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I recently learned that a classmate cheated on their application and got in multiple schools. I was definitely naive to think that all future dentists are honest and wanted to know if anyone had stories or knows of someone who cheated and got in. While this is unfair and unethical of course, I am not bitter to have discovered that. Any thoughts or stories?
 
SweetUFtooth said:
I recently learned that a classmate cheated on their application and got in multiple schools. I was definitely naive to think that all future dentists are honest and wanted to know if anyone had stories or knows of someone who cheated and got in. While this is unfair and unethical of course, I am not bitter to have discovered that. Any thoughts or stories?
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I have seen other threads that addressed this. Some examples included people who said they spoke a second language, and when their interviewer started speaking the language, they were caught. Or someone saying that they played the guitar to show manual dexterity, and the D3 at the interview happened to have his guitar with him that day, and asked the applicant to play for them.

Personally, I don't understand why anyone would lie about things on their application... the risks are just too high!
 
New2Philly said:
Can you give particulars about how they cheated?
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The person claimed to have shadowed dentists for a very long time (1000+ hours) since they knew some dentists personally and were able to use their names. The person also claimed to have completed a lot of research hours while they were not really doing the amount of work that goes with these hours. The bad part is that a faculty member, of course, had to assign and approve of these hours.
 
SweetUFtooth said:
I recently learned that a classmate cheated on their application and got in multiple schools. I was definitely naive to think that all future dentists are honest and wanted to know if anyone had stories or knows of someone who cheated and got in. While this is unfair and unethical of course, I am not bitter to have discovered that. Any thoughts or stories?
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This is wrong on so many levels...while all of us bust our butts balancing school and extracurriculars, others get in just as easily by lying. Unfortunately I don't know if there's much that can be done about it unless all schools verified every applicant's EC activities (assuming that's what most people lie about), which would be extremely time-consuming and impractical. It is a shame that these people are going to be doctors like the rest of us hard-working, honest individuals 🙁
 
SweetUFtooth said:
The person claimed to have shadowed dentists for a very long time (1000+ hours) since they knew some dentists personally and were able to use their names. The person also claimed to have completed a lot of research hours while they were not really doing the amount of work that goes with these hours. The bad part is that a faculty member, of course, had to assign and approve of these hours.
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Lol... what dental school wouldn't see the 1000 hours of shadowing as a HUGE red flag!? That's literally half a year 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, doing nothing but following a dentist around his office and watching him work! Someone at the school should have caught that, and he should have been asked about it. In all honesty, your friend doesn't sound like the smartest guy, lying about his shadowing hours, even if he did pull it off. Dental school is going to kick his trash, lol.
 
SweetUFtooth said:
The person claimed to have shadowed dentists for a very long time (1000+ hours) since they knew some dentists personally and were able to use their names. The person also claimed to have completed a lot of research hours while they were not really doing the amount of work that goes with these hours. The bad part is that a faculty member, of course, had to assign and approve of these hours.
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I can't believe the schools bought it. I would think 1000+ hours to look a little suspect.
 
vlct0ria said:
This is wrong on so many levels...while all of us bust our butts balancing school and extracurriculars, others get in just as easily by lying. Unfortunately I don't know if there's much that can be done about it unless all schools verified every applicant's EC activities (assuming that's what most people lie about), which would be extremely time-consuming and impractical. It is a shame that these people are going to be doctors like the rest of us hard-working, honest individuals 🙁
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Some schools follow up on certain aspects of the application with accepted students that have put deposits down (they only really need to check on the students that are going to enroll, so it's not AS time consuming as checking up on everybody). I have heard of students being pulled out of the white coat ceremony when it was discovered that they lied on their application (if you read the small print in your acceptance packet, there should be a statement that says they reserve the right to kick you out of the program if they discover you were intentionally misleading in the application).
 
