Deciding Osteopathic School, need help!

[NNguyenMD]

I wanted to ask anyone that if I wanted to pursue a competitive residency in the future (Osteopathic or Allopathic), which would be the best choice regardless of cost or location. And in best I mean, best basic science organization/preparation, clinical sites, clinical rotation didactics/teaching, residency program opportunities, etc.

In competitive residencies I more specifically mean G-Surg, Ortho, ENT, Rad/Onc, Derm.

1) TUCOM-MI
2) UMDNJ
3) AZCOM

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[Toohotinvegas33]

Out of those 3 schools, I would say UMDNJ, because it has all those residencies if you include there allo school, So you can easily get face time with the program directors in those specialties. IMO, radonc will be a miracle, derm is possible since we have our own programs but still very tough, the rest can be achieved if you work hard enough.

 

[Old_Mil]

I wanted to ask anyone that if I wanted to pursue a competitive residency in the future (Osteopathic or Allopathic), which would be the best choice regardless of cost or location. And in best I mean, best basic science organization/preparation, clinical sites, clinical rotation didactics/teaching, residency program opportunities, etc.

In competitive residencies I more specifically mean G-Surg, Ortho, ENT, Rad/Onc, Derm.

1) TUCOM-MI
2) UMDNJ
3) AZCOM

The one thing that will mean the most as far as getting one of those competitive residencies is rocking USMLE Step 1. Not COMLEX, USMLE Step 1. So choose a medical school whose curriculum and academic calendar is compatible with that goal.

And remember, there's a rather large difference in the curricula of medical schools.

 

[mikeyb01]

The one thing that will mean the most as far as getting one of those competitive residencies is rocking USMLE Step 1. Not COMLEX, USMLE Step 1. So choose a medical school whose curriculum and academic calendar is compatible with that goal.

And remember, there's a rather large difference in the curricula of medical schools.

Very much agree with Old_Mil. Whichever school you decide upon, work hard, do well on your exams, rank near the top of your class, and score highly on the boards (USMLE & COMLEX). Each school has people in its classes who are competitve for the slots you listed and people who aren't. If that's what you want, make sure you put in the time and get it done.

I would take Toohot's comments about what's a miracle with a grain of salt. DOs matched to programs this year that many people would have said would be impossible if asked four or five years ago. It's tough to say where we'll be in 2011 or 2012. Good luck.

 

[Aloha Kid]

It would seem all 3 schools are comparable. Choose the school you would be happy at, not which one puts out the most surgeons. In the long run, you will probably do yourself no harm as long as you are willing to put in the work and effort.

 

[MaximusD]

Out of those 3 schools, I would say UMDNJ, because it has all those residencies if you include there allo school, So you can easily get face time with the program directors in those specialties. IMO, radonc will be a miracle, derm is possible since we have our own programs but still very tough, the rest can be achieved if you work hard enough.

As it is at ANY school in any part of the country...

For radonc, you're going to want some relevant research under your belt. UMDNJ would be the best of the three for that. At UMDNJ you have all three campuses available for research opportunities although I wouldnt' want to live anywhere close to Newark if I had the choice lol. SOM is in a fairly nice area in close proximity to the Jersey shore

 

[Dr JPH]

IMO, radonc will be a miracle,

What is your opinion based on?

 

[Bluemirage]

Out of those 3 schools, I would say UMDNJ, because it has all those residencies if you include there allo school, So you can easily get face time with the program directors in those specialties. IMO, radonc will be a miracle, derm is possible since we have our own programs but still very tough, the rest can be achieved if you work hard enough.

Radonc is not a miracle...several people have done it in the past 2 years from DO schools(check out residency match lists). I believe individuals were from DMU, AZCOM and KCUMB matching Radonc at all allopathic institutions. Someone matched in allo Derm this year also. There was also a match into allo neurosurgery this year. Nothing is impossible for DO's anymore.

 

[Toohotinvegas33]

What is your opinion based on?

1. Because it probably has the least spots of any residency.
2. No AOA program yet.
3. DO schools aren't necessarily big in ground breaking cancer research.
4. When someone does get radonc from a particular school, that entire matchlist is deemed awesome (SDN phenomena).

