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scpod said:
Top 5 or bottom five based on what criteria? And why des it matter? If you suck, then you suck no matter what school you go to. If you pass, you become a doctor, no matter what school you go to.
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there...there...there's a squirrel having intercourse with another squirrel in your avatar...


wat.
 
i thought the squirrels were doing OMM 😀
 
MedPR said:
Sex has legitimate benefits, omm doesn't.

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michow87 said:
So, I guess that my list would be as follows (in no particular order):

DMU
CCOM
KCOM
PCOM
MSUCOM
UMDNJ
KCUMB
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This seems to be the general consensus, yeah.
 
I think TCOM is probably the best.
 
toxicwombat said:
This seems to be the general consensus, yeah.
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I would definitely add nsu in there unless everything I know about that school is fictional

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zoner said:
I would definitely add nsu in there unless everything I know about that school is fictional

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No one ever remembers NSU lol which I think is insane.
 
We have students coming in to do audition rotations at our resdency programs all the time. Where they went to school has never been a part of their ranking when it comes time to pick our candidate rank list. It comes up when we ask why they went to school in Califlornia and want to do residency in Florida, or something like that. But which medical school really makes little difference. We have had people from many schools, and there is no universal way to categorize any of the students based on medical schools. There are good ones and bad ones from everywhere. There are hard workers and lazy workers from everywhere. There are peple we get along with and people who clash.

Yes, there may be some programs where it makes a difference, because their are idiots in every profession-- program directors included. But the ability to work hard and get along well with your team is much more important than where you went to med school.
 
cliquesh said:
The only school I've personal heard program directors bad mouth is touro com NY.
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what did s/he say?







scpod said:
We have students coming in to do audition rotations at our resdency programs all the time. Where they went to school has never been a part of their ranking when it comes time to pick our candidate rank list. It comes up when we ask why they went to school in Califlornia and want to do residency in Florida, or something like that. But which medical school really makes little difference. We have had people from many schools, and there is no universal way to categorize any of the students based on medical schools. There are good ones and bad ones from everywhere. There are hard workers and lazy workers from everywhere. There are peple we get along with and people who clash.

Yes, there may be some programs where it makes a difference, because their are idiots in every profession-- program directors included. But the ability to work hard and get along well with your team is much more important than where you went to med school.
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Though the school name might be% irrelevant I am sure the quality of life will probably differ vastly as wll being able to get into school affiliated residency. No?


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TCOM all the way.

School Ranking doesn't matter. Your Step 1 score matters.
 
Does anyone know what (if any) benefit there is for being a student competing for a residency slot at a residency affiliated with their met school? I assume there must be some advantage right even if anyone can compete for the positions?
 
Mbeas said:
wonder why
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She had a few students from that school audition for her program and, apparently, they were "terrible." She matched another student from Touro ny and he was "awful" when he started. He eventual caught up in terms of clinical skills, but from these experiences she is concern that touro Ny's clinical years are no good.

I am sure a similar story can be said about every school, so take it with a grain of salt. Moreover, the resident that matched was either from touro's first or second class, so maybe things have improved or maybe it was just an isolated case.
 
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Mosonik said:
Does anyone know what (if any) benefit there is for being a student competing for a residency slot at a residency affiliated with their met school? I assume there must be some advantage right even if anyone can compete for the positions?
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The advantage is that you presumably have gotten to know more people at the school and have letters from attendings at that school.

Edit: Also you have way more time to demonstrate your ability at your home school than during an away rotation.
 
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cliquesh said:
I am sure a similar story can be said about every school, so take it with a grain of salt. Moreover, the resident that matched was either from touro's first or second class, so maybe things have improved or maybe it was just an isolated case.
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lol just another reason to attend a well established school
 
Mosonik said:
Does anyone know what (if any) benefit there is for being a student competing for a residency slot at a residency affiliated with their met school? I assume there must be some advantage right even if anyone can compete for the positions?
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There is an advantage. It varies from program to program however.
 
zoner said:
Though the school name might be% irrelevant I am sure the quality of life will probably differ vastly as wll being able to get into school affiliated residency. No?
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Going to a school that has affiliated programs might make it easier to match into them, but at this point you have NO idea what you will be matching into or even how good those programs are. What happens if you give everything up to go to a school that has these programs and while you are in 4th year you realize that all of those programs really suck? What advantage did you get then?
 
scpod said:
Going to a school that has affiliated programs might make it easier to match into them, but at this point you have NO idea what you will be matching into or even how good those programs are. What happens if you give everything up to go to a school that has these programs and while you are in 4th year you realize that all of those programs really suck? What advantage did you get then?
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hence its nice if your school has a very diverse affiliated residencies like nsu?