SuperTank said:
Lol... what dental school wouldn't see the 1000 hours of shadowing as a HUGE red flag!? That's literally half a year 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, doing nothing but following a dentist around his office and watching him work! Someone at the school should have caught that, and he should have been asked about it. In all honestly, your friend doesn't sound like the smartest guy, lying about his shadowing hours, even if he did pull it off. Dental school is going to kick his trash, lol.
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That number looks big but it is still possible if the person was claiming to have done that since freshmen or sophomore year on a regular basis. The person did not have bad stats either, but with inflated numbers he or she are seen as more dedicated.
Anyhow, the take home message is to keep the process as honest as possible. If you can't get in without lying, then you probably won't be able to handle 4 years of DS.
 
SuperTank said:
Some schools follow up on certain aspects of the application with accepted students that have put deposits down (they only really need to check on the students that are going to enroll, so it's not AS time consuming as checking up on everybody). I have heard of students being pulled out of the white coat ceremony when it was discovered that they lied on their application (if you read the small print in your acceptance packet, there should be a statement that says they reserve the right to kick you out of the program if they discover you were intentionally misleading in the application).
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I would love to see that!
 
SuperTank said:
Some schools follow up on certain aspects of the application with accepted students that have put deposits down (they only really need to check on the students that are going to enroll, so it's not AS time consuming as checking up on everybody). I have heard of students being pulled out of the white coat ceremony when it was discovered that they lied on their application (if you read the small print in your acceptance packet, there should be a statement that says they reserve the right to kick you out of the program if they discover you were intentionally misleading in the application).
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imagine how embarrassing that would be...

i can't imagine them trying to get you on your manual dexterity "EC's"

just because i said i can play the guitar doesnt mean im the lead guitarist for metallica...

and try telling me i didn't build dozens of models as a teenager...

adcoms are too picky for some things...

but as far as shadowing goes...if you shadow more than what your school recommends/requires, then you are ignorant (what good are you doing yourself shadowing more than 100-150 hours, honestly?)
 
4X4MD said:
imagine how embarrassing that would be...

i can't imagine them trying to get you on your manual dexterity "EC's"

just because i said i can play the guitar doesnt mean im the lead guitarist for metallica...

and try telling me i didn't build dozens of models as a teenager...

adcoms are too picky for some things...

but as far as shadowing goes...if you shadow more than what your school recommends/requires, then you are ignorant (what good are you doing yourself shadowing more than 100-150 hours, honestly?)
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I agree! In theory, you don't need a whole lot of hours unless you are getting to assist. Otherwise, it is kind of pointless.
 
4X4MD said:
imagine how embarrassing that would be...

i can't imagine them trying to get you on your manual dexterity "EC's"

just because i said i can play the guitar doesnt mean im the lead guitarist for metallica...

and try telling me i didn't build dozens of models as a teenager...

adcoms are too picky for some things...

but as far as shadowing goes...if you shadow more than what your school recommends/requires, then you are ignorant (what good are you doing yourself shadowing more than 100-150 hours, honestly?)
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I want to be a dentist THIS MANY SHADOWING HOURS!!!
 
4X4MD said:
imagine how embarrassing that would be...

i can't imagine them trying to get you on your manual dexterity "EC's"

just because i said i can play the guitar doesnt mean im the lead guitarist for metallica...

and try telling me i didn't build dozens of models as a teenager...

adcoms are too picky for some things...

but as far as shadowing goes...if you shadow more than what your school recommends/requires, then you are ignorant (what good are you doing yourself shadowing more than 100-150 hours, honestly?)
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I am surprised that is seen as a sign of dedication. Unless one were assisting the dentist there is not a lot to learn. I would think dedication would be working as an assistant, or at a non-profit clinic helping out with community outreach and education. 1000+ hrs of shadowing sounds like you had nothing better to do.
 
SweetUFtooth, If you know for a fact that this person lied and got in, why don't you say something??

Here's the reasons why I would DEFINITELY call the school and inform them of what I know:

1. In interviews I have been asked by adcoms, "What would you do if you caught someone cheating?"

2. Dentistry is a career that requires REALLY good ethics. For example: You went to my dentist and he told you, that you have $1400 worth of work to be done. Most people would just take his word for it without even looking at an Xray. Lying on your application is actually very risky. If they aren't afraid to do that, think of the other things they are willing to lie about to get ahead in life. NOT OKAY.

