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P.S. I think Cheney is secretly trying to take over the world. Maybe you can do something about it, Cremaster, err, Mr. President.
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Lucky for you that spot has yet to be filled..................you would think more people would apply for that, but I think it snuck past most people. Therefore, you are so dubbed minister of whoop a**, and I welcome your blow-dart shooter to arsenal of our national defense....... 👍
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no fear he's about due for a heart attack, even without an ecg I can see atrial fib with WPW syndrome...............😉
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This is actually quite amusing.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/blog/10/05/klein.blog/
I thought I could hear Cheney's murmur for a second. Any day the robot inside of him will come out and eat Bush's face.
dmak
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/blog/10/05/klein.blog/
I thought I could hear Cheney's murmur for a second. Any day the robot inside of him will come out and eat Bush's face.
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3) That I wouldn't have any choice over where to fulfill my four year commitment.
That?s exactly right. You?ll never have complete control over where you go. They?ll negotiate with you, but when it?s time to pay back, it?s time to pay back. There?s no way around this. However, it doesn?t have to be so bad. You could end up in Italy or Spain for 4 years. You could also end up in Djibuti (hell hole Africa).
I'm the kind of person who values my freedom - but I can sacrifice a portion of it if I know the exact terms and commitments and am willing to accept them.
YPOSHELLEY,
I too thoroughly explored the scholarship option via the Navy or the Army, these branches seem to have the most options and better deals than the other two branches. However, since I've been deployed, and have been over here for 8 months now, away from my wife, family, and friends and denied my free will to pursue my top life goals (medical school and family starting) I've really reconsidered what it means to be "contracted" to the military. Yes, the scholarship has some great options and if I were single and did not intend on having kids within the next 7-9 years, then I might still go the scholarship route. Those things, and my life goals are important to me. I joined the reserve because it seemed to be compatible and even advantageous to get to where I wanted to go with life goals. However, I've learned that despite all the safety nets and specific planning that you make with your contract with the military, you ultimately will be owned and will have to go places regardless of what you would rather want, or what you've always wanted and dreamed and planned for for years. When you contract with the military, regardless of whether it's as a physician or otherwise, you must realize that you are signing on to a new career asided from and in addition to being a physician. You can bet that the two careers, physician and military officer will not always mesh to conform to your ideals, because each facet has it's specific duty requirements that complicate things. For me, I discovered that I will value a much higher degree of control over my career path of being a physician. I am unwilling to allow my also being a miliary officer dictate how and where and I practice. Presently as a non-physician I do not enjoy being isolated across the world away from my loved ones, not to mention being delayed already one year for starting medical school (I'm 30 now).
If you sign for a military scholarship, you must seriously consider if you are willing to let all of the nuances of being in the military dicatate your fate and career as a physician. Of course, you can continue to pursue your medical career with the military, but always your ultimately at the mercy of your military career and the duties that dictate that. You may think now that it is doable, but then consider that it is possible that down the road, say when your completing a residency and your married, starting a family, your wife and you are making plans to get relocated to a certain base in a certain city, she's pregnent and you guys have big plans and dreams. But, uh oh, our country finds itself in a new conflict and decides to ...go to South Korea, Iran, Syria, Canada, or where ever and you are orderd to go. Say so long to "your" plans and your desires to be with family and raise your children, or to pursue your goals or specific medical career plan, because if they need you, they will send you off for months or years at a time and you simply have to say, well I guess I did sign on for this 6-8 years back, damn it. 7-9 years out is to unpredictable and your plans and dreams may change by then, but if you signed a contract agreement with the military, it doesn't matter, they can alternate your life to suit thier needs and that is exactly what I have learned as a contracted reservist and I personally am no longer willing to do that again.
