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Wow. Thought they were evil huh...thats an interesting way to generalize the history of Mormonism.

Receiving rights in the priesthood is very different than being evil.

That may have been a joke, but I actually take offense to it on a personal and academic level. If you are interested in an accurate description feel free to PM me as this is not a philosophy forum.

or continue to troll anything you dont understand. I After reading many of your comments, you exude far more intolerance than intelligence. I can only imagine this is a character flaw that can only hurt your abilities as a physician.

At one point in history the book of Mormon condoned slavery of Africans. Just because you only acknowledge the latest revision doesn't mean that history has forgotten

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At one point in history the book of Mormon condoned slavery of Africans. Just because you only acknowledge the latest revision doesn't mean that history has forgotten

Also, not true.

But, this is a ridiculous statement. We Americans used to condone slavery, but we are not a racist country, nor have I ever been racist.

History has context...your accusations have neither context nor factual references. So of course the present is much more relevant than the past. But that has nothing to do with with these strange accusations.

Again, you too can pm me if you'd like. This is hardly a relevant conversation and is quite ignorant in content and irresponsible in factual support.
 
No they don't...there are plenty of fun quoted like these that suddenly surface when theres a Mormon presidential candidate.

Interesting.

Stick with your last sentence... And pm me with any questions. But please don't misrepresent my religion, especially in a science forum of all places!

I think it's pretty clearly stated in the Book of Mormon and is?/was? a widespread belief. Regardless, what you believe is your prerogative and none of my business. Furthermore it has nothing to do with Mr?. Romney ( What's the proper honorific for lizard people? ), the majority of American's have had negative opinions of the Mormon church and Mormonism since it's invention.

Also, not true.

But, this is a ridiculous statement. We Americans used to condone slavery, but we are not a racist country, nor have I ever been racist.

History has context...your accusations have neither context nor factual references. So of course the present is much more relevant than the past. But that has nothing to do with with these strange accusations.

Again, you too can pm me if you'd like. This is hardly a relevant conversation and is quite ignorant in content and irresponsible in factual support.

Well.. I'm pretty sure a good amount of American History professors will contest your claim. But regardless of the reality of the fact, live after the choices of your elders and make your own decisions free of their prejudices.
 
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Also, not true.

But, this is a ridiculous statement. We Americans used to condone slavery, but we are not a racist country, nor have I ever been racist.

History has context...your accusations have neither context nor factual references. So of course the present is much more relevant than the past. But that has nothing to do with with these strange accusations.

Again, you too can pm me if you'd like. This is hardly a relevant conversation and is quite ignorant in content and irresponsible in factual support.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_race1.htm
 
I think it's pretty clearly stated in the Book of Mormon and is?/was? a widespread belief. Regardless, what you believe is your prerogative and none of my business. Furthermore it has nothing to do with Mr?. Romney ( What's the proper honorific for lizard people? ), the majority of American's have had negative opinions of the Mormon church and Mormonism since it's invention.



Well.. I'm pretty sure a good amount of American History professors will contest your claim. But regardless of the reality of the fact, live after the choices of your elders and make your own decisions free of their prejudices.

Similar bases as chiropractic :thumbup:

Some dude up and said it one day. Ironically he then up and said it slightly differently when it was politically correct to do so :confused:
 
Didn't mean any particular offense to Mormons, there are plenty of examples of similar backtracking from untenable positions for other religions, but few as recent.

I actually don't have a particularly negative view of Mormonism. It's not that much more ridiculous than any other religion, and the people are nicer than most.
 
I think it's pretty clearly stated in the Book of Mormon and is?/was? a widespread belief. the majority of American's have had negative opinions of the Mormon church and Mormonism since it's invention.
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Do you see how you dont even know if the bolded statement is/was true? You inserted "?"'s yourself.

Again, its never been condoned by the book of mormon. THE BOOK OF MORMON IS A HISTORY OF PEOPLE WHO LIVED BEFORE THE USA WAS FOUNDED so it obviously never spoke to african slavery. The very fact you think that shows that you dont have a clue what the Book of Mormon is, which is OK. You dont need to know the Book of Mormon to be a good doctor, but you do need to have the scientific skepticism not to take rumors as fact.

Lastly, no, the majority of Americans do not have a negative opinion of the Mormon church. It has been recognized many times over for it humanitarianism. Its ok not to agree with the church, but dont misrepresent it.


You realize this is an anti-mormon website, pretty well known. That would be like quoting a chiropractic textbook to prove that medication is poor medical practice.


Similar bases as chiropractic :thumbup:

Some dude up and said it one day. Ironically he then up and said it slightly differently when it was politically correct to do so :confused:

Religion is a philosophical discussion...you dont have to agree with it, but why are bashing it? Its very obvious that you know very little about it, which is fine. Whats not intelligent is continuing a conversation about something you know little about in an inappropriate forum.

Anyone can feel free to PM me, but I guess I will continue to defend truth here as long as you all feel the need to continue.

This is a very confusing thread from people who seem to hold themselves as defenders of the scientific method. Intolerance is not a key characteristic if future physicians...you would do well to remember that your future patients will be of all different faiths and creeds. You must learn tolerance and proper research.
 
Do you see how you dont even know if the bolded statement is/was true? You inserted "?"'s yourself.

Again, its never been condoned by the book of mormon. THE BOOK OF MORMON IS A HISTORY OF PEOPLE WHO LIVED BEFORE THE USA WAS FOUNDED so it obviously never spoke to african slavery. The very fact you think that shows that you dont have a clue what the Book of Mormon is, which is OK. You dont need to know the Book of Mormon to be a good doctor, but you do need to have the scientific skepticism not to take rumors as fact.

Lastly, no, the majority of Americans do not have a negative opinion of the Mormon church. It has been recognized many times over for it humanitarianism. Its ok not to agree with the church, but dont misrepresent it.



You realize this is an anti-mormon website, pretty well known. That would be like quoting a chiropractic textbook to prove that medication is poor medical practice.




Religion is a philosophical discussion...you dont have to agree with it, but why are bashing it? Its very obvious that you know very little about it, which is fine. Whats not intelligent is continuing a conversation about something you know little about in an inappropriate forum.

Anyone can feel free to PM me, but I guess I will continue to defend truth here as long as you all feel the need to continue.

This is a very confusing thread from people who seem to hold themselves as defenders of the scientific method. Intolerance is not a key characteristic if future physicians...you would do well to remember that your future patients will be of all different faiths and creeds. You must learn tolerance and proper research.

You pretty clearly misunderstood what was being argued, added your own context and ran with it....
 
Didn't mean any particular offense to Mormons, there are plenty of examples of similar backtracking from untenable positions for other religions, but few as recent.

I actually don't have a particularly negative view of Mormonism. It's not that much more ridiculous than any other religion, and the people are nicer than most.

thank you, I did have the feeling that you were just making a joke. It did seem very out of place here and as you see, you have some fairly immature followers who take your lead and exacerbate it.

This is not a place for religious debate (in fact, I thought you complained of this in an earlier post that Ive read) and so I am disappointed to have these issues come up in a place full of educated individuals.

