DO Faculty at Allopathic Institutions

[postbacpremed87]

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Is this becoming more common? I looked at the Department of Anesthesiology at a top medical school and two of their faculty members were DO physicians. If you have any specific data or know of more examples, then please list. It seems like the MD/DO disparity in respect is beginning to even out.

 

[FrkyBgStok]

it is. i know University of Iowa's anesthesiology residency program takes DOs. Anes is generally a DO friendly field. Anymore, you only see stigma from very prestigious allo programs. The hospital I work at has a DO chief of medicine, and they definitely weren't the first. It is leveling out.

 

[jinobi]

It HAS been evening out for quite a while now. Look at Temple Anes, their chief is a DO.

Being DO or MD at allopathic institutions has no bearing on one's ability to teach. The degree you gain might make it harder for you to attain a specific geographical/specialty preference in terms of residency, but it will not limit you to what you can ACCOMPLISH with the degree.

Two separate issues, IMHO. You have still yet to apply, right? Just apply to both, see where your cards fall, then decide on which school will fit you best. Don't worry about the macro-issues with DO academic positions within MD schools; that concern is years into your future, and situations will change with that length of time.

 

[IDFsoldierboy]

It HAS been evening out for quite a while now. Look at Temple Anes, their chief is a DO.

Being DO or MD at allopathic institutions has no bearing on one's ability to teach. The degree you gain might make it harder for you to attain a specific geographical/specialty preference in terms of residency, but it will not limit you to what you can ACCOMPLISH with the degree.

Two separate issues, IMHO. You have still yet to apply, right? Just apply to both, see where your cards fall, then decide on which school will fit you best. Don't worry about the macro-issues with DO academic positions within MD schools; that concern is years into your future, and situations will change with that length of time.

you should also look at it this way...by the time you start having enough experience to apply and be eligible for head of the dept or chief of medicine or being a prof at a school will be years down the road and I suspect things will be very very different in respects to even the most prestigious of schools and hospitals

 

[postbacpremed87]

It HAS been evening out for quite a while now. Look at Temple Anes, their chief is a DO.

Being DO or MD at allopathic institutions has no bearing on one's ability to teach. The degree you gain might make it harder for you to attain a specific geographical/specialty preference in terms of residency, but it will not limit you to what you can ACCOMPLISH with the degree.

Two separate issues, IMHO. You have still yet to apply, right? Just apply to both, see where your cards fall, then decide on which school will fit you best. Don't worry about the macro-issues with DO academic positions within MD schools; that concern is years into your future, and situations will change with that length of time.

👍 I looked at UIowa's program. 4 of their PGY 3's were DOs.

 

[koala37]

and just wanted to add...the D.O. degree is also rapidly gaining international acceptance as well, Currently, Osteopathic physicians have unlimited practice rights in 55 countries and the AOA is working on expanding this number. I think its safe to say in the future that by the time we finish residency (7 to 10 years), the D.O. will be accepted worldwide alongside the M.D. degree. An american medical degree is an american medical degree, regardless.

 

[costales]

Professors at the top two med schools in Texas who are TCOM alumni:

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UT Southwestern Medical School
http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/

