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Hello Everyone,
I know there is a lot of debate and discussion on this topic, but I was wondering if anyone had a list of allopathic residency programs that tend to accept DO students and/or if anyone has personal experience with such programs. Thanks.
 

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Hello Everyone,
I know there is a lot of debate and discussion on this topic, but I was wondering if anyone had a list of allopathic residency programs that tend to accept DO students and/or if anyone has personal experience with such programs. Thanks.

There are a lot out there that are "friendly" or will consider you, but dont fool your self and think that DO-friendly means that you dont need the USMLE. If you are applying for allo-spots I highly reccomend that you take the USMLE.
 
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SUNY Upstate has taken DO's.
Marshfield Clinic in Wisconsin has a few DO's.
University of New Mexico has taken a DO in the past, but he left ot do ophtho
Arrowhead regional in colton CA and UCSF eastbay are allegedly DO friendly.
i've heard that Maricopa in Phoenix takes one DO per year.
UConn has taken a DO prelim before.Umass also.


Whatever you do, take all three parts of USMLE, and try and rotate to the place you want to go if you can. I did FOUR visiting subinternships. kicked my a$$ but it was worth it.
 
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Allo General Surgery matches from PCOM last couple years: UMDNJ, UMASS, Pennsylvania Hospital, Columbia and a bunch more through the armed forces and DO matches
 
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I know that Nassau University Medical Center on Long Island (NY) takes D.O.'s
 

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be wary of this thread. many people match into prelim positions which are not difficult to come by. matching into an allopathic program as a categorical for a DO is difficult but not impossible. many programs in PA are quite DO friendly and regularly match DO's. these are mostly community programs, but they are quite good programs from what I saw.
 

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university of new mexico took a DO for categorical general surgery for next year.

ME!

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Stop showing off. You are one in a billion, trillion, gazillion, bdizillion DOs. You must be goooooooooooood :love: .
 

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be wary of this thread. many people match into prelim positions which are not difficult to come by. matching into an allopathic program as a categorical for a DO is difficult but not impossible. many programs in PA are quite DO friendly and regularly match DO's. these are mostly community programs, but they are quite good programs from what I saw.

So if one were to get a prelim position. How difficult is it to get into a full GS program?
 
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Look, people can tell you all sorts of crap about how this program is DO friendly and that program is not DO friendly. The bottom line is, no program is MD, DO, or FMG friendly. Rather, most are good-applicant friendly. If you want something, work hard, take the USMLEs and do well on them, do Sub-Is at big name places and get some good letters and go for what you want. You may not end up at your first choice, but if you put the tremendous energy into yourself and apply widely, you will get your position. Remember, even though many on this forum claim to be exprets with much experience, NONE on earth can tell you the future or which program will decide what when you apply. Work hard and present yourself well to everyone. Make sure to cast a wide net, don't apply to 30 programs, apply to 150 and once you have your interviews, then decide where you want to interview and who you want to rank.
 

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Stop showing off. You are one in a billion, trillion, gazillion, bdizillion DOs. You must be goooooooooooood :love: .

honestly, i think that a lot of DO's just doubt themselves or their education, presume that there is going to be bias against them. Just apply, you'll never know unlessyou try.
 

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Look, people can tell you all sorts of crap about how this program is DO friendly and that program is not DO friendly. The bottom line is, no program is MD, DO, or FMG friendly. Rather, most are good-applicant friendly. If you want something, work hard, take the USMLEs and do well on them, do Sub-Is at big name places and get some good letters and go for what you want. You may not end up at your first choice, but if you put the tremendous energy into yourself and apply widely, you will get your position. Remember, even though many on this forum claim to be exprets with much experience, NONE on earth can tell you the future or which program will decide what when you apply. Work hard and present yourself well to everyone. Make sure to cast a wide net, don't apply to 30 programs, apply to 150 and once you have your interviews, then decide where you want to interview and who you want to rank.

well said, goooober
 

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honestly, i think that a lot of DO's just doubt themselves or their education, presume that there is going to be bias against them. Just apply, you'll never know unlessyou try.

Hey Raj, of course you know I am completely kidding with you. Even though I don't know you, I am very happy for you and glad you are setting an awesome example. I do agree that most DOs listen too easily to others when it comes to how they will compete. I myself had applied to general surgery categorical this year and almost everyone, especially on this forum, told me how I did not have a chance. But I didn't give an ounce of CRAP what they had to say. Instead, I ended up matching at my first choice at a major university program for a categorical position. Good luck in New Mexico. They have a great surg program.
 

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Hey Raj, of course you know I am completely kidding with you. Even though I don't know you, I am very happy for you and glad you are setting an awesome example. I do agree that most DOs listen too easily to others when it comes to how they will compete. I myself had applied to general surgery categorical this year and almost everyone, especially on this forum, told me how I did not have a chance. But I didn't give an ounce of CRAP what they had to say. Instead, I ended up matching at my first choice at a major university program for a categorical position. Good luck in New Mexico. They have a great surg program.

