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Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by nobadwords, Feb 8, 2002.

  1. Lol...

    Guys I think it's so funny how these dental students are all crying and stuff about whether they're gonna get in. EVERYONE KNOWS that dental school is sooo easy to get into. For example, I know soo many stupid kids that have gotten into dental school from my undergrad this year. In addition, I think that these DDS's are just merely MD dropouts and wannabes.
    I know this seems very harsh, but hey I think it's soo funny how these DDSers think they're god's gift to earth when they're not really even half as knowledgeable as a physician. As a side note, SEINFELD rips on DDSers cuz he doesnt even consider them doctors. Hmmmm....not a bad observation, at least in my mind.
     
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    one word: ignorance
     
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    You are a complete idiot. There's not much I can tell you because you are just that stupid and would never understand. And for the record, I'm applying to dental schools and have never considered applying to med schools. My parents are physicians and so you could say because of genetics, I'm definitely not on the stupid side. Oh, and I don't think I'm god's gift to earth. Some predental student probably made you feel stupid and so you came here to vent... <img border="0" alt="[Pity]" title="" src="graemlins/pity.gif" />
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by nobadwords:
    <strong>Lol...

    Guys I think it's so funny how these dental students are all crying and stuff about whether they're gonna get in. EVERYONE KNOWS that dental school is sooo easy to get into. For example, I know soo many stupid kids that have gotten into dental school from my undergrad this year. In addition, I think that these DDS's are just merely MD dropouts and wannabes.
    I know this seems very harsh, but hey I think it's soo funny how these DDSers think they're god's gift to earth when they're not really even half as knowledgeable as a physician. As a side note, SEINFELD rips on DDSers cuz he doesnt even consider them doctors. Hmmmm....not a bad observation, at least in my mind.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nobadwords-Please tell me you are joking? :mad:

    Player- Ditto on that! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     
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    i think this guy is venting because his "chitown" bears were upset after being one of the top seeds, their cubs & white sox are perennial losers and the bulls...well, need i mention more?
     
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    Nobadwords:

    Your ignorance and arrogance are not qualities I would want to associate with any health professional. What I want to know is why you are so bitter and jaded. Maybe you're a "med school wannabe dropout." I hope one of these "dumb dentists" has to do a root canal on you without novocaine.
     
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    I think he meant to go to TPR and just stumbled in here by mistake. I hope he takes his appalling stuff and crawls back into his cave (no offense, Caveman).
     
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    I haven't been on SDN for a long time, but this is by far the stupidest thread that I have ever seen. Nobadwords: why don't you just start a thread titled "Nobadwords is an A$$hole," as it would get the same point across.
     
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    Can't get into ANY school, can you nobadwords. LOL! <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
     
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    Grow up... nobadwords, seriously GROW UP !
     
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    Ms. Purtell, so funny, yet so true. This person is def. a loser <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
     
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    Nobadwords sounds to me like a complete loser.A case of "GRAPES ARE SOUR"
     
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    Shouldn't his name be allbadwords? <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
     
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    oh yeah, AND I have an answer for your other question that you posted in allopathic on 2/2:
    I'll even go so far as to bring it to everyone's attention and refresh it for you:

    nobadwords: "Here's my question, and NO this isn't a joke. I was just wondering. If someone was to masturbate (presumbably a guy) very often are there any major side effects? When I say very often I mean if this person was to do it once a day or so. I'm just perplexed because this question arose in a conversation and being a med student I was dumbfounded as what the answer would be. I gave the generic answer: "ONe should do everything in moderation, overduing anything (including masturbation) can be bad". But as is the case (why I'm writing this post) I couldn't give any support. I have previously read somewhere (MAXIM) that masturbation helps with blood flow and for circulation, is that true? In addition, this person says he doesnt have a history of high blood pressure or any other abnormalities. So basically what are the possibly ramifications?"