Again I'm not bitter really, just disapoited that my life plans are secondary to the fact that as a reservist in the Army with my "part time job" I am considerd property of the military with certain skills that are needed places in the world by our government. I found no problem with possibly being deployed 5 years ago, I wasn't married, didn't realize I would become strongly interested in medicine, so I signed up and got a lot of great incentives to do so, it was and is a good deal in that sense. However, you and your plans may change in the years to come, it is very important to consider that before you agree to a long term military contract such as the scholarship programs offered by the military branches. They do have some great benefits. It is not for me any longer, but for some it is, and I respect that, I'm still proud to be serving my country however. By the way, I am in Djibouti (aka, hell hole).
These are just my feelings, something to consider, but please understand that this is how I feel, you have to decide how you feel about the plan. I suggest that you contact a few branch medical recruiters and have them thoroughly explain everything. Though they will not bring up what I have. Good luck!
That?s exactly right. You?ll never have complete control over where you go. They?ll negotiate with you, but when it?s time to pay back, it?s time to pay back. There?s no way around this. However, it doesn?t have to be so bad. You could end up in Italy or Spain for 4 years. You could also end up in Djibuti (hell hole Africa).
I'm the kind of person who values my freedom - but I can sacrifice a portion of it if I know the exact terms and commitments and am willing to accept them.
YPOSHELLEY,
I too thoroughly explored the scholarship option via the Navy or the Army, these branches seem to have the most options and better deals than the other two branches. However, since I've been deployed, and have been over here for 8 months now, away from my wife, family, and friends and denied my free will to pursue my top life goals (medical school and family starting) I've really reconsidered what it means to be "contracted" to the military. Yes, the scholarship has some great options and if I were single and did not intend on having kids within the next 7-9 years, then I might still go the scholarship route. Those things, and my life goals are important to me. I joined the reserve because it seemed to be compatible and even advantageous to get to where I wanted to go with life goals. However, I've learned that despite all the safety nets and specific planning that you make with your contract with the military, you ultimately will be owned and will have to go places regardless of what you would rather want, or what you've always wanted and dreamed and planned for for years. When you contract with the military, regardless of whether it's as a physician or otherwise, you must realize that you are signing on to a new career asided from and in addition to being a physician. You can bet that the two careers, physician and military officer will not always mesh to conform to your ideals, because each facet has it's specific duty requirements that complicate things. For me, I discovered that I will value a much higher degree of control over my career path of being a physician. I am unwilling to allow my also being a miliary officer dictate how and where and I practice. Presently as a non-physician I do not enjoy being isolated across the world away from my loved ones, not to mention being delayed already one year for starting medical school (I'm 30 now).
If you sign for a military scholarship, you must seriously consider if you are willing to let all of the nuances of being in the military dicatate your fate and career as a physician. Of course, you can continue to pursue your medical career with the military, but always your ultimately at the mercy of your military career and the duties that dictate that. You may think now that it is doable, but then consider that it is possible that down the road, say when your completing a residency and your married, starting a family, your wife and you are making plans to get relocated to a certain base in a certain city, she's pregnent and you guys have big plans and dreams. But, uh oh, our country finds itself in a new conflict and decides to ...go to South Korea, Iran, Syria, Canada, or where ever and you are orderd to go. Say so long to "your" plans and your desires to be with family and raise your children, or to pursue your goals or specific medical career plan, because if they need you, they will send you off for months or years at a time and you simply have to say, well I guess I did sign on for this 6-8 years back, damn it. 7-9 years out is to unpredictable and your plans and dreams may change by then, but if you signed a contract agreement with the military, it doesn't matter, they can alternate your life to suit thier needs and that is exactly what I have learned as a contracted reservist and I personally am no longer willing to do that again.
Again I'm not bitter really, just disapoited that my life plans are secondary to the fact that as a reservist in the Army with my "part time job" I am considerd property of the military with certain skills that are needed places in the world by our government. I found no problem with possibly being deployed 5 years ago, I wasn't married, didn't realize I would become strongly interested in medicine, so I signed up and got a lot of great incentives to do so, it was and is a good deal in that sense. However, you and your plans may change in the years to come, it is very important to consider that before you agree to a long term military contract such as the scholarship programs offered by the military branches. They do have some great benefits. It is not for me any longer, but for some it is, and I respect that, I'm still proud to be serving my country however. By the way, I am in Djibouti (aka, hell hole).