Congratulations to you too, gooooober. that's what we have to do--set an example and disprove all the "they'll never take a DO in surgery" hype.
 

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Keep in mind it was stated "last couple of years" and the post was in 2007. So, for all we know it was a misjudgement on the poster's part of what the "last couple of years" was and could be outside of the last 5 or just a prelim spot or whatever else.

In general, I've become very skeptical of the match lists I've seen from DO schools. The more you look over these lists or talk to people you meet along the interview trail you realize that the people that report to their school or classmates that they matched at Columbia, for example, actually matched at an affiliate program. Clearly there is a big difference between matching into a categorical spot at Columbia-Presbyterian and a preliminary spot at one of their affiliates. Though I do have to acknowledge the few that match into strong programs, like the guy at Penn, definitely impressive - but this is definitely not the rule.

It has been my experience on the interview trail that there is still a good bit of DO discrimination out there. I was told by one interviewer that "I should rank a lot of programs" because I was a DO. Though I was going to do this anyway, I felt insulted by the remark and left with a very unfavorable impression of the program because of it. I've also heard the line "being a DO shouldn't be an issue anymore" and "not to worry." But do I? Absolutely. But I must say that going into the match I have done everything possible to make myself a desirable candidate - strong grades, boards, letters, interviews, and so with that I am confident I will do well in the match and if I don't, well, I will definitely know why...
 

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That's true-- since Stamford Hospital in CT, Harlem, Morristown and St Lukes/Roosevelt are all clinical affiliates, they often get called 'Columbia residencies.' Stamford's program is actually listed as "Stamford Hospital-Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons." It's much like New York Hospital-Queens. I have seen match lists proclaim their grads went to "Columbia" and "Cornell" when they in fact matched at those two instead.

I don't want to belabor the point, but unfortunately Columbia surgery has not taken a DO for at least as many classes as I am acquainted with (2001-2013).
 

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It has been my experience on the interview trail that there is still a good bit of DO discrimination out there. I was told by one interviewer that "I should rank a lot of programs" because I was a DO. Though I was going to do this anyway, I felt insulted by the remark and left with a very unfavorable impression of the program because of it. I've also heard the line "being a DO shouldn't be an issue anymore" and "not to worry." But do I? Absolutely. But I must say that going into the match I have done everything possible to make myself a desirable candidate - strong grades, boards, letters, interviews, and so with that I am confident I will do well in the match and if I don't, well, I will definitely know why...

In my experience I haven't noticed much DO discrimination in the allo interview trail. One particular program director and myself were talking about this, though I have no idea how we got on the topic, and she told me that looking over my strictly average gen. surgery stats that I shouldn't worry about making a larger than usual match list.
 

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In my experience I haven't noticed much DO discrimination in the allo interview trail. One particular program director and myself were talking about this, though I have no idea how we got on the topic, and she told me that looking over my strictly average gen. surgery stats that I shouldn't worry about making a larger than usual match list.

Bill,

I wouldn't put much stock into what an interviewer tells you. Only leave a program off of your rank list if you would rather go unmatched than match there.

The fact is, there is a bias against DO applicants to a degree. Even though there are probably only a handful of elite (elitist?) programs that would not consider a DO applicant at all, there are always a few conservative/uninformed attendings sitting in on the rank meeting whom will fixate on things like DO degree, caliber of undergrad institution, or much less germane details of an applicant.

Overall though, I think that if you are a good applicant, you will get serious consideration from somewhere. As a DO though especially, you should definitely rank every program you interview at, unless you'd rather go unmatched.

Good luck in the match.
 

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Bill,

I wouldn't put much stock into what an interviewer tells you. Only leave a program off of your rank list if you would rather go unmatched than match there.

The fact is, there is a bias against DO applicants to a degree. Even though there are probably only a handful of elite (elitist?) programs that would not consider a DO applicant at all, there are always a few conservative/uninformed attendings sitting in on the rank meeting whom will fixate on things like DO degree, caliber of undergrad institution, or much less germane details of an applicant.

Overall though, I think that if you are a good applicant, you will get serious consideration from somewhere. As a DO though especially, you should definitely rank every program you interview at, unless you'd rather go unmatched.

Good luck in the match.

This is true, and I followed your advice and not hers. I ranked 16.
 

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ayone else know of some programs that are open to taking DOs. I have tried looking through many websites but there are thousands of them and a lot of them dont have a list of current/past residents.
 

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ayone else know of some programs that are open to taking DOs. I have tried looking through many websites but there are thousands of them and a lot of them dont have a list of current/past residents.

Apply and find out!
 
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