Dentist Salary Compilation

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Most people who work for Aspen say that the office percentage isn’t really attainable. So it’s just the 600 in my mind per day that I work for.
This is like 140-150k/yr. Cant believe there are dentists out there who accept anything less than 180k/yr starting salary. Madness!

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This is like 140-150k/yr. Cant believe there are dentists out there who accept anything less than 180k/yr starting salary. Madness!

It’s not. You’re a bit off. When you find a job that promises you $180k or more, let me know because they’re not out there.

And perhaps the better way to approach this is by suggesting where to look for jobs that pay that much bc you’re coming off a bit elitist
 
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It’s not. You’re a bit off. When you find a job that promises you $180k or more, let me know because they’re not out there.

And perhaps the better way to approach this is by suggesting where to look for jobs that pay that much bc you’re coming off a bit elitist
very few private practices are willing to hire and mentor new grads too. mostly corps are willing to let you get your reps in
 
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very few private practices are willing to hire and mentor new grads too. mostly corps are willing to let you get your reps in

Exactly. I don’t mind corporate at all. Everything isn’t for everybody. While I plan to own one day, it’s giving me my platform and I’d be shady to talk badly about it or the patients who choose corporate.
 
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It’s not. You’re a bit off. When you find a job that promises you $180k or more, let me know because they’re not out there.

And perhaps the better way to approach this is by suggesting where to look for jobs that pay that much bc you’re coming off a bit elitist
Sorry... I just did not know salary was that low...

I am an internist (PGY3) and I thought dentists salary would almost be on par with offers my colleagues and I are getting now (250-350k/yr).
 
Years of Experience: 4
Specialty or General: OMFS
City or Rural: Both
Company (Corp or Private or Ownership):partner and employee
Insurances: too many
Days/weeks per year: 4 to 6 days a week
Salary: $400k approximate for this year

Some backstory...I’m a partner at a group practice. Made partner 1.5 years into associate contract. Thought it was great at the time since I didn’t know any better. Most of my friends went DSO out of residency. Multiple conversations with buddies at DSOs and noticed my buyin was a complete rip off. Base salary is $350 as a partner but after buyin payments, I’m sitting at $275k before taxes...enter part time work at DSO at a city about 30 min away from the office. Been working there at 40% and so far it’s been mostly positive. I made about $90k working 2-3 days a month there so far with about 2.5 months off due to covid.

I’m likely leaving my partnership next year barring any legal issues with leaving the partnership. I’m sure not everyone gets ripped off but mine just isn’t a great deal and it’s a slow practice with unmotivated partners. And I’m sick of hearing how my buddies working for PDS making over $1million last couple years. Sad.
sorry to hear things aren't working well for you. Could you tell us a little bit more about why your buyin was a rip off? I'm not sure I'm understanding here.
 
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It’s not. You’re a bit off. When you find a job that promises you $180k or more, let me know because they’re not out there.

And perhaps the better way to approach this is by suggesting where to look for jobs that pay that much bc you’re coming off a bit elitist
They're out there. Just in less desirable locations (rural and/or midwest). In LA or NYC never but go to Iowa, Kansas, Montana, etc and those numbers are definitely available for new grads
 
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Most people who work for Aspen say that the office percentage isn’t really attainable. So it’s just the 600 in my mind per day that I work for.
You share profits with hyg (who gets production from SRP and Arestin) and denture techs. It's hard to calculate your share but it can range from $0 to $2k more a month. Aspen attracts a lot of Board Complaints though.
 
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Sorry... I just did not know salary was that low...

I am an internist (PGY3) and I thought dentists salary would almost be on par with offers my colleagues and I are getting now (250-350k/yr).
My internist brother works as a Hospitalist (mostly terminally ill patients) in Colorado. He works nights for about $250-300k/yr.
 
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Exactly. I don’t mind corporate at all. Everything isn’t for everybody. While I plan to own one day, it’s giving me my platform and I’d be shady to talk badly about it or the patients who choose corporate.
Aspen may pitch you to buy. I highly suggest not. Others may say you can make over a million but they don't tell you their overhead and marketing costs are about 80-90%.
 