But a couple miracles happen every year. I just wanted to stress that is was going to be a very challenging journey.

 

[Dr JPH]

1. Because it probably has the least spots of any residency.

Incorrect

2. No AOA program yet.

Correct

3. DO schools aren't necessarily big in ground breaking cancer research.

Incorrect

4. When someone does get radonc from a particular school, that entire matchlist is deemed awesome (SDN phenomena).

Insignificant.

But a couple miracles happen every year. I just wanted to stress that is was going to be a very challenging journey.

Glad someone with such experience could clarify this issue. Thanks.

 

[NeuroDocDO]

KCUMB MATCH LIST 2007

ANESTHESIOLOGY (12)

St. Louis University (4)
Loyola University
Ohio State University
Oklahoma State University Tulsa Regional Medical Center
Penn State University Hershey Medical Center
University of Missouri St. Luke’s Medical Center (2)
University of Texas
Vanderbilt University

DERMATOLOGY (1)

Kansas University Medical Center

DIAGNOSTIC RADIOLOGY (3)

University of Missouri, Kansas City
St. Barnabas Hospital
University of Nebraska

EMERGENCY MEDICINE (29)

St. Joseph’s Medical Center
Freeman Health System (2)
St. Francis’ Medical Center
Oakwood Southshore Hospital
St. James Hospital and Health Center (2)
Metro Health Hospital
Southwest Medical Center (4)
Kennedy Memorial Hospital
Memorial Hospital
Ingham Regional Medical Center
St. Vincent Mercy Medical Center
St. John Oakland Hospital
Henry Ford Health System/Henry Ford Bi-Cnty
St. John West Shore Hospital
Genesys Health System
Pitt County Memorial Hospital
Botsford Health Care
University of Missouri, KC
Midwestern University
UMDNJ Robert Wood Johnson Medical School Program at Camden
Metrohealth Medical Center
Lehigh Valley/Muhlenberg
Doctor’s Hospital-Columbus
Earl K. Long Medical Center

FAMILY MEDICINE (38)

Utah Valley Regional Medical Center
Pensacola Naval Hospital
University of Wisconsin SMPH (2)
John Peter Smith Hospital
University of Missouri, KC (2)
Research Medical Center
Kansas University Medical Center (4)
Grant Medical Center
Idaho Family Medicine Residency Program
University of Mississippi
Pontiac Osteopathic Hospital
University of Colorado at Denver Health Science Center
Southern Illinois University
Cox Family Medicine (3)
Via Christi Regional Medical Center (4)
Great Plains Medical Foundation
Broadlawns Medical Center
Camp Pendleton Naval Hospital
Obleness Memorial Hospital
Madigan Army Medical Center
Montgomery Family Medicine Program
Florida Hospital East Orlando
Womack Army Community Hospital
Deaconess Hospital
Southern Colorado Program (2)
North Mississippi Medical Center
Truman Lakewood/St Lukes

GENERAL SURGERY (9)

Hospital of St. Raphael
Lutheran Medical Center
Des Peres Hospital
San Diego Naval Medical Center
Affinity Medical Center: Doctors Campus
Marshfield Clinic and St. Joseph’s Hospital Program
Genesys Health Systems
Henry Ford Health System/ Henry Ford Bi-Cnty
Garden City Hospital

INTERNAL MEDICINE (43)

Garden City Hospital
St. Joseph Health Care
Kansas University Medical Center (2)
Medical College of Georgia (2)
University of Mississippi (3)
University of Tennessee
Brooke Army Medical Center (2)
Portsmouth Navy Medical Center
St. Joseph’s Mercy of MACOMB
Indiana University (2)
E.W. Sparrow Hospital
University of Missouri, KC
Pontiac Osteopathic Hospital
University of Kansas Medical Center: Wichitaw
Pacific Hospital
University of North Texas Health Science Center
Grandview Hospital and Medical Center
Oregon Health Science University
St. John Detroit Riverview
Virginia Commonwealth University
Ingham Regional Medical Center (3)
Keesler AFB Medical Center
Walter Reed Army Medical Center
Medical College of Wisconsin
University of Texas
St. Louis University Hospital
Mercy Hospital and Medical Center
Advocate Lutheran General Hospital
Cleveland Clinic Foundation (2)
University of Southern California
Cuyahoga Falls General Hospital
St. John Oakland Hospital
Plaza Medical Center of Fort Worth
University of Nevada

