DO = holistic, eastern medicine. Embrace it.

[TexasTriathlete]

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So I'm training a client tonight, and I mention that I can't meet with her at our normal time next week because I have a med school interview. So this is how it went...

Her: congratulationd. What school?

Me: its LECOM-bradenton. They're a DO school in Florida.

Her: do you want to go to a DO school? That's like holistic, eastern medicine, right?

Me: medical education in this country is standardized by law. DO's and MD's receive the same training. There is even a school where they have both a DO and an MD program, and the students take all their classes together.

Her: really? What school is that?

Me: michigan state

Her: I went to michigan state!

Me: I know.

So from now on, when I am asked if DO's practice "holistic, eastern medicine", I am going to say "yes. We train in the healing arts of the ninja"

I urge you all to do the same.

And on the flip-side, there are a lot of people out there who prefer DO's because they "prefer the more holistic, eastern approach"

 

[rajaholick]

i totally went to michigan state
its a school of nearly 50K
i'm willing to bet only about 10% knows that there is a DO school there

 

[SmallTownEMT]

When I told people that I was applying to DO schools many assumed that I would be learning acupuncture at some point. They also thought I was going to be a chiropractor. This was after I explained how DOs get the same training as MDs!

Good luck with the interview next week.

 

[Meatwad]

Keep fighting the good fight, guys. But until the powers that be (The Man) give some major publicity to DOs, they will continue to be snaker charmers and voodoo with doctors to lots of people.

 

[sexyman]

OK im going to look like an idiot but I can't take it anymore....

Meatwad- what is this Princeton University College of Medicine you speak of?

 

[Meatwad]

OK im going to look like an idiot but I can't take it anymore....

Meatwad- what is this Princeton University College of Medicine you speak of?

That's like asking someone if the moon truly is made of green cheese.

PM Dalenoff.... he's a year ahead of me.

 

[Toohotinvegas33]

OK im going to look like an idiot but I can't take it anymore....

Meatwad- what is this Princeton University College of Medicine you speak of?

You havent heard of Princeton University Meatwad school of medicine?

Maybe knew the previous name Billy S**crime SOM

 

[Meatwad]

You havent heard of Princeton University Meatwad school of medicine?

Maybe knew the previous name Billy S**crime SOM

I can't believe you passed up the full-scholarship Dean Mengele offerred you, dude.... to each his own!

 

[theserbatron]

So from now on, when I am asked if DO's practice "holistic, eastern medicine", I am going to say "yes. We train in the healing arts of the ninja"

I urge you all to do the same.

will do. ninja star accupuncture?

 

[LauraDO]

Well, I can understand the confusion AT Stills is a very oriental sounding name

 

[Tanner82]

Keep fighting the good fight, guys. But until the powers that be (The Man) give some major publicity to DOs, they will continue to be snaker charmers and voodoo with doctors to lots of people.

Sadly, I think that more people would be exposed to the DO designation if a character on House or Grey's Anatomy were a DO. The public is very removed from the real medical community and the way things work.

 

[TechnoViking]

Sadly, I think that more people would be exposed to the DO designation if a character on House or Grey's Anatomy were a DO. The public is very removed from the real medical community and the way things work.

Sadly, I think you are right. But I was thinking that the other night while watching. I actually think it would be great. The AOA should do some lobbying at ABC.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

Isn't House handicapped? I don't think he would have the agility to do the yoga and martial arts required for osteopathic medicine.

 

[Meatwad]

I think a cheesy TV show would probably do more harm than good. Since it's a little known degree (in comparison), that character would represent the whole profession. All his/her flaws would be associated with everyone who holds the DO degree. Imagine if House was a DO; then people would subconciously associate all of House's flaws, which are numerous, with the training he received and the type of people attracted to that type of schooling. "Only arrogant and uncaring people go to DO schools... he sure is fun to watch, but I'd never go to an office of a guy like that!"

Yeah, it may be a stretch, but I never underestimate the natural tendency towards complete ignorance in the human race.

 

[JaggerPlate]

They should make a show about a man who is a DO by day, and fights crime by night ... I'd watch that show👍

 

[Meatwad]

They should make a show about a man who is a DO by day, and fights crime by night ... I'd watch that show👍

Now that's a sensible idea.

The only really famous DO that's always on TV (or at least was) is the resident who was trying to unload Hydroxycut. He was jacked and ripped as all hell, though, so he does give a good name for male DOs.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

All DO's are in shape because of the yoga and martial arts.

