Excuse me, if you wanted to clarify where the information comes from, you can ask. Just because your username is in boldface, you don't have to knock down everything with authority. Part of the problem I've previously discussed about the medical field (and it exists in this forum) is that half of the information and advice is opinion presented as fact, and then 25% is just outright lies either due to lack of knowledge, or due the want of keeping people out of the field and due to jaded views due to unfulfilled expectations.
The first-hand info I have to deal with is the fact that my fiancee is a physician. Perhaps it should have been homed in on in my above posts.
When the HR departments make mistakes, it affects me as well, considering we live together and share finances. When I found out what physicians really make, beyond the lies, it affected me as well. It was a shock to see this is a common practice to "normalize" the physician salary so it's comparable to other countries somewhat.
I have family members that are NYC cab drivers, as well as some that own car services.
Under the table, over the table, the cabbies have the physicians beat. Two people can make $60k a year, but who's the one that's ahead? The one that works eight hour days, or 14 hour days?
It's great you have an optimistic view of the world, and it will probably take you far, or maybe not, as you will continually experience unfulfilled expectations because the world doesn't really work the way you believe it should.
Additionally, as a "donating member" you should actually try and support info, or even try to investigate it a little more when it actually departs from the all too common "Well, this is what I think..." posts. We are here to help others, afterall. Aren't we?
Now I like how the example of the chief was turned around. The fact of the matter was I mentioned that because they are familiar with what a DO is, and they will not hire one due to the many issues that will come up with hiring a DO, from hiring issues to issues that will exist throughout employment, such as explaining to patients what a DO is and reassuring them they are equivalent, and why they didn't become an MD if they are equal. Patients often use this right and will not allow anyone with variations in qualifications, especially those with insurance that allows them to see whoever they choose and institutions legally bound to this request. This will usually create the scenario that the already overworked Chief has to see the patient (and this is the patient's right, actually under many insurances).
I don't think this a member of this site, if he/she wants to maintain legitimacy, should be inserting words, such as above, indicating I asked about "biases". I did not. I asked "Would you hire a DO?". I guess most people here have access to a chief of a department in Germany, so it's ok. I don't need to post that, because I'm sure a pre-med contributing member of a message board in the US can post what they think with authority because boldfaced letters means they automatically know what they're talking about and are qualified to shoot down anything that they think shouldn't be, regardless of the fact that this is how the world (a world they don't even know, in fact) functions.
And yes, it doesn't matter how Germany supposedly accepts this certification. Again, you only have a list on the internet. Why do you think there are so many Will I get in?" threads? They can take you, but they don't want to. Anyone in the US with an MD can apply for a job as well and of course, their license and training is government recognized, but the hiring is not handled by the government. It is handled by local people, and it is their option to hire or not, but they don't have to hire anyone for nearly whatever their reasons are. That is the case here. An applicant can come in, but they don't have to hire, and in this case, they will often not hire. The system allows for little variability, and I'm sure HR, who basically runs everything, will back up not hiring due to their own reasons.
The situation here is already sad enough that physicians are desperately needed and are going elsewhere and the government is doing nothing to reform the system and keep them here. Even under this condition, Germans pick and choose whatever they want, despite the fact that quality of service is reduced and quality of the worklife for the remaining workers is made worse and worse. My reality is that I will be ready to start working towards the end of my 30's. I recently learned that I will not be eligible for the better jobs, and will face massive difficulties getting work here due to the social structure. At my age, I'm supposed to start at a certain salary, and also have a certain number of government-mandated vacations based on my age. Due to this, along with other factors, HR and Chief physicians will elect to not hire me and not fill a hole in employment and wait indefinitely until someone else is more suitable. Why? One reason is it might take 1-2 years, including with legal counsel, to fire someone, so people are afraid to hire in the first place.
This is yet another aspect of the conditions here. The education quality is excellent, however the problem lies with what to do afterward. If they can afford to pick and choose and overlook me for jobs based on age, despite need, then no problem. It's telling of how the system works.