Do not go to south university!!!!!

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fhx06 said:
Caffeine pills?
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Kind of hard to titrate those to the exactly level you need. Hey, I do whip up a mean IVPB caffeine. 😀 There is no rule against IV's during class, so you would be in the clear.
 
BavarianMWE46 said:
I went to the Mercer interview in Oct. I could give you some very valuable information.🙂 Maybe a one on one practice interview? 😀
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You have PM. 😉
 
confettiflyer said:
Attending class does not equal the best use of your time. Our best academic performers from last semester rarely went to class.
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Those are proberly really smart people that never go to class and wait till the last minute to study for an exam or not study at all....and still manage to do well...I am not one of those people unfortunely and I am sure most people are not that fortunate either. 🙄 I have to attend all my classes and study everyday (except on weekends...I usually study from Mondays-Fridays...thats what I did in undergrad.)
 
Passion4Sci said:
No coffee in class?

Oh hell no...
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Well, look on the bright side...that will save me a lot of money! LOL...I use to go to Starbucks everyday in undergrad and it cost me a pretty penny at the end of the year...🙄
 
I know right...we have a coffee stand right outside of the lecture hall. There's more coffee coursing through my veins than actual blood most mornings :laugh:

As for the showing up to class debate...whatever floats your boat. If you need to go to class every day to do well, then do what works. If you can show up only during the exams and do the same, fantastic. I mix it up...I usually go to all my patho classes since I enjoy listening to the "show" while I show up come exam time for molecular biology because, well, I've had it before and can just read notes and know it.
 
I agree with the original poster. South University is a complete waste of money. I graduated from this ****ty program and can attest to the fact that the program did not prepare me for real life. I could go on and on about how terrible the program is, but I will leave you with the following:

(1) The school treats the students like children. They take attendance in classes every hour and they do not let the students eat food in class.

(2) The faculty are *******s who are too arrogant to admit that they are capable of being fallible. Two of the highest ranking faculty members are the biggest *******s and they will kick out those students who dare to challenge the integrity of the material that the faculty has been teaching.

(3) The teachers constantly have double standards. They plagarize repeatedly btu they rebuke students who have items in their papers that may seem similar.

(4) The school only cares about your money. I can honestly say that I was not prepared for the board exams, well at least not by the school. The school claims a 96% pass rate on the NAPLEX, but that's because the school has already self-selected its students (why else would they only base their admissions criteria on PCAT scores and pre-pharm GPAs).

Again, there will be more posts to follow. This is not just from me, but from others as well. I really hope that South loses its accreditation as it is not a legitimate program (especially since they ripped off the program from more established 3 year programs). Save yourself the money and stress and go to another program.
 
What do you expect from a private for-profit corporation owned by EDMC, Education Management Corporation, which is the same parent company for other scam schools such as Argosy Uni and Brown Mackie scam college. It is all just a ring of investors and shareholders getting rich off of the easy availability of student loans, and students willing to take the loans.
 
South's average NAPLEX passing rate has been 91%. Think about it, one out of every ten South pharmacy students have failed their NAPLEX. Thats pretty awful. I agree, stay away.
 
Why did you guys revive this thread? Seriously, if you don't like it, go somewhere else.
 
I think that I have given you enough information for you to make your choice. I'm not sure how I could give you any "facts" since I never said that my opinions were facts. I graduated from this program and all I can say is that I got to where I am (an RPh) because I did it myself. The school did not help me at all. If you don't believe me, ask anyone connected to the South U network what they think and they will say it's true. If you only apply to South U, you are the one screwing yourself over. I would suggest that you go to Midwestern University in Glendale, AZ (South U ripped off their curriculum). It is also a 3 year program. I have never heard anything negative about Midwestern and they have a more established program (which will come in handy especially if you try to do a residency and nobody has ever heard of South U). I can't convince you not to go to South U. I am just forewarning you that you will have a miserable life.
 
Talking about NAPLEX pass rate, which is all that matters for us obviously, I thought I'd do some digging for the benefit of discussion and came up with some numbers:

All 2008

South
77 Candidates with a 93.51% pass rate - 72/77 passed first time

Schools with a lower, or roughly equivalent, pass rate to 93.51% include:
Philadelphia CoP (90%)
Duquesne University (94%)
Florida A&M University (87.59%)
Hampton University (88%)
Long Island University (92.45%)
Mass. CoP Boston (91.45%)
St. John's (89%)
Texas Southern (93%)
University of Louisiana at Monroe (93.33%)
Xavier University (83%)

Food for thought.
 