I'd like to see a show about DO's that is more like nip-tuck. I have never seen a full episode, but as far as I can tell, they get it on with a lot of hot chicks.

 

[Meatwad]

All DO's are in shape because of the yoga and martial arts.

That's true, in addition to the fact they barely have to study anything, except an anatomy coloring book and BrainQuest Grade 7 biology flash cards. Leaves plenty of time to hit the gym.

[I sense this thread will be moved to the Lounge/closed in the near future.]

 

[becool5]

Perhaps DO applicants should create a unified "Elevator Speech"

 

[Dienekes]

Dean Mengele

I thought he left and went to found a school in Argentina?

 

[Dienekes]

So from now on, when I am asked if DO's practice "holistic, eastern medicine", I am going to say "yes. We train in the healing arts of the ninja"

This is my new favorite quip on this matter.

 

[WantsThisBad]

How about a show on the Discovery Health Channel about REAL D.O.'s? People would get to see them doing the same thing M.D.'s do and then they might finally get it?

 

[TexasTriathlete]

But DO's don't do the same things MD's do. They teach yoga and burn insence.

 

[ocwaveoc]

Well, I can understand the confusion AT Stills is a very oriental sounding name

very "oriental"?
When I read this, I figured this person lived in the South. Upon checking out the MDapplicant page, indeed...state of TN.
If I go to LMU-DCOM, is this what I'll deal with? I'm Asian by the way.

I'm not insulted by the word "oriental". "Asian" or "oriental", doesn't matter. But the general consensus in the US is that the word "oriental" is a bit archaic and that may be offensive. So, most people aware/sensitive to racial issues use the word "Asian" instead. The fact that this person lives in TN lets me know that perhaps the people of TN are not as sensitive to the racial issues. Hmm...another thing to think about when choosing schools. I do have an interview in December at LMU.

 

[RockfordWF]

they probably got D.O. confused with D.O.M. (doctor of oriental medicine)

 

[TexasTriathlete]

very "oriental"?
When I read this, I figured this person lived in the South. Upon checking out the MDapplicant page, indeed...state of TN.
If I go to LMU-DCOM, is this what I'll deal with? I'm Asian by the way.

I'm not insulted by the word "oriental". "Asian" or "oriental", doesn't matter. But the general consensus in the US is that the word "oriental" is a bit archaic and that may be offensive. So, most people aware/sensitive to racial issues use the word "Asian" instead. The fact that this person lives in TN lets me know that perhaps the people of TN are not as sensitive to the racial issues. Hmm...another thing to think about when choosing schools. I do have an interview in December at LMU.

Seriously, that is absolutely ******ed. No, "oriental" is not the generally-accepted nomenclature, but just because someone doesn't know that does not mean that they are somehow racially predjudiced against Asian people.

I had never heard anything but "oriental" until I got to college, and half my friends were suddenly oriental... er... Asian. I was told that they preferred "Asian", and that was it. I also learned the difference between "Persian" and "Arab". None of them ever called me a racist, because that is something completely different.

Your stereotyping people from TN, and the south, in general, is a far stronger display of bigotry than someone who says "oriental" instead of "Asian", simply because they don't know any better.

 

[Nasem]

I highlighted the part that CRACKED me up

So I'm training a client tonight, and I mention that I can't meet with her at our normal time next week because I have a med school interview. So this is how it went...

Her: congratulationd. What school?

Me: its LECOM-bradenton. They're a DO school in Florida.

Her: do you want to go to a DO school? That's like holistic, eastern medicine, right?

Me: medical education in this country is standardized by law. DO's and MD's receive the same training. There is even a school where they have both a DO and an MD program, and the students take all their classes together.

Her: really? What school is that?

Me: michigan state

Her: I went to michigan state!

Me: I know.

So from now on, when I am asked if DO's practice "holistic, eastern medicine", I am going to say "yes. We train in the healing arts of the ninja"

I urge you all to do the same.

And on the flip-side, there are a lot of people out there who prefer DO's because they "prefer the more holistic, eastern approach"

 

[ocwaveoc]

Seriously, that is absolutely ******ed. No, "oriental" is not the generally-accepted nomenclature, but just because someone doesn't know that does not mean that they are somehow racially predjudiced against Asian people.

I had never heard anything but "oriental" until I got to college, and half my friends were suddenly oriental... er... Asian. I was told that they preferred "Asian", and that was it. I also learned the difference between "Persian" and "Arab". None of them ever called me a racist, because that is something completely different.