    ANSWER: There is a side effect of masturbating in excess...spending so much time pleasing yourself leads one to have an incredibly enlarged ego. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> ANSWER: There is a side effect of masturbating in excess...spending so much time pleasing yourself leads one to have an incredibly enlarged ego. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Good one ! <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
     
  18. hi,
    i would like to ask serious questions pertaining to this topic, no insults.
    so the dentist also goes through 4 years of medschool and accumulates the same amount of loans. and then his salary is &lt;150k. a computer programmer on wall street makes about that much, more if the market is doing well- big bonus.
    now, after 6 years of residensy, a spine or sports orthopedic surgeon makes &gt;350k. while, whether you make 40k or 100k, you're not doing too well, with a 350k you may invest in real estate after a few years and soon retire. also, ER and Dermatologists only have 3 year residensies.

    by the way, isn't it rewarding to fix anna kournikova's leg from a tennis injury as an orthopedic surgeon? i'm sure she doesn't need to go to a dentist. also people who go to orthopedic surgeons, just tend to have accidents, like car accident or sports injury... but people who go to a dentist or to a regular physician or cardiologist, just tend to be generally unhealthy. and i don't like such people.

    also, i heard that you can take a summer program somewhere like in costa rica and brazille as a med student. of course you must help the poor people there, but you also get to surf no?
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by pj02007:
    <strong>hi,
    i would like to ask serious questions pertaining to this topic, no insults.
    so the dentist also goes through 4 years of medschool and accumulates the same amount of loans. and then his salary is &lt;150k. a computer programmer on wall street makes about that much, more if the market is doing well- big bonus.
    now, after 6 years of residensy, a spine or sports orthopedic surgeon makes &gt;350k. while, whether you make 40k or 100k, you're not doing too well, with a 350k you may invest in real estate after a few years and soon retire. also, ER and Dermatologists only have 3 year residensies.

    by the way, isn't it rewarding to fix anna kournikova's leg from a tennis injury as an orthopedic surgeon? i'm sure she doesn't need to go to a dentist. also people who go to orthopedic surgeons, just tend to have accidents, like car accident or sports injury... but people who go to a dentist or to a regular physician or cardiologist, just tend to be generally unhealthy. and i don't like such people.

    </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sorry, but does anyone here speak "stupid"? I can't translate the above post. People who see a dentist or to a "regular" physician, or cardiologist, just tend to be generally unhealthy?? Ok. And you don't like unhealthy people. WHAT?

    This is plain weird. If you like healthy people and accidents, try law. But fix that English up first. What exactly was the question? Was it about surfing?

    Oh, and I don't know of ANY doctor that WOULDN'T see a dentist if he/she had a toothache.

    peace

    Reading is FUN-damental
     
  20. yeah i know most people in ny wear glasses and go to a dentist and to a cardiologist for certain reasons. but i would rather treat someone who was injured in a car accident, than some new yorker with too much cholesterol. and people who frequent dentists are new yorkers who don't brush their teeth after eating their burgers!

    and i was interested in a serious discussion of being a doctor vs a dentist, not your insults.
     
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    Everybody stop respondng to the original post. It was not a true conviction, just some loser laughing at how much of a rise he or she's getting out of you. Come on, you're all smarter than that. Jesus.

    Love,
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    OH, I get it. You only want to treat those poor unfortunate innocent souls who got hurt by "accident". Not people who eat too much, or unhygienic people who don't brush and get gum disease, and basically anyone who "gets" themselves sick of their own accord. I don't think you really have the RIGHT to choose who gets treatment or not.

    But maybe you bring up a good point after all, is treatment a privilege or a right? As a doctor, do you have the right to refuse care?

    I'll apologize for the insult. But I wholeheartedly disagree with your values.

    peace
     
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    This is by far the most stupid thread I have seen. It keeps getting worse with each additional post. Guys, just give it a rest. Everyone needs doctors and dentists. Can't we all just get along? :D

    p.s. I thought dermatologists have 4 year residencies. That's what the derms at Mount Sinai told me. 3 years would be great.
     
