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I am thinking of defering my NYU admission for 1 year
so that I can retake Part 1 and try to get admitted to
a 2-year IDP next year. I could tell NYU that I am
having trouble arranging a loan and need an extra year
to get a co-signer. I think that most people are able
to improve their score 5 to 10 points by really studying
hard, so I think I could score in the low 90's.
I could still graduate at the same time
as I would have if I went to NYU as long as I get admitted
somewhere else next year. In the worst case if I don't get
another admission, I could just enter NYU next year.
I think that I would only lose the deposit if I do
not end up going to NYU, and my seat should be guaranteed
for 1 year.

I have come up with a list of advantages and disadvantages
to this approach.


Advantages
1) Save about $70,000 if I can get get admitted elsewhere.

2) Don't have to worry about getting kicked out of NYU
and losing my dental career. Every year NYU kicks about
50 people out of dental school out of a total enrollment
of about 1200. Some people are kicked out for some pretty
weak reasons. I read in the Dental Forum that two students
got kicked out of NYU because a student asked one of his
friends to put his name on the attendance sheet for a
lecture that he couldn't attend. In this case it would
have been reasonable to deduct a few points from their
grades for the class but not to kick them both out of
dental school. In other cases the instructor will set
the curve so that 1/4 of the class fails, and then if a
student fails a few classes he is kicked out. I would
rather go to an IDP where we are treated with more respect
and are not just a number in their computers.

3) Even if I don't get into a 2-year program, I want to
specialize and need a higher Part 1 score anyway.



Disadvantages
1) I have to deal with taking Part 1 again and studying
hard for it.

2) It is possible that I will not get in anywhere else and
will be in the exact same position next year.




I know Ann03 turned down NYU last year and was able to get
into UCSF this year. I am not sure if she went the deferral
route, but I would like to have a safety net in case I can't
get into a 2-year program.

I am still trying to think about what I should do, so does
anyone see something I missed here?
 

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dent_doc said:
I am thinking of defering my NYU admission for 1 year
so that I can retake Part 1 and try to get admitted to
a 2-year IDP next year. I could tell NYU that I am
having trouble arranging a loan and need an extra year
to get a co-signer. I think that most people are able
to improve their score 5 to 10 points by really studying
hard, so I think I could score in the low 90's.
I could still graduate at the same time
as I would have if I went to NYU as long as I get admitted
somewhere else next year. In the worst case if I don't get
another admission, I could just enter NYU next year.
I think that I would only lose the deposit if I do
not end up going to NYU, and my seat should be guaranteed
for 1 year.

I have come up with a list of advantages and disadvantages
to this approach.


Advantages
1) Save about $70,000 if I can get get admitted elsewhere.

2) Don't have to worry about getting kicked out of NYU
and losing my dental career. Every year NYU kicks about
50 people out of dental school out of a total enrollment
of about 1200. Some people are kicked out for some pretty
weak reasons. I read in the Dental Forum that two students
got kicked out of NYU because a student asked one of his
friends to put his name on the attendance sheet for a
lecture that he couldn't attend. In this case it would
have been reasonable to deduct a few points from their
grades for the class but not to kick them both out of
dental school. In other cases the instructor will set
the curve so that 1/4 of the class fails, and then if a
student fails a few classes he is kicked out. I would
rather go to an IDP where we are treated with more respect
and are not just a number in their computers.

3) Even if I don't get into a 2-year program, I want to
specialize and need a higher Part 1 score anyway.



Disadvantages
1) I have to deal with taking Part 1 again and studying
hard for it.

2) It is possible that I will not get in anywhere else and
will be in the exact same position next year.




I know Ann03 turned down NYU last year and was able to get
into UCSF this year. I am not sure if she went the deferral
route, but I would like to have a safety net in case I can't
get into a 2-year program.

I am still trying to think about what I should do, so does
anyone see something I missed here?

if u dont mind me asking what are ure scores.
if u studied really hard for ure part 1 .. put in max efforts . then i feel that u may or may not increase ure scores....there is a bit of luck involved too
i had read on the forum that somebody got 89 the first time and wanted to improve but landed up with 80 the second time and as ADA only reportsd new scores.. he lost out .
if u ddint putin ure best the first time and are sure that studying again will improve ure score.. then i would suggest go for it .
i personally retook my exam and did improved my score but the moment i starting taking the exam the first time i knew my preparation wasnt adequate.
but then whats life without taking chances......
all the best
 

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dent_doc said:
I am thinking of defering my NYU admission for 1 year
so that I can retake Part 1 and try to get admitted to
a 2-year IDP next year. I could tell NYU that I am
having trouble arranging a loan and need an extra year
to get a co-signer. I think that most people are able
to improve their score 5 to 10 points by really studying
hard, so I think I could score in the low 90's.
I could still graduate at the same time
as I would have if I went to NYU as long as I get admitted
somewhere else next year. In the worst case if I don't get
another admission, I could just enter NYU next year.
I think that I would only lose the deposit if I do
not end up going to NYU, and my seat should be guaranteed
for 1 year.