Your stereotyping people from TN, and the south, in general, is a far stronger display of bigotry than someone who says "oriental" instead of "Asian", simply because they don't know any better.

My so called "bigotry" is a reaction to the behaviors displayed by the majority towards the minority in this country. Human beings in general are afraid of the unknown. We don't like it until we understand it. It is human nature and no matter how much you try to say "logical people would not dislike others based on skin color alone", biology is biology. The deeper South you go where less racial minorities exist (or any other place) the higher likelihood that racism is displayed. Just take a look at the Virginia Tech shootings. A Korean student in Alabama got beaten up for this. And this student wasn't related to the shooter whatsoever. Hundreds of Korean foreign exchange students went back to Korea in fear of retaliation from the whites. This is how fragile the racial harmony in this country is. During WWII, Japanese Americans were thrown into camps without due trial. If Ireland attacked Pearl Harbor, do you think they'd put Irish people into camps? So, when I react this way to someone unaware of what other races are like, you need to understand where such reaction comes from. You personally may have good relationships with other races. I have many friends of different races, including whites. But, the fact remains the less one is exposed to (as it is the case more so in the South), the less familiar one is of that race and have discomfort towards that race.....often manifesting in negative manner. So, when I hear someone say "oriental", I immediately think that he/she wasn't exposed to other cultures. Thus can't be aware of such things....but there is a higher likelihood of inherent negative feelings towards racial minorities.

 

[PT2MD]

My so called "bigotry" is a reaction to the behaviors displayed by the majority towards the minority in this country. Human beings in general are afraid of the unknown. We don't like it until we understand it. It is human nature and no matter how much you try to say "logical people would not dislike others based on skin color alone", biology is biology. The deeper South you go where less racial minorities exist (or any other place) the higher likelihood that racism is displayed. Just take a look at the Virginia Tech shootings. A Korean student in Alabama got beaten up for this. And this student wasn't related to the shooter whatsoever. Hundreds of Korean foreign exchange students went back to Korea in fear of retaliation from the whites. This is how fragile the racial harmony in this country is. During WWII, Japanese Americans were thrown into camps without due trial. If Ireland attacked Pearl Harbor, do you think they'd put Irish people into camps? So, when I react this way to someone unaware of what other races are like, you need to understand where such reaction comes from. You personally may have good relationships with other races. I have many friends of different races, including whites. But, the fact remains the less one is exposed to (as it is the case more so in the South), the less familiar one is of that race and have discomfort towards that race.....often manifesting in negative manner. So, when I hear someone say "oriental", I immediately think that he/she wasn't exposed to other cultures. Thus can't be aware of such things....but there is a higher likelihood of inherent negative feelings towards racial minorities.

You have a lot to learn about life my friend.

 

[ocwaveoc]

You have a lot to learn about life my friend.

I would like to learn.....would you tell me? I'm not being sarcastic.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

You just can't judge people on a whim like that, and you also can't judge an entire culture based on what you know about one individual. You just have to be a little more open-minded. Otherwise, you are going to come across as a bigot and a jackass.

And another thing... You have to be color-blind as a doctor. What if you have a patient from TN at some point? Or what if one of your attendings during rotations is from TN, and you go into the rotation acting like a jerk because you think he is going to be a racist? There is no room for that kind of attitude in a field where people's lives are on the line.

 

[PT2MD]

I'm not sure I'm the one to teach you. As you grow up, get married, spend time in the workforce, pay taxes, treat patients, interact with other professionals, basically live life, you just stop making sweeping generalizations if you are paying attention to what's going on around you. It just seems you are comfortable making generalizations about "the majority" in this country and "the south" that are unfounded in reality for most areas. Notice I didn't say all areas - I'm not ignorant.

Unless you can say without equivocation, you possess none of the qualities of those you resent, you run the risk of looking like a hypocrite. I'm sure you're a nice person, but your statements sound about as ignorant as some of the folks you claim to know so well.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

As you grow up, get married, spend time in the workforce, pay taxes, treat patients, interact with other professionals, basically live life, you just stop making sweeping generalizations if you are paying attention to what's going on around you.

The problem is, if you are so rooted in your preconceceptions that you don't pay attention, then you will just start to see the things that reinforce your beliefs, and nothing else.

 

[Meatwad]

very "oriental"?
When I read this, I figured this person lived in the South. Upon checking out the MDapplicant page, indeed...state of TN.
If I go to LMU-DCOM, is this what I'll deal with? I'm Asian by the way.