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Years of Experience: 4
Specialty or General: OMFS
City or Rural: Both
Company (Corp or Private or Ownership):partner and employee
Insurances: too many
Days/weeks per year: 4 to 6 days a week
Salary: $400k approximate for this year

Some backstory...I’m a partner at a group practice. Made partner 1.5 years into associate contract. Thought it was great at the time since I didn’t know any better. Most of my friends went DSO out of residency. Multiple conversations with buddies at DSOs and noticed my buyin was a complete rip off. Base salary is $350 as a partner but after buyin payments, I’m sitting at $275k before taxes...enter part time work at DSO at a city about 30 min away from the office. Been working there at 40% and so far it’s been mostly positive. I made about $90k working 2-3 days a month there so far with about 2.5 months off due to covid.

I’m likely leaving my partnership next year barring any legal issues with leaving the partnership. I’m sure not everyone gets ripped off but mine just isn’t a great deal and it’s a slow practice with unmotivated partners. And I’m sick of hearing how my buddies working for PDS making over $1million last couple years. Sad.


Pardon my ignorance, but what are they doing to make over a million a year with PDS? Are they multi “practice owners” through the dso?
 
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Any advice to a new dentist about working corporate? Thank you for the heads up, though :)
Aspen will train you to get really good at dentures. Their top of the line dentures will include immeds (which never fit right) and final 6 mos after. I know a lot of dentists hate dentures but if you can do them efficiently, they can bring up your production in PP. You can PM for my quick, efficient and predictable denture steps. I would stay there until you get good at dentures and extractions and leave before you get too many Board complaints. I had one because the pt targeted me for the hyg's deep probings to get SRP & Arestin. Chartings are loose paper and not as efficient as electronic templates. I pre-emptively notified the Board of my poor charting and sent them my numerous risk mgt CE certificates. The Board slapped me with a "Letter of Concern."
 
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Pardon my ignorance, but what are they doing to make over a million a year with PDS? Are they multi “practice owners” through the dso?

NO worries. One of my friends dad is an OS. He can do 4 impacted wisdom teeth under IV sedation in 20 minutes. $2500 minus overhead he made $1225 before taxes in 20 minutes. A dental implant is usually around $2k specialist rate. Molar implant (extraction with immediate implant and graft may run $3k. that take roughly 30-45 mins depending on the practitioner. $1500 net after overhead. So $3k net in an hour.... DSO specialist rate is usually 40% net of production so 40% of $2500 and $3000 and they get booked like crazy.

But other specialties can do extremely well. I know a Periodontist, Pediatric Dentist, and Endodontist making great money some as associates and some as owners. But dental procedures are very profitable if done correctly and efficiently.
 
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To be honest, corporate route is seems preferable, especially for OMFS. They actually pay well, and pack your schedule. Best of all, no BS with sucking up to GPs.
I say this as an OMFS resident and seeing graduates make more at DSOs than with the traditional associateship contracts in OMFS private practices, which often are more predatory than DSO contracts, surprisingly enough. I think, moving forward, future is bright for specialties, especially OMFS, because even if a GP employed by a DSO wants to do the specialty procedures, the DSO will stop them and keep those for the specialist so they can bill the patient for more. I already see GPs referring less and less to traditional group OS practices in my area. This is prevented inside DSOs. Of course, if the DSO cannot manage to get a specialist to come in and do the specialized procedure (maybe its in an undesirable area), then typically they let the GP do it.
This overextending of scope by GPs especially happens when a new dental school grad buys out a GP office and is under immense pressure to produce due to the crazy loans grads are coming out with nowadays. Plus, this is better for the patient anyways, as the specialist is likely to have better outcomes for that specialized procedure.
So, the future is bright for most specialties, because the ratio of corporate dental practices to solo offices is only going to increase, and this favors specialists. DSOs are surprisingly fair in their compensation, at least from what I have seen with OMFS graduates I talk to.
It depends on corp. My corp office just hired an OMFS three months ago, and he already gave us notice he is quitting and cited "pay is $#!t" as his reason for leaving.
 
