DO programs

[cooldreams]

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are all do programs 4 yrs? are those michigan dual md/do programs 3 or 4 yrs? id really like to do a DO program because i would like to be on the AOA council.. and i would also like to end up in michigan... but an extra year (the first one) that is nearly useless to what i want to do would really suck....

that is how they keep the "old ideology" DO ppl in the council, but making them go through this crazy stuff... it is only them who would do it... we need more ppl in there that will get things like this done away with... the 5 states that require the internship year should not require it... and the 4 yr programs should only be 3... the is no reason otherwise... jus cheap labor...

 

[doc0875]

Doctors Hospital in Columbus, Ohio somehow still carries itself on past reputation. It is a place that has definitely had a drastic "fall from grace" in recent years. Many, many students, interns, residents leave Doctors bitter & unhappy at their experience there. The hospital & DME have actually been sued several times. Ask the DME about the lengthy law suit by an ex-ENT track intern. Trust me, look elsewhere for any D.O. training.

*this post was edited by QuinnNSU, Moderator, due to personal information posted*

 

[floweree]

the Jersey programs, or Pontiac Osteopathic???

 

[Midwest Medic]

Another Osteopathic EM residency worth looking at is the one in Grand Rapids, MI....Metropolitan. It is not a trauma center, but you do a few months of trauma wither in Vegas or at the trauma center downtown. That is a weak point I admit....but that is about it. The volume is about 40,000+ and there is only one resident and either an intern or a studnet per shift. So comparing to other MD residencies with much higher volumes, you see as much if not more. There is no Ortho residency here, so you get all the reductions you care to do. There is a medicine and surgery residency here, but you work everything uop, do all the procedures, THEN call surgery/medicine to take care of the patient. The didactics are excellent. So that is the pluses.....the negatives, it is a 4 year program, that has been discussed to death. It is not at a trauma center, BUT you do get plenty of trauma exposure/procedures, so I wouldn't really call that a negative. (Plus when the hospital relocates there is rumors about going to a Level 2 center).
The hospital is relocating sometime in the future (dates keep getting changed, so who knows when...) so you will be working in a brand new ER that the attendings here designed. Anyone feel free to PM me if there are any questions about this, I would be happy to answer any questions.....

 

[Freeeedom!]

My suggestion is that every DO student rotate at an MD and a DO institution prior to the match. Compare the differences...look at the didactics, the pathology, the support staff, the academics, the organizational structure. Look at where they do their rotations, do you need to go a state away for peds, trauma, or any other rotations?
Find out what fits you best...if that is Botsford or Pontiac then go for it, if it is Case Western, U of Chicago, or Louisville...then go that route.

 

[EBKame]

Does anyone know about MD or dually accredited programs in the east coast that are friendly to applicants from the Midwest or FMGs? I just got accepted to OUCOM and received an interview invite to Sackler and ultimately want to practice on the East Coast. Does anyone have advice? Preferences would be Boston or Boston vicinity and NYC.

 

[TomC727]

CCOM program sounds good. I have a few fellow classmates in it. Lots of exposure but you rotate at many hospitals, which require driving. Cook County is one of em.

From what I have heard from the EM program at CCOM and from a number of residents in it that I know, the program is the largest in the state of IL.

This is something I have heard, I don't know if it is true or not.

 

[MasterintuBater]

There have been many examples of D.O.'s getting their internship year "waived" because their PGY1 year at an M.D. institution was well-rounded enough to qualify. Some of the five states are more likely to do this (PA) than others (MI). I have found Michigan to be the strictest in this policy. In fact, most, if not all allopathic EM programs in Michigan will not CONSIDER your application unless you are currently completing a traditional osteopathic internship year. I rotated at Henry Ford in Detroit as a 4th year in their ED and even though I got a lot of warm fuzzy feelings from them, the PD told me not to bother applying until I had that traditional AOA intern year under my belt.
Like others have said, AOA alienates its young, and it has alienated me. I've got 2 more AOA hoops to jump through: the stupid COMLEX PE, and COMLEX III. After that, the AOA will never hear from me again.

 

[bcrosspac]

Like others have said, AOA alienates its young, and it has alienated me.

I couldnt agree with you more. The AOA has told me that it firmly believes that EM training should be 4 years in length despite the fact that most allopathic programs are 3 years.