There are many complexities of religion and context can mean a lot when trying to understand them. Its easy to pick apart someones faith, especially when faith is fundamentally different than scientific observation. But it has a real place for many people in all walks of life including medicine.

I expect more out of this crowd than from Yahoo answers, but right now, we about on the same level.

If anyone has any questions about Mormonism, feel free to PM me. I feel like the LDS faith was severely misrepresented here today and I hope those involved will behave more appropriately in the future. This is a medical forum, and we are medical professionals and future colleagues. Nothing is gained by bashing each other.
 
Haha, considering old school DOs didn't believe in medications, I'm not surprised.

Does anyone know the date when DOs caved in and started prescribing medications?

In return, I'll share the factoid that Mormons decided that black people weren't evil in 1978.
All DO schools have been teaching pharmacology since 1929.
 
You pretty clearly misunderstood what was being argued, added your own context and ran with it....

No I didn't. You stated the Book of Mormon either at one time or now condoned African Slavery in the US.

I pointed out that the Book of Mormon is the history(or story if you dont believe its true, thats irrelevant) of ancient people, [I]before[/I] the USA was even conceived and slavery was an issue. So, you were caught in a mistake.

Again, Im ok with you not believing in Mormonism, but this is hardly the place to voice your concerns and it is upsetting to see such an obvious misrepresentation of fact from people who should know better than to blindly accept facts from an private website.

Again, PM me if you have further questions. Lets move on.
 
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Specter...you should know when to fold em. This isn't a religious forum...I was bashed pretty bad for knowing more about the placebo effect than you do about religion.

Throw in the towel.
 
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The mods must not patrol pre-osteo much. Im really suprised this hasnt been locked....at this rate the thread is immortal. It will live forever.
 
I guess this is now the randoms facts thread.

let me contribute
 
If you have 3 quarters, 4 dimes, and 4 pennies, you have $1.19. You also have the largest amount of money in coins without being able to make change for a dollar.
The numbers '172' can be found on the back of the U.S. $5 dollar bill in the bushes at the base of the Lincoln Memorial.

President Kennedy was the fastest random speaker in the world with upwards of 350 words per minute.

In the average lifetime, a person will walk the equivalent of 5 times around the equator.

Odontophobia is the fear of teeth.

The 57 on Heinz ketchup bottles represents the number of varieties of pickles the company once had.

In the early days of the telephone, operators would pick up a call and use the phrase, "Well, are you there?". It wasn't until 1895 that someone suggested answering the phone with the phrase "number please?"

The surface area of an average-sized brick is 79 cm squared.

According to suicide statistics, Monday is the favored day for self-destruction.

Cats sleep 16 to 18 hours per day.

The most common name in the world is Mohammed.

It is believed that Shakespeare was 46 around the time that the King James Version of the Bible was written. In Psalms 46, the 46th word from the first word is shake and the 46th word from the last word is spear.

Karoke means "empty orchestra" in Japanese.

The Eisenhower interstate system requires that one mile in every five must be straight. These straight sections are usable as airstrips in times of war or other emergencies.

The first known contraceptive was crocodile dung, used by Egyptians in 2000 B.C.

Rhode Island is the smallest state with the longest name. The official name, used on all state documents, is "Rhode Island and Providence Plantations."

When you die your hair still grows for a couple of months.

There are two credit cards for every person in the United States.

Isaac Asimov is the only author to have a book in every Dewey-decimal category.

The newspaper serving Frostbite Falls, Minnesota, the home of Rocky and Bullwinkle, is the Picayune Intellegence.

It would take 11 Empire State Buildings, stacked one on top of the other, to measure the Gulf of Mexico at its deepest point.

The first person selected as the Time Magazine Man of the Year - Charles Lindbergh in 1927.

The most money ever paid for a cow in an auction was $1.3 million.

It took Leo Tolstoy six years to write "War & Peace".

The Neanderthal's brain was bigger than yours is.

On the new hundred dollar bill the time on the clock tower of Independence Hall is 4:10.

Each of the suits on a deck of cards represents the four major pillars of the economy in the middle ages: heart represented the Church, spades represented the military, clubs represented agriculture, and diamonds represented the merchant class.

The names of the two stone lions in front of the New York Public Library are Patience and Fortitude. They were named by then-mayor Fiorello LaGuardia.

The Main Library at Indiana University sinks over an inch every year because when it was built, engineers failed to take into account the weight of all the books that would occupy the building.

The sound of E.T. walking was made by someone squishing her hands in jelly.

Lucy and Linus (who where brother and sister) had another little brother named Rerun. (He sometimes played left-field on Charlie Brown's baseball team, [when he could find it!]).

The pancreas produces Insulin.

1 in 5,000 north Atlantic lobsters are born bright blue.

There are 10 human body parts that are only 3 letters long (eye hip arm leg ear toe jaw rib lip gum).

A skunk's smell can be detected by a human a mile away.

The word "lethologica" describes the state of not being able to remember the word you want.

The king of hearts is the only king without a moustache.

Henry Ford produced the model T only in black because the black paint available at the time was the fastest to dry.

Mario, of Super Mario Bros. fame, appeared in the 1981 arcade game, Donkey Kong. His original name was Jumpman, but was changed to Mario to honor the Nintendo of America's landlord, Mario Segali.

The three best-known western names in China: Jesus Christ, Richard Nixon, and Elvis Presley.

Every year about 98% of the atoms in your body are replaced.

Elephants are the only mammals that can't jump.

The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 672.

World Tourist day is observed on September 27.

Women are 37% more likely to go to a psychiatrist than men are.

The human heart creates enough pressure to squirt blood 30 feet (9 m).

Diet Coke was only invented in 1982.

There are more than 1,700 references to gems and precious stones in the King James translation of the Bible.

When snakes are born with two heads, they fight each other for food.

American car horns beep in the tone of F.

Turning a clock's hands counterclockwise while setting it is not necessarily harmful. It is only damaging when the timepiece contains a chiming mechanism.

There are twice as many kangaroos in Australia as there are people. The kangaroo population is estimated at about 40 million.

Police dogs are trained to react to commands in a foreign language; commonly German but more recently Hungarian.

The Australian $5 to $100 notes are made of plastic.

St. Stephen is the patron saint of bricklayers.

The average person makes about 1,140 telephone calls each year.

Stressed is Desserts spelled backwards.

If you had enough water to fill one million goldfish bowls, you could fill an entire stadium.

Mary Stuart became Queen of Scotland when she was only six days old.

Charlie Brown's father was a barber.

Flying from London to New York by Concord, due to the time zones crossed, you can arrive 2 hours before you leave.

Dentists have recommended that a toothbrush be kept at least 6 feet (2 m) away from a toilet to avoid airborne particles resulting from the flush.

You burn more calories sleeping than you do watching TV.

A lion's roar can be heard from five miles away.

The citrus soda 7-UP was created in 1929; "7" was selected because the original containers were 7 ounces. "UP" indicated the direction of the bubbles.