  24. i also apologize for talking about new yorkers or those fat "people". and i didn't mean i would refuse treatment. just that many of the orthopedists' patients are otherwise healthy. and if you fix them, you may even go skiing with them 1 day. but cardiologists have to deal with people who have no respect for their own bodies. i was only talking about the job...

    dr foxy, you're right, wheather it's 3+1 or 4. but either way, dermatology is competitive for a reason. you work very little during the residensy...

    and i have to go now and won't post on this thread any more
     
  25. YES!!! Finally there is someone else in this squalid world who is pugilistic enough to state that DDS's are exactly like a DC---FAKE DOCTOR! For those clairvoyant individuals out there, do you ever notice how nearly all DCs use the prefix "Dr." in front of there name, as opposed to "first name/last name, D.C.". It is only because these wannabe med school failures realize that the public will not recognize them as a supposed "Dr.", with these dorky initials after their name. The designation "D.C." carries little weight or rspect. These crafty snake oil salesmen hope, that in the event of preceding their name with "Dr.", peaople will assume that they are true Doctors of Medicine; I mean, c'mon, who really goes to college as "pre-chiro"-- Individuals only become pre-chiro when they are deemed not worthy of the rigors of med school. My point is most salient and should be taken to heart by all of those non-M.D.'s who care to attach the designation of Dr. to their name. These people are doing nothing more than diluting the title of Dr. for those who really did jump all the hurdles and finish med school. D.C.'s--WHAT A JOCULAR BUNCH!!!!
     
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    pj02007,

    Are you even serious? I don't think I believe that you are being honest...if you are, then you I hope to god you don't do anything in healthcare...you respect orthopedics more than cardiology because those patients have more respect for their body? What the hell are you talking about? According to you, people who overwork their bodies in sports and need surgery have more respect for their body. I think that both pj and nobadwords are either just [email protected] around or they have very few brain cells left. I wonder what your thoughts on osteopathic, pharmacy, PA, physical therapy, podiatry etc schools are...

    on another note, Loki2 referred to me as a male and just for the record, I am a female :D
     
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    OHIOMD2B

    that last post of mine goes for you also. one thing, why the hell would you compare dentistry to chiropractic? You dissed dentistry and argued about chiropractic...I guess you're just stupid.
     
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    Ohio and pj and others: Why do you guys care so much about the title of doctor? You're so desperate for respect? Any professional should be respected, as they have all worked hard to get where they are.

    If you want to be an MD for the fulfillment of the job, then go for it. But just for the title is a little superficial.

    Please contain your ignorance and save it for people who care.
     
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    ....and I thought I was the most ignorant person on this forum :p
     
  30. I bet pj, ohio and nobadwords are the same person. :D :p
     
  31. i'm certainly not. and i have no interest in posting more on this thread
     
  32. Ok well hey I have to agree with Ohio on this one. Ok fine maybe I opened this thread up by venting a little. But in all seriousness, I think MD's whether from the carribean, another country, the US anything are more important.

    Plus, Ohio makes a good point which i forgot. DOES ANYONE TRULY TRULY go to undergrad to do predent. i mean there are ppl and dont get me wrong. But these ppl are almost alwys who just cant handle the rigor of medicine, yet they want the title "Dr" before their names. Every predent at my school (with the exception of one) was at one point in time a premed. They only turn PreDent because it's a profession that makes relatively good money. BUt to me a DR is a MEDICAL DOCTOR. I think that many ppl in the professional realm are dealing with this same situation. For example, if you havent noticed a lot of professors are now starting to call themselves PROFESSOR SO AND SO.
    This sort of distinction is necessary because it differentiates between teh professional DR and the academic Dr.

