Rxoptimist
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Finished pharmacy residency but did not receive certificate for minor reason. What are my options and what would you advise?
Depends on the "minor reason." If it has to do with something reportable to ASHP, then you should. If it is a disciplinary or a competency matter, well, that's up to you on what to do. I can tell you though that the reasons have to be documented and you signed something to the effect that you wouldn't get the pass for an accredited residency.
(And yes, I have been in the position to see petty, stupid stuff cause a certificate denial for the wrong reasons, so it's not quite the same as the NAPLEX failing for me.)
I'd rather not go into details about reasoning. The intent of the question is the same without focusing on specifics. Let's trust that I have no reason to lie and it truly is minor! I didn't fail the NAPLEX or participate in criminal activity. Thoughts?
I completed a residency and received my certificate. We had a party at the pharmacy directors house where it was presented. So I understand how the process works. If you did not get a certificate, you did NOT finish your residency. You may have a spent a year there and been paid but you did NOT complete it. The certificate is like a diploma, it is written recognition you did complete your residency. And any reason that would prevent me from receiving my certificate is NOT minor.
I would be having this conversation with the residency program director. I am guessing this already occurred. It was unlikely it was a surprise when you did not receive your certificate. Unless you are willing to share more information no one will be able to help you. Residencies are jobs so if you were illegally discriminated against, go see a lawyer. Or work it out with your program director. Or move on and be prepared to explain what happened to future employers.
Yes, it was minor. Not all residency programs are alike. Discriminated against or not the circumstances are irrelevant. I am not arguing that I completed. I understand I will have to explain. I'm looking to see if anyone has been in a similar situation or witnessed a similar situation and what the recovery process was like. With that in mind, thanks for the responses.
I completed a residency and received my certificate. We had a party at the pharmacy directors house where it was presented. So I understand how the process works. If you did not get a certificate, you did NOT finish your residency. You may have a spent a year there and been paid but you did NOT complete it. The certificate is like a diploma, it is written recognition you did complete your residency. And any reason that would prevent me from receiving my certificate is NOT minor.
I would be having this conversation with the residency program director. I am guessing this already occurred. It was unlikely it was a surprise when you did not receive your certificate. Unless you are willing to share more information no one will be able to help you. Residencies are jobs so if you were illegally discriminated against, go see a lawyer. Or work it out with your program director. Or move on and be prepared to explain what happened to future employers.
Not necessarily. Some of the residencies are "clean your locker out, turn in your badge, get the f--- out of there to make room for the new weekend scrubs." I have seen passive-aggressive situations like this (the documentation rules were specifically implemented due to a particular residency in upstate New York routinely screwing residents out of their certificates). In the era though, no one ever checked. And honestly, no one keeps records as this is a certification process.
Are you referring to pharmacy residencies? If an organization treated me this way I would seek recourse, but I don't think its OP situation.
In the era though, no one ever checked. And honestly, no one keeps records as this is a certification process.
Does people check if you actually got a certificate or not? I mean, not to be sneaky but I don't see what would prevent the OP from claiming the residency on his (her?) resume and only give the details when questions come up. He did one whole year after all and got the relevant experience. I mean people still listed their work experience even if they got fired from that job
Does people check if you actually got a certificate or not? I mean, not to be sneaky but I don't see what would prevent the OP from claiming the residency on his (her?) resume and only give the details when questions come up. He did one whole year after all and got the relevant experience. I mean people still listed their work experience even if they got fired from that job
I agree, but unlike academia which is a more substantial bureaucracy, residencies are more personality based and I've had to deal with RPD's who screwed over residents on personal and nonprofessional reasons then try to claim that because residents have no civil service protection, protections such as hostile work environment, sexual harassment, physical harassment (I saw a now-former RPD physically slap her resident in front of the outpatient pharmacy in full view of the VA police, patients, and multiple cameras, VA police actually used the hostile patient takedown on her after not cooperating). I've seen people be complete power trippers as an RPD and take advantage of situations to everyone's detriment. So, I do think you're right that there is a reason, but if it's not documented down and counseled, then its different. But yes, "minor reason" is a very encompassing term.
Wow OP, that would really suck. Likes others have said, I would bed your preceptor for more time/another chance, to do whatever is necessary to get your pass. If that is not possible, then again like others have said, I would file a complaint with ASHP. After that, basically all you can do is list is as a work experience and be prepared to explain why the work experience ended without a residency completion.
Honestly, I would probably just list it as a residency and hope no one asks point blank if I really got a certificate at the end - surely no one actually ever asks that or looks into it at all?
I doubt any hiring manager anywhere is going to be impressed with any answer about why you didn't get a certificate and based on the fact you don't want to share the reason with us I suspect you know you don't have a good answer.
Does people check if you actually got a certificate or not? I mean, not to be sneaky but I don't see what would prevent the OP from claiming the residency on his (her?) resume and only give the details when questions come up. He did one whole year after all and got the relevant experience. I mean people still listed their work experience even if they got fired from that job
No matter how “minor” thing was, if that failed you to complete residency, it is major.
OP seems like being too optimistic about himself or trying to ignore the truth. That is my impression. No offence.
denial ain't just a river in egyptI mean, it has a MAJOR impact on my life. But no question it was a minor reason for me not getting my certificate. I learned the hard way that not everything is fair in life. I have no energy to be negative about situations outside of my control and no energy for lawsuits. There is plenty to be positive about it. I didn't go into residency to get a check mark or to get BCPS certified. I received experience, unfortunately the physical acknowledgement of my efforts didn't materialize. I'm not going to cry about it -- if this is how I am treated after killing and pushing myself for a year and making all sorts of sacrifices-- a certificate from this program feels almost meaningless.
Honestly, I would probably just list it as a residency and hope no one asks point blank if I really got a certificate at the end - surely no one actually ever asks that or looks into it at all?
I doubt any hiring manager anywhere is going to be impressed with any answer about why you didn't get a certificate and based on the fact you don't want to share the reason with us I suspect you know you don't have a good answer.
I bet it's something like that.I had a coresident who almost did not get his certificate because he was not going to turn in a final write up of his project. The rest of us were going out for lunch and doing nothing the last day while he was trying to finish it.