Beverly Jan Perez, D.O.
Anesthesiology

Jack Bernard Cohen, D.O.
Dermatology

Reagann Mccreary, D.O.
Pediatrics, Emergency Medicine

Ralph Joseph, D.O.
Obstetrics and Gynecology

Tasneem Ahmed, D.O.
Gastroenterology

Malik Ali, D.O.
Internal Medicine

Hans Ghayee, D.O.
Endocrinology

Robert Goldsteen, D.O.
Internal Medicine

Damon Kennedy, D.O.
Cardiovascular Surgery

Min Yi, D.O.
Internal Medicine

Ardith Courtney, D.O.
Neurology

Dominick Cavuoti, D.O.
Pathology

Vicki Moore, D.O.
Pediatrics

Reina Patel, D.O.
Pediatrics

Kavita Trivedi, D.O.
Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

Paul Croarkin, D.O.
Psychiatry

Clayton Trimmer, D.O.
Radiology

Christopher Gayden, D.O.
Orthopedic Surgery

Frank A. Nizza Jr., D.O.
Pathology

Robert B. Simonson, D.O.
Emergency Medicine

John H. Ansohn, D.O.
Emergency Medicine

Susan L. Bacsik, D.O.
Pediatrics

Michael Cowan, D.O.
Pediatrics

Richard Turner, D.O.
Pediatrics

E. Charles Ruby, D.O.
Family Medicine

Sharon Davis, D.O.
Family Medicine

Pamela Santone, D.O.
Family Medicine

Farid Taie, D.O.
Family Medicine

Gerald G. George, D.O.
Family Medicine

Robert K. Stahlman, D.O.
Family Medicine

Judith Werner, D.O.
Family Medicine

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Baylor College of Medicine
http://www.bcm.edu/

Mark J. Dugas, D.O.
Anesthesiology

Matthew J. Messa D.O.
Emergency Medicine

Charlie Lan, D.O.
Pulmonary, Critical Care, and Sleep Medicine

Randall H. Lofton, D.O
Pathology

Paul E. Sirbaugh, D.O.
Pediatric Emergency Medicine

Elizabeth Ann Thyssen, D.O.
Pediatric Emergency Medicine

Laurel Williams, D.O.
Child and Adolescent Psychiatry

Stephanie R. Martin, D.O.
Maternal-Fetal Medicine

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[Mbeas]

and just wanted to add...the D.O. degree is also rapidly gaining international acceptance as well, Currently, Osteopathic physicians have unlimited practice rights in 45 countries and the AOA is working on expanding this number. I think its safe to say in the future that by the time we finish residency (7 to 10 years), the D.O. will be accepted worldwide alongside the M.D. degree. An american medical degree is an american medical degree, regardless.

ftfy

http://www.osteopathic.org/inside-a.../Pages/international-practice-rights-map.aspx

 

[donkeykong1]

Here is another:

Ross D. Zafonte, DO
Vice President of Medical Affairs and Chair of the Dept. of PMR at Harvard Medical School

http://www.spauldingrehab.org/ourphysicians/staffprofile,uid=444

 

[IDFsoldierboy]

ftfy

http://www.osteopathic.org/inside-a.../Pages/international-practice-rights-map.aspx

but who cares about france anyways 😛

 

[DrMaximus]

but who cares about france anyways 😛

I was thinking the exact same thing. 😀

 

[IDFsoldierboy]

I was thinking the exact same thing. 😀

I think deep down we all thing it hahaha

 

[willen101383]

I dont think anyone is really doubting that it is possible to get into the ivory tower as a DO. But lets be real here, its a lot more difficult. It really behooves pre DO students to recognize their goals in life and acknowledge that the DO pathway DOES still have its difficulties and downsides compared with the MD route. And if your goals in life involve being in academic medicine at a top center I wouldnt really consider DO (unless it really is your only choice). Pushing these issues under the rug doesnt mean they dont exist.

 

[DocEspana]

and just wanted to add...the D.O. degree is also rapidly gaining international acceptance as well, Currently, Osteopathic physicians have unlimited practice rights in 55 countries and the AOA is working on expanding this number. I think its safe to say in the future that by the time we finish residency (7 to 10 years), the D.O. will be accepted worldwide alongside the M.D. degree. An american medical degree is an american medical degree, regardless.

Also of note: the american MD degree is not accepted worldwide at all. Its a common, but completely incorrect, assumption. Most (But not all) places the DO degree isnt accepted currently are also places where american MDs cannot practice as well. (Exceptions include Spain, France, Portugal, and Australia. But most of south america, africa, and the balkans are closed to the MD degree as well)

 

[CopToEM]

By 2015, about 20% of medical students in the U.S. are projected to be osteopathic students. Certainly there will be more and more DOs in MD programs!