    But you know what, for all of you ppl that think I'm just an idiot why dont you go and find out the origin of the word doctor. It's from teh latin DOCTUS. It's always referred to the modern equivalent of a MEDICAL DOCTOR, not a dentist. The word dentist has its roots in DONS (or teeth). Truly, the professions are completely different and dentists, chiropractors, optometrist should not be able to have the title DR.

    Obviously, as you can see these dentists and chiropractors, and opto's all abdopted the title "DR" so that ppl would look at them with more respect. THey use that name so that they can feel better about themselves and the images that they portray. I mean lets not get too carried, I do understand that dentists are necessary for what they do. However, why use the name DR? A doctor is far more well rounded, they concentrate on wholistically understanding the human body-----not just their teeth!

    ok well hey i thought i'd start this thread because it's something that a lot of real world MDs talk about, I know this because I have shadowed them. They look down at DDSers because they know that these guys are all just MDdropouts who just couldnt hang yet desire and call for the same trophies.

    well to each his own but I think we all know that MD's are the ****!
     
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    The professionals you have listed have worked very hard in school to get where they are today. To me, the word doctor means someone who can cure a health problem....this means it encompasses optometrists, dentists, MDs, etc.....

    Professionals do not become non-MDs becasue they want the title of doctor and the associated respect. Maybe they didn't have high enough mcat scores to get into med school, yet they still were interested in working in a health-related field. In this case, I'm only talking about my father's experience.

    I think you are biased and ignorant in your statements, nobadwords, but it's a public forum and you're free to state your opinions. Please remember that everyone will not always agree with you.
     
  34. Hey you can call me waht you want but hey you said it yourself. Dentists or whoever else simply didnt have the higher mcat score, or even more mildly speaking the mental capacity, THUS they went on to plan B. Plan B (which is usually inferior to Plan A, generally speaking) is always what ppl do as an alternative.

    If becoming a dentist is an ALTERNATIVE, why allow them to hold the same title as a physician? If they were so confident of their abilites and not conscious of their reps why not just use the initials DDS to preface their names with (for example Dentist John Smith, rather than Dr. John Smith).
     
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    nobadwords: I was a predental student, never premed, and NEVER took the MCAT and never plan on it. I don't really care what the "title" is in front of the person's name...If I don't have any title in front of my name as a dentist, I wouldn't care...why are you so fixated on a title? You obviously have such low self respect you need a title to feel validated. I'm glad you keep posting, yet refusing to answer to me. Like I said, my parents are physicians so I am familiar with the medical field, and I CHOSE to do dentistry. I never planned on applying to med schools, I never took the MCAT, I never called myself premed. I guess we should respect MD/PhD people more than MD's right...I mean, they really are doctor squared, right? Not only are you dumb, you're a jackass too.
     
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    nobadwords - your post is really disturbing - you sound like a class A schmuck and I'm sure you'll be one of the a**h*** doctors we have all unfortunately met at one time or another.

    Do you KNOW any dentists? None of the dentists that I know has ever wanted to be a doctor. Sounds like sour grapes to me.
     
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    Ohio- Thanks for your great post, you were right on the money, I am not intelligent at all so I want to be a Chiro... I can't belive I didn't realize this all along...Thank you so much...

    PS: If you really think what you said is true then you are just as DUMB and ridiculous as the person who started this...

    I do not understand why you Pre med students get so fired up at the fact that Chiropractors are considered Dr's....How does that hurt you? Oh yeah and I am not going to Med school because I don't want too,not because I am not qualified..

    Maybe it just pisses you off that some Chiro patients trust there Chiro Doc more than their MD...

    Finally-I dont have this huge grudge against MD's, why do you always have to pick on everyone else?? Did a pre chiro beat you up or something?

    All I ever hear is: MD's are better than DO, DC DDS, DMD, DPM, OD, DVM...etc.give it break....
     
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    I wonder what he would say if I told him Doctor originally means "Teacher", not M.D. Oh, and that Ph.D's, DDS, DCs, etcs have DOCTORAL degrees and also earn the right to be called doctors. Oh well..if he ever does get that far when he applies, they'll weed him out in the interviews.

