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They are only correlated with USMLE Step 1 scores....

Any correlation you find is so small that it is meaningless. Besides, correlation and causation are not the same. Take for instance the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's claim that a decrease in the number of pirates has caused global warming. Now there's a correlation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

 

[scdocusc]

That was my point as well. I mean one can extend by saying that matriculant stats will determine to what kind of residency they can get into. (Matriculant stats --> Board scores --> what kind of residency they can apply into)

This is a basic fallacy. Also, it's a slippery slope argument to say that X will lead to Y. Thus, everything youre saying is non valid. One cannot extend this argument any further.

 

[prionsRbad]

Any correlation you find is so small that it is meaningless. Besides, correlation and causation are not the same. Take for instance the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's claim that a decrease in the number of pirates has caused global warming. Now there's a correlation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

I 😍 you, fellow believer.

 

[stmclovin]

This is a basic fallacy. Also, it's a slippery slope argument to say that X will lead to Y. Thus, everything youre saying is non valid. One cannot extend this argument any further.

IF there is a correlation between stats and board scores, and there is a correlation between board scores and residency placement, this means stats and residency placement is still correlated. It might be hard to prove it statistically, but it makes a lot of sense logically.

 

[DrMom]

Just an anecdote, but in my med school class' experience, there really wasn't a great predictive value from the MCAT to step 1. Lots of people did a lot better than would be expected from their MCAT.

 

[endocardium]

IF there is a correlation between stats and board scores, and there is a correlation between board scores and residency placement, this means stats and residency placement is still correlated. It might be hard to prove it statistically, but it makes a lot of sense logically.

You should take a course in research design and biostatistics... Just because you can find a statistical correlation (which isn't necessarily that difficult to do) doesn't imply that it is a scientifically meaningful correlation, or that it is necessarily statistically significant. Furthermore, correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation. There are lots of things that need to happen in order to show causation, including, but not limited to, the need to control for other factors and to show dose-dependency. It's a good idea to build a good understanding of research principles. As future physicians, we are obligated to teach our patients what is good science and what is bunk, because they are going to come to you with all kinds of crap from the media.

This being the case, I say to your proposal, "so what, if you can find a correlation?" It doesn't mean much to educated populations, unless you can, through a well-designed study, show scientific significance and determine a meaningful relationship.

It's easy to take a bunch of data and make it mean something, to conveniently fit your hypothesis (to meet your ends), but if you want to show something scientifically, you are going to have to be more elaborate than that. And thank goodness for that.

 

[J1515]

There's a nice sized thread going on in the pre allo forum talking about how difficult and stressful the life of a pre-med is. Perhaps if you guys would stop wasting time trying to make arguments of what is more competitive, who has better stats or what residency you want to go into and actually went out for a drink every once in a while, you'd find your lives aren't quite as stressful as you'd like everyone to believe? You guys do it to yourselves.

 

[MaximusD]

You should take a course in research design and biostatistics... Just because you can find a statistical correlation (which isn't necessarily that difficult to do) doesn't imply that it is a scientifically meaningful correlation, or that it is necessarily statistically significant. Furthermore, correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation. There are lots of things that need to happen in order to show causation, including, but not limited to, the need to control for other factors and to show dose-dependency. It's a good idea to build a good understanding of research principles. As future physicians, we are obligated to teach our patients what is good science and what is bunk, because they are going to come to you with all kinds of crap from the media.

This being the case, I say to your proposal, "so what, if you can find a correlation?" It doesn't mean much to educated populations, unless you can, through a well-designed study, show scientific significance and determine a meaningful relationship.

It's easy to take a bunch of data and make it mean something, to conveniently fit your hypothesis (to meet your ends), but if you want to show something scientifically, you are going to have to be more elaborate than that. And thank goodness for that.

👍 well-put. I enjoy your posts, for the most part.

 

[JaggerPlate]

There's a nice sized thread going on in the pre allo forum talking about how difficult and stressful the life of a pre-med is. Perhaps if you guys would stop wasting time trying to make arguments of what is more competitive, who has better stats or what residency you want to go into and actually went out for a drink every once in a while, you'd find your lives aren't quite as stressful as you'd like everyone to believe? You guys do it to yourselves.

👍 pre allo is way worse though ... people are just flexing e penises in here!!

 

[LauraDO]

Any correlation you find is so small that it is meaningless. Besides, correlation and causation are not the same. Take for instance the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's claim that a decrease in the number of pirates has caused global warming. Now there's a correlation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

I heard Al Gore discussing that the other day, so sad what we have done to the pirates and consequently our enviroment. I think they are having a 'save the pirates' benefit concert next summer

 

[MaximusD]

liberal crap... kill the pirates!!

 

[prionsRbad]

liberal crap... kill the pirates!!

Speaking of pirates . . . it's never too early to prepare for the annual "Talk Like a Pirate Day" on September 19th.

http://www.talklikeapirate.com

 

[paramediclizard]

Speaking of pirates . . . it's never too early to prepare for the annual "Talk Like a Pirate Day" on September 19th.

http://www.talklikeapirate.com

AAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH matie

 

[Beau Geste]

I want my MTV.

 

[scdocusc]

custom kitchen, deliver-aaaaaaiiiaaaay!