Passion4Sci said:
Talking about NAPLEX pass rate, which is all that matters for us obviously, I thought I'd do some digging for the benefit of discussion and came up with some numbers:

All 2008

South
77 Candidates with a 93.51% pass rate - 72/77 passed first time

Schools with a lower, or roughly equivalent, pass rate to 93.51% include:
Philadelphia CoP (90%)
Duquesne University (94%)
Florida A&M University (87.59%)
Hampton University (88%)
Long Island University (92.45%)
Mass. CoP Boston (91.45%)
St. John's (89%)
Texas Southern (93%)
University of Louisiana at Monroe (93.33%)
Xavier University (83%)

Food for thought.
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Good call. I was using South's historical average: 91.10%

You forgot University of Puerto Rico: 83.51% Being from PR I could tell you this: The pharmacy profession in PR=terrifying.
 
ret09 said:
Good call. I was using South's historical average: 91.10%

You forgot University of Puerto Rico: 83.51% Being from PR I could tell you this: The pharmacy profession in PR=terrifying.
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I should've added the line: "This is not an inclusive list" because I actually left off a few schools. I felt that list was sufficient to prove my point.

I do wonder if some day, Pharmacy school will be like Med school in that all the folks with 2.8-3.2 GPAs will have to go to the Caribbean for their schooling.
 
Passion4Sci said:
I should've added the line: "This is not an inclusive list" because I actually left off a few schools. I felt that list was sufficient to prove my point.

I do wonder if some day, Pharmacy school will be like Med school in that all the folks with 2.8-3.2 GPAs will have to go to the Caribbean for their schooling.
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With all these diploma mills popping up, they won't need to go to the Caribbean. The fact that you can nowadays get into a reputable pharmacy school with a 2.8 GPA is within itself terrifying.
 
ret09 said:
With all these diploma mills popping up, they won't need to go to the Caribbean. The fact that you can nowadays get into a reputable pharmacy school with a 2.8 GPA is within itself terrifying.
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Oh, no doubt, I totally agree.

I am just musing that some day in the future, Pharmacy school might be as difficult to get into or as prestigious as medical school. I guess that's a pie in the sky fantasy now that I think about it.
 
The only reason South U has high Naplex rates is that the school is self-selecting. They already pick the students who have top PCAT scores and high GPAs. These people are already highly motivated. Also, they have a huge reason to want to study harder and pass the NAPLEX - which is the fact that they will have a ton of loans to pay back since the school charges $9000 per quarter.

SouthU does not prepare its students to pass the NAPLEX. Most of the crap that we learned in class was forgotten by the time we took the test since we had already been on rotations for a year. Most of us were well aware that the APha test prep kit that we used would help us pass the test.

Also, about the plagarism from the faculty - I will definitely try to see what I can do with ACPE and their accreditation. I have saved all of my old lectures and it appears that most of my teachers had plagarized.

If you want to go to South U, that's your problem. I would just make sure that I would get as many opinions from 2nd and 3rd year students and former students before making any decisions.
 
SouthU sucks said:
The only reason South U has high Naplex rates is that the school is self-selecting. They already pick the students who have top PCAT scores and high GPAs. These people are already highly motivated. Also, they have a huge reason to want to study harder and pass the NAPLEX - which is the fact that they will have a ton of loans to pay back since the school charges $9000 per quarter.

SouthU does not prepare its students to pass the NAPLEX. Most of the crap that we learned in class was forgotten by the time we took the test since we had already been on rotations for a year. Most of us were well aware that the APha test prep kit that we used would help us pass the test.

Also, about the plagarism from the faculty - I will definitely try to see what I can do with ACPE and their accreditation. I have saved all of my old lectures and it appears that most of my teachers had plagarized.

If you want to go to South U, that's your problem. I would just make sure that I would get as many opinions from 2nd and 3rd year students and former students before making any decisions.
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So you're upset because a.) the school selected the best students, and b.) you forgot everything while on rotations the final year.

You can't be this stupid. You just can't.
 
You're the stupid one for putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that I'm upset. All I said was that SouthU is not the reason why students pass the NAPLEX. If students really want to prepare themselves for the real world, they should go to another school. I was blown away by the amount of material that SouthU did not teach me.
 
The only reason South U has high Naplex rates is that the school is self-selecting. They already pick the students who have top PCAT scores and high GPAs. These people are already highly motivated. Also, they have a huge reason to want to study harder and pass the NAPLEX - which is the fact that they will have a ton of loans to pay back since the school charges $9000 per quarter.
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You're contradicting yourself. I see many logical flaws in your argument but I'll highly just one and it should be sufficient.