Canadian researchers have found that Einstein's brain was 15% wider than normal.

The average person spends about 2 years on the phone in a lifetime.

The fist product to have a bar code was Wrigleys gum.

The largest number of children born to one woman is recorded at 69. From 1725-1765, a Russian peasant woman gave birth to 16 sets of twins, 7 sets of triplets, and 4 sets of quadruplets.

Beatrix Potter created the first of her legendary "Peter Rabbit" children's stories in 1902.

In ancient Rome, it was considered a sign of leadership to be born with a crooked nose.

The word "nerd" was first coined by Dr. Seuss in "If I Ran the Zoo."

A 41-gun salute is the traditional salute to a royal birth in Great Britain.

The bagpipe was originally made from the whole skin of a dead sheep.

The roar that we hear when we place a seashell next to our ear is not the ocean, but rather the sound of blood surging through the veins in the ear. Any cup-shaped object placed over the ear produces the same effect.

Revolvers cannot be silenced because of all the noisy gasses which escape the cylinder gap at the rear of the barrel.

Liberace Museum has a mirror-plated Rolls Royce; jewel-encrusted capes, and the largest rhinestone in the world, weighing 59 pounds and almost a foot in diameter.

A car that shifts manually gets 2 miles more per gallon of gas than a car with automatic shift.

Cats can hear ultrasound.

Dueling is legal in Paraguay as long as both parties are registered blood donors.

The highest point in Pennsylvania is lower than the lowest point in Colorado.

The United States has never lost a war in which mules were used.

Children grow faster in the springtime.

On average, there are 178 sesame seeds on each McDonalds BigMac bun.

Paul Revere rode on a horse that belonged to Deacon Larkin.

The Baby Ruth candy bar was actually named after Grover Cleveland's baby daughter, Ruth.

Minus 40 degrees Celsius is exactly the same as minus 40 degrees Fahrenheit.

Clans of long ago that wanted to get rid of unwanted people without killing them used to burn their houses down -- hence the expression "to get fired"

Nobody knows who built the Taj Mahal. The names of the architects, masons, and designers that have come down to us have all proved to be latter-day inventions, and there is no evidence to indicate who the real creators were.

Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell.

7.5 million toothpicks can be created from a cord of wood.

The plastic things on the end of shoelaces are called aglets.

A 41-gun salute is the traditional salute to a royal birth in Great Britain.

The earliest recorded case of a man giving up smoking was on April 5, 1679, when Johan Katsu, Sheriff of Turku, Finland, wrote in his diary "I quit smoking tobacco." He died one month later.

"Goodbye" came from "God bye" which came from "God be with you."

February is Black History Month.

Jane Barbie was the woman who did the voice recordings for the Bell System.

The first drive-in service station in the United States was opened by Gulf Oil Company - on December 1, 1913, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

The elephant is the only animal with 4 knees.

Kansas state law requires pedestrians crossing the highways at night to wear tail lights.
 
One out of three employees who received a promotion use a coffee mug with the company logo on it.


About a third of all Americans flush the toilet while they're still sitting on it.

According to Genesis 1:20-22 the chicken came before the egg.

Soldiers from every country salute with their right hand.

The microwave oven was invented by mistake when an engineer testing a magnetron tube noticed that the radiation from it melted the chocolate bar he had in his pocket.

Moisture, not air, causes super glue to dry.

Only 14% of Americans say they've skinny dipped with the opposite sex.

"60 Minutes" on CBS is the only TV show to not have a theme song or music.

Half of all Americans live within 50 miles of their birthplace.

Most boat owners name their boats. The most popular boat name requested is Obsession.

100% of all lottery winners gain weight.

An average American will spend an average of 6 months during his lifetime waiting at red lights.

The Olympic flag's colors are always red, black, blue, green and yellow rings on a field of white. This is because at least one of those colors appears on the flag of every nation on the planet.

Cats can hear ultrasound.

In a recent survey, Americans revealed that banana was their favorite smell.

In all three Godfather films, when you see oranges, there is a death (or a very close call) coming up soon.

If you were to spell out numbers, you would you have to go until 1,000 until you would find the letter "A".

23% of employees say they have had sex in the office.

Bullet proof vests, fire escapes, windshield wipers and laser printers were all invented by women.

Married men change their underwear twice as often as single men.

There are more collect calls on Father's Day than any other day of the year.

Mel Blanc (voice of Bugs Bunny) was allergic to carrots.

40% of all people who come to a party in your home snoop in your medicine cabinet.

3.9% of all women surveyed say they never wear underwear.

Superman is featured on every episode of "Seinfeld", either by name or pictures on Jerry's refrigerator.

85% of the men who cheat on their wives die while having sex.

Every day more money is printed for Monopoly than for the US Treasury.

American Airlines saved $40,000 in 1987 by eliminating one olive from each salad served first class.

Percentage of Africa that is wilderness: 28

Percentage of North America that is wilderness: 38

Percentage of American men who say they would marry the same woman if they had it to do all over again: 80

Percentage of American women who say they would marry the same man: 50

Percentage of men who say they are happier after their divorce or separation: 58

Percentage of women who say they are happier: 85

Average life span of a major league baseball: 7 pitches

Percentage of bird species that are monogamous: 90

Percentage of mammal species that are monogamous: 3

Chances that a burglary in the United States will be solved: 1 in 7

One third of the land in the United States is owned by the government.

The hummingbird is the only bird that can fly backwards.

Antarctica is the only continent without reptiles or snakes.

An eagle can kill a young deer and fly away with it.

In the Caribbean there are oysters that can climb trees.

Intelligent people have more zinc and copper in their hair.

The world's youngest parents were 8 and 9 and lived in China in 1910.

When George Lucas was mixing the American Graffiti soundtrack, he numbered the reels of film starting with an R and numbered the dialog starting with a D. Sound designer Walter Murch asked George for Reel 2, Dialog 2 by saying "R2D2". George liked the way that sounded so much he integrated that into another project he was working on.

The youngest pope was 11 years old.

Mark Twain didn't graduate from elementary school.

Proportional to their weight, men are stronger than horses.

Pilgrims ate popcorn at the first Thanksgiving dinner.

They have square watermelons in Japan - they stack better.

Iceland consumes more Coca-Cola per capita than any other nation.

Heinz Catsup leaving the bottle travels at 25 miles per year.

It is possible to lead a cow upstairs but not downstairs.

Armadillos can be housebroken.

The first Fords had engines made by Dodge.

A mole can dig a tunnel 300 feet long in just one night.

Peanuts are one of the ingredients in dynamite.

Ancient Egyptians slept on pillows made of stone.

A hippo can open its mouth wide enough to fit a 4 foot tall child inside.

A quarter has 119 grooves on its edge, a dime has one less groove.

A hummingbird weighs less than a penny.

Until 1796, there was a state in the United States called Franklin. Today it is known as Tennessee.

The flashing warning light on the cylindrical Capitol Records tower spells out HOLLYWOOD in Morse code.

Every time you lick a stamp, you're consuming 1/10 of a calorie.