These are just my feelings, something to consider, but please understand that this is how I feel, you have to decide how you feel about the plan. I suggest that you contact a few branch medical recruiters and have them thoroughly explain everything. Though they will not bring up what I have. Good luck!
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I guess I hit that Africa one right on.
We were sending Fleet Hospital Personnel to Djibouti (sp?) right before I left Jacksonville, FL.
Everyone who has come back weighs about 15-30 pounds less. I guess that searing heat can do it to you.
I went on a humanitarian/NATO internationla friendly thing to Tunis (North Africa) and it was so hot I almost died...115 degrees in the shade. The bottle water was hot when you drank it, like coffee.
It cooled some to lik 95 or so for the rest of the week, but building a tent hospital in 115 degree weather was hellish.
I'm glad bigdreamer posted all this, because, "It could happen to you."
However, like in my other post...being Enlisted or a line officer is quite different than being a medical officer. During Residency and Internship you won't be deployed....However, during your 4 years of payback, the sky is the limit!
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We were sending Fleet Hospital Personnel to Djibouti (sp?) right before I left Jacksonville, FL.
Everyone who has come back weighs about 15-30 pounds less. I guess that searing heat can do it to you.
I went on a humanitarian/NATO internationla friendly thing to Tunis (North Africa) and it was so hot I almost died...115 degrees in the shade. The bottle water was hot when you drank it, like coffee.
It cooled some to lik 95 or so for the rest of the week, but building a tent hospital in 115 degree weather was hellish.
I'm glad bigdreamer posted all this, because, "It could happen to you."
However, like in my other post...being Enlisted or a line officer is quite different than being a medical officer. During Residency and Internship you won't be deployed....However, during your 4 years of payback, the sky is the limit!
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Thanks Portier-for answering all of my questions. I really appreciate it.
One final question...you mean you are only allowed to take out an additional 3,200 in Stafford loans, or in loans period? Couldn't you take out one of those med-loans with no interest cap if needed?
And thanks, BigDreamer-I really appreciate your feedback, as well. Very valid points, exactly what I needed to hear. Did you get pulled from your residecy,or were you deployed after completion of your residency? Do you mind telling me what your specialty is? And also, I'm really curious to hear about what a day in your life is like at Djibouti, and what the place is like...if you have any free time-I realize you probably already spent an hour writing that reply. Actually, maybe you should PM me-I don't want to detract from the imminently important talk of world-domination by supergeniuses around here. Cremaster-I'll take you up on your offer anyday.
One final question...you mean you are only allowed to take out an additional 3,200 in Stafford loans, or in loans period? Couldn't you take out one of those med-loans with no interest cap if needed?
And thanks, BigDreamer-I really appreciate your feedback, as well. Very valid points, exactly what I needed to hear. Did you get pulled from your residecy,or were you deployed after completion of your residency? Do you mind telling me what your specialty is? And also, I'm really curious to hear about what a day in your life is like at Djibouti, and what the place is like...if you have any free time-I realize you probably already spent an hour writing that reply. Actually, maybe you should PM me-I don't want to detract from the imminently important talk of world-domination by supergeniuses around here. Cremaster-I'll take you up on your offer anyday.
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bigdreamer was accepted to medical school, but not in it when he got pulled. Unless he accepts a military scholarship, he could be pulled again and again during medical school until his contract expires. That's how reserves works...unless your AFHPSP. Let's not talk about involuntary extension of contracts, which is essentially a draft of active/reserve troops.
You DON'T get pulled from residency or internship (on active) to go to war.