3. It's not okay to lie on an application because a deserving individual DESERVES that spot.

Speak up, say something. If it's anonymously through a phone call or a formal letter (without your name on it), that's fine. But don't let someone get away with cheating.
 
dentista123 said:
SweetUFtooth, If you know for a fact that this person lied and got in, why don't you say something??

Here's the reasons why I would DEFINITELY call the school and inform them of what I know:

1. In interviews I have been asked by adcoms, "What would you do if you caught someone cheating?"

2. Dentistry is a career that requires REALLY good ethics. For example: You went to my dentist and he told you, that you have $1400 worth of work to be done. Most people would just take his word for it without even looking at an Xray. Lying on your application is actually very risky. If they aren't afraid to do that, think of the other things they are willing to lie about to get ahead in life. NOT OKAY.

3. It's not okay to lie on an application because a deserving individual DESERVES that spot.

Speak up, say something. If it's anonymously through a phone call or a formal letter (without your name on it), that's fine. But don't let someone get away with cheating.
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I think 1000+ hours is perfectly reasonable if it's true. You can easily get 1000+ hours with a dentist....especially if you are their assistant. If these hours were paid (not free shadowing) I think it's fine for them to put it as long as they check that little box saying they were paid for the hours at some point (you can choose "paid" or "job shadowing" on the app....just check both if it's true!)

I personally had around 650 hours shadowing one dentist. over the course of a half a year. That included when I started out and when I worked as her assistant (8 hour days 4x week for a little over a semester). I just had to say exactly that....

However, I do personally know someone who said they shadowed their dad for many hours when I know they had spent less than 2 days doing this over 3 years...they got in. Basically, it sucks that it happens but I would never be the one to call them out on it. I think it makes you look like a sore loser...especially because their shadowing hours probably aren't what makes or breaks them on the acceptance.
 
dentista123 said:
SweetUFtooth, If you know for a fact that this person lied and got in, why don't you say something??

Here's the reasons why I would DEFINITELY call the school and inform them of what I know:

1. In interviews I have been asked by adcoms, "What would you do if you caught someone cheating?"

2. Dentistry is a career that requires REALLY good ethics. For example: You went to my dentist and he told you, that you have $1400 worth of work to be done. Most people would just take his word for it without even looking at an Xray. Lying on your application is actually very risky. If they aren't afraid to do that, think of the other things they are willing to lie about to get ahead in life. NOT OKAY.

3. It's not okay to lie on an application because a deserving individual DESERVES that spot.

Speak up, say something. If it's anonymously through a phone call or a formal letter (without your name on it), that's fine. But don't let someone get away with cheating.
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I agree with this 100%.

What really blows is that by your friend being unethical he has put you into a difficult situation where you have to make an ethical decision.

When I was asked a question about whether I would turn a cheater in or not, I said I would for these reasons:
1) It's wrong
2) He is taking the spot (grade, whatever) that someone else worked hard for and he stole from them
3) It will be difficult for him now, but the lessons he will learn and the changes he will likely make to overcome whatever consequences he will face will be more valuable to him than continuing to be dishonest, and potentially lying to and stealing from his patients in the future (point #2 above).

I really hope that you make the right decision.
 
punkin85 said:
I think 1000+ hours is perfectly reasonable if it's true. You can easily get 1000+ hours with a dentist....especially if you are their assistant. If these hours were paid (not free shadowing) I think it's fine for them to put it as long as they check that little box saying they were paid for the hours at some point (you can choose "paid" or "job shadowing" on the app....just check both if it's true!)

I personally had around 650 hours shadowing one dentist. over the course of a half a year. That included when I started out and when I worked as her assistant (8 hour days 4x week for a little over a semester). I just had to say exactly that....

However, I do personally know someone who said they shadowed their dad for many hours when I know they had spent less than 2 days doing this over 3 years...they got in. Basically, it sucks that it happens but I would never be the one to call them out on it. I think it makes you look like a sore loser...especially because their shadowing hours probably aren't what makes or breaks them on the acceptance.
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Shadowing MAY make or break your acceptance at a state school. Many state schools take students with low stats and exceptional ECs. SHADOWING and RESEARCH can make the difference between someone else and you. NO you are not a sore loser. You are an honest individual for doing the ethical thing by turning in an unethical individual that is going into the HEALTH professions.
 