 

[zwitterion34]

That's interesting. 😎

 

[El Dooderino]

Also of note: the american MD degree is not accepted worldwide at all. Its a common, but completely incorrect, assumption. Most (But not all) places the DO degree isnt accepted currently are also places where american MDs cannot practice as well. (Exceptions include Spain, France, Portugal, and Australia. But most of south america, africa, and the balkans are closed to the MD degree as well)

Spain, France, Portugal, Australia vs. Africa, South America, and the Balkans. Hmmmm, that's a tough one

 

[DocEspana]

Spain, France, Portugal, Australia vs. Africa, South America, and the Balkans. Hmmmm, that's a tough one

I was pointing out which ones I knew that were different. Those four are the ones I know of. The rest of the countries have nohing to do with the degree, its the "american" part.

 

[El Dooderino]

I was pointing out which ones I knew that were different. Those four are the ones I know of. The rest of the countries have nohing to do with the degree, its the "american" part.

It was just funny saying there's no difference except four of the most modern, westernized countries that people would most want to practice in if they did leave the US

 

[IDFsoldierboy]

It was just funny saying there's no difference except four of the most modern, westernized countries that people would most want to practice in if they did leave the US

honestly I feel if people practiced intl medicine itd be to an african country doing a doctors without borders thing

 

[El Dooderino]

honestly I feel if people practiced intl medicine itd be to an african country doing a doctors without borders thing

yeah, of course people do that all the time now in Africa. The rules we're talking about is if you move to a country and become a permanent resident.

 

[Mbeas]

By 2015, about 20% of medical students in the U.S. are projected to be osteopathic students. Certainly there will be more and more DOs in MD programs!

Not necessarily. As more and more MD programs open and the number ACGME residency slots stays the same, IMG and DO students are going to get shoved out. Certainly there will be more DO's in the work force, though.

Edit: Sorry, I think I misunderstood you. Please ignore my post as a response to your post.

 

[MaineSam]

the head of dartmouth's medical school is DO...even the prestigious ones recognize the value of the DO perspective...hoo-rah

 

[techko]

the head of dartmouth's medical school is DO.

incorrect info

 

[tkim]

the head of dartmouth's medical school is DO...even the prestigious ones recognize the value of the DO perspective...hoo-rah

http://dms.dartmouth.edu/faculty/fa...rt_order=ASC&exact=0&search_query=osteopathic

 

[munchymanRX]

Is this becoming more common? I looked at the Department of Anesthesiology at a top medical school and two of their faculty members were DO physicians. If you have any specific data or know of more examples, then please list. It seems like the MD/DO disparity in respect is beginning to even out.

The MD/DO disparity is one of numbers, and that's all. Even that is slowly changing as more people become aware of the profession and enroll in osteopathic programs. Average GPA and MCATs across osteo schools are rapidly approaching their allo counterparts, and in another few years, they'll likely be identical.

I'd even go farther to say that whatever stigma exists is largely the AOA's own doing. By maintaining their distinctiveness so vehemently they have, in the past, alienated large swaths of the medical establishment, and any perceived animosity today is largely a result of that.

 

[El Dooderino]

The MD/DO disparity is one of numbers, and that's all. Even that is slowly changing as more people become aware of the profession and enroll in osteopathic programs. Average GPA and MCATs across osteo schools are rapidly approaching their allo counterparts, and in another few years, they'll likely be identical.

I'd even go farther to say that whatever stigma exists is largely the AOA's own doing. By maintaining their distinctiveness so vehemently they have, in the past, alienated large swaths of the medical establishment, and any perceived animosity today is largely a result of that.

well there is certainly no evidence of this. If anything in the coming years I suspect there will be less DO's in MD programs. As the number of graduating MD students rises and ACGME spots stay stagnant DO's and caribs will get pushed out. Of course this will become a huge problem considering there aren't enough osteopathic spots for all the graduating osteopaths

 

[DocEspana]

well there is certainly no evidence of this. If anything in the coming years I suspect there will be less DO's in MD programs. As the number of graduating MD students rises and ACGME spots stay stagnant DO's and caribs will get pushed out. Of course this will become a huge problem considering there aren't enough osteopathic spots for all the graduating osteopaths

You are aware if we just deal with US graduates (so I do have to ignore offshores) the entire osteopathic population can fit into unfilled ACGME spots 4x over without using any AOA residencies. 46% of all ACGME residencies go to non-US MD graduates and the entire osteopathic population is only 11% of the NRMP residency numbers.