The way money works around here is based on a budget. The military pays our tuition and books, so we don't see that money, but it goes directly to the school. After that, they look at our stipend (which is TAXED, so I consider it wages) as part of our financial aid. Afther all the math is done, even with the MedCap loans, 3200 is all that is allowed per year beyond what you already get.
We're working on getting the budget changed for military scholarship recepients since we don't actually owe money to anyone after school, only time. It would follow that we could maybe borrow more money since we don't have student loans hanging over our head (except maybe from undergrad). However, the FA department is very stodgy...hard to change their ways...
With good reason: They have zero discrepancies on FA audits by the Federal Government. Most schools have at least 2 or 3 problems. They're anal retentive, but very effectivce in running their office.
You DON'T get pulled from residency or internship (on active) to go to war.
The way money works around here is based on a budget. The military pays our tuition and books, so we don't see that money, but it goes directly to the school. After that, they look at our stipend (which is TAXED, so I consider it wages) as part of our financial aid. Afther all the math is done, even with the MedCap loans, 3200 is all that is allowed per year beyond what you already get.
We're working on getting the budget changed for military scholarship recepients since we don't actually owe money to anyone after school, only time. It would follow that we could maybe borrow more money since we don't have student loans hanging over our head (except maybe from undergrad). However, the FA department is very stodgy...hard to change their ways...
With good reason: They have zero discrepancies on FA audits by the Federal Government. Most schools have at least 2 or 3 problems. They're anal retentive, but very effectivce in running their office.
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I really appreciate all the mil schol commentary. I'm prior service Marine Corps and wondering how I'm going to pay for everything. And I'm seriously tempted by the scholarship....but I like being able to do what I want to do......
Agh.
Agh.
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EvoDevo said:
That would explain the cigarette. I was in Lejeune for 3 years (96-99), and I ain't looking to go back. There were recruiters here from all the residnecy programs, and this prior service 0-6 was trying to tell me, "You can go back to Lejeune if you want."
I was like, "I have no interest in returning to that small piece of crap town full of nudey bars, tatoo parlors, and pawn shops."
He replied, "Yeah, but you could go back."
I walked away.
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Alright guys, time for me to weigh in on the military scholarship thing. After much research I decided to go in for the ninja scholarship. I really am happy with this decision, since I will be based in okinawa but get plenty of world travel. I only get sued for malpractice if my targets...er, patients are not eliminated with extreme prejudice. The only downside is that I had to take extra courses. In first semester I took "anatomy of deadly strikes/crippling and disabling strikes" with Sensei Matz, and second semester I had to take "physiology of poisons" with sensei Crisp and Barton. Sensei Wattleworth taught me how to asses my targets weak points, and oddly enough, Sensei Canby taught how to "waste every motherfu@ker in the room". Thanks to sensei Bosler, I am now the only 07 who can kill by putting someone in complete reverse of CCP. Their lymphatics get so blocked they explode within 24 hours. People though we had an unusually high fail rate last year...SUCKERS!!!! All those people were part of my training.Portier said:
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Portier said:
Don't forget all of portier's crazy flashbacks in the middle of class.............
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"Yeah, but you could go back."Portier said:
😱
And that is the kinda crap I'm worried about. That, and being forced into a residency that I don't want. Blah.
Still, with 7-9 years of service, that would put me at 12-14 total time in.......
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Heh. I was an intel weenie, and I'd just *hate* to return to either of my last two postings: Hawaii or Key West. 😀
Whatever. I'm kidding myself if I think Uncle Sugar would smile upon me like that again.
Whatever. I'm kidding myself if I think Uncle Sugar would smile upon me like that again.
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What residency do you want?EvoDevo said:
Personally, I only want FP....maybe I'll buck for respecializing into something else after I retire...
Which will be a short hike for me, too...I'll be at 18 1/2 years after internship+Residency+Payback...
I'm thinking I could get into executive medicine. Be a CO at a big hospital, and see patients 2-3 days a week. I've always wanted to be a CO.