I have come up with a list of advantages and disadvantages
to this approach.


Advantages
1) Save about $70,000 if I can get get admitted elsewhere.

2) Don't have to worry about getting kicked out of NYU
and losing my dental career. Every year NYU kicks about
50 people out of dental school out of a total enrollment
of about 1200. Some people are kicked out for some pretty
weak reasons. I read in the Dental Forum that two students
got kicked out of NYU because a student asked one of his
friends to put his name on the attendance sheet for a
lecture that he couldn't attend. In this case it would
have been reasonable to deduct a few points from their
grades for the class but not to kick them both out of
dental school. In other cases the instructor will set
the curve so that 1/4 of the class fails, and then if a
student fails a few classes he is kicked out. I would
rather go to an IDP where we are treated with more respect
and are not just a number in their computers.

3) Even if I don't get into a 2-year program, I want to
specialize and need a higher Part 1 score anyway.



Disadvantages
1) I have to deal with taking Part 1 again and studying
hard for it.

2) It is possible that I will not get in anywhere else and
will be in the exact same position next year.




I know Ann03 turned down NYU last year and was able to get
into UCSF this year. I am not sure if she went the deferral
route, but I would like to have a safety net in case I can't
get into a 2-year program.

I am still trying to think about what I should do, so does
anyone see something I missed here?

Hello buddy,

Smart thinking there.. :thumbup:

1)Even I heared that NYU is tougher - meaning have to work really hard especially the first yr of IDP..But I also know that I have to work even harder if I need to improve my scores!(remember if lady luck betrays us then we will end up with even less scores screwing our previous scores!!!)

2) Cheating - the one thing that americans can't tolerate!..I know in our schools- back home, giving proxy is possible(beleive me I have done that :laugh: ). But even when they find out they won't make it a big issue other than warning us(with the mentality of not spoiling students future) .But here they don't care abt that all..

3) Remember NYU's total estimated cost is same compared to California schools!
California schools give you an estimate of 180k for 2 yrs where Nyu's estimate for 2.7 yrs is also 180K

Inspite of all that..For me sitiing at home(worrying abt getting in to school) for 1 more yr IS NOT POSSIBLE!!.
Rather I would spend some more money to join a school even if NYU is costlier than other schools. :eek:

Anyways those are my thoughts and you have to decide what is best for you
goodluck :luck:
 
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Hi Toothie and Dentaldoc,

Thanks for your replies.
My scores are 88, 287, 3.44. I am thinking about studying hard
for Part 1 for about 4 months and then using the old exams to
try to get an estimate of how well I can score. I want to make
sure that I can score in the low 90's on the practice exams
before I sign up for the actual exam. It seems that 88 is good
enough to get interviews at many schools but not good enough
to get admitted anywhere except NYU. There are exceptions,
of course, but admission is much harder with a score less than 90.

The NYU estimate of costs from their web page is
http://www.nyu.edu/dental/academicprograms/ddsap/costs.html

Class of 2006 Class of 2005 Class of 2004
Dormitory/Off Campus 12 months 12 months 9 months
Tuition and Fees $43,984 $43,984 $43,984
Room and Board $20,786 $20,786 $15,589
Books and Instruments $4,641 $4,641 $4,641
Personal Expenses $4,820 $4,820 $3,615
Transportation $866 $866 $650
Health Insurance $1,641 $1,641 $1,641
Total Budget $76,738 $76,738 $70,120

for a total of $223,596. However, these numbers are outdated by two
years since we will start in 2005 and finish in the Class of 2008. Adding
in 4% inflation in dental school costs each year for 2 years gives a total
of $241,841 which is almost a quarter million dollars. :mad: :mad:



toothie said:
if u dont mind me asking what are ure scores.
if u studied really hard for ure part 1 .. put in max efforts . then i feel that u may or may not increase ure scores....there is a bit of luck involved too
i had read on the forum that somebody got 89 the first time and wanted to improve but landed up with 80 the second time and as ADA only reportsd new scores.. he lost out .
if u ddint putin ure best the first time and are sure that studying again will improve ure score.. then i would suggest go for it .
i personally retook my exam and did improved my score but the moment i starting taking the exam the first time i knew my preparation wasnt adequate.
but then whats life without taking chances......
all the best
 