No doubt the dual increase in MD and DO students (of which, finally, MD students far outpace DO students) will have an impact. But it is *still* only few percentage points increase in both groups. Its slighly more pressure, but in no way a major impact on the total residencies in the near future. Now if this trend continues for, say, 10 year. Then suddenly you start seeing the numbers finally get tight for US students. My read on it at least.

 

[ToldYouSo]

well there is certainly no evidence of this. If anything in the coming years I suspect there will be less DO's in MD programs. As the number of graduating MD students rises and ACGME spots stay stagnant DO's and caribs will get pushed out. Of course this will become a huge problem considering there aren't enough osteopathic spots for all the graduating osteopaths

Actually there is evidence for this, you just gotta know how to read the data... Panda Bear wrote a wonderful commentary on how the admission's standards of MD and DO really aren't that different:


" Some people believe that it is easier to get into osteopathic medical schools and decide to use them as "back up" schools. This is the conventional wisdom but it's silly if you think about it.
While the objective qualifications of allopathic matriculants (MCAT scores, GPA) are indeed slightly higher on average than their osteopathic counterparts, generally, if you're not qualified for admission to an allopathic medical school you will not get into an osteopathic one either. Sure, the fierce partisans are quick to point out the higher average scores but these are the result of outliers. Like most things, the subjective qualifications distribute themselves normally and it is only at the extremes where the curves don't overlap. For my part, since I was an average applicant (at least by MCAT scores and BPCM GPA), almost half of osteopathic matriculants had better qualifications."

 

[El Dooderino]

You are aware if we just deal with US graduates (so I do have to ignore offshores) the entire osteopathic population can fit into unfilled ACGME spots 4x over without using any AOA residencies. 46% of all ACGME residencies go to non-US MD graduates and the entire osteopathic population is only 11% of the NRMP residency numbers.

No doubt the dual increase in MD and DO students (of which, finally, MD students far outpace DO students) will have an impact. But it is *still* only few percentage points increase in both groups. Its slighly more pressure, but in no way a major impact on the total residencies in the near future. Now if this trend continues for, say, 10 year. Then suddenly you start seeing the numbers finally get tight for US students. My read on it at least.

I'll have to look at the numbers, but a huge number of the ACGME spots are crappy prelim medicine and surgery years which don't lead to anything. Take those out and everything gets much tighter. Nevermind that I say spots will stay stagnant but who knows, if Medicare funding dries up they could even decrease. Osteopath leadership better figure this out, they need to start focusing on creating more spots and improving the quality of the existing ones. This becomes all the more imperative if they deem it necessary to open up all the new schools. Writings already on the wall though, half the posts on this site are DO's trying to get ACGME spots, like rats jumping ship

 

[El Dooderino]

Actually there is evidence for this, you just gotta know how to read the data... Panda Bear wrote a wonderful commentary on how the admission's standards of MD and DO really aren't that different:


" Some people believe that it is easier to get into osteopathic medical schools and decide to use them as “back up” schools. This is the conventional wisdom but it’s silly if you think about it.
While the objective qualifications of allopathic matriculants (MCAT scores, GPA) are indeed slightly higher on average than their osteopathic counterparts, generally, if you’re not qualified for admission to an allopathic medical school you will not get into an osteopathic one either. Sure, the fierce partisans are quick to point out the higher average scores but these are the result of outliers. Like most things, the subjective qualifications distribute themselves normally and it is only at the extremes where the curves don’t overlap. For my part, since I was an average applicant (at least by MCAT scores and BPCM GPA), almost half of osteopathic matriculants had better qualifications."

this is so ridiculous I don't even know what to say

 

[rad0nc]

this is so ridiculous I don't even know what to say

👍 i have nothing against my D.O. brothers, but let's be real.

 

[scrubbedup]

I love how some people specifically come to troll the DO boards without having any interest/input. I wonder if there's a population of bored DO students that do this on MD boards as well...somehow I doubt it's quite so many.

