Good luck in whatever you decide.

 

[Hawk5]

Thanks for the responses everybody, they help alot

 

[Demps]

Damn you would have a great shot at Stony and Buffalo had you applied earlier in the cycle.

Add NYU, you should get an invite from them.

Like someone said above, don't apply to Colorado, your chance there is very slim.

Stony is one of my top choices but I applied late as well -_-
Mailed out 10/28, and LOEs are still not in. argh

Good luck to you 🙂

 

[Hawk5]

Damn you would have a great shot at Stony and Buffalo had you applied earlier in the cycle.

Add NYU, you should get an invite from them.

Like someone said above, don't apply to Colorado, your chance there is very slim.

Stony is one of my top choices but I applied late as well -_-
Mailed out 10/28, and LOEs are still not in. argh

Good luck to you 🙂

Thanks!

 

[MrAvicii]

avicii....slow your roll.

You are speaking way out of your knowledge base and it has real impact on the people that could read this thread. Its cool you want to be helpful, but when the truth of it is you don't have first hand knowledge of most of what you are posting you are not helping.



OP - know that you are very late to the process and that there is a real chance that you will spend a bunch of $$ applying to schools and have to do it again next year. If you applied the 1st day of the cycle maybe all these schools avicii is filling your head with may have considered you more heavily.

If I were you, I would select a group of schools that you REALLY want to go to and apply to those and try and get lucky. Then if you don't get in, next cycle apply more broadly. That is just me though, you have to weigh your financial situation against the year you are giving up by waiting and decide what is best for you.

Good luck in whatever you decide.

bro dont be a toolbag and piggy back your useless info.

OP has a great shot at those schools BECAUSE they care about high GPAs rather than DAT scores. The OP should def apply and he/she STILL HAS A SHOT OF GETTING IN! Stop being competitive and telling the people not to apply to schools. DONT BE THAT GUY.

OP can apply to whatever schools make sense (which should be at least 10 to 15) and can still get in. I believe most schools keep 33 to 50% of their class size open after dec 1st. This enough chances for someone with a monster gpa and good dat scores like the OP.

 

[Demps]

bro dont be a toolbag and piggy back your useless info.

OP has a great shot at those schools BECAUSE they care about high GPAs rather than DAT scores. The OP should def apply and he/she STILL HAS A SHOT OF GETTING IN! Stop being competitive and telling the people not to apply to schools. DONT BE THAT GUY.

OP can apply to whatever schools make sense (which should be at least 10 to 15) and can still get in. I believe most schools keep 33 to 50% of their class size open after dec 1st. This enough chances for someone with a monster gpa and good dat scores like the OP.

Tufts and PENN look good because his reading score is up there.

I don't know about Columbia and Harvard though.

 

[MrAvicii]

Tufts and PENN look good because his reading score is up there.

I don't know about Columbia and Harvard though.

My friend got into Harvard with a similar GPA and the same exact DAT. I know its possible.

 

[Hawk5]

bro dont be a toolbag and piggy back your useless info.

OP has a great shot at those schools BECAUSE they care about high GPAs rather than DAT scores. The OP should def apply and he/she STILL HAS A SHOT OF GETTING IN! Stop being competitive and telling the people not to apply to schools. DONT BE THAT GUY.

OP can apply to whatever schools make sense (which should be at least 10 to 15) and can still get in. I believe most schools keep 33 to 50% of their class size open after dec 1st. This enough chances for someone with a monster gpa and good dat scores like the OP.

What does OP mean btw? I am a newb sorry.

 

[zgoettsc]

What does OP mean btw? I am a newb sorry.

Original Poster

 

[Hawk5]

Also, one of my main concerns:

Is my PAT score of 17 going to kill me?

 

[Hawk5]

Original Poster

Gotcha. Thanks

 

[Jackson-Ave-Dental]

bro dont be a toolbag and piggy back your useless info.

OP has a great shot at those schools BECAUSE they care about high GPAs rather than DAT scores. The OP should def apply and he/she STILL HAS A SHOT OF GETTING IN! Stop being competitive and telling the people not to apply to schools. DONT BE THAT GUY.