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State schools, CCOM, PCOM, DMU, KCUMB on top. Most other places in the middle. A few at the bottom. If you can go to one of the top schools it is probably worthwhile because your education is a known entity but the reality is that what you do as a student determines where you go post-grad. There will be not-so-good candidates that come out of the top tier of schools. Maybe not as many as from the bottom of the pile schools, but the school itself can't be a determining factor.
 
Ranking medical schools again? Why don't you just refer to the US News rankings considering everyone's personal rankings in this thread are equally as worthless.

This thread is bad, and you all should feel bad.
 
AspiringDO1 said:
Ranking medical schools again? Why don't you just refer to the US News rankings considering everyone's personal rankings in this thread are equally as worthless.

This thread is bad, and you all should feel bad.
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School rank does come into play when applying for residency. However, I'd imagine all DO schools are treated the same when applying for Acgme residencies. I'm not sure about AOA residencies, though.
 
selttiks288 said:
No one ever remembers NSU lol which I think is insane.
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I think it's also funny how western doesn't get mentioned on either end of the spectrum. Must be a middle of the road school, which, means nothing because its my own performance that will determine my success.
 
zoner said:
hence its nice if your school has a very diverse affiliated residencies like nsu?
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The NSU affiliations are really loose compared to some others, and going to school there really doesn't off you that much of an advantage. If you wanted to go to the PCOM surgery residency, though, it would behoove you to go to PCOM because they almost always choose a lot of people from within. But it doesn't matter all that much with most of the NSUCOM ones. Plus, I would never want to match in south Florida because the pay there for residents vs the cost-of-living pretty much sucks. There are a lot more lucrative paying residencies.

I chose my school for some very specific reasons. I went to Lecom Bradenton. When I started there had never been a graduating class, so a lot of people were leary about it. But, they had success with the PBL program in Erie and I was willing to try for a number of reasons. First, the tuition and fees were only 25 grand a year. That's only 4 grand a year more than my two in-state MD schools were and I was willing to pay 4000 more a year to have four days a week that I went to school for just two hours. Both of my in-state schools had lecture from 8 to 5. I wouldn't even consider NSUCOM because the tution was too high and they had hours of lecture every day. I could have just stayed home and gone to one of the MD schools.

I never cared about affiliated residencies because I knew I could get something I liked if I worked hard. I interviewed at 13 places (turned down a few because I was tired of interviewing) got my first choice of residency and ended up being medicine chief resident. I turned down a LOT of offers for attending spots and I signed a contract with a really good hospital and pretty much got everything I wanted in the contract.

I really, honestly don't think it matters much at all which school you choose. You should choose one for your own set of reasons and pick a place where you will be happy. Happy people tend to be more productive. Med school is tough. Three students got divorced during my second year of med school because it can be really hard on families. Residency is no cake walk either. You work longer hours, study harder and longer and have the added pressure of being the person who could responsible for killing a patient based on a few seconds of poor judgment.

In osteopathic medicine there is no Harvard. Just go where you feel happy.
 
scpod said:
The NSU affiliations are really loose compared to some others, and going to school there really doesn't off you that much of an advantage. If you wanted to go to the PCOM surgery residency, though, it would behoove you to go to PCOM because they almost always choose a lot of people from within. But it doesn't matter all that much with most of the NSUCOM ones. Plus, I would never want to match in south Florida because the pay there for residents vs the cost-of-living pretty much sucks. There are a lot more lucrative paying residencies.