I just want to add something else. I turned someone in for cheating once. We had to grade each others' papers. I noticed that this girl had a really good paper, like too good and she used words that were either old English or uncommonly used. It was a huge red flag.

So I started googling whole paragraphs and she plagiarized a great deal of the paper. I turned her in. I felt REALLY guilty at first and then I remembered that we are pre-health professionals. I was commended by my professor, not that it is important. But, what I mean is it was clear that I was not a "sore loser". I had NOTHING to gain by turning her in. I gained guilt. But I know that it's not fair to cheat and I know that I am honest and I would like others to be as well. Even if it's against their will. They are aware of the repercussions.

I don't want my doctor to be someone that cannot write an essay without cheating and I don't want my dentist to be someone that says they did EXTENSIVE research and shadowing that they didn't.
 
I don't agree with you guys that you should turn him or her in. BEFORE you all attack me about this...I want it to be known that I ABSOLUTELY WOULD tell someone if I had seen this person cheating on an exam, assignment, work in class, etc. This person is lazy and not learning the material which will hurt themselves and their patients in the future.

My reasoning for not turning them in for this particular thing (hours or ECs on an app) is that I would have to live with the fact that this person's entire life is ruined because I didn't think they were good enough for dental school...I don't care how many hours of shadowing you DO OR DON'T HAVE as long as you learn all the material in dental school just like all of us do and you can go out and provide great quality care to your patients.

Nonetheless, how do you KNOW exactly what they wrote on their app? Most of this is probably hearsay unless you have physically logged into their AADSAS and have seen it with your own eyes....and unless you KNOW exactly how many hours they really have shadowed...I would mind my own business before writing a letter that may ruin their career. Maybe they thought about fibbing on their hours and actually didn't! I highly doubt that any dentist would have actually let them lie about 1000s of shadowing hours (maybe 100 hours or so...but not that many). You're also putting that dentist down and discrediting him or her to the rest of the world! Now maybe you're messing with their career too....all the while you don't REALLY know if anyone even lied!

A friend of mine was going to put that he shadowed more hours and the dentist was fine with this and guess what? He didn't end up doing it. So technically, unless you are 100% sure....be upset and move on....start focusing on yourself.
 
dentista123 said:
SweetUFtooth, If you know for a fact that this person lied and got in, why don't you say something??

Here's the reasons why I would DEFINITELY call the school and inform them of what I know:

1. In interviews I have been asked by adcoms, "What would you do if you caught someone cheating?"

2. Dentistry is a career that requires REALLY good ethics. For example: You went to my dentist and he told you, that you have $1400 worth of work to be done. Most people would just take his word for it without even looking at an Xray. Lying on your application is actually very risky. If they aren't afraid to do that, think of the other things they are willing to lie about to get ahead in life. NOT OKAY.

3. It's not okay to lie on an application because a deserving individual DESERVES that spot.

Speak up, say something. If it's anonymously through a phone call or a formal letter (without your name on it), that's fine. But don't let someone get away with cheating.
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I am fully aware of all the points that you listed and do believe that a person who cheats should not be in DS. However, I would not call them out on it either. I cannot change a person's moral code even by punishing them. We all do believe that we deserve a spot. Some of us act on that by lying to get ahead and feel that it is justifiable to do so. They will keep on believing that no matter what until they come to realize that this is not right. On the other hand, this person already knows the dentists and the professor who agreed to lie for them. Even if I do report this incident, they know people that will back them up even if it is not true.