After payback I'll be at my own leave, too. Make my 20, then negotiate with the Navy for jobs/duty stations I want. That way I'm a free agent.
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EvoDevo said:
20 years service and then you get retirement benefits, right?
Were you stationed at Pohakuloa on the Big Island? Cause I lived there for 6 years-and used to drive the saddle road all the time. Some days the whole island shook from all the artillery practice.
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Portier said:
Alright way toooo much military talk going on in this thread..................you guys are gonna have to put the cabosh on it..................you're starting to scare me with all you o 800's and don't ask don't tell policy.
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Why? Have something to hide??cremaster2007 said:
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I was stationed at Pearl Harbor on the USS Blue Ridge for a summer. It was heaven. 😍yposhelley said:20 years service and then you get retirement benefits, right?
Were you stationed at Pohakuloa on the Big Island? Cause I lived there for 6 years-and used to drive the saddle road all the time. Some days the whole island shook from all the artillery practice.
Hawaii has to be one of the most beyoootiful places EVER.
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Yep. And damn proud of it. 😀Portier said:
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cremaster2007 said:
I sense the conflict inside you....I still feel the good in you. That's why you couldn't destroy me before, and that's why you won't turn me over to your emperor now.
http://www.blueharvest.net/images/closeups/emperor.jpg
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Portier said:
I think George Lucas is a crazy who is in love with muppets. The more movies he makes, the more I believe that Star Wars was just a lucky crap shoot for him.
Wait, do you think he heard me? He pretty much owns everything and probably has my phone tapped.
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babyruth said:
He was good when he was young, and idealistic, and poor.
Now he's rich, full of himself, and thinks he can tell everyone what to like (my re-done versions versus original).
However, I want to see THX####
However, However, I am excited to see episode III.....DARTH VADER....
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EvoDevo said:
Not really just tired of hearing portier talk like he is rambo 🙂
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Portier said:
I concur first 3 star wars great movies...........the last two marginal at best, but how can you make the next one bad.................it basically tells you why everything is the way it is................it's like the time I found out portier's mom and dejan's mom were the same women.....it inevitably explained a lot whether I wanted to know it or not.
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tomorrow my friend who was in playboy will be here in des moines. i will be in heaven, admiring her as if she were human afterall.
girls of the big 10 last year
girls of the big 10 last year
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Wow, lots of post since yesterday for me...I'm eight hours ahead of you guys, so I'm sleeping when you guys are typing like nuts.
Portier, yes your correct about the safe-gaurding of scholarship folks during medical education, I was just describing how perhaps during end of residency, a person may have plans that are then altered upon being full fledged active duty medical officer. Enough about that, I pm'd yposhelley.
Now, Starwars, that's my bread and butter man, I love them all, even the new ones. I feel that opinions about Lucas are Irrelevant, he is not making the movies necessarily to please people, but rather as his own expression of the stories he made up. I say you either enjoy the movies and the basic cool ass epic fantasy idea and what Lucas decided to put up there on the screen, or you don't enjoy it. If you want to change it, make your own movies I suppose. I'm totally excited for the next one!
Also, stop with the teasing about playmates back there, all I get to look at are 1 or 2 female marines, local women in colorful full body burkas, or tribal women in various clothing assortments.
Djibouti out!
Portier, yes your correct about the safe-gaurding of scholarship folks during medical education, I was just describing how perhaps during end of residency, a person may have plans that are then altered upon being full fledged active duty medical officer. Enough about that, I pm'd yposhelley.
Now, Starwars, that's my bread and butter man, I love them all, even the new ones. I feel that opinions about Lucas are Irrelevant, he is not making the movies necessarily to please people, but rather as his own expression of the stories he made up. I say you either enjoy the movies and the basic cool ass epic fantasy idea and what Lucas decided to put up there on the screen, or you don't enjoy it. If you want to change it, make your own movies I suppose. I'm totally excited for the next one!