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To be honest, corporate route is seems preferable, especially for OMFS. They actually pay well, and pack your schedule. Best of all, no BS with sucking up to GPs.
I say this as an OMFS resident and seeing graduates make more at DSOs than with the traditional associateship contracts in OMFS private practices, which often are more predatory than DSO contracts, surprisingly enough. I think, moving forward, future is bright for specialties, especially OMFS, because even if a GP employed by a DSO wants to do the specialty procedures, the DSO will stop them and keep those for the specialist so they can bill the patient for more. I already see GPs referring less and less to traditional group OS practices in my area. This is prevented inside DSOs. Of course, if the DSO cannot manage to get a specialist to come in and do the specialized procedure (maybe its in an undesirable area), then typically they let the GP do it.
This overextending of scope by GPs especially happens when a new dental school grad buys out a GP office and is under immense pressure to produce due to the crazy loans grads are coming out with nowadays. Plus, this is better for the patient anyways, as the specialist is likely to have better outcomes for that specialized procedure.
So, the future is bright for most specialties, because the ratio of corporate dental practices to solo offices is only going to increase, and this favors specialists. DSOs are surprisingly fair in their compensation, at least from what I have seen with OMFS graduates I talk to.
It depends on corp. My corp does not pay OMFS's well; the one we had hired three months ago is already quitting, and I do not blame him.
 
Can anyone tell me what are the salaries for pediatric dentists.
So...I am specifically looking for pediatric dentist salaries, in the first couple of years after graduation, in these areas:
New York Metropolitan Area
Dallas, TX
Austin, TX
Philadelphia
Seattle
San Francisco
San Jose, CA
If you are a pediatric dentist working in these areas or if you know of anyone, could you please respond to this post. It would be a big help for me.
Thank you
 
Years of Experience: New grad with no AEGD/GPR
Specialty or General: General
City or Rural: Rural
Company (Corp or Private or Ownership): Large non-profit/community health with multiple offices
Insurances: All
Days/weeks per year: 4 days a week
Salary: 160k + 60k yr loan forgiveness

I split my time between two community health offices run by the same company. I only do extractions, pre-pros surgery, removable, and resto. Other docs in the office do crowns and anterior endo. I can do whatever procedure I need to or want to I usually just send that over to the other docs schedules and I end up doing the large majority of the emergencys and exts. Pts pay a flat fee like $50 or a sliding scale based on income.
I REALLY like that I don't have any pressure to sell treatment plans/fluoride treatments/implants. No one is looking over my shoulder. And if everyone cancels all day I still make the same $ if I do 12 full mouth exts. Down the road I might change to something with a more traditional pay scale so I'm paid for production and work more days but I have a newborn and enjoy doing other projects, so for right now its an amazing gig.
 
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Years of experience: 16
General dentist
Private practice that I own
Rural
Insurance: process many, but only participate in Delta premier and Healthy Kids (kids Medicaid)
Days: Mon-Thu only, 7:00am-4:30pm
Salary:~250k
(Because I own it, I pay all my healthy insurance and car payments and such through the business. So this amount includes all that)
 
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Years of Experience: 2
Specialty or General: General
City or Rural: Military
Days/weeks per year: 5 days/week. Each day around 6-7patients. 0700-1600. Lots of downtime. 30 days of leave per year. I don’t pay health insurance/CE
Salary: Not sure what my salary compares to in civilian world(part of our military pay is non taxable) but looking at my net income per month I’d say gross income is around 150k(I got a scholarship where my years of service counted in school so I’m being paid as someone with over 6 years of service now.
Went to a state school and scholarship money was enough to cover living and tuition(with a bit of help from parents 😊).

No loans

I am really thinking hard about continuing to USPHS and transfer over my years of service and just have a chill 0700-1600 job for another 12-14 years and get a pension.

however part of me wants to go back to school with the gi bill and specialize.

the cushy job and pay has turned me into not wanting to work in private practice/corporate...
 
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Years of Experience: 8+
Specialty or General: General
City or Rural: Surburban
Company (Corp or Private or Ownership): Private
Insurances: All PPO except UC/Fee schedules/medicaid/medicare/VA/HMO/discount plans
Days/weeks per year: 4.5 days @ 30 hours/week - probably taking off a total of 4 weeks a year
Salary: Take a guess, probably mentioned it in previous threads
 
All the responses about dental incomes so far have been very positive. Almost all the dentists (many graduated less than 10 years ago) who responded on this thread don't work more than 4 days/week. I guess they all must feel they make enough working 4 days/wk....I guess none of them has any problem paying back the student loans and other debts. That's awesome. Most physicians I know (my brother, uncle, cousins, brother-in-law etc) work 8+ hours a day and some of them work 5+ days/wk.
 