You say,
The only reason South U has high Naplex rates is that the school is self-selecting.
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I have bolded a word that is of special consequence in your premise.

You then say,

Also, they have a huge reason to want to study harder and pass the NAPLEX
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So, which is it? Is the ONLY reason South does well on NAPLEX (Or well enough considering the other cross-section of CoPs in the nation) is that it's self-selecting, or is it that students are scared to fail the NAPLEX and have huge loans because the school is expensive?
 
SouthU sucks said:
You're the stupid one for putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that I'm upset. All I said was that SouthU is not the reason why students pass the NAPLEX. If students really want to prepare themselves for the real world, they should go to another school. I was blown away by the amount of material that SouthU did not teach me.
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Oh, I'm sorry. My mistake. You are absolutely right. I mean, what are those bastards at South University thinking? Only taking students who have shown they can perform academically, and then expecting them to actually take initiative to study for a test on their own? What's going on? Why aren't they taking in scores of students with a 2.9 GPA and a 53% PCAT and spoonfeeding them all the way?

Everybody, I think this guy's right. Stay away from South, it's bad news.
 
This is not a legal argument. Take what you want from these posts. I'm just letting you know that South University is not a pleasant school to be at.
 
Damn you South U! How dare you take a bunch of kids with... "top PCAT scores and high GPAs".
 
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the school is not responsible for the success of the students. The students are responsible for their own success. SouthU does not prepare its students for real world applications of pharmacy.
 
As someone who has already been through pharmacy school, I think that I have a lot more credibility than you.
 
SouthU sucks said:
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the school is not responsible for the success of the students. The students are responsible for their own success. SouthU does not prepare its students for real world applications of pharmacy.
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I'll accept this statement as a premise for your argument.

In doing so, the next logical jump is: What empirical experience do you have with other Pharmacy schools such as Xavier or Philadelphia CoP that would lead you to conclude that they also don't prepare their students for real world applications of pharmacy?

That is to say, perhaps all pharmacy schools are similar in this regard, and South is just another player in the game. You're making two incredible assumptions.

a. Not ALL pharmacy school students are highly motivated.
b. South University pharmacy students are ALL highly motivated.
 
SouthU sucks said:
As someone who has already been through pharmacy school, I think that I have a lot more credibility than you.
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Wow. Now you've even gotten into the "Well I'm a pharmacist so my opinions are more valid" argument. What a friggin cop-out. If your pharmacy skills are as good as your debate skills, and if South is really as bad as you claim it is, then I bet you suck ass as a pharmacist anyway. Seriously. I think I'll start a pool of when you **** up and get your license revoked. Anyone want in?
 
SouthU sucks said:
As someone who has already been through pharmacy school, I think that I have a lot more credibility than you.
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Credibility means nothing on the INTERWEBZ. All you've got is your ability to make arguments and present hypotheses that would be congruent with your obvious acumen in determining that South is an evil, money-grubbing, corporation run school that plagiarizes and doesn't prepare its students for "the real world."

Sadly, when challenged, all you can do is say "WELL THATS MY OPINION AND I DONT WANNA ARGUE NO MO."
 
Pfsh...the "real world". I wish the real world would just stop hasslin' me.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re33gPbnWfo[/YOUTUBE]
 
SouthU sucks said:
I agree with the original poster. South University is a complete waste of money. I graduated from this ****ty program and can attest to the fact that the program did not prepare me for real life. I could go on and on about how terrible the program is, but I will leave you with the following:

(1) The school treats the students like children. They take attendance in classes every hour and they do not let the students eat food in class.

(2) The faculty are *******s who are too arrogant to admit that they are capable of being fallible. Two of the highest ranking faculty members are the biggest *******s and they will kick out those students who dare to challenge the integrity of the material that the faculty has been teaching.

(3) The teachers constantly have double standards. They plagarize repeatedly btu they rebuke students who have items in their papers that may seem similar.

(4) The school only cares about your money. I can honestly say that I was not prepared for the board exams, well at least not by the school. The school claims a 96% pass rate on the NAPLEX, but that's because the school has already self-selected its students (why else would they only base their admissions criteria on PCAT scores and pre-pharm GPAs).

Again, there will be more posts to follow. This is not just from me, but from others as well. I really hope that South loses its accreditation as it is not a legitimate program (especially since they ripped off the program from more established 3 year programs). Save yourself the money and stress and go to another program.
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😱😱😱😱😱
WOW! thanks for sharing! Good think I picked Mercer instead! 😀
 
SouthU sucks said:
This is not a legal argument. Take what you want from these posts. I'm just letting you know that South University is not a pleasant school to be at.
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South is verrrry expensive! At least Mercer offer me a $5000 Dean's scholarship. Does South offer any scholarships at all?
 