The average person has over 1,460 dreams a year.

One in every 4 Americans has appeared on television.

The average American will eat about 11.9 pounds of cereal per year.

Over 1,000 birds a year die from smashing into windows.

The State of Florida is bigger than England.

Ants stretch when they wake up in the morning.

It's against the law to have a pet dog in Iceland.

Thomas Edison, light bulb inventor, was afraid of the dark.

During your lifetime, you'll eat about 60,000 pounds of food. That's the weight of about 6 elephants.

Some ribbon worms will eat themselves if they can't find any food.

Dolphins sleep with one eye open.

The world's oldest piece of chewing gum is 9000 years old.

In space, astronauts cannot cry, because there is no gravity, so the tears can't flow.

About 3000 years ago, most Egyptians died by the time they were 30.

More people use blue toothbrushes than red ones.

A sneeze travels out your mouth at over 100 m.p.h.

Your ribs move about 5 million times a year, every time you breathe.

In the White House, there are 13,092 knives, forks and spoons.

Slugs have 4 noses.

Recycling one glass jar saves enough energy to watch TV for 3 hours.

Lightning strikes about 6,000 times per minute on this planet.

Owls are the only birds who can see the color blue.

The average American drinks about 600 sodas a year.

It's against the law to slam your car door in Switzerland.

There wasn't a single pony in the Pony Express, just horses.

Honeybees have hair on their eyes.

A jellyfish is 95 percent water.

In Bangladesh, kids as young as 15 can be jailed for cheating on their finals.

A company in Taiwan makes dinnerware out of wheat, so you can eat your plate.

The elephant is the only mammal that can't jump.

The penguin is the only bird who can swim, but not fly.

The most common name in the world is Mohammed.

Q is the only letter in the alphabet that does not appear in the name of any of the United States.

America once issued a 5-cent bill.

You'll eat about 35,000 cookies in your lifetime.

Babe Ruth wore a cabbage leaf under is cap to keep him cool. He changed it every 2 innings.

Fortune cookies were actually invented in America, in 1918, by Charles Jung.

A giraffe can clean its ears with its 21-inch tongue.

Chewing gum while peeling onions will keep you from crying.

The pitches that Babe Ruth hit for his last-ever homerun and that Joe DiMaggio hit for his first-ever homerun where thrown by the same man.

Bats always turn left when exiting a cave.

The praying mantis is the only insect that can turn its head.

In Tokyo, they sell toupees for dogs.

There are over 52.6 million dogs in the U.S.

Dogs and cats consume almost $7 billion worth of pet food a year.

Baby robins eat 14 feet of earthworms every day.

The Pentagon has twice as many restrooms as necessary. When it was built, segregation was still in place in Virginia, so separate restrooms for blacks and whites were required by law.

In England, in the 1880's, "Pants" was considered a dirty word.

Most dust particles in your house are made from dead skin.

