Does your GPA reflect anything about your ability ?

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[Polska]

Hello ...

in easy way, does the ( GPA ) in med school can evaluate you as a ( Doctor ) ?

I mean , is it necessary that people who have high grades in the school would become great doctors ?

in contrast, those how have low grades would become bad physicians ?

other thing, after the graduation from med school , does your GPA - in a way or another - can affect your admission in residency programs ?

Thanks .

What is a "great doctor"?

 

[Blade28]

No, your undergrad GPA is not used when applying for residency.

 

[Law2Doc]

Hello ...

in easy way, does the ( GPA ) in med school can evaluate you as a ( Doctor ) ?

I mean , is it necessary that people who have high grades in the school would become great doctors ?

in contrast, those how have low grades would become bad physicians ?

other thing, after the graduation from med school , does your GPA - in a way or another - can affect your admission in residency programs ?

Thanks .

Considering that many med schools have P/F and that basic science year grades are pretty low on the list of things focused on by residency directors, it is pretty clear no one puts this kind of stock into it. Great doctors will emerge from all ranks of the class, as will not so great ones. Just be the best one you can be.

 

[MossPoh]

While your question is more vague than you can imagine, there IS a correlation between success in medical school and your gpa/mcat. Note that I said correlation. It has been observed plenty of times that one should always place their money on their grade/test trends rather than how we percieve that person to be. Learning never stops, the increase is only much smaller on the thousandth trial versus the fourth.....Now....does gpa reflect all other characteristics that make a "good" doctor? Defintley not.......but it can reflect your knowledge base versus others in your class, and your ability to learn new material which could be considered as a higher ability with medicine. I, on the other hand see a good doctor with a high ability being much more than that gpa. Either way you will be adequatley trained when you finish medical school to go on and learn more in residency..

 

[Blade28]

GPA is just one of those ways to screen applicants - doesn't make you a good or bad physician, necessarily.

 

[sacallaco]

Good GPA does not equate great doctor BUT good GPA surely equates great residency program. In other words, if you don't plan on doing residency, don't worry about your grades because that's all they mean.

 

[classof2011]

As far as GPA is concerned, I think it is an important measure for personality...For example, thats one reason why Adcoms talk of the GPA trend..Is it falling? Is it Consistently High? Or is it Climbing? Or even does it flow like a roller coaster (up and down, round and round)......As I've heard from many Adcoms, a consistenly hIgh GPA tells that the student likes to hit the ground running and aims high, traits of devotion and perfection........A falling GPA says that a student has learned the basics (for ex. gen chem...which many of us took it in HS) but dare not battle the beyond, which shows complacency and lack of growth....not good....And the favorite GPA is the climbing GPA, which gives off perserverence, and the joy of challenges, even in the midst of tougher coursework......They can use these traits to assess your ability to perform as a forever-learning physician

Oh yeah the roller coaster GPA mean you're unstable