INTERNAL MEDICINE/PEDIATRICS (1)

University of Illinois

INTERNAL MEDICINE/PSYCHIATRY (1)

Kansas University Medical Center

INTERNAL MEDICINE/EMERGENCY MEDICINE (1)

Wheeling Hospital


NEUROLOGY (4)

Loma Linda University
University of Texas SW Medical School
Thomas Jefferson University
Botsford General Hospital

NEUROLOGICAL SURGERY (1)

Doctor’s Hospital-Columbus

OTOLARYNGOLOGY/FACIAL PLASTIC SURGERY (2)

Mt. Clemens Regional Medical Center
Affinity Medical Center-Doctors Campus

ORTHOPEDIC SURGERY (8)

Pontiac Osteopathic Hospital (2)
Oklahoma State University Tulsa Regional Medical Center
Grandview Hospital and Medical Center (2)
St. Anthony Hospital (2)
Henry Ford Health System/Henry Ford Bi-Cnty

OBSTETRICS & GYNECOLOGY (12)

Henry Ford Wyandotte Hospital (2)
Akron General Medical Center
SUNY Buffalo
Oregon Health Science University
University of Missouri, KC
Abington Memorial Hospital
University of Missouri
St. Luke’s Hospital
University of South Alabama
San Diego Naval Medical Center
Portsmouth Navy Medical Center

PEDIATRICS (13)

University of Missouri, Children’s Mercy Hospital (6)
Greenville Hospital System University Medical Center of South Carolina
Kansas University Medical Center
Pitt County Memorial Hospital of Brody SOM
University of Miami, Miami Children’s Hospital
Henry Ford Health System/Henry Ford Bi-Cnty
University of Iowa, Blank Children’s Hospital
University of Tennessee, T.C. Thompson Children’s Hospital

PATHOLOGY (3)

Ball Memorial Hospital of Indiana University
Kansas University Medical Center
University of Texas SW Medical School

PSYCHIATRY (6)

University of Illinois COM
Kansas University Medical Center
University of Arkansas: Little Rock (2)
University of Missouri
University of Minnesota Medical School

PHYSICAL MEDICINE & REHABILITATION (4)

University of Missouri: Columbia
Loyola University Hospital
Baylor College of Medicine
McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University

PRELIMINARY INTERNAL MEDICINE (3)

University of Missouri, KC (2)
SUNY Upstate Medical University

PRELIMINARY SURGERY (3)

University of Arkansas: Little Rock
Fairview Health System Program
University of Minnesota Medical School

TRADITIONAL ROTATING INTERNSHIP (51)

University of New England
Providence Hospital: Southfield
Oakwood Southshore Hospital (3)
Riverside Methodist Hospital
St. Joseph’s Health Center (2)
Penisula Hospital Center
St. James Hospital and Health Center (2)
Lutheran Medical Center
St. Vincent Mercy Medical Center
Des Peres Hospital
Kennedy Memorial Hospital
Palms West Hospital
Memorial Hospital
Pontiac Osteopathic Hospital (4)
Tulsa Regional Medical Center
Grandview Hospital and Medical Center (3)
New Hanover Regional Medical Center
Henry Ford Wyandotte Hospital
San Diego Naval Medical Center
Doctor’s Hospital-Columbus
Affinity Medical Center-Doctors Campus
University of Missouri
Via Christi Regional Medical Center (2)
Madigan Army Medical Center
Portsmouth Navy Medical Center
Obleness Memorial Hospital
St. John West Shore Hospital
Genesys Health Systems (2)
Metro Health Hospital
Illinois Masonic Medical Center
St. Anthony Hospital (2)
Bay Area Corpus Christi Medical Center
St. Barnabas Hospital
Henry Ford Health System/Henry Ford Bi-Cnty
Northside Hospital and Heart Institute
Tripler Army Medical Center
Garden City Hospital
Lehigh/Valley Muhlenberg
Botsford General Hospital

UROLOGY (1)

Metro Health Hospital

 

[Toohotinvegas33]

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Glad someone with such experience could clarify this issue. Thanks.