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All the responses about dental incomes so far have been very positive. Almost all the dentists (many graduated less than 10 years ago) who responded on this thread don't work more than 4 days/week. I guess they all must feel they make enough working 4 days/wk....I guess none of them has any problem paying back the student loans and other debts. That's awesome. Most physicians I know (my brother, uncle, cousins, brother-in-law etc) work 8+ hours a day and some of them work 5+ days/wk.

We, as dentists, are not doing that bad when looking at all "the sky is falling for dentistry threads" out there. All in all, dentists seem to be doing fine and some even have the added bonus of loan repayment. This has the potential of becoming another dentist v. physician thread, but I think we can say that both professions are doing well and each one has its own pros and cons.
 
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How many nights a month does he work? What are his benefits?
It seemed that his work schedule varies and changes. About 3 yrs ago, he worked 7 days straight and 7 days off. I think that schedule is brutal. He works at 2 Hospitals of different affiliations I believe. It seemed that the staff and doctors turn over frequently. I believe his financial situation is very sad. He is getting about $1200 a day (night) and additional $600 for weekends and Holidays. He graduated Osteopathic school in 2003 with less than $200k in loans. He was always living paycheck to paycheck before he developed 2 cancers 8-9 yrs ago and even now he still paying off credit card debt to pay for living expenses when he couldn't work. His wife seems to live very entitled. I don't know his benefits but I believe it may be market average.
 
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All the responses about dental incomes so far have been very positive. Almost all the dentists (many graduated less than 10 years ago) who responded on this thread don't work more than 4 days/week. I guess they all must feel they make enough working 4 days/wk....I guess none of them has any problem paying back the student loans and other debts. That's awesome. Most physicians I know (my brother, uncle, cousins, brother-in-law etc) work 8+ hours a day and some of them work 5+ days/wk.

My dad and brother are physicians. My dad is the reason I'm didn't pursue medicine. From my observations, physicians enter their fields knowing they are "on a mission" and can easily work 7 days a week at 10+ hrs/day. Like TanMan mentioned, this could become another dentist vs physician thread. There may be many reasons dentists choose to work 4 or less days. I chose to work less because I like my health, I like my family and I could care less about impressing others with money.
 
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It seemed that his work schedule varies and changes. About 3 yrs ago, he worked 7 days straight and 7 days off. I think that schedule is brutal. He works at 2 Hospitals of different affiliations I believe. It seemed that the staff and doctors turn over frequently. I believe his financial situation is very sad. He is getting about $1200 a day (night) and additional $600 for weekends and Holidays. He graduated Osteopathic school in 2003 with less than $200k in loans. He was always living paycheck to paycheck before he developed 2 cancers 8-9 yrs ago and even now he still paying off credit card debt to pay for living expenses when he couldn't work. His wife seems to live very entitled. I don't know his benefits but I believe it may be market average.
Looks there are alot of complications with that situation.
 
We, as dentists, are not doing that bad when looking at all "the sky is falling for dentistry threads" out there. All in all, dentists seem to be doing fine and some even have the added bonus of loan repayment. This has the potential of becoming another dentist v. physician thread, but I think we can say that both professions are doing well and each one has its own pros and n frs.

I will bet that the majority of predents, dents and residents/dentists on sdn are mostly top shelf. Most had/have high stats. High achievers. Successful dentists. It's common nature to "brag" a little when you are doing well. It's the rare person who can come on a public forum and talk about how bad they are doing financially. My point is that this poll is probably going to be skewed towards better than average salaries or experiences.

The "sky is falling for dentistry threads" is mostly about excessive DS tuition with the resultant debt service not in line with "average" annual GP salaries. Saturation in the urban sectors and DSO proliferation. I will add it doesn't help when new public schools such as the Georgia school of orthodontics is pumping out 36 new orthodontists per year. My residency class was 4. All of this cannot be disputed as opinion.
 