In 2003, there were 86 days of below-freezing weather in Hell, Michigan
 
1,525,000,000 miles of telephone wire a strung across the U.S.
101 Dalmatians and Peter Pan (Wendy) are the only two Disney cartoon features with both parents that are present and don't die throughout the movie.
111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321
12 newborns will be given to the wrong parents daily.
123,000,000 cars are being driven down the U.S's highways.
160 cars can drive side by side on the Monumental Axis in Brazil, the world's widest road.
166,875,000,000 pieces of mail are delivered each year in the U.S.
27% of U.S. male college students believe life is "A meaningless existential hell."
315 entries in Webster's Dictionary will be misspelled.
5% of Canadians don't know the first 7 words of the Canadian anthem, but know the first 9 of the American anthem.
56,000,000 people go to Major League baseball each year.
7% of Americans don't know the first 9 words of the American anthem, but know the first 7 of the Canadian anthem.
85,000,000 tons of paper are used each year in the U.S.
99% of the solar systems mass is concentrated in the sun.
A 10-gallon hat barely holds 6 pints.
A cat has 32 muscles in each ear.
A cockroach can live several weeks with its head cut off.
A company in Taiwan makes dinnerware out of wheat, so you can eat your plate.
A cow produces 200 times more gas a day than a person.
A dime has 118 ridges around the edge.
A dragonfly has a lifespan of 24 hours.
A fully loaded supertanker travelling at normal speed takes a least twenty minutes to stop.
A giraffe can clean its ears with its 21-inch tongue.
A giraffe can go without water longer than a camel can.
A goldfish has a memory span of three seconds.
A hard working adult sweats up to 4 gallons per day. Most of the sweat evaporates before a person realizes it's there.
A hedgehog's heart beats 300 times a minute on average.
A hippo can open its mouth wide enough to fit a 4 foot tall child inside.
A hummingbird weighs less than a penny.
A jellyfish is 95 percent water.
A "jiffy" is an actual unit of time for 1/100th of a second.
A jumbo jet uses 4,000 gallons of fuel to take off.
A male emperor moth can smell a female emperor moth up to 7 miles away.
A man named Charles Osborne had the hiccups for 6 years. Wow.
A mole can dig a tunnel 300 feet long in just one night.
A monkey was once tried and convicted for smoking a cigarette in South Bend, Indiana.
A pig's orgasm lasts for 30 minutes.
A pregnant goldfish is called a twit.
A Saudi Arabian woman can get a divorce if her husband doesn't give her coffee.
A shark is the only fish that can blink with both eyes.
A quarter has 119 grooves on its edge, a dime has one less groove.
A shark can detect one part of blood in 100 million parts of water.
A skunk can spray its stinky scent more than 10 feet.
A sneeze travels out your mouth at over 100 m.p.h.
A toothpick is the object most often choked on by Americans!
A walla-walla scene is one where extras pretend to be talking in the background -- when they say "walla-walla" it looks like they are actually talking.
A whale's penis is called a dork.
About 3000 years ago, most Egyptians died by the time they were 30.
About 70% of Americans who go to college do it just to make more money. [The rest of us are avoiding reality for four more years.]
According to a British law passed in 1845, attempting to commit suicide was a capital offense. Offenders could be hanged for trying.
Actor Tommy Lee Jones and former vice-president Al Gore were freshman roommates at Harvard.
Al Capone's business card said he was a used furniture dealer.
All 50 states are listed across the top of the Lincoln Memorial on the back of the $5 bill.
All of the clocks in the movie "Pulp Fiction" are stuck on 4:20.
All porcupines float in water.
Almonds are a member of the peach family.
Almost a quarter of the land area of Los Angeles is taken up by automobiles.
America once issued a 5-cent bill.
America's first nudist organization was founded in 1929, by 3 men.
Ancient Egyptians slept on pillows made of stone.
An animal epidemic is called an epizootic.
An average person laughs about 15 times a day.
An iguana can stay under water for 28 minutes.
An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain.
Armadillos are the only animal besides humans that can get leprosy.
Armadillos have four babies at a time and they are always all the same sex.
Armored knights raised their visors to identify themselves when they rode past their king. This custom has become the modern military salute.
Aztec emperor Montezuma had a nephew, Cuitlahac, whose name meant "plenty of excrement."
Babe Ruth wore a cabbage leaf under is cap to keep him cool. He changed it every 2 innings.
Babies are born without knee caps. They don't appear until the child reaches 2-6 years of age.
Baby robins eat 14 feet of earthworms every day.
Back in the mid to late 1980's, an IBM-compatible computer wasn't considered a hundred percent compatible unless it could run Microsoft's Flight Simulator.
Bank robber John Dillinger played professional baseball.
Barbie's measurements if she were life size: 39-23-33.
Bats always turn left when exiting a cave.
Ben and Jerry's send the waste from making ice cream to local pig farmers to use as feed. Pigs love the stuff, except for one flavor: Mint Oreo.
Bird droppings are the chief export of Nauru, an island nation in the Western Pacific.
Blueberry Jelly Bellies were created especially for Ronald Reagan.
Bubble gum contains rubber.
Camel's milk does not curdle.
Camels have three eyelids to protect themselves from blowing sand.
Canada is an Indian word meaning "Big Village".
Cat's urine glows under a blacklight.
Cats can produce over one hundred vocal sounds, while dogs can only produce about ten.
Charles Lindbergh took only four sandwiches with him on his famous transatlantic flight.
Chewing gum while peeling onions will keep you from crying.
Clans of long ago that wanted to get rid of their unwanted people without killing them use to burn their houses down - hence the expression "to get fired."
Cleo and Caesar were the early stage names of Cher and Sonny Bono.
Columbia University is the second largest landowner in New York City, after the Catholic Church.
David Prowse was the guy in the Darth Vader suit in Star Wars. He spoke all of Vader's lines, and didn't know that he was going to be dubbed over by James Earl Jones until he saw the screening of the movie.
Did you know that there are coffee flavored PEZ?
Dogs and cats consume almost $7 billion worth of pet food a year.
Dolphins sleep with one eye open.
Donald Duck comics were banned from Finland because he doesn't wear pants.
Dr. Samuel A. Mudd was the physician who set the leg of Lincoln's assassin John Wilkes Booth... and whose shame created the expression for ignominy, "His name is Mudd."
Dr. Seuss pronounced "Seuss" such that it rhymed with "rejoice."
"Dreamt" is the only English word that ends in the letters "mt."
Dueling is legal in Paraguay as long as both parties are registered blood donors.
During your lifetime, you'll eat about 60,000 pounds of food, that's the weight of about 6 elephants.
Einstein couldn't speak fluently when he was nine. His parents thought he might be ******ed.
Emus and kangaroos cannot walk backwards, and are on the Australian coat of arms for that reason.
Eskimo ice cream is neither icy, or creamy.
Even if you cut off a cockroach's head, it can live for several weeks.
Every person has a unique tongue print.
Every time Beethoven sat down to write music, he poured ice water over his head.
Every time you lick a stamp, you're consuming 1/10 of a calorie.
Facetious and abstemious contain all the vowels in the correct order, as does arsenious, meaning "containing arsenic."
February 1865 is the only month in recorded history not to have a full moon.
Fingernails grow nearly 4 times faster than toenails.
Fortune cookies were actually invented in America, in 1918, by Charles Jung.
Gilligan of Gilligan's Island had a first name that was only used once, on the never-aired pilot show. His first name was Willy. The skipper's real name on Gilligan's Island is Jonas Grumby. It was mentioned once in the first episode on their radio's newscast about the wreck.
Giraffes have no vocal cords.
Goethe couldn't stand the sound of barking dogs and could only write if he had an apple rotting in the drawer of his desk.
Hang On Sloopy is the official rock song of Ohio.
Hershey's Kisses are called that because the machine that makes them looks like it's kissing the conveyor belt.
Honeybees have hair on their eyes.
Human teeth are almost as hard as rocks.
Human thigh bones are stronger than concrete.
Hydroxydesoxycorticosterone and hydroxydeoxycorticosterones are the largest anagrams.
Hypnotism is banned by public schools in San Diego.
"I am." is the shortest complete sentence in the English language.
If a statue in the park of a person on a horse has both front legs in the air, the person died in battle; if the horse has one front leg in the air, the person died as a result of wounds received in battle; if the horse has all four legs on the ground, the person died of natural causes.
If NASA sent birds into space they would soon die; they need gravity to swallow.
If you bring a raccoon's head to the Henniker, New Hampshire town hall, you are entitled to receive $.10 from the town.