Also, stop with the teasing about playmates back there, all I get to look at are 1 or 2 female marines, local women in colorful full body burkas, or tribal women in various clothing assortments.
Djibouti out!
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bigdreamer#1 said:
WM's....or BAM's (That's Woman Marines, or Broad Ass Marines, respectively).
I dated a WM/BAM for a month or two, but I got tired of being physically abused when we made out, so we broke up. My kindeys have never been the same..forget the donkey punch to the medula oblongota.
The best girl I dated when I was with the Marines was a Master Gunnery Seargent's daughter. I actually depolyed with him when he was just a Master Seargent. All I can say is that daddy's little girl had spent way too much time in Miami at college...not studying.
I remember the days of sand, humps, and staring at unattractive women in camouflage....Ah....memories.
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Paul1441 said:
I am glad I'm not........what's a 1/4 of a million in loans, somebody will hiring me eventually and pay back half. Astro can I meet her or are you hiding her for yourself???
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Portier said:
I decided to come to class what a waste of time.................man this **** sucks.
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Paul1441 said:
me too, me too!!!!!!!!!
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Paul1441 said:
Oh, yeah...thats true.
The way I see it is that those on scholarships don't stress as much thru med school, but they stress more when they are trying to match into a highly specialized field and when they are waiting to find out where they will serve their active four years.
But I remember when my Mom was looking for a place to work after her residency, and it was stressful for her, too. Uncertainty is always stressful.
It comes down to whether you are proud to serve your country and don't mind being around military people, and if you are flexible.
Awright...Sorry for bringing the whole military thing up in this thread.
I just interviewed at KCOM (got an acceptance today) and they said they had the highest percentage of their students on military scholarships than any other medical school (MD or DO) in the nation. They also pushed military scholarships as an excellent deal during the financial aid presentation...I suppose as a way to ease our fears about the high cost of tuition...3 grand higher than DMU but they don't throw in a free computer 😀
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hey guys, don't know if weve made it apparent, but the military talk is annoying, portier, you should know better then to encourage it, because we';; kick your bald navy ass later (Me and tracy that is, buyakasha!). Start another thread if you want to keep talking about it. not trying to be a jerk, just letting you know
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Vader, Eat poop.
I'll curse if I want to: Damn, Damn, Hell, Damn, Tee Tee, Doo Doo.
(from Rustler's Rhapsody)
We need to have movie night at my place and watch Rustler's Rhapsody...it's a great comedy. Maybe I Could just bring Chili and the video over to Dartos' place.
I just got Bubba Ho Tep in from Net Flix...I'm watching that **** this weekend.
And Guess what?!? First years aren't happy with Anatomy..... Go figure!
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I'll curse if I want to: Damn, Damn, Hell, Damn, Tee Tee, Doo Doo.
(from Rustler's Rhapsody)
We need to have movie night at my place and watch Rustler's Rhapsody...it's a great comedy. Maybe I Could just bring Chili and the video over to Dartos' place.
I just got Bubba Ho Tep in from Net Flix...I'm watching that **** this weekend.
And Guess what?!? First years aren't happy with Anatomy..... Go figure!
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Kansas city and DMU are both great schools. have friends at both and everyone thinks their school is the best. personally, i don't know how someone can brag about their school being great when everyone around you complains about how much it sucks. no matter where you go there will be stress and a shiiit-ton of work.
cremaster you are free to meet this beautiful woman. i will say that she has been known to spin a dredo if you know what i mean.
cremaster you are free to meet this beautiful woman. i will say that she has been known to spin a dredo if you know what i mean.
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Portier said:
WHAT??? I welcome Anatomy, that class is a Godsend compared to Behavioral Medicine. I'm just glad that I don't have to retake. I feel a little inadequate saying the with all you self proclaimed super-dorks...er... I mean geniuses.
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Astroglide User said:
If by dreadle you mean my weiner in bed then i thinkwe are on the same page 👍 😍
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Paul1441 said:
You mean if portier sees a man who's been in playgirl
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