The reason I started this thread is to raise awareness in case anyone was as naive as me. I think it is best to know the truth in order to prepare for next cycle appropriately. I am not just competing with very intelligent, hard working, honest students. I am also competing with dishonest individuals who make themselves appear more competitive by lying. I still hope that by voicing our opinions, and sharing stories of people getting caught 😉, that those thinking of cheating would change their minds by thinking about the consequences.
 
dentista123 said:
Shadowing MAY make or break your acceptance at a state school. Many state schools take students with low stats and exceptional ECs. SHADOWING and RESEARCH can make the difference between someone else and you. NO you are not a sore loser. You are an honest individual for doing the ethical thing by turning in an unethical individual that is going into the HEALTH professions.
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I'm saying it's probably not what breaks them. I would hope they had a great application other than shadowing.
 
punkin85 said:
I don't agree with you guys that you should turn him or her in. BEFORE you all attack me about this...I want it to be known that I ABSOLUTELY WOULD tell someone if I had seen this person cheating on an exam, assignment, work in class, etc. This person is lazy and not learning the material which will hurt themselves and their patients in the future.

My reasoning for not turning them in for this particular thing (hours or ECs on an app) is that I would have to live with the fact that this person's entire life is ruined because I didn't think they were good enough for dental school...I don't care how many hours of shadowing you DO OR DON'T HAVE as long as you learn all the material in dental school just like all of us do and you can go out and provide great quality care to your patients.

Nonetheless, how do you KNOW exactly what they wrote on their app? Most of this is probably hearsay unless you have physically logged into their AADSAS and have seen it with your own eyes....and unless you KNOW exactly how many hours they really have shadowed...I would mind my own business before writing a letter that may ruin their career. Maybe they thought about fibbing on their hours and actually didn't! I highly doubt that any dentist would have actually let them lie about 1000s of shadowing hours (maybe 100 hours or so...but not that many). You're also putting that dentist down and discrediting him or her to the rest of the world! Now maybe you're messing with their career too....all the while you don't REALLY know if anyone even lied!

A friend of mine was going to put that he shadowed more hours and the dentist was fine with this and guess what? He didn't end up doing it. So technically, unless you are 100% sure....be upset and move on....start focusing on yourself.
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If they tell you to your face that they did not shadow 1000 hours and in reality they shadowed 60 hrs. Turn them in. You are not ruining their life. The dental school doesn't expel someone that second. The dental school would likely call that student and say, "Please provide us proper documentation of X hours"

Like SweetUFTooth said, after proof is provided there's not a darn thing anyone can do.

BUT if they have not yet provided a signed copy from the dentist, then the least that you can do is relay the information that you obtained from the dishonest applicant.
 
punkin85 said:
I don't agree with you guys that you should turn him or her in. BEFORE you all attack me about this...I want it to be known that I ABSOLUTELY WOULD tell someone if I had seen this person cheating on an exam, assignment, work in class, etc. This person is lazy and not learning the material which will hurt themselves and their patients in the future.

My reasoning for not turning them in for this particular thing (hours or ECs on an app) is that I would have to live with the fact that this person's entire life is ruined because I didn't think they were good enough for dental school...I don't care how many hours of shadowing you DO OR DON'T HAVE as long as you learn all the material in dental school just like all of us do and you can go out and provide great quality care to your patients.

Nonetheless, how do you KNOW exactly what they wrote on their app? Most of this is probably hearsay unless you have physically logged into their AADSAS and have seen it with your own eyes....and unless you KNOW exactly how many hours they really have shadowed...I would mind my own business before writing a letter that may ruin their career. Maybe they thought about fibbing on their hours and actually didn't! I highly doubt that any dentist would have actually let them lie about 1000s of shadowing hours (maybe 100 hours or so...but not that many). You're also putting that dentist down and discrediting him or her to the rest of the world! Now maybe you're messing with their career too....all the while you don't REALLY know if anyone even lied!

A friend of mine was going to put that he shadowed more hours and the dentist was fine with this and guess what? He didn't end up doing it. So technically, unless you are 100% sure....be upset and move on....start focusing on yourself.
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I definitely agree with you. I can't say I am 100% sure, this is talk I have heard from a friend who knows this person. Supposedly, the person told my friend all that (which sounds dumb). I am also curious to know if anyone knows anyone who did that and got in. I am not looking to ruin anyone's life but to try and prepare for next cycle. When you think about it, we face dishonest people all the time. I would speak up if I had talked with the person myself or saw this happening. I would have probably advised them to not do any of that if I could. People cheat, we should at least know that and try to stop it before it happens.
 