Passion4Sci said:
Talking about NAPLEX pass rate, which is all that matters for us obviously, I thought I'd do some digging for the benefit of discussion and came up with some numbers:

All 2008

South
77 Candidates with a 93.51% pass rate - 72/77 passed first time

Schools with a lower, or roughly equivalent, pass rate to 93.51% include:
Philadelphia CoP (90%)
Duquesne University (94%)
Florida A&M University (87.59%)
Hampton University (88%)
Long Island University (92.45%)
Mass. CoP Boston (91.45%)
St. John's (89%)
Texas Southern (93%)
University of Louisiana at Monroe (93.33%)
Xavier University (83%)

Food for thought.
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Cool list! Where did you get it from? whats Mercer's passing rate? Does UCSF have the highest rate?
 
SHC1984 said:
Cool list! Where did you get it from? whats Mercer's passing rate? Does UCSF have the highest rate?
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Mercer 2008: 130 candidates, 99% pass rate. 128/130
Mercer overall since 2004: 682, 94% pass rate. 641/682


UCSF 2008: 130, 97% pass rate. 126/130
UCSF overall since 2004: 641, 99% pass rate or 634/641

So really pretty equal in terms of first-time NAPLEX success! But, of course, UCSF wins because it's in California and only a few short square miles from Neiman Marcus =-)

Oh, source is:
http://www.nabp.net/ftpfiles/bulletins/NaplexSPR.pdf

And the "BEST" award goes to UC San Diego, with a full 100% NAPLEX first-time success. Bear in mind, though, that it's only 76/76, so if you compare it in scope (which is very important), it kinda loses some of its "wowsers" effect.
 
Passion4Sci said:
And the "BEST" award goes to UC San Diego, with a full 100% NAPLEX first-time success. Bear in mind, though, that it's only 76/76, so if you compare it in scope (which is very important), it kinda loses some of its "wowsers" effect.
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Talk about pressure for the next class. Imagine how it would feel to be the one to mess up their perfect record.
 
Check out University of Kentucky. It literally was one person who messed up their perfect record.
 
Passion4Sci said:
Mercer 2008: 130 candidates, 99% pass rate. 128/130
Mercer overall since 2004: 682, 94% pass rate. 641/682


UCSF 2008: 130, 97% pass rate. 126/130
UCSF overall since 2004: 641, 99% pass rate or 634/641

So really pretty equal in terms of first-time NAPLEX success! But, of course, UCSF wins because it's in California and only a few short square miles from Neiman Marcus =-)

Oh, source is:
http://www.nabp.net/ftpfiles/bulletins/NaplexSPR.pdf

And the "BEST" award goes to UC San Diego, with a full 100% NAPLEX first-time success. Bear in mind, though, that it's only 76/76, so if you compare it in scope (which is very important), it kinda loses some of its "wowsers" effect.
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The same for MCPHS-Boston: 246/269 ~ 91.45%
 
Passion4Sci said:
I can't quite imagine sitting for NAPLEX and failing it. How embarassing that's gotta be...
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It must be the same as getting lower than a 75 on the PCAT. The NAPLEX and PCAT are highly correlated with each other.
 
Kirbypuff said:
It must be the same as getting lower than a 75 on the PCAT. The NAPLEX and PCAT are highly correlated with each other.
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Well, I'm glad I have one of them out of the way, and I did well on the PCAT! But I don't know, the NAPLEX just seems so intimidating to me. Maybe because it's so far away...
 
Passion4Sci said:
Well, I'm glad I have one of them out of the way, and I did well on the PCAT! But I don't know, the NAPLEX just seems so intimidating to me. Maybe because it's so far away...
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Well, now you can have more confidence in yourself with regards to the NAPLEX. How can your passion for science fail you? 🙂
 
Kirbypuff said:
Well, now you can have more confidence in yourself with regards to the NAPLEX. How can your passion for science fail you? 🙂
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My overwhelming test anxiety meets my passion... who will win?

At least I don't have to find out for, *checks watch*, about 4 years! Maybe 2012 will consume us all and I'll NEVER need to find out! Yeah!
 
Passion4Sci said:
Well, I'm glad I have one of them out of the way, and I did well on the PCAT! But I don't know, the NAPLEX just seems so intimidating to me. Maybe because it's so far away...
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It seems intimidating most likely because it's all on material that you haven't learned yet. As pharmacy school goes on, and you learn the material that NAPLEX is based on, I'm sure you'll feel more comfortable about it. Don't sweat it, bro-ham.
 
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