You were a lot less anal before you matched (atleast I think so). Besides, nothing I said was completely incorrect. There are very few spots, and maybe a couple of the more estabished schools do some cancer research.

 

[MaximusD]

You were a lot less anal before you matched (atleast I think so). Besides, nothing I said was completely incorrect. There are very few spots, and maybe a couple of the more estabished schools do some cancer research.

That's more accurate. I think one of JP's pet peeves is broad, sweeping generalizations...

 

[bth7]

To aid you in your decision:

Touro University COM - 2007 Match Results

Arrowhead Regional Med Ctr, Colton, CA Emergency Medicine
Arrowhead Regional Med Ctr, Colton, CA Family Practice (3)
Arrowhead Regional Med Ctr, Colton, CA General Surgery
Arrowhead Regional Med Ctr, Colton, CA Internal Medicine (3)
Arrowhead Regional Med Ctr, Colton, CA Internship
Baton Rouge Medical Center, Baton Rouge, LA Family Practice (2)
Bay Area Corpus Christi Med Ctr, Corpus, Christi, TX Internship (2)
Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, TX PM & R
Baystate Medical Center, MA OB-GYN
Botsford General Hospital, Botsford, MI Internal Medicine
Botsford General Hospital, Detroit, MI Emergency Medicine
Brooke Army Med Ctr, Ft Sam Houston, TX Internship
CCOM, Chicago, IL OB-GYN
Christ Hospital, Jersey City, NJ Internship
Christiana Care, Wilmington, DE Med-Pediatrics
Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, OH Anesthesia
Cook County Hospital, Chicago, IL Emergency Medicine
Cook County Hospital, Chicago, IL Preliminary-Medicine
Darnall Army Med Ctr, Ft Hood, TX Emergency Medicine (2)
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr, NH Neurology
Doctors' Hospital, Columbus, OH General Surgery
Doctors' Hospital, Downey, CA Internship
Doctors' Hospital, Downey, CA Internship
Downey Regional Medical Center, Downey, CA Family Practice
Duke/Southern Area Regional, Fayetteville, NC Family Practice
Exempla St Joseph Hospital, Denver, CO Family Practice
Genesys Health System, Grand Blanc, MI Emergency Medicine
Georgetown University Hospital, Washington, DC Neurology
Grandview Hospital/Med Ctr, Dayton, OH Orthopedics
Grant Hospital, Columbus, OH Family Practice
Harbor--UCLA, Los Angeles, CA Psychiatry
Harbor--UCLA, Torrance, CA Psychiatry
Henry Ford Wyandotte Hospital, Wyandotte, MI General Surgery
Henry Ford Wyandotte Hospital, Wyandotte, MI Internship
Henry Ford Wyandotte Hospital, Wyandotte, MI Neurology
Highland Hospital. Alameda, CA Medicine-Primary
Highland Hospital, Alameda, CA Preliminary-Medicine (2)
Kaiser, Oakland, CA Internal Medicine (2)
Kaiser, Southern California Family Practice
Kingman Regional Med Ctr, Kingman, AZ Emergency Medicine
Legacy Emanuel/Good Samaritan Hospital, Portland, OR Internal Medicine
Lehigh Valley/Muhlenberg, Bethlehem, PA Emergency Medicine
Loma Linda University, Loma Linda, CA Internal Medicine
Loma Linda University, Loma Linda, CA Psychiatry
Madigan Army Med Ctr, Tacoma, WA Emergency Medicine
Madigan Army Med Ctr, Tacoma, WA Pediatrics
Memorial Hospital, York, PA General Surgery
Memorial Hospital, York, PA OB-GYN
Mercy Hospital, Merced, CA Family Practice
Mercy Med Ctr, Redding, CA Family Practice​

 

[Dr JPH]

I think one of JP's pet peeves is broad, sweeping generalizations...

Particularly by those who have not been there yet.

ie: premeds talking about medical school, 1st years talking about rotations, 2nd years talking about the match

In this case we have a premed talking about the match

For example, I dont go to the intern lounge and start yammering about what is the truth and "how things are".