Maybe we should start a poll on this, based on what I've seen so far, I think I'll be surprised by the results.
 
Yes people cheat.

Yes People cheat and get in.

Yes People cheat, get in, and nobody ever finds out.
 
punkin85 said:
I'm saying it's probably not what breaks them. I would hope they had a great application other than shadowing.
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browse predents for a while or talk to people that have gotten in. You will quickly realize that people with FAR lower stats get in over higher stats all the time because of excellent EC's like research/dental experience. It's not as unlikely as you think.
 
dentista123 said:
If they tell you to your face that they did not shadow 1000 hours and in reality they shadowed 60 hrs. Turn them in. You are not ruining their life. The dental school doesn't expel someone that second. The dental school would likely call that student and say, "Please provide us proper documentation of X hours"

Like SweetUFTooth said, after proof is provided there's not a darn thing anyone can do.

BUT if they have not yet provided a signed copy from the dentist, then the least that you can do is relay the information that you obtained from the dishonest applicant.
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Yes, maybe if they told me this and showed me what they put on their AADSAS I would consider it. If not, I'm not going to look like the fool trying to get them in trouble (anonymous or not)
 
dentista123 said:
browse predents for a while or talk to people that have gotten in. You will quickly realize that people with FAR lower stats get in over higher stats all the time because of excellent EC's like research/dental experience. It's not as unlikely as you think.
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I wasn't saying "excellent ECs or research/dental experience"

I was saying the difference between a few extra shadowing hours (i.e one person has 200+ and another has 500+)...not a big difference since you have to consider everyone has different obligations.

Of course great ECs and experience will weigh over someone who has none. You didn't get the slight point I was trying to make.
 
punkin85 said:
Yes, maybe if they told me this and showed me what they put on their AADSAS I would consider it. If not, I'm not going to look like the fool trying to get them in trouble (anonymous or not)
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well to be honest, I'm glad that there are different levels of thought on this subject like your thoughts and mine. It's a touchy subject and there are quite a view angles.

Did you guys hear about the two people that got into dental school with made up stats/transcripts? I'll try to google the article.
 
dentista123 said:
I just want to add something else. I turned someone in for cheating once. We had to grade each others' papers. I noticed that this girl had a really good paper, like too good and she used words that were either old English or uncommonly used. It was a huge red flag.

So I started googling whole paragraphs and she plagiarized a great deal of the paper. I turned her in. I felt REALLY guilty at first and then I remembered that we are pre-health professionals. I was commended by my professor, not that it is important. But, what I mean is it was clear that I was not a "sore loser". I had NOTHING to gain by turning her in. I gained guilt. But I know that it's not fair to cheat and I know that I am honest and I would like others to be as well. Even if it's against their will. They are aware of the repercussions.

I don't want my doctor to be someone that cannot write an essay without cheating and I don't want my dentist to be someone that says they did EXTENSIVE research and shadowing that they didn't.
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Great detective work! Who assigned you to be Sherlock Holmes? I am sure that you did the world and to that other student a grand favor! You sure taught her a lesson.

Personally, I am not a fan about this snitching business- dental school applications, homework, essays or whatever the case. This just reminds me of a an incident in DS Anatomy class, where this one classmate never came in for cadaver lab, and there was one guy telling another guy in our class to snitch on the frequently absent student because it was a mandatory lab. Hmm... Would I be doing society a favor for snitching? So that my classmate can learn a lesson in life- not to cheat or cut corners?

Don't worry about other people. Worry about yourself. You can't change the world by snitching on a fellow. 60 hrs or 1000 hrs of shadowing a dentist- this is not the main thing that got your friend's friend into "multiple schools". I am sure his application had more to offer.

On last note, quite frankly I don't give a rats azz if my dentist can't write essays or didn't conduct "extensive" research. I want my dentist to do a good job on my teeth! IMHO
 
dentista123 said:
well to be honest, I'm glad that there are different levels of thought on this subject like your thoughts and mine. It's a touchy subject and there are quite a view angles.