    P.S. What's with all the nasty posts lately?
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I do not understand why you Pre med students get so fired up at the fact that Chiropractors are considered Dr's </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">IlliniDC2B please do not generalize one idiot's remarks to all pre-meds. I, for one, could not care less about the "Dr" title and would always prefer to be called by my first name <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

    p.s. this thread is powered by energizer: it keeps going, and going, and . . .
    :D
     
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    a TPR poster sticks out like a sore thumb around these parts.

    this issue isnt even worth addressing.
     
  41. nobadwords,

    Why are you so threatened by other medical professions??? Do you feel that non-MDs are not worthy of the title "DOCTOR"??? I think if you're trying to go to medical school, maybe you should think it over again. I don't think doctors are any better than anyone else. We're basically public servants; we're trained to help and serve other human beings. I don't think the health professions will be complete without doctors of medicine, teeth, eyes, and etc. Do you??? A lot of the times people think they are healthy, but have problems with their eyes or something. So they go to an optometrist to correct that problem, but they find out that they have something seriously wrong, like a tumor in the brain or something (this is a real-life example). Yes, it is sad that SOME people who didn't get into medical school applies to a different health professions school like dental or pharmacy for example (and have no true desire for these professions), but not all of us are in that boat, so don't generalize. Personally, I have never wanted to be an MD. People who have influenced me the most and have spent a great deal of time on me were my dentist and optometrist. I know that I definitely have the numbers to get into a med school, but that's not what I am passionate about.

    As someone mentioned on this post, a doctor really derived from the word "teacher". As a dentist, you teach the public good dental hygiene, etc. They're doctor of dental medicine. Compared to 30 years ago, more people keep their teeth for a much longer time now because of that. A lot of the curriculum, especially the first two years of dental school are almost the same as the first two years of med school, except that we have to take on additional labs on top of the didactics.

    Seriously, the word doctor doesn't matter. You have to earn your own respect and trust from you patients. That's what matter the most for me and I'm sure with many others. Who wants an arrogant doctor?
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by nobadwords:
    <strong>Ok well hey I have to agree with Ohio on this one. Ok fine maybe I opened this thread up by venting a little. But in all seriousness, I think MD's whether from the carribean, another country, the US anything are more important.

    Plus, Ohio makes a good point which i forgot. DOES ANYONE TRULY TRULY go to undergrad to do predent. i mean there are ppl and dont get me wrong. But these ppl are almost alwys who just cant handle the rigor of medicine, yet they want the title "Dr" before their names. Every predent at my school (with the exception of one) was at one point in time a premed. They only turn PreDent because it's a profession that makes relatively good money. BUt to me a DR is a MEDICAL DOCTOR. I think that many ppl in the professional realm are dealing with this same situation. For example, if you havent noticed a lot of professors are now starting to call themselves PROFESSOR SO AND SO.
    This sort of distinction is necessary because it differentiates between teh professional DR and the academic Dr.

    But you know what, for all of you ppl that think I'm just an idiot why dont you go and find out the origin of the word doctor. It's from teh latin DOCTUS. It's always referred to the modern equivalent of a MEDICAL DOCTOR, not a dentist. The word dentist has its roots in DONS (or teeth). Truly, the professions are completely different and dentists, chiropractors, optometrist should not be able to have the title DR.