If you have three quarters, four dimes, and four pennies, you have $1.19. You also have the largest amount of money in coins without being able to make change for a dollar.
If you toss a penny 10,000 times, it will not be heads 5,000 times, but more like 4,950. The heads picture weighs more, so it ends up on the bottom.
If your eyes are six feet above the surface of the ocean, the horizon will be about three statute miles away.
In 1980, a Las Vegas hospital suspended workers for betting on when patients would die.
In 1980, there was only one country in the world with no telephones - Bhutan.
In 1983, a Japanese artist made a copy of the Mona Lisa completely out of toast.
In 1984, a Canadian farmer began renting ad space on his cows.
In 75% of American households, women manage the money and pay the bills.
In Bangladesh, kids as young as 15 can be jailed for cheating on their finals.
In England, in the 1880's, "Pants" were considered a dirty word.
In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.
In every episode of "Seinfeld" there is a Superman somewhere.
In Kentucky, 50 percent of the people who get married for the first time are teenagers.
In Los Angeles, there are fewer people than there are automobiles.
In most advertisements, including newspapers, the time displayed on a watch is 10:10.
In space, astronauts cannot cry, because there is no gravity, so the tears can't flow.
In the 1940s, the FCC assigned television's Channel 1 to mobile services (two-way radios in taxicabs, for instance) but did not re-number the other channel assignments. That is why your TV set has channels 2 and up, but no channel 1.
In the great fire of London in 1666 half of London was burnt down but only 6 people were injured.
In the last 4000 years, no new animals have been domesticated.
In the movie "Casablanca," Humphrey Bogart never said "Play it again, Sam."
In the White House, there are 13,092 knives, forks and spoons.
In Tokyo, they sell toupees for dogs.
Isaac Asimov is the only author to have a book in every Dewey-decimal category.
It takes a lobster approximately seven years to grow to be one pound.
It takes about a half a gallon of water to cook macaroni, and about a gallon to clean the pot.
It was discovered on a space mission that a frog can throw up. The frog throws up its stomach first, so the stomach is dangling out of its mouth. Then the frog uses its forearms to dig out all of the stomach's contents and then swallows the stomach back down again.
It was once against the law to have a pet dog in a city in Iceland.
It was once against the law to slam your car door in a city in Switzerland.
It's against the law to burp, or sneeze in a certain church in Omaha, Nebraska.
It's against the law to catch fish with your bare hands in Kansas.
It's impossible to sneeze with your eyes open. (Don't try this at home!)
Ivory bar soap floating was a mistake. They had been overmixing the soap formula causing excess air bubbles that made it float. Customers wrote and told how much they loved that it floated, and it has floated ever since.
John Lennon's first girlfriend was named Thelma Pickles.
"Kemo Sabe" means "soggy shrub" in Navajo.
Kotex was first manufactured as bandages, during WWI.
Lee Harvey Oswald's cadaver tag sold at an auction for $6,600 in 1992.
Leonardo Da Vinci invented the scissors.
Lightning strikes about 6,000 times per minute on this planet.
Like fingerprints, everyone's tongue print is different.
Lincoln Logs were invented by Frank Lloyd Wright's son.
Lorne Greene had one of his nipples bitten off by an alligator while he was host of "Lorne Greene's Wild Kingdom."
Los Angeles's full name is "El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciuncula" and can be abbreviated to 3.63% of its original size: "L.A."
Maine is the only state whose name is just one syllable.
Many hamsters only blink one eye at a time.
Mel Blanc (the voice of Bugs Bunny) was allergic to carrots.
Michael Jordan makes more money from Nike annually than all of the Nike factory workers in Malaysia combined.
Millie the White House dog earned more than 4 times as much as President Bush in 1991.
Money isn't made out of paper, it's made out of cotton.
Montpelier, VT is the only U.S. state capital without a McDonalds.
More Monopoly money is printed in a year, than real money printed throughout the world.
More people are killed annually by donkeys than die in air crashes.
More people use blue toothbrushes, than red ones.
Mosquitoes have teeth.
Most Americans' car horns beep in the key of F.
Most cows give more milk when they listen to music.
Most dust particles in your house are made from dead skin.
Most lipstick contains fish scales.
Mr. Rogers is an ordained minister.
Murphy's Oil Soap is the chemical most commonly used to clean elephants.
No word in the English language rhymes with month, orange, silver, and purple.
Non-dairy creamer is flammable.
Nutmeg is extremely poisonous if injected intravenously
On a Canadian two dollar bill, the flag flying over the Parliament Building looks like an American flag, but is actually the flag that flew over to Dominion of Canada before the Maple Leaf .
On an American one-dollar bill, there is an owl in the upper left-hand corner of the "1" encased in the "shield" and a spider hidden in the front upper right-hand corner.
One in every 4 americans has appeared on television.
One of the reasons marijuana is illegal today is because cotton growers in the 1930's lobbied against hemp farmers -- they saw it as competition. It is not as chemically addictive as is nicotine, alcohol, or caffeine.
One quarter of the bones in your body, are in your feet.
Only 55% of all Americans know that the sun is a star.
Only one person in two billion will live to be 116 or older.
Only two people signed the Declaration of Independence on July 4th, John Hancock and Charles Thomson. Most of the rest signed on August 2, but the last signature wasn't added until 5 years later.
Our eyes are always the same size from birth, but our nose and ears never stop growing.
Over 1000 birds a year die from smashing into windows.
Owls are one of the only birds who can see the color blue.
Pamela Anderson Lee is Canada's Centennial Baby, being the first baby born on the centennial anniversary of Canada's independence.
Peanuts are one of the ingredients of dynamite.
Penguins can jump as high as 6 feet in the air.
Pinocchio is Italian for "pine head."
Playing cards were issued to British pilots in WWII. If captured, they could be soaked in water and unfolded to reveal a map for escape.
Polar Bears trying to blend in with the ice will sometimes cover up their black nose with their paws.
Pollsters say that 40 percent of dog and cat owners carry pictures of the pets in their wallets.
Q is the only letter in the alphabet that does not appear in the name of any of the United States.
Recycling one glass jar, saves enough energy to watch T.V for 3 hours.
Reindeer like to eat bananas.
Research indicates that mosquitoes are attracted to people who have recently eaten bananas.
Rubber bands last longer when refrigerated.
Sherlock Holmes never said "Elementary, my dear Watson."
Sigmund Freud had a morbid fear of ferns.
Since 1896, the beginning of the modern Olympics, only Greece and Australia have participated in every Games.
Slugs have 4 noses.
Some ribbon worms will eat themselves if they can't find any food.
Some toothpaste's contain antifreeze.
Spotted skunks do handstands before they spray.
"Stewardesses" is the longest word that is typed with only the left hand.
Studies show that if a cat falls off the seventh floor of a building it has about thirty percent less chance of surviving than a cat that falls off the twentieth floor. It supposedly takes about eight floors for the cat to realize what is occurring, relax and correct itself.
Sylvia Miles had the shortest performance ever nominated for an Oscar with "Midnight Cowboy." Her entire role lasted only six minutes.
Texas is also the only state that is allowed to fly its state flag at the same height as the U.S. flag.
The airplane Buddy Holly died in was the "American Pie." (Thus the name of the Don McLean song.)
The average American drinks about 600 sodas a year.
The average American will eat about 11.9 pounds of cereal per year.
The average bank teller loses about $250 every year.
The average person falls asleep in seven minutes.
The average person has over 1,460 dreams a year.
The average person is about a quarter of an inch taller at night.
The average person laughs 15 times a day.
The average person's left hand does 56% of the typing.
The Baby Ruth candy bar was actually named after Grover Cleveland's baby daughter, Ruth.
The band Duran Duran got their name from an astronaut in the 1968 Jane Fonda movie "Barbarella.
The blesbok, a South African antelope, is almost the same color as grapejuice.
The Boston University Bridge (on Commonwealth Avenue, Boston, Massachusetts) is the only place in the world where a boat can sail under a train driving under a car driving under an airplane.
The characters Bert and Ernie on Sesame Street were named after Bert the cop and Ernie the taxi driver in Frank Capra's "Its A Wonderful Life".
The combination "ough" can be pronounced in nine different ways. The following sentence contains them all: "A rough-coated, dough-faced, thoughtful ploughman strode through the streets of Scarborough; after falling into a slough, he coughed and hiccoughed.
 