Did you guys hear about the two people that got into dental school with made up stats/transcripts? I'll try to google the article.
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Your google skills must be phenomenal!
 
63B2B said:
Great detective work! Who assigned you to be Sherlock Holmes? I am sure that you did the world and to that other student a grand favor! You sure taught her a lesson. You and I both know, I did not teach that girl a lesson. She taught herself a lesson.

Personally, I am not a fan about this snitching business- dental school applications, homework, essays or whatever the case. This just reminds me of a an incident in DS Anatomy class, where this one classmate never came in for cadaver lab, and there was one guy telling another guy in our class to snitch on the frequently absent student because it was a mandatory lab. Hmm... Would I be doing society a favor for snitching? So that my classmate can learn a lesson in life- not to cheat or cut corners?

Don't worry about other people. Worry about yourself. You can't change the world by snitching on a fellow. 60 hrs or 1000 hrs of shadowing a dentist- this is not the main thing that got your friend's friend into "multiple schools". I am sure his application had more to offer. How can you be sure their application had so much to offer when they were quick to lie on it? Obviously they did not feel that their application was sufficient, why should you?

On last note, quite frankly I don't give a rats azz if my dentist can't write essays or didn't conduct "extensive" research. I want my dentist to do a good job on my teeth! IMHO
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Our beliefs are very different. all I can say is to me, cheating is a fine line. Once a person crosses it, it becomes fuzzy to them and their character should be called into question.
 
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i hate seeing this article all the time...im an LSU undergrad and LSU-SD is where i want to go. lol

tuition is ab 40k =) (for all 4 years)
 
dentista123 said:
I just want to add something else. I turned someone in for cheating once. We had to grade each others' papers. I noticed that this girl had a really good paper, like too good and she used words that were either old English or uncommonly used. It was a huge red flag.

So I started googling whole paragraphs and she plagiarized a great deal of the paper. I turned her in. I felt REALLY guilty at first and then I remembered that we are pre-health professionals. I was commended by my professor, not that it is important. But, what I mean is it was clear that I was not a "sore loser". I had NOTHING to gain by turning her in. I gained guilt. But I know that it's not fair to cheat and I know that I am honest and I would like others to be as well. Even if it's against their will. They are aware of the repercussions.

I don't want my doctor to be someone that cannot write an essay without cheating and I don't want my dentist to be someone that says they did EXTENSIVE research and shadowing that they didn't.
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I think you should re-think dentistry and really think about going into the undercover anti-cheater field.

I have never and never plan on cheating, but I have to say your pretty damn lame!!!

I was asked on one of my interviews the typical "if you saw someone cheating....." question and i answered it truthfully. I said if it was something that would DIRECTLY harm another person, then i would have it brought to somebody's attention otherwise i personally believe that when a person cheats their way through life (especially academia) it will catch up to them. I got accepted...

I honestly hate when people try to cheat off me and look at my test, so i cover it. But i dont go turn them in after(im sure dentista123 would) I definitely DO NOT condone cheating and even look down at people who i know cheat. BUUTT I also look down at people who snitch on every little incident. I really dont like snitches, but to each his own i guess.
 
Tommy43087 said:
I think you should re-think dentistry and really think about going into the undercover anti-cheater field.

I have never and never plan on cheating, but I have to say your pretty damn lame!!!

I was asked on one of my interviews the typical "if you saw someone cheating....." question and i answered it truthfully. I said if it was something that would DIRECTLY harm another person, then i would have it brought to somebody's attention otherwise i personally believe that when a person cheats their way through life (especially academia) it will catch up to them. I got accepted...

I honestly hate when people try to cheat off me and look at my test, so i cover it. But i dont go turn them in after(im sure dentista123 would) I definitely DO NOT condone cheating and even look down at people who i know cheat. BUUTT I also look down at people who snitch on every little incident. I really dont like snitches, but to each his own i guess.
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It's funny how everything works out and people end up where they need to be - so glad that the people in next year's class at my school have integrity.
 
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