Guess whatever makes you need to do to make yourself feel better...😀

 

[El Dooderino]

I love how some people specifically come to troll the DO boards without having any interest/input. I wonder if there's a population of bored DO students that do this on MD boards as well...somehow I doubt it's quite so many.

Guess whatever makes you need to do to make yourself feel better...😀

Yes, everything is 'trolling'

 

[scrubbedup]

Yes, everything is 'trolling'

👍

 

[willen101383]

I remember the days before I started at a DO school...and how PISSED I would get over the **** pre allos would say. But lets be real here.

It IS easier to get into a DO school. There ARE downsides to going DO. You WONT match to rad onc. You WONT match to an allo derm program. There IS till a DO bias at some acgme residency programs. It will be harder to match at an allo program across the board....okay okay maybe not to PM&R. AOA residencies are more or less crappier than ACGME programs across the board.

In general the DO route IS a bigger PITA. And lets be real real: OMM is a significant part of your training and if you are at a school with a malignant OMM department (like mine) they can make your life a living hell for 2 years. No point in denying any of this stuff. We are all going to be doctors....and the information you learn in either pathway is the exact same...minus OMM of course.

 

[scrubbedup]

It just annoys me when people specifically come to this forum to point out how much better they are based on the degree they are pursuing. (I know, I know, it'll never change).
Not everyone wants to go into derm or rad onc, but, honestly there are many, many MD programs with minimal chances of ever matching into those either. Some people go the DO or IMG route because its their only choice (for whatever reasons) to reach their goal of becoming a physician and guess what, most do. (And whether you're an MD from Harvard or Howard or a DO from "insert any DO school name here" if you're going into the majority of mainstream specialties your program won't matter as much as how well you do on boards and how you apply yourself while you're in school (comes as a shock to some pre-meds, especially younger ones in certain programs). A big part of succeeding is going to a school that 'fits' you best, whether it's MD, DO..whatever.
My DO class's numbers were pretty on par with quite a few MD programs. I applied here because this is where I wanted to go (I'm also a non-trad, I have my reasons) and I KNOW its the right school to help me reach my goal. That's all that matters.
It just amazes me that people take the time to come to this section specifically to call others out because of their choice of program. Luckily this mentality/attitude (in most people) doesn't last too long once they are actually in school/residency/fellowship/workforce.

 

[willen101383]

It just annoys me when people specifically come to this forum to point out how much better they are based on the degree they are pursuing. (I know, I know, it'll never change).
Not everyone wants to go into derm or rad onc, but, honestly there are many, many MD programs with minimal chances of ever matching into those either. Some people go the DO or IMG route because its their only choice (for whatever reasons) to reach their goal of becoming a physician and guess what, most do. (And whether you're an MD from Harvard or Howard or a DO from "insert any DO school name here" if you're going into the majority of mainstream specialties your program won't matter as much as how well you do on boards and how you apply yourself while you're in school (comes as a shock to some pre-meds, especially younger ones in certain programs). A big part of succeeding is going to a school that 'fits' you best, whether it's MD, DO..whatever.
My DO class's numbers were pretty on par with quite a few MD programs. I applied here because this is where I wanted to go (I'm also a non-trad, I have my reasons) and I KNOW its the right school to help me reach my goal. That's all that matters.
It just amazes me that people take the time to come to this section specifically to call others out because of their choice of program. Luckily this mentality/attitude (in most people) doesn't last too long once they are actually in school/residency/fellowship/workforce.

Yeah people can be douchebags for coming over here and making nasty comments about DOs. But theyre premeds.....aka they hold ZERO medical school acceptances and for all they know they will end up at a DO school. But there are just as many pre DO douchebags (I was one of them once) who haver zero med school experience also....yet stand up for the DO degree carte blanche and act like there are no downsides, when there ARE downsides. I didnt apply to any MD programs due to my piss poor undergrad GPA. Even though I fixed this with a really high GPA in a masters I knew no MD program was going to give me the time of day. And if you want to judge me based on some courses I took when I was a child, I dont really want to give you the time of day either (or my secondary fee).
Either way I picked my school based on its regional reputation..and I knew it would get me where I needed to go...fyi we go to the same school. It is a good school but it does have some glaring deficiencies I think you will start to get recognize as you progress through your M1 year.