Reference?
1929 is a well-known date; I could give several references but a simple google search on your part would do just as well.

Here's a link to get you started (from the UCI website):

http://www.lib.uci.edu/themerger/history-of-merger.html

"1929: The ACS removed its accreditation of Unit I until a newer Unit I was built and the M.D.s were physically and administratively separated from the D.O.s. The American Osteopathic Association mandated that all osteopathic colleges implemented into their curricula education about materia medica and pharmacology. The name of the profession changed from “Osteopathy” to “Osteopathic Medicine.”
 
Specter...you should know when to fold em. This isn't a religious forum...I was bashed pretty bad for knowing more about the placebo effect than you do about religion.

Throw in the towel.
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just because you want oh so badly for me to be wrong doesnt give you the right to... no no, that's wrong. You are well within your rights to continue acting like a douche fountain ;) hang on kid, we will get there :thumbup:

I did have the feeling that you were just making a joke.
:rolleyes: and then below.........
No I didn't. You stated the Book of Mormon either at one time or now condoned African Slavery in the US.

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The original point was about DOs as a profession being whimsical and inconsistent with their "beliefs" throughout history and a parallel was made to the content edits in the book of mormon. My post was only to illuminate the fact that yes, the book of mormon has been known to "adapt to the times".


Halfsey, you apparently know little of medical literature, world religions, and, oh... i dunno.... diction? but keep rooting for team anti-specter :rolleyes: It has nothing to do with personal beef and everything to do with the content of your posts
 
just because you want oh so badly for me to be wrong doesnt give you the right to... no no, that's wrong. You are well within your rights to continue acting like a douche fountain ;) hang on kid, we will get there :thumbup:


:rolleyes: and then below.........


The original point was about DOs as a profession being whimsical and inconsistent with their "beliefs" throughout history and a parallel was made to the content edits in the book of mormon. My post was only to illuminate the fact that yes, the book of mormon has been known to "adapt to the times".


Halfsey, you apparently know little of medical literature, world religions, and, oh... i dunno.... diction? but keep rooting for team anti-specter :rolleyes: It has nothing to do with personal beef and everything to do with the content of your posts

first and for most...i don't root for the anti-specter team. I just find your comments to be immature at times.

Also, its ok to wrong...I am wrong all the time, and so are you. I had fun acting like an idiot at 2 am, but we were arguing over opinion and the definition of ad hominem, real inconsequential stuff.

Here, you are bashing someones religion, which is something I know a great deal about. I also have a lot of respect for others religions, and you are being ignorant about it.

So, if you want to know why you were wrong, just go back and re read your posts. I'm not sure why you quoted the two sentences you did, the first was for JD and the second serenade. And he was right...serenade claimed the B of Mormon to contain language about slavery in the US, which is funny since that turned out to be completely false! **edit: plus you linked a very suspect website as your proof...I think that was the main problem**

where is this original point you are talking about? All I read was that mormons are racist, and the book of mormon condones it...I think you missed something.

Also, Im not sure why you think I'm being so mean to you...Im just calling you out on an inconsistency. Don't you claim the same?
 
Here's an example of how osteopathic research should be performed (with sham control group and large sample size):

http://www.om-pc.com/content/4/1/2

On the subject of achieving double blind by "teaching students a fake OMM"... this would not work because OMM actually requires you to palpate and perceive change structurally (using anatomical landmarks, physical exam tests, muscle tonicity, etc.) in order to know that your treatment has had an effect/is complete... it's not just doing random motions. Even medical students can understand when something is actually having an effect or not... So I don't think this would work though it is an interesting thought.

That study looks pretty compelling...

To the MD folks in the thread what's wrong with it?

PS mormonism is silly.
 
Why did this thread shift to mormons?
 
first and for most...i don't root for the anti-specter team. I just find your comments to be immature at times.

Also, its ok to wrong...I am wrong all the time, and so are you. I had fun acting like an idiot at 2 am, but we were arguing over opinion and the definition of ad hominem, real inconsequential stuff.

Here, you are bashing someones religion, which is something I know a great deal about. I also have a lot of respect for others religions, and you are being ignorant about it.

So, if you want to know why you were wrong, just go back and re read your posts. I'm not sure why you quoted the two sentences you did, the first was for JD and the second serenade. And he was right...serenade claimed the B of Mormon to contain language about slavery in the US, which is funny since that turned out to be completely false! **edit: plus you linked a very suspect website as your proof...I think that was the main problem**

where is this original point you are talking about? All I read was that mormons are racist, and the book of mormon condones it...I think you missed something.

Also, Im not sure why you think I'm being so mean to you...Im just calling you out on an inconsistency. Don't you claim the same?

:rolleyes:

You know a lot about Mormonism do you? Right.

The only thing being addressed was that Johnny made a point about the inconsistent nature of DO philosophy and likened it to the book of Mormon which HAS been revised for content (not just grammar or anything that doesn't affect meaning) and ipaddoc got his panties in a bunch over it. Did the book explicitly say "Slavs R Gud!"? No. It did demonize black-skinned people until a specific edit. if you really want to take this opportunity to jump on a little careless language to take revenge for yesterday's antics go right ahead. I'm pretty sure you're just still butthurt so maybe some ointment would do better ;)


If you're following at all you would understand that it is not my intention to discuss the ins and outs of Mormonism but rather to just curb the nonsense that Johnny's post brought out. Missed that did ya? :rolleyes:
 
Again, its never been condoned by the book of mormon. THE BOOK OF MORMON IS A HISTORY OF PEOPLE WHO LIVED BEFORE THE USA WAS FOUNDED so it obviously never spoke to african slavery. The very fact you think that shows that you dont have a clue what the Book of Mormon is, which is OK.

I just wanted to point out USA was founded in 1776 and slavery here began in early 1600s, so it isn't "obvious" that a book about times before 1776 didn't discuss things that occurred before 1776.

That's all.
 
I just wanted to point out USA was founded in 1776 and slavery here began in early 1600s, so it isn't "obvious" that a book about times before 1776 didn't discuss things that occurred before 1776.

That's all.

Written Language also was never invented nor imported via founder effect to the Eastern Parts of North America until European Settlers came here. But regardless, lets get back to more pertinent topics than religion.
 
I just wanted to point out USA was founded in 1776 and slavery here began in early 1600s, so it isn't "obvious" that a book about times before 1776 didn't discuss things that occurred before 1776.

That's all.

OK, but lets be s bit more critical than that...

These people were talking like they knew what was in the Book of Mormon, right?

And even if they didnt, a very quick google search would inform anyone that the Book of Mormon records ended near 400 AD

So, isnt it then obvious that this pre dated the african slavery they were talking about?

Wasn't I then justified in expecting a bit more accuracy?

They heard something wrong and repeated it. We are all wrong sometimes but Id appreciate some intellectual responsibility when arguing a point. I dont even mind defending my beliefs...though its still strange to do it here.

again PM me if you are still confused.
 
OK, but lets be s bit more critical than that...

These people were talking like they knew what was in the Book of Mormon, right?

And even if they didnt, a very quick google search would inform anyone that the Book of Mormon records ended near 400 AD

So, isnt it then obvious that this pre dated the african slavery they were talking about?

Wasn't I then justified in expecting a bit more accuracy?

They heard something wrong and repeated it. We are all wrong sometimes but Id appreciate some intellectual responsibility when arguing a point. I dont even mind defending my beliefs...though its still strange to do it here.

again PM me if you are still confused.

But the book was written in the 1800s..... I understand that designating it a "holy text" means that to those of that faith if it says 400A.D." it is to be trusted.... but the heavy racial overtones in specific texts written in a time when such prejudices were commonplace that were edited out when popular opinion swayed..... leaves one wondering.....
 
But the book was written in the 1800s..... I understand that designating it a "holy text" means that to those of that faith if it says 400A.D." it is to be trusted.... but the heavy racial overtones in specific texts written in a time when such prejudices were commonplace that were edited out when popular opinion swayed..... leaves one wondering.....

Yah, really attractive missionaries though.
 
At one point in history the book of Mormon condoned slavery of Africans. Just because you only acknowledge the latest revision doesn't mean that history has forgotten

Specter, you are changing your argument. You now have two. Here's your first...the book of Mormon condoned slavery of Africans. Read your words.