OP can apply to whatever schools make sense (which should be at least 10 to 15) and can still get in. I believe most schools keep 33 to 50% of their class size open after dec 1st. This enough chances for someone with a monster gpa and good dat scores like the OP.

Based off of acceptance stats... It appears that Harvard likes high GPAs and from those on SDN who've received invites from harvard have a 3.9+ with crazy ECs.

Columbia on the other hand can't keep its hands out of the high DAT cookie jar. They even boast about their matriculants having scored within the top 3-5th percentile consistently every year.

 

[sacapuntas]

bro dont be a toolbag and piggy back your useless info.

OP has a great shot at those schools BECAUSE they care about high GPAs rather than DAT scores. The OP should def apply and he/she STILL HAS A SHOT OF GETTING IN! Stop being competitive and telling the people not to apply to schools. DONT BE THAT GUY.

OP can apply to whatever schools make sense (which should be at least 10 to 15) and can still get in. I believe most schools keep 33 to 50% of their class size open after dec 1st. This enough chances for someone with a monster gpa and good dat scores like the OP.

avicii,

If I were being competitive I would encourage the OP to apply this year since I am applying next year. I was being reasonable and telling the OP to apply only to top choices and save $$ for next cycle as it is very late in the application cycle.

My point remains, you give advice that is way beyond your scope of expertise. I don't know why you feel the need to give advice on every thread, regardless of your knowledge base...I am simply warning the OP of that fact.

 

[MrAvicii]

avicii,

If I were being competitive I would encourage the OP to apply this year since I am applying next year. I was being reasonable and telling the OP to apply only to top choices and save $$ for next cycle as it is very late in the application cycle.

My point remains, you give advice that is way beyond your scope of expertise. I don't know why you feel the need to give advice on every thread, regardless of your knowledge base...I am simply warning the OP of that fact.

haters gonna hate. i will give advice as often as I like. I am giving the OP the real deal from FACTUAL INFORMATION! If you dont like it, you can simply stop reading my posts. The OP has a REAL SHOT and it seems like he/she wants to take a shot.

If the OP had a 3.3 gpa, do you think I would tell him/her to apply? With a 3.8 GPA and a 20 thats a formula for success.

I dont know what your problem is but you better get over it or stop reading my posts. Thanks!

 

[RSalha17]

Contrary to what SDN may lead you to believe, no one is going to be able to tell you what your chances are at any dental school based on a DAT score and two GPA numbers without any additional, qualifying information. And even with more information, it would be nothing more than speculation. Sorry. Personally, I wouldn't base a financial decision that will ultimately cost you $1000-2000+ based on what a few online posters have to say about your "stats".

This is probably the single most aggravating aspect of this website. The whole notion of 'stats' is absurd. There is so much more that goes into this process.

Where did you go to school? Is it a top ranked program? Is it a community college? Is it a less than competitive state school?

A GPA from school A means something completely different than a GPA from School B.

As a crude example, let's take the state of North Carolina for example: A 3.80 GPA from Western Carolina University means something completely different than a 3.80 GPA from Duke University. And I believe this is fairly obvious and intuitive.

You should be able to serve as your own judge on the weight of your GPA with regards to the competitiveness, or lack thereof, of your undergraduate program.

As far as the DAT - as other have suggested, some schools have cutoffs for scores. Sometimes these scoring minimums are posted online - sometimes you have to ask directly. Many schools have a target minimum of 18. Some are as low as 15. Some say they don't have any written standards. Some schools value the PAT greatly, others not as much. It just depends.

If money is not an issue then it certainly won't hurt to apply this cycle. You obviously have zero chance if you don't apply at all.

However, based on the timing alone, you have made things quite difficult. It's already November. You are quite late and just from a statistical standpoint, the odds are not in your favor. But anything can happen. Folks always get in late and folks always get in that apply late. It just depends.

As I said, no one is going to be able to offer you sound advice based off a GPA and DAT score.

Do what you think feels like the wise decision.