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Hi Healthy Teeth,
Here's more!!!!...lots of issues addressed..about NYU!!!
Maybe merger of all NYU deferral threads is needed!!! :D
GN
 

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There are 5 threads currently on 'NYU and Future Plan' or similar topic. I think they should be tied together.

rahmed
 

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Gaura Nitai said:
Hi Healthy Teeth,
Here's more!!!!...lots of issues addressed..about NYU!!!
Maybe merger of all NYU deferral threads is needed!!! :D
GN
hi
Thanks Gaura Nitai . Oh my god there r so many threads on this topic...this has made me even more skeptical towards NYU... :( these threads definitely has to be merged...but nobody has answered to my question so far...what r the job opportunities for NYU graduate....the choice of school depends on what criteria..is it just the fee , reputation and duration or does the school has a major role to play(considering clinical experience is same ) to find a job after graduation...If it is so then i think there is no point in going for NYU when we cant get a job.. :confused:
 

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Hi Healthy teeth,

I personally know atleast 3-5 great dentists who graduated from NYU , and are doing extremely well in their practice!! :thumbup:
Who said that after NYU graduation one cannot get a job!! the criteria for selection and choosing the school depends on ur view entirely ..!!
every school is tough ..depends how well you can cope.If you are a good student you will be one at any school and come out successfully ..
so nothing can be generalised about this !!!
If you are having the patience to go through the whole admission process and your exams all over again ..then ..you should weigh in the pros and cons ..and decide..!!! :eek:
there are many students in these forums who would love to be in your place , having an admission at NYU ..infact so many are waiting YET to be called for an interview this year!!..and many are waitlisted! :(
Competition is becoming tougher every year!! :scared:
Best wishes :luck:
Vrnda


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hi
Thanks Gaura Nitai . Oh my god there r so many threads on this topic...this has made me even more skeptical towards NYU... :( these threads definitely has to be merged...but nobody has answered to my question so far...what r the job opportunities for NYU graduate....the choice of school depends on what criteria..is it just the fee , reputation and duration or does the school has a major role to play(considering clinical experience is same ) to find a job after graduation...If it is so then i think there is no point in going for NYU when we cant get a job.. :confused:
 

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healthy teeth said:
hi
Thanks Gaura Nitai . Oh my god there r so many threads on this topic...this has made me even more skeptical towards NYU... :( these threads definitely has to be merged...but nobody has answered to my question so far...what r the job opportunities for NYU graduate....the choice of school depends on what criteria..is it just the fee , reputation and duration or does the school has a major role to play(considering clinical experience is same ) to find a job after graduation...If it is so then i think there is no point in going for NYU when we cant get a job.. :confused:
Hi healthy teeth

Regarding your query about job opportunities. Firstly, I have spoken to 3 very successful dental practitioners (Indian dental graduates & in terms of wealth), all graduates of NYU 10-14 years ago (when it was a part time evening course). All of them passed their Licensing board in first shot, been accepted in a dental practice after most of the interviews and two of them even managed to get in GPR after AS DDS. Secondly, I also checked several US dental school websites and different specialities to look for the current resident and the school they graduated from. It was a time consuming effort. I came across few residents who are graduate of NYU. Thirdly, the Grad programs of NYU are quite coveted. so if they have a good Grad program by infeence they should have a decent undergrad program.

These are my observations and findings. If you do a dentist search for NYC/ NY state and surrounding major cities in various state you can get a fairly good idea about practicing dentists from NYU.

I would join NYU if they offer me a seat after March 31 interview. I will list the reasons at some point in near future.

rahmed
 
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congrats on getting the acceptance from NYU...I would suggest you to go ahead with NYU...as already its clear that your present score is not enough to get into other universities ( assuming you attended all the interviews )...so if u wanna get into a two yr program u gotta give your part1 again...and I presonally do not advise that...unless u feel u didnt giv ur best shot the first time...as I know few friends of mine who got lesser scores when they wrote the second time...and no one would ever like tht to happen in their wildest dreams ever!!!!!

coming to point that NYU is expensive...I personally dont think its true...because if u see the estimate...u can see 21000$/yr as boarding and lodging, but from the info I gathered I think v would be spending 1000$ approx/month...so ther u can c a difference of 9,000/yr ( whn compared to the estimate given by the college ) and they have also given 5000$ as personal expenses/yr and I think u can include that also in the 1000$ mentioned above...so on a whole ther is a differnce of 14,000$ approx/yr, so on a whole u will end up paying 2,00,000 for 3yrs ( approx ) and if u see the estimate given for a few colleges in california..its roughly the same....correct me if im wrong....so start doing ur math and take a wise decision!!!!