 

[scrubbedup]

Totally agree, minus the being the pre-DO douchebag bit, hopefully I was not that. And every school has its deficiencies, I'm sure ours does as well and I'm sure I'll start experiencing them soon enough.
We all can't be Penn Med, after all! 😉
PCOM will get me where I want to be and that's all that matters to me. (That is if I ever get off here and get back to H&N material...aaaagh)

 

[willen101383]

Totally agree, minus the being the pre-DO douchebag bit, hopefully I was not that. And every school has its deficiencies, I'm sure ours does as well and I'm sure I'll start experiencing them soon enough.
We all can't be Penn Med, after all! 😉
PCOM will get me where I want to be and that's all that matters to me. (That is if I ever get off here and get back to H&N material...aaaagh)

The rest of the school is great...it mainly has to do with one dept...and its not so much a deficiency as it is complete malignancy. And yeah yeah go study. And wow I cant believe you guys are on H&N already...seems like school just started but you guys are halfway done with SPOM and we are finishing GI tomorrow!

 

[DocEspana]

I'll have to look at the numbers, but a huge number of the ACGME spots are crappy prelim medicine and surgery years which don't lead to anything. Take those out and everything gets much tighter. Nevermind that I say spots will stay stagnant but who knows, if Medicare funding dries up they could even decrease. Osteopath leadership better figure this out, they need to start focusing on creating more spots and improving the quality of the existing ones. This becomes all the more imperative if they deem it necessary to open up all the new schools. Writings already on the wall though, half the posts on this site are DO's trying to get ACGME spots, like rats jumping ship

Just checked the 2011 data, preliminary spots represent 11% of the spots in the acgme. So it changes the stats to being only 3 fold the entire do graduates could fit in (6x the amoint that actually enter currently). Can't speak on quality, but except at ivory towers i doubt there is a difference on where they get in.

EDIT: I should be fair and admit that there are clearly crappy spots out there, but there is a sea of mid level (and more than enough high level) that pretty much treat students by their performance, board score, and recommendations, which are a degree neutral. Avoid the ****ty rotations from every residency track.

 

[Mbeas]

I remember the days before I started at a DO school...and how PISSED I would get over the **** pre allos would say. But lets be real here.

It IS easier to get into a DO school. There ARE downsides to going DO. You WONT match to rad onc. You WONT match to an allo derm program. There IS till a DO bias at some acgme residency programs. It will be harder to match at an allo program across the board....okay okay maybe not to PM&R. AOA residencies are more or less crappier than ACGME programs across the board.

In general the DO route IS a bigger PITA. And lets be real real: OMM is a significant part of your training and if you are at a school with a malignant OMM department (like mine) they can make your life a living hell for 2 years. No point in denying any of this stuff. We are all going to be doctors....and the information you learn in either pathway is the exact same...minus OMM of course.

dude keeps it real 👍

Yet, as someone who knows this, understands this, and (mostly) agrees with this, I am still very excited to go to a DO school and become a physician. Sure, this feeling may change as I am just a pre-DO (douchebag? maybe), but I'm going to hold onto this feeling for now.

 

[ToldYouSo]

Yeah people can be douchebags for coming over here and making nasty comments about DOs. But theyre premeds.....aka they hold ZERO medical school acceptances and for all they know they will end up at a DO school. But there are just as many pre DO douchebags (I was one of them once) who haver zero med school experience also....yet stand up for the DO degree carte blanche and act like there are no downsides, when there ARE downsides. I didnt apply to any MD programs due to my piss poor undergrad GPA. Even though I fixed this with a really high GPA in a masters I knew no MD program was going to give me the time of day. And if you want to judge me based on some courses I took when I was a child, I dont really want to give you the time of day either (or my secondary fee).
Either way I picked my school based on its regional reputation..and I knew it would get me where I needed to go...fyi we go to the same school. It is a good school but it does have some glaring deficiencies I think you will start to get recognize as you progress through your M1 year.