I'm not insulted by the word "oriental". "Asian" or "oriental", doesn't matter. But the general consensus in the US is that the word "oriental" is a bit archaic and that may be offensive. So, most people aware/sensitive to racial issues use the word "Asian" instead. The fact that this person lives in TN lets me know that perhaps the people of TN are not as sensitive to the racial issues. Hmm...another thing to think about when choosing schools. I do have an interview in December at LMU.

It's called Oriental Medicine, so the joke would logically include the word oriental. I'm from New York, not the South, and I've never met anyone under age 75 who says "oriental," to refer to an Asian. It is still called Oriental Medicine by the vast majority of people, though. The person you quoted was making a joke about AT Still's name being very non-Asian. It wouldn't have been funny if htey said "AT Still is a very Asian sounding name," since we don't call it "Asian medicine"

It'd actually be more insulting to call all that traditional medicine "Asian," vs "Oriental," I think. That implies Asians only practice this pseudoscience form of medicine, as opposed to modern medicine. At least by using an old-fashioned word like Oriental, it is built into the phrase that we are discussing an old-fashioned type of medicine, and not the innovative and modern medicine practice throughout Asia.

 

[bioteach]

It's called Oriental Medicine, so the joke would logically include the word oriental. I'm from New York, not the South, and I've never met anyone under age 75 who says "oriental," to refer to an Asian. It is still called Oriental Medicine by the vast majority of people, though. The person you quoted was making a joke about AT Still's name being very non-Asian. It wouldn't have been funny if htey said "AT Still is a very Asian sounding name," since we don't call it "Asian medicine"

It'd actually be more insulting to call all that traditional medicine "Asian," vs "Oriental," I think. That implies Asians only practice this pseudoscience form of medicine, as opposed to modern medicine. At least by using an old-fashioned word like Oriental, it is built into the phrase that we are discussing an old-fashioned type of medicine, and not the innovative and modern medicine practice throughout Asia.

👍👍👍

 

[DrMidlife]

Also, if you're over 75, and maybe British, you use the word "Oriental" to refer to the east (relative to the UK) and "Occidental" to refer to the west (meaning your British self and your presumably white buddies).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occidental
in usage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Madre_Occidental

Using the word "Asian" instead of "Oriental" is a nice gesture that removes the Euro-centric locationality, but I think people still use "Asian" to mean "everything that came from east of Turkey or so, west of Hawaii or so" thus it's not much of a change beyond admitting the world is round.

 

[SugarBuster]

When sharing the news of my DO acceptance with a patient today, she asked, "Will you study herbs?"

Time to start embracing all the roles the DO degree supposedly encompasses ... herbalist, acupuncturist, holistic healer ... Oh well, as long as "healer" is in there somewhere, I guess it's a step in the right direction.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

I'm going to DO school because I want to be a yoga teacher. I'm going to go watch a bunch of Steven Seagal movies now and start acting like him.

 

[DrMidlife]

I get to make my eyes go white like Halle Berry in Xmen when I use my powers, right?

 

[scpod]

...she asked, "Will you study herbs?"...

It might sound a little funny, but if you want to be a "good" doctor today the answer would be, "Yes!!!" Why? Because you'd better believe your patients are already taking them. The herb, vitamin and supplement business is so big today that you have to be an expert in order to treat your patient.

Every patient you see knows someone who went to the doctor for a "skin rash" and ended up dying. Likewize, every patients knows someone who was told they would die in 6 months by their doctor, yet the power of herbs, prayer, vitamins or sheer willpower saved them. Trust in doctors is at an alltime low. Trust in 2AM infomercials has never been greater. You must know the "enemy" in order to defeat him.

 

[SugarBuster]

I very much agree with the importance of being clued in to the "supplement" industry ... I just wasn't thrilled that it was the first thing that came up when I mentioned osteopathic medicine.

The doctor I used to work for (an old-school MD) was actually a proponent of the benefits of omega 3 and 6 fatty acids, as well as milk thistle for liver support. His practice included a lot of elderly patients, and he taught me the importance of paying attention to their nutrition. He also gave B12 injections to his patients on a regular basis. I am definitely interested in the benefits and risks of herbs and other supplements ... you're right, it is something no doctor should ignore.

 

[JaggerPlate]

I very much agree with the importance of being clued in to the "supplement" industry ... I just wasn't thrilled that it was the first thing that came up when I mentioned osteopathic medicine.