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Years of Experience: 8+
Specialty or General: General
City or Rural: Surburban
Company (Corp or Private or Ownership): Private
Insurances: All PPO except UC/Fee schedules/medicaid/medicare/VA/HMO/discount plans
Days/weeks per year: 4.5 days @ 30 hours/week - probably taking off a total of 4 weeks a year
Salary: Take a guess, probably mentioned it in previous threads
if you are doing so many units of fixed every day...I'm gonna guess at least 7-800k, if not seven figures.

since you are involved in multiple other businesses and investments, are you hoping to get to a point where your dental income and investment income might become similar? eventually eliminating the dental income I would think? thats kinda my plan, to use my dental income as a vehicle for other investments
 
My dad and brother are physicians. My dad is the reason I'm didn't pursue medicine. From my observations, physicians enter their fields knowing they are "on a mission" and can easily work 7 days a week at 10+ hrs/day. Like TanMan mentioned, this could become another dentist vs physician thread. There may be many reasons dentists choose to work 4 or less days. I chose to work less because I like my health, I like my family and I could care less about impressing others with money.
You take dental school loans or your dad pay them? Did he help pay to set up a practice too?
Those things are very hard for dentists who don't have that financial backing
 
I think it was the medical reimbursements actually

What I’m saying is that for a physician to point out that it was “cancer twice” that led to someone looking like they aged 25 years, as opposed to their given profession is shameful. I thing OP is well aware (more than you) of what cancer can do to the human body. This was not a teaching moment to the brother of a cancer survivor. Perhaps being a CFA would have been a better career for you.

My father is an Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeon. My mother is an Oncologist. Plenty of family and siblings in General Dentistry and Medicine. Dedicate four years to paying off your debt after dental school, live like a student, and the work/life balance of Dentistry is incomparable.

But more importantly, pursue these fields if you inanely want to serve. At the end of the day that is what we are here to do. The money will always come if that is your MO
Theres people who look older or younger in every field. Four years to pay off school debt? Wow that's fast. I don't live like a baller, don't have parents who can bail me out of loans, and still have 70 g left in loans.
Not sure why a hospitalist would worry about medical reimbursement. They get paid their salary regardless. And employed docs have lots of benefits that private practice people don't.
 
He had cancer twice right?
He had Nasopharyngeal Carcinoma from Epstein Barr Virus and Thyroid at the same time. Prior, he had let his weight go to morbidly obese while being a pharmacist and later internal medicine.
 
You take dental school loans or your dad pay them? Did he help pay to set up a practice too?
Those things are very hard for dentists who don't have that financial backing
USAF paid for my school. I never had a practice. I lived at home during school and while in the USAF (many retired USAF were instructors at my school).
 
So it was pharmacy 🤣
He had an identity crisis and severe depression. We grew up in a poor Red state where he was ashamed to be Chinese. He aged a lot as a pharmacist for only a year and went to Osteopathic school. He developed cancer a few years after residency (2009-12). My brother is an example for my kids how not to live (sorry, that was harsh).
 
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He had an identity crisis and severe depression. We grew up in a poor Red state where he was ashamed to be Chinese. He aged a lot as a pharmacist for only a year and went to Osteopathic school. He developed cancer a few years after residency (2009-12). My brother is an example for my kids how not to live (sorry, that was harsh).
Which you attribute all of it to osteo school?
 
Which you attribute all of it to osteo school?
No. He got the Epstein Barr sharing water at his HS soccer events. He wanted to be accepted so bad, he'll do anything. In college he went through all the Fraternity hazing, etc. He struggled in Pharmacy school. Bottom line is he is a Yes Man. He'll bend over backwards for people at the expense of his health. Osteo school was of course demanding so he neglected his health even more. He started aging as a pharmacist as he was working 14 hrs for 12 hr shift. He would cover other people's work. It became a pattern, then a habit. He wanted people to like him. He would tell strangers that he is a doctor and talk shop to them (WTF?) He is the nicest guy thus becoming easy target to be taken advantage of. That is where I come in...even now. My sister keeps saying that he chose his lifestyle. He is 46 and his neck looks like a raisin. Keith Richards looks better than him (sorry, harsh again). He makes twice my money and pays 1/3 of my property tax rate and yet he and his family lives paycheck to paycheck. I keep trying to get him to not work so hard but he is working 2 jobs at different hospitals and it's breaking my heart.
 