VERY WELL SAID! 👍

OP do what you wish man. I know you're posting this to get good ideas and weigh your options, but you know you better than anyone here. I personally would apply to a few schools that I really wanted to get into, and if not just wait and apply early next cycle ready to go in June. Good luck! 🙂

 

[sacapuntas]

VERY WELL SAID! 👍

OP do what you wish man. I know you're posting this to get good ideas and weigh your options, but you know you better than anyone here. I personally would apply to a few schools that I really wanted to get into, and if not just wait and apply early next cycle ready to go in June. Good luck! 🙂

+1

Exactly what I said. Let's see if avicci leaves you alone.

 

[MrAvicii]

+1

Exactly what I said. Let's see if avicci leaves you alone.

never. hit ignore buddy. aint no stopping me now! im a man on a mission. for a world without putas or whatever your name is lol

 

[doctor123456789]

Contrary to what SDN may lead you to believe, no one is going to be able to tell you what your chances are at any dental school based on a DAT score and two GPA numbers without any additional, qualifying information. And even with more information, it would be nothing more than speculation. Sorry. Personally, I wouldn't base a financial decision that will ultimately cost you $1000-2000+ based on what a few online posters have to say about your "stats".

This is probably the single most aggravating aspect of this website. The whole notion of 'stats' is absurd. There is so much more that goes into this process.

Where did you go to school? Is it a top ranked program? Is it a community college? Is it a less than competitive state school?

A GPA from school A means something completely different than a GPA from School B.

As a crude example, let's take the state of North Carolina for example: A 3.80 GPA from Western Carolina University means something completely different than a 3.80 GPA from Duke University. And I believe this is fairly obvious and intuitive.

You should be able to serve as your own judge on the weight of your GPA with regards to the competitiveness, or lack thereof, of your undergraduate program.

As far as the DAT - as other have suggested, some schools have cutoffs for scores. Sometimes these scoring minimums are posted online - sometimes you have to ask directly. Many schools have a target minimum of 18. Some are as low as 15. Some say they don't have any written standards. Some schools value the PAT greatly, others not as much. It just depends.

If money is not an issue then it certainly won't hurt to apply this cycle. You obviously have zero chance if you don't apply at all.

However, based on the timing alone, you have made things quite difficult. It's already November. You are quite late and just from a statistical standpoint, the odds are not in your favor. But anything can happen. Folks always get in late and folks always get in that apply late. It just depends.

As I said, no one is going to be able to offer you sound advice based off a GPA and DAT score.

Do what you think feels like the wise decision.

I mean sure that name has something to do with it, but i think gpa gets pretty leveled out with the dat. Thats the whole point of it. He did really well on his science sections, so i wouldn't imagine he has too much of an inflated gapah.

 

[BobLoblawDDS]

Some schools could care less about your PAT. Just apply where you're interested in going and I'd be surprised if you don't get into multiple schools.

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Why do people still make this mistake?! 😳

 

[DentalJedi]

I agree with what someone said about the GPA/DAT combo meaning more than the GPA/school combo. Although there is a high probability that I'm biased because I go to a non-competitive state school.

As far as what schools to apply to definitely NYU and any state schools. Unless you have really great ECs (especially this late in the cycle) I don't know if it would be worth the money to apply to the Ivy's. It might help to go on predents and check what the stats of people at different schools are like. Since you're applying late it'd be best to apply to schools with lower averages than yours (although that will be most schools so maybe that's not helpful).

 

[Hawk5]

I agree with what someone said about the GPA/DAT combo meaning more than the GPA/school combo. Although there is a high probability that I'm biased because I go to a non-competitive state school.

As far as what schools to apply to definitely NYU and any state schools. Unless you have really great ECs (especially this late in the cycle) I don't know if it would be worth the money to apply to the Ivy's. It might help to go on predents and check what the stats of people at different schools are like. Since you're applying late it'd be best to apply to schools with lower averages than yours (although that will be most schools so maybe that's not helpful).

Thanks Jedi.

 

[snapple59]

I think it's a little bit late to apply now. But who knows one of school would say YES. It only takes a school to take a chance on you. You would definitely got in if you applied back in May or June.