I understand what you're saying, but living in Long Island I'm definitely planning on applying to NYCOM along with the other allopathic schools nearby and in-state. The DO-bias I've seen here has been next to nothing and when you look at NYCOM's match list they do incredibly well; the 2008 match had 3 neurosurg and 3 derm.

 

[willen101383]

I understand what you're saying, but living in Long Island I'm definitely planning on applying to NYCOM along with the other allopathic schools nearby and in-state. The DO-bias I've seen here has been next to nothing and when you look at NYCOM's match list they do incredibly well; the 2008 match had 3 neurosurg and 3 derm.

Did you look at whether these programs are MD or DO programs? In general you can match to most specialties as a DO....but the programs arent going to be as good. There still is a DO bias. It is less in the northeast (I grew up in NY) and in Philly (due to big name programs) but trust me it still exists. There are a few great programs that take DOs...but overall the super competitive residencies/programs wont take DOs. One program that doesnt fit into this is Hopkins..they are fairly DO friendly for certain specialties (namely EM). The realm in which the bias is quickly fading is within hospitals after you finish training. DOs are very well known in the northeast.

 

[willen101383]

http://nucleus.pcom.edu/cps/pcom_content/StdAffairs/Career/DO/Match_List_2011_Philadelphia.pdf

Take a look at our match list for example. Most specialties are represented....but many of those more competitive specialties have matches at AOA programs and not the "ivory tower" type MD programs.

There are a few very impressive outliers on this list however.

 

[DocEspana]

http://nucleus.pcom.edu/cps/pcom_content/StdAffairs/Career/DO/Match_List_2011_Philadelphia.pdf

Take a look at our match list for example. Most specialties are represented....but many of those more competitive specialties have matches at AOA programs and not the "ivory tower" type MD programs.

There are a few very impressive outliers on this list however.

Let's not forget that the sentence you just wrote is true for md schools too. The large majority ay every school (yes. *every*) match to either midlevel programs or ones affiliated with their school. The exception is the few outliers. D.O. grass just have aoa has their home affiliation, lots of midlevel acgme and a few outlines (be it nrmp, aoa, sf, or military)

Obviously what the home affiliates are does matter. But the Sinai's and Columbia's of the world are outlines to everyone with their affiliates.

 

[paolorossifan]

At Columbia we had our ARDS lectures by a Pulmo was DO

 

[scrubbedup]

Let's not forget that the sentence you just wrote is true for md schools too. The large majority ay every school (yes. *every*) match to either midlevel programs or ones affiliated with their school. The exception is the few outliers. D.O. grass just have aoa has their home affiliation, lots of midlevel acgme and a few outlines (be it nrmp, aoa, sf, or military)

Obviously what the home affiliates are does matter. But the Sinai's and Columbia's of the world are outlines to everyone with their affiliates.

In the end, not everyone can be at a Top 10 institution. Just because you're in an MD program doesn't automatically open all the doors for you. The quality of the program plays a big role as well as your own merits.
True, overall as a DO you do have to deal more bs (not the least of which is studying for 2 boards to be competitive in certain programs), but the blanket statement that getting ANY MD is better than ANY DO is far from accurate. And though it will probably hurt some pre-med egos lines are getting blurred more and more.

 

[DocEspana]

In the end, not everyone can be at a Top 10 institution. Just because you're in an MD program doesn't automatically open all the doors for you. The quality of the program plays a big role as well as your own merits.
True, overall as a DO you do have to deal more bs (not the least of which is studying for 2 boards to be competitive in certain programs), but the blanket statement that getting ANY MD is better than ANY DO is far from accurate. And though it will probably hurt some pre-med egos lines are getting blurred more and more.

did I imply that? If so it was an error . I wanted to say that all schools are roughly equal in the residency application process unless you're a top 10

 

[El Dooderino]

did I imply that? If so it was an error . I wanted to say that all schools are roughly equal in the residency application process unless you're a top 10

I still can't tell if you're being serious or not. Aren't the guy that wants to do IM at Sinai even though they've never accepted a DO? How is that equal?