I chose my school for some very specific reasons. I went to Lecom Bradenton. When I started there had never been a graduating class, so a lot of people were leary about it. But, they had success with the PBL program in Erie and I was willing to try for a number of reasons. First, the tuition and fees were only 25 grand a year. That's only 4 grand a year more than my two in-state MD schools were and I was willing to pay 4000 more a year to have four days a week that I went to school for just two hours. Both of my in-state schools had lecture from 8 to 5. I wouldn't even consider NSUCOM because the tution was too high and they had hours of lecture every day. I could have just stayed home and gone to one of the MD schools.

I never cared about affiliated residencies because I knew I could get something I liked if I worked hard. I interviewed at 13 places (turned down a few because I was tired of interviewing) got my first choice of residency and ended up being medicine chief resident. I turned down a LOT of offers for attending spots and I signed a contract with a really good hospital and pretty much got everything I wanted in the contract.

I really, honestly don't think it matters much at all which school you choose. You should choose one for your own set of reasons and pick a place where you will be happy. Happy people tend to be more productive. Med school is tough. Three students got divorced during my second year of med school because it can be really hard on families. Residency is no cake walk either. You work longer hours, study harder and longer and have the added pressure of being the person who could responsible for killing a patient based on a few seconds of poor judgment.

In osteopathic medicine there is no Harvard. Just go where you feel happy.
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This is a great, rational post that is actually based on experience. Very rare for SDN :laugh:
Part of what I like some much about osteopathic education is that there are no official rankings or anything so it comes down to work put in during school and performance and that dictates your future.
 
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Schools like Touro NY/CA, KYCOM, VCOM, COMP, ext, just middle of the table schools?
 
Sasha3 said:
Schools like Touro NY/CA, KYCOM, VCOM, COMP, ext, just middle of the table schools?
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I'd say WesternU is scratching at the top tier. KYCOM is certainly in the bottom.
 
I think this whole top-tier bottom-tier thing never ends 😀

as kids we probably thought going to an "elite" high school would make a huge difference in your choices for college...then in college we thought that our alma mater's reputation would significantly impact where we go to medical school...etc.

then we realized after each stage of our lives that it was predominantly grades, SATs, and MCATs that steered our success.

conveniently we then regress to the same mindset when we think about residencies after med school 😀
 
timmaycakes said:
I think this whole top-tier bottom-tier thing never ends 😀

as kids we probably thought going to an "elite" high school would make a huge difference in your choices for college...then in college we thought that our alma mater's reputation would significantly impact where we go to medical school...etc.

then we realized after each stage of our lives that it was predominantly grades, SATs, and MCATs that steered our success.

conveniently we then regress to the same mindset when we think about residencies after med school 😀
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i think we should rank soda-pop next.
 
timmaycakes said:
I think this whole top-tier bottom-tier thing never ends 😀

as kids we probably thought going to an "elite" high school would make a huge difference in your choices for college...then in college we thought that our alma mater's reputation would significantly impact where we go to medical school...etc.

then we realized after each stage of our lives that it was predominantly grades, SATs, and MCATs that steered our success.

conveniently we then regress to the same mindset when we think about residencies after med school 😀
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Except where you do residency actually matters.
 
MedPR said:
Except where you do residency actually matters.
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even then... my bro is like its not about the school, the degree or the residency,,, just get your license and its all about how you practice and run your clinic
 

Nice.
 
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Sasha3 said:
+1

Made me think of this quote, "Are you a real doctor or a doctor as Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

Bonus points for identifying the quote.
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I'm a Dr. Pepper doctor.. and since I'm a doctor, I know more about everything than Dr. Pepper-hating med students. Hah, winner.
 
dudeliness said:
Ok, I like me a root beer every now and then, but here's the real question...what root beer?
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Maybe I need to venture out of my bubble more, but A&W satisfies my taste buds
 
michow87 said:
Maybe I need to venture out of my bubble more, but A&W satisfies my taste buds
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A great choice-so glad you didn't say barq's, which has an aftertaste like toothpaste.



...but I'd have to say IBC (from a glass bottle) is where the root beer game is being played at the highest level.
 
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