Does this constitute cheating?

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Are steroids cheating if you're an athlete? Because we worry about the long term effects on the population if everyone were to take steroids, most would say yes. Even though it's a bit lazy to call something cheating - rather than offering a more concise term for using a substance that isn't ethical for everyone to take - most can agree that using adderall or derivatives without proper indication is "cheating" because it would put the population at risk if we were to all take the substance to "keep up." No one ever is harmed from getting enough rest, no one is ever at risk by drinking coffee (though I'd be willing to entertain a discussion about its correlation with anxiety disorders), and so for the reasons above I think it is indeed cheating. At best, it's sad.

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[DJ Khaled's Pet Tiger]

This thread is over 8 years old.......... Why bump this

Why not?

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[TheBiologist]

how did 40% of people say yes to this poll? Is drinking caffeine cheating? suppose adderall was legalized/made 'over the counter' - would it still be cheating? or suppose there is currently a legal substance that has the exact same effect as adderall - cheating still?

 

[Disciple of Sattar]

I think people like to feel victimized and like the world treats them unfairly.

This is coming from someone who doesn’t waste money on adderall when he can just drink coffee.

 

[altblue]

Why not?

Full disclosure, I don't look at the dates when I post. It showed up on my live feed, for some reason.

I'm sure the guy you replied to will get back to you in a timely manner. Just give him a minute

 

[Isoval]

how did 40% of people say yes to this poll? Is drinking caffeine cheating? suppose adderall was legalized/made 'over the counter' - would it still be cheating? or suppose there is currently a legal substance that has the exact same effect as adderall - cheating still?

I voted “yes” because of the ethical concerns of taking medication without a prescription. I hate it when people in my classes abuse Adderal or Ritalin to do better on an exam; those kids want to be doctors and they’re already abusing prescription drugs.

I don’t necessarily think it’s cheating, but I absolutely thing it’s unethical and should carry an IA - in addition to a criminal misdemeanor - if caught.

 

[Wiesal]

i disagree. the way i see it, taking adderall to prep for a test is more like taking steroids to prep and build muscle for a game than it is like the gatorade analogy. both steroids and adderall give you a significant, unnatural advantage. if you take steroids you're also still putting in all the work to prepare...but people are generally outraged when an athlete is discovered to have been 'cheating' by using.

why not just be better organized so you don't need to take adderall and cram the night before? i've never pulled an academic all-nighter in my life. (i also don't drink coffee, red bull, or take any kind of stimulants due to crohn's disease). it can be done.

caffeine is unnatural as any drug and can be a significant advantage for some. if it fits your criteria, then isn't consuming caffeine cheating too?

 

[Planes2Doc]

I'd say no, with legality aside.

I can't drink coffee (doesn't go well with me for some reason) and can't exercise in the morning (I do it at night before bed). Therefore, people who can tolerate coffee and drink numerous cups of it daily and those that can run 5 miles upon waking at 4AM are likely at an advantage compared to me. I've learned to compensate.

We all have advantages and disadvantages in all aspects of our life. These things range from our natural intelligence, wealth, amount of sleep per night, overall health, diet, etc etc... Adderall, Vyvanse, Ritalin, Focalin, Dexedrine, Desoxyn, and others may give someone an advantage when used sparingly. But at the end of the day, if someone relies on it all the time, they will likely become dependent. Anyway, life isn't fair, and never will be. You must learn to deal with your strengths and weaknesses, and make the most of it.

Secondly, until these medications start doing your homework or taking exams for you, they won't be cheating since you're still doing all the work.

 

[LnSin]

Secondly, until these medications start doing your homework or taking exams for you, they won't be cheating since you're still doing all the work.

Then you're OK with steroids being used in the olympics? Because steroids don't lift the weights for you, so it's not cheating?

 

[Disciple of Sattar]

I'm not trying to condone illegal behavior but I think that people responding with overly dramatic answers aren't aware that the cognition and focus enhancing effects of these drugs are incredibly similar to, say, two cups of black coffee, or a few cigarettes. They are even more similar to pre-workout supplements legally sold off of store shelves, many of which have amphetamine analogues that haven't been hit by the FDA banhammer yet.

 

[mistafab]

It is unethical because one of the fundamental principals in being a doctor is to be a warden of medications. To not prescribe it when it is not needed, and to mitigate abuse potential.

To take a drug that is literally not your prescription is completely unethical for future doctors LOL what are you talking about?

I am curious as to why it might be unethical to use medication without a prescription. Illegal clearly, but legal =/= ethical. I'm not saying you're wrong.

 

[Nave]

I'm not trying to condone illegal behavior but I think that people responding with overly dramatic answers aren't aware that the cognition and focus enhancing effects of these drugs are incredibly similar to, say, two cups of black coffee, or a few cigarettes. They are even more similar to pre-workout supplements legally sold off of store shelves, many of which have amphetamine analogues that haven't been hit by the FDA banhammer yet.

I agree with this sentiment. I have never understood why people get so upset about this specific subject.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Full disclosure, I don't look at the dates when I post.

You should start.

 

[DJ Khaled's Pet Tiger]

You should start.

Youre right, maybe I should consider the consequences of my actions

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Youre right, maybe I should consider the consequences of my actions

Exactly. This zombie thread is going to run amok now.