The doctor I used to work for (an old-school MD) was actually a proponent of the benefits of omega 3 and 6 fatty acids, as well as milk thistle for liver support. His practice included a lot of elderly patients, and he taught me the importance of paying attention to their nutrition. He also gave B12 injections to his patients on a regular basis. I am definitely interested in the benefits and risks of herbs and other supplements ... you're right, it is something no doctor should ignore.

Doctor ... don't you mean osteopath??? A HAR HAR HAR ....



100% joking too ... just incase anyone was unsure!!!

 

[Dienekes]

The deeper South you go where less racial minorities exist (or any other place) the higher likelihood that racism is displayed.

You've obviously never been to the South. Oh, and by the way, the word you should have used is fewer, not less.

 

[highballa33]

delete

 

[Meatwad]

You're obviously White AND ignorant, and haven't been on the other end of the line to experience what people here are talking about. I've lived in two Southern states and have experienced plenty of overt racism, towards myself and my family.

Guess what happened after moving to New York City? All of a sudden, everyone is tolerant, welcoming, wealthy, more educated, and the diversity of the people here is unrivaled. Haven't experienced anything negative since moving here. It's pretty pathetic that much of the South remains ignorant till this day. Those people aren't important in this world anyway, so I guess it isn't too big of a deal.

Please. I've lived in New York 21+ years, and I've seen plenty of racism. I've never lived in the South, so I have it nothing to compare with, but just because you've never been discriminated against openly yet means nothing. There's constantly stories in Newsday about some groups of teenagers in Queens somewhere beating up a couple of Asian or black kids. Apparently there is a disturbing trend lately here with people hanging nooses in certain areas.

There's still a lot of racism going on in the city. Why do you think some neighborhoods are overwhelmingly one race/ethnicity or the other? It pains me to say it, but we New Yorkers as a whole aren't much more tolerant than any others. We're just afraid to dscriminate openly. So what does that make us in comparison to southerners, just as racist but also more cowardly because we don't have the guts to at least let people know our prejudice.

And also, lots of people get hassled in the south for being different, regardless of race. I get treated a little differently because apparently I have some horrible Lawn Guyland accent. My uncle moved down to NC and was given a speeding ticket for going 31 in a 30 zone. He had NY license plates at the time.

With that said, there's tons of racists up here, and tons down south. That's America at this juncture in time, and I believe it will stay like that for a long while. Some people treated me poorly in the South, but 99% of the people were more polite and helpful than they are up here. And about 70% slower with the service

 

[PT2MD]

You're obviously White AND ignorant, and haven't been on the other end of the line to experience what people here are talking about. I've lived in two Southern states and have experienced plenty of overt racism, towards myself and my family.

Guess what happened after moving to New York City? All of a sudden, everyone is tolerant, welcoming, wealthy, more educated, and the diversity of the people here is unrivaled. Haven't experienced anything negative since moving here. It's pretty pathetic that much of the South remains ignorant till this day. Those people aren't important in this world anyway, so I guess it isn't too big of a deal.

Don't stop posting...ever. The humor will help me through the admission process. Enjoy utopia.

 

[PT2MD]

You're obviously White AND ignorant

Wow...you sound like a very tolerant individual yourself. I wonder how you might respond to a similar post directed toward your ethnicity's intellectual ability. Unless I miss my guess it would be something along the lines of - not well.

There are ignorant people of all colors just about anywhere you look for it. You just have to decide if you want to spend your energy looking for it, or having a life.

 

[Doc11Hopeful]

It's pretty pathetic that much of the South remains ignorant till this day. Those people aren't important in this world anyway, so I guess it isn't too big of a deal.

Really good attitude for a future doctor. You're going to run into people that have awful views all the time. The point is to practice tolerance and treat patients to the best of your ability. If you don't learn this in medical school, God help anyone from the South that comes to you for treatment.

 

[Dienekes]

You're obviously White AND ignorant, and haven't been on the other end of the line to experience what people here are talking about. I've lived in two Southern states and have experienced plenty of overt racism, towards myself and my family.

Guess what happened after moving to New York City? All of a sudden, everyone is tolerant, welcoming, wealthy, more educated, and the diversity of the people here is unrivaled. Haven't experienced anything negative since moving here. It's pretty pathetic that much of the South remains ignorant till this day. Those people aren't important in this world anyway, so I guess it isn't too big of a deal.

I didn't say there was not racism. I said that there was no shortage of non-white people in the south.

 

[Dienekes]

Really good attitude for a future doctor.

I don't know whom I would enjoy smacking more.....a painfully idealistic premed or someone who thinks that every time a minority doesn't get their way that it's racism.