Now listen, the book of Mormon never even comes close to stating this, ever. In any edition. You have obviously never read the book, so I'd stop pretending to know about it.

Now your argument it that it has racial undertones? Really? Do you know how many black people are in the Mormon church? You must really think they are idiots. Also, you don't need to believe its a real text...you just showed your lack of knowledge of its subject matter. It's describing an ancient culture, so even if there was racism in the book of Mormon, which there is not, it would be a story of racism more than a thousand years ago. Do you really want to pretend you've read it?

I'll say it again, you don't know what you are talking about and I'd appreciate it if you would stop misrepresenting my religion in a medical forum.

And you keep bringing up the editions of the book of Mormon over time as if it's some big conspiracy, or secret. It's not...there's no rule that says you can't improve doctrine. Everything we have has to be interpreted by some regular person, so there are mistakes and misinterpretation everywhere. This isn't a new concept for the Lds church

Bottom line, you said the book of Mormon condones slavery of Africans. That's a very specific accusation. Either back it up with something of substance, or just admit to yourself that you may have got this one wrong.

And I'll keep the offer open...this is a medical forum, PM me if you have questions about my religion.
 
Specter, you are changing your argument. You now have two. Here's your first...the book of Mormon condoned slavery of Africans. Read your words.

Now listen, the book of Mormon never even comes close to stating this, ever. In any edition. You have obviously never read the book, so I'd stop pretending to know about it.

Now your argument it that it has racial undertones? Really? Do you know how many black people are in the Mormon church? You must really think they are idiots. Also, you don't need to believe its a real text...you just showed your lack of knowledge of its subject matter. It's describing an ancient culture, so even if there was racism in the book of Mormon, which there is not, it would be a story of racism more than a thousand years ago. Do you really want to pretend you've read it?

I'll say it again, you don't know what you are talking about and I'd appreciate it if you would stop misrepresenting my religion in a medical forum.

And you keep bringing up the editions of the book of Mormon over time as if it's some big conspiracy, or secret. It's not...there's no rule that says you can't improve doctrine. Everything we have has to be interpreted by some regular person, so there are mistakes and misinterpretation everywhere. This isn't a new concept for the Lds church

Bottom line, you said the book of Mormon condones slavery of Africans. That's a very specific accusation. Either back it up with something of substance, or just admit to yourself that you may have got this one wrong.

And I'll keep the offer open...this is a medical forum, PM me if you have questions about my religion.

I am really not.....My post was never intended to imply that.... uh... Nephi 4:20 states: "And ye shall take yon b-ballers and make them pick cotton in virginia". However, several passages in the early versions of the book of mormon imply directly that people of dark skin are evil. Original text for 2 Nephi 5:21 reads "and he caused the skin of blackness to fall upon them". 22- these people are loathsome 23 - and a cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed (yowza......)

Later editions changed the passages that referred to black skin so now the texts read only about curses, but the fact remains that these things were removed and there is no legitimate reason as to why. Now, it will be impossible to find a source that criticises such things that you do not see as a "questionable and malicious source" so I won't bother.

But here is the thing - 1) mormonism is only still a part of this thread because you are freaking out over a parallel someone made to the real topic which was DO, and whether you agree with it or not, that point was that DO philosophy has whimsically changed in the past. That is all he was getting at. 2) true there is no rule that says doctrine cannot be improved upon. However since the bulk of the original papyri did not exist during the time of the revisions, it his hard to maintain the air of divinity around the texts so either there was some massive conspiracy and all of the papyri are intact somewhere deep in the heart of mormonism, or the text was simply changed for PR reasons :shrug: It really makes no difference to me.

Johnny's post was only "mormons thought blacks were evil". No? Well whatever. It honestly depends how you interpret both the original texts and the fact that they were changed later on (some of them changed in 1964 apparently.... but it is hard to track down a complete list of revisions). It is all beside the point. Im not going to address you on this any more because in reality you are just getting butthurt and hijacking the thread.... evne though we have been talking about mormonism, it was really only to say "stop complaining about johnny's comparison and lets move on :rolleyes:"

So, unless we have any relevant discussion on the OP, I suggest we just calm down and un-bunch our panties for a little bit ;)

p.s. I have not been attacking mormonism or mormons in any of my posts, but it is important to not boldly deny inconsistencies when they are pointed out. Nobody is even saying that changes are bad. but what IS bad is when changes exist and people deny that they ever happened :thumbup: remember, johnnys flippant post was only meant to comment on changing and evolving philosophies (which you have now admitted to when you said there is no rule that says you cannot improve upon a doctrine). And feel free to make good on your offer yourself. If you do not wish to keep this as an open discussion you are welcome to not reply here :rolleyes:
 
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iPhysician, I know Specter is not always the most tactful individual (neither am I on this forum), but you seem to be missing his point completely.

If you assume for a second that the Book of Mormon was written by a man (not the word of God), then you have to examine it in its historical context as well as its actual wording.

It's quite easy to see how something like that could be used for a justification of discrimination or possibly enslavement of people with dark skin.

People used the Bible as an excuse too, but that was written by so many people so long ago it's a bit like reading tea leaves. The Book of Mormon had a single author at a more relevant time to American slavery.

I'd also recommend watching the Book of Mormon if you can tolerate the foul language. The final message is actually somewhat pro-religion and pro-Mormons (eg religion can be a positive thing for people, even if some guy just made it all up).
 
iPhysician, I know Specter is not always the most tactful individual (neither am I on this forum), but you seem to be missing his point completely.

If you assume for a second that the Book of Mormon was written by a man (not the word of God), then you have to examine it in its historical context as well as its actual wording.

It's quite easy to see how something like that could be used for a justification of discrimination or possibly enslavement of people with dark skin.

People used the Bible as an excuse too, but that was written by so many people so long ago it's a bit like reading tea leaves. The Book of Mormon had a single author at a more relevant time to American slavery.

I'd also recommend watching the Book of Mormon if you can tolerate the foul language. The final message is actually somewhat pro-religion and pro-Mormons (eg religion can be a positive thing for people, even if some guy just made it all up).

Johnny, thanks for your response and explanation of your observations here. I can see why you would think that I am missing some point about how religion can be used to further a less than 'holy' goal, such as slavery. But actually, this fact is not lost on me.

Maybe its my fault for not being clear enough? Though I have re-posted this several times...so, if you are to further comment on the issue, direct your comments to what I do take issue with, which was this sentence(there are a few others, but this is representative and was the tipping point):

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Originally Posted by SpecterGT260
At one point in history the book of Mormon condoned slavery of Africans


This is a very specific sentence. It is false and, to me this is offensive.

You and specter need to make the distinction between, the book of mormon condones X, and people use the book of mormon to condone X. Maybe you do? you havent been commenting, which I have appreciated.


These are very different sentences. To make a claim and stick by it as specter has, without ever citing his mysterious "African Slavery" reference, is irresponsible.


(by the way, I have seen the book of mormon, south park and laughed through them both. I dont take comedy and parody as an insult, but a part of being in mainstream culture.)
 
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