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Doctors don't become wealthy? What anesthesiologist do you know that doesn't have a house on a lake with at least 1 boat?
So there are tons of articles describing why doctors don't become wealthy, and from a financial perspective you're much better off if you work in your 20s since you can start accumulating a portfolio, etc. However, it seems as if a lot of those articles cite student debt as a major cause of this.
Let's say that you were hypothetically able to graduate from medical school with no debt (this means no undergraduate debt as well) -- either someone paid for you or you got a scholarship. You'll still have a late start of course, but in this case would you still have benefited more financially from working in your 20s?
My brother is a high school teacher and I will not have as much purchasing power as him until I'm in my 40s.
"Purchasing power (sometimes retroactively called adjusted for inflation) is the number of goods or services that can be purchased with a unit of currency"
Unless you or your brother live in a time machine or a device travelling at a significant fraction of c, you both have the exact same purchasing power.
I think @mimelim was implying that his brother the teacher, soon after college in his 20s has a certain level of purchasing power. When the brother and mimelin are their 40s, they will finally be on par. Purchasing power is often used not for the currency but for the goods it can buy (ie 2 hours of pay at average wage can get you a pair of shoes). Comparing one person to another implies how much each one can purchase.
This is why I think that every student, including pre-meds, should take introductory economics, so they don't wikipedia something and think they have a handle on basic economic terms. Its like you can't comprehend that there might be two definitions of a phrase, never mind that the far more common use of 'purchasing power' refers to money/credit available for consumption of goods/services.
I was being facetious. I am well aware of the common -nevermind incorrect- use of "purchasing power" by non-economists.
Uh huh. Keep digging.
This may steer a bit off topic, but reminds me of a recent conversation with my father. I was upset due to my own financial situation. I told him I was feeling a bit 'worthless' as, outside of time, I've not contributed much in resources to the community. He reassured me that it couldn't be the case. I owed a ton of money, and was actually a lot less than worthless. Ha, dads. 🙁This is why I think that every student, including pre-meds, should take introductory economics, so they don't wikipedia something and think they have a handle on basic economic terms. Its like you can't comprehend that there might be two definitions of a phrase, never mind that the far more common use of 'purchasing power' refers to money/credit available for consumption of goods/services.
Why so serious?
I'm actually very curious how loans vs. no loans will affect lifestyle, work balance etc.
My uncle is a surgeon in a very well paying speciality but he always tells me medicine isn't worth it because even with all he's making he was still paying off debt into his 40s. How much of a financial burden would be removed by not having to pay for school?
I'm actually very curious how loans vs. no loans will affect lifestyle, work balance etc.
My uncle is a surgeon in a very well paying speciality but he always tells me medicine isn't worth it because even with all he's making he was still paying off debt into his 40s. How much of a financial burden would be removed by not having to pay for school?
A big question I am asking is whether the prestige of a school outweighs a full tuition scholarship in terms of overall career opportunities and life happiness.TL;DR: going to med school for free, if you can, makes a difference. Going to undergrad for free is a lot more likely to happen and helps a lot.
I'm actually very curious how loans vs. no loans will affect lifestyle, work balance etc.
My uncle is a surgeon in a very well paying speciality but he always tells me medicine isn't worth it because even with all he's making he was still paying off debt into his 40s. How much of a financial burden would be removed by not having to pay for school?
A big question I am asking is whether the prestige of a school outweighs a full tuition scholarship in terms of overall career opportunities and life happiness.
I don't know where you went, but looking back, is there any medical school you would have gone to over the one that gave you a full ride? Ivies? UCs? NYC schools? Idk. Especially given that you ended up wanting to be in academia..?
I'm actually very curious how loans vs. no loans will affect lifestyle, work balance etc.
My uncle is a surgeon in a very well paying speciality but he always tells me medicine isn't worth it because even with all he's making he was still paying off debt into his 40s. How much of a financial burden would be removed by not having to pay for school?
That article had a lot of shady assumptions. Garbage in garbage out.There was a great graphic I saw at a meeting once where the UPS driver was ahead of the doctor (including accumulated retirement benefits) somewhere into their late 40's. From a purely financial perspective, medical school seems a much more difficult route for money. Additionally, the emotional toll on the training, relationships, etc, must be taken into account.
So there are tons of articles describing why doctors don't become wealthy, and from a financial perspective you're much better off if you work in your 20s since you can start accumulating a portfolio, etc. However, it seems as if a lot of those articles cite student debt as a major cause of this.
Let's say that you were hypothetically able to graduate from medical school with no debt (this means no undergraduate debt as well) -- either someone paid for you or you got a scholarship. You'll still have a late start of course, but in this case would you still have benefited more financially from working in your 20s?
Yep, this is pretty much the case.If the OP is a real person with a real opportunity (through parents or whatever), the relief would be... substantial, I assume.
This is pretty much the case. Money is not the reason I want to go into medicine, but at the same time I don't want to do anything financially unwise.
I'm sorry....but did you not just ask another way of saying
"If I don't have debt is this better financially?"
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Obviously the answer is yes. How is this even a question?
If you had to pick between graduating with debt or without debt, all other things equal, what would you do?
Yep, this exactly.I'm pretty sure the question was whether it would be better financially to go to medical school and graduate with little or no debt or start working in your early 20s, which is a less silly question.
Didn't phrase the question well, sorry."Does graduating from med school debt free increase the financial desirability of medicine?"
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Real world example if this helps at all:
My aunt and uncle (married) are both anesthesiologists and both walked into their salaries within a year of each other (met during residency). They both did the navy so after deployments they had zero debt. That's a topic whose pros and cons I won't even get into. But here's the fun part... Within two years of being full fledged docs they bought a $900,000 mansion and a Maserati. Not a bad start
So id say having no debt changes things a bit. But in their case you have to consider the value of the years they traded to the navy
Ya but then what happens from age 40-60 and retirement?My brother is a high school teacher and I will not have as much purchasing power as him until I'm in my 40s.
Ya but then what happens from age 40-60 and retirement?
Doctors don't become wealthy? What anesthesiologist do you know that doesn't have a house on a lake with at least 1 boat?
My brother is a high school teacher and I will not have as much purchasing power as him until I'm in my 40s.
Assuming you started medical school within a couple of years of college, and assuming your brother makes within two standard deviations of the average for a high school teacher, I don't see how this can be true. A surgeon graduating from residency in his early 30s should surpass the total lifetime earnings of an average high school teacher by the time he's in his 40s. If you lived on an average HS teachers salary and earned an average Surgeons salary you should be able to erase you debt and far surpass the average HS teachers savings/assets within three years of residency graduation.
Heck, if your brother has an average high school teacher's salary, you should have been just about even with his paycheck on day one of residency.