    Obviously, as you can see these dentists and chiropractors, and opto's all abdopted the title "DR" so that ppl would look at them with more respect. THey use that name so that they can feel better about themselves and the images that they portray. I mean lets not get too carried, I do understand that dentists are necessary for what they do. However, why use the name DR? A doctor is far more well rounded, they concentrate on wholistically understanding the human body-----not just their teeth!

    ok well hey i thought i'd start this thread because it's something that a lot of real world MDs talk about, I know this because I have shadowed them. They look down at DDSers because they know that these guys are all just MDdropouts who just couldnt hang yet desire and call for the same trophies.

    well to each his own but I think we all know that MD's are the ****!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey nobadwords,

    did you know that almost all dental schools make their dental students take the same curriculum as any medical school the first two years, and on top of that take courses specifically for dentists? I think you are becoming an MD for the wrong reasons dude. Maybe those people who you knew from college who changed their minds about medical school realized that medical school wasn't cut out for them. I have a good enough gpa and 2000+ hours in the medical setting, but I hated the entire "kissing ass" part. Most dental schools have lower gpa requirments because they know that just getting a high GPA isn't going to cut it. Just think while I'll be helping people with their mouths you can be probing your index finger up some obese guys rectum. What sounds more fun....? If you are looking for respect I think you should practice outside of north america, since MD's here don't get any respect from lawyers, patients etc. Also, majority of dental school actually grade their students, unlike majority of medical schools where Pass=MD.

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    PS: Better keep your index finger moist with vaseline, someday I might need you to probe my rectum.....
     
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    "IlliniDC2B please do not generalize one idiot's remarks to all pre-meds. I, for one, could not care less about the "Dr" title and would always prefer to be called by my first name"
    -player

    No problem, I don't...:} Sometimes though they seem to come in droves, I like everyone, we all have a place even if some are bigger than the others...

    Peace
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  44. hey i never said that dentists weren't as smart as physicians.
    just that it's not as good a job, because dentists don't make as much money.
    i really like pararescuemen the most but they don't get paid much, so i can't make a career out of it.
     
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    i respect dentists, but the arguments given for the lower GPA and grading system are kinda dumb. first of all, the average GPA is dictated by the demand for positions by students. the more demand, the higher the competition, hence higher the average GPA. why is the average GPA for med applications higher than for dental? it's not because one requires more/less aptitude than the other, it's demand and competition, plain and simple.

    the grading system - I don't see why anyone should be graded past the undergraduate level. once you're in med school, if you are competent, you should pass and be a doctor. similarly, if you are a competent dental student, all you should really have to do is pass to be a dentist. grading system doesn't serve much of a purpose at this level.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">just that it's not as good a job, because dentists don't make as much money.
    </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">pj, you're trying to be a doc for all the wrong reasons. And by the way, dentists don't have to be on-call, can work an 8-5 day and still make as much money as a doc. If you specialize (orthodontics, oral-maxil), you can make even more...money shouldn't be your ultimate goal, at least not in this profession, otherwise you're probably going to be unhappy...and saying "x is not a good of a job as y" is JUST your opinion...your reasoning is just absurd and like I said before, you really sound ignorant. To answer some of the questions you've posted on here, you can do a search and find many threads on those topics. :p
     
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    Oh, and for the record, I am a predental student and agree with schoolboy's argument about the admissions criteria are different for med and dental schools. Oh, and one more thing to throw in there, there are only about 50 dental schools...something to think about :)
     
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    Ok... Time to add my 2 cents to this debate.

    Firstly, nobadwords, I feel really sorry for you because of your fixation on the title of "Doctor" moreso than actually being a person who treats the health problems of patients. You really will do a disservice to any patient you treat, because you feel the need to classify people.

    I think everyone is forgetting those who have PhD's in such disciplines as Chemistry, for example. They have to go through a much more difficult and rigorous graduate program. They must develop a research project, trying to investigate a particular problem or novel theory, and hopefully shed some light on a particularly puzzling topic. They must be able to understand their topic fully and defend their thesis. I'm not saying that these "doctors" are better than any other doctors, but would you consider them less of a doctor than a "medical doctor".

    Frankly, anyone who wants to be an optometrist, dentist, surgeon, ER doctor, it is that person's choice. Whether it is their first choice or not doesn't matter. Dentists are not wannabe MDs. They can prescribe drugs, and they treat a person's health problems as related to their teeth, gums, and so on.