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Years of Experience: 2
Specialty or General: General
City or Rural: Military
Days/weeks per year: 5 days/week. Each day around 6-7patients. 0700-1600. Lots of downtime. 30 days of leave per year. I don’t pay health insurance/CE
Salary: Not sure what my salary compares to in civilian world(part of our military pay is non taxable) but looking at my net income per month I’d say gross income is around 150k(I got a scholarship where my years of service counted in school so I’m being paid as someone with over 6 years of service now.
Went to a state school and scholarship money was enough to cover living and tuition(with a bit of help from parents 😊).

No loans

I am really thinking hard about continuing to USPHS and transfer over my years of service and just have a chill 0700-1600 job for another 12-14 years and get a pension.

however part of me wants to go back to school with the gi bill and specialize.

the cushy job and pay has turned me into not wanting to work in private practice/corporate...

I'm not trying to knock your decisions but I can work 2.5-3 days a week and make more than 150, healthcare, CE, and malpractice. You should moonlight to see what PP is like - it's not all that bad. Also, I've heard some military and USPHS can be busy from DSO coworkers with prior exp. For what it's worth I'm debt free in less than 3 yrs working hard, and living frugally, for a DSO.
 
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if you are doing so many units of fixed every day...I'm gonna guess at least 7-800k, if not seven figures.

since you are involved in multiple other businesses and investments, are you hoping to get to a point where your dental income and investment income might become similar? eventually eliminating the dental income I would think? thats kinda my plan, to use my dental income as a vehicle for other investments

My compensation is in the 7 figures, if you factor in salary, executive compensation, and all the other stuff that goes into ownership. I'm actually just waiting for a buyout of one of my companies, lol. My investment income is not as much right now, as we're heavy into reinvesting to prop up the value even more. Hoping for at least a 100MM+ buyout at this point.
 
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My compensation is in the 7 figures, if you factor in salary, executive compensation, and all the other stuff that goes into ownership. I'm actually just waiting for a buyout of one of my companies, lol. My investment income is not as much right now, as we're heavy into reinvesting to prop up the value even more. Hoping for at least a 100MM+ buyout at this point.
You are seriously the man! very inspirational. just goes to show you what is possible for sure as a dentist.

low overhead + high efficiency + practice ownership = replicable success for the vast majority of dentists even if the take home is a bit less.

Are you looking for a buyout of your dental practice or of something else? Is it just a single practice? a 100MM+ buyout even for a group of dental practice seems kinda tough lol
 
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You are seriously the man! very inspirational. just goes to show you what is possible for sure as a dentist.

low overhead + high efficiency + practice ownership = replicable success for the vast majority of dentists even if the take home is a bit less.

Are you looking for a buyout of your dental practice or of something else? Is it just a single practice? a 100MM+ buyout even for a group of dental practice seems kinda tough lol

Not for a dental practice. Another business.
 
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I’m at 8+ years out.

I am rural. PPO/FFS mix.

I lived well beyond my means in dental school and then was invited by my school to take a victory lap for the second year of school. I came out of school with debt up to my eyeballs. This made things tough on me for a few years where I wasn’t making decent money. I’ve finally hit a point now where I can pay all of my taxes and all of my bills and living expenses and still have 10k+ leftover each month.

1st year: 220k, horrible place to work and I decided to leave
2nd year: 145k... associate to buy in opportunity
3rd year: 150k... same place
4th year: 220k... partner now
5th year: 195k... cut hours from 36 to 34 and income dropped.
6th year: 205k... cut hours more from 34 to 31 avg. Hired PPO negotiator and modified fee schedules.
7th year: 300k... A little busier and it took a while for those fee changes to show up in income. Same hours.
8th year: 360k... Just having less slow days the more established I get. There is potential for me to probably hit 500k in income by dropping some bad contracts and getting a little more efficient, but at the income I make now I should be able to save a ton for an early retirement and still live the lifestyle I want.
 
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