    I know, you probably think you're right, but buddy, please don't delude yourself. Did you take the DAT? Did you go through Dental school. Would you like to do the same courses as you are in medical school, and then go to dental labs to practice drilling, filling, and so on. Once you've done that, let's see what you say then.

    Everyone in the health care profession is there for their own reasons, but the common thread, in my opinion, is that everyone wants to help others with their health issues. It should be this thread that binds us together, and when you try to snip at it, you do an injustice to yourself and make yourself look shameful.
     
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    I think it's clear that there are some people who choose dentistry because either they can't get into med school or they don't want the extra strain of residency for personal reasons. However there are also those people who are passionate about dentistry. I don't see anything wrong with that. Both will make competent dentists.

    I overheard some people talking about this in medical microbiology lab a couple of days ago. A girl who is really smart (1450 on the SAT) said she was thinking about dentistry because she hasn't been with her husband very much in four years due to him being in the military. Basically she didn't want the strain of 7+ years of training. I don't see anything wrong with that. I think all the dental schools in the U.S. are good so pretty much everyone who wants to take the D.D.S. route will be a competent dentist. And all of us who want to enter the health professions want to help people. For someone who has personal reasons such as those, it's a win-win situation. There's more to life than prestige or having M.D. after your name. I'm going to medical school this fall but I'll be 20 years old when I matriculate, I am not married, and don't have children. Being an M.D. will be awesome, but the greatest reward for me will be having a connection with a lot of people and being able to help them.
     
  50. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Doctor Foxy:
    <strong>The professionals you have listed have worked very hard in school to get where they are today. To me, the word doctor means someone who can cure a health problem....this means it encompasses optometrists, dentists, MDs, etc.....

    Professionals do not become non-MDs just becasue they want the title of doctor and the associated respect. Maybe they didn't have high enough mcat scores to get into med school, yet they still were interested in working in a health-related field.

    I think you are biased and ignorant in your statements, nobadwords, but it's a public forum and you're free to state your opinions. Please remember that everyone will not always agree with you.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It is not fair to assume that all other health professionals weren't capable of getting good grades and high MCAT scores. Some have no interest in becoming an MD.

    Is it accurate to say that an MD is a vet school reject because it is harder to get into vet school? Think about it.
     
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    nobadwords and its supporters make a strong case for the proposition that a person can have high intellect and doo-doo for common sense. I would not want a DDS to take out my apendix nor would I want an MD to prep my molar for a crown. While I'm at it, I'd sure like to watch nobadwords, even after it gets its MD, attempt to direct the restoration of a major electrical transmission grid following a cascading black out to a large urban area. Nobadword's MD won't help it one bit in that scenario. However, there are some very smart folks with only a high school education who can pull that one off.
     
  52. hey

    yo simseema17 first off the reason i didnt reply to you was because I thought the answer to your question was pretty obvious. Nevertheless, it's really nice that your rents are both MDs and you want to become a DDS. Furthermore, it's great that there's only 50 dental school in the US. Nevertheless, how do you explain my incompetent friend getting into dental school wiht like a 16 i believe on his DATs???? (he got into marquette).

    And the issue at hand is that DDSers arent really docs in the traditional sense. If you go back oh let's say to the middle ages or even 50 years ago a doctor referred to a MD (no matter where you got it from). A DDS always was referred to as a dentist. why isnt that the case still? well obviously, they just like optometrist and podiatrists wanted the title of a doc. Like I said before, if being a dentist is wht's important to you or to whoever else why arent they just referred to as Dentist John Smith?

    I just find it fascinating and rahter funny how ppl that are supposedly doing dentistry for "helping people" are so hung up on being called DR. Furthermore, your case is pretty rare. And yes I admit there are ppl liek you that wanted to be DDSers from the start. however, I bet if you ask your first year dental classmates what they were frosh year of college almost all would answer MD. If this is the case dont you see that a DDS is a back up (second rate) MD ??? It seems pretty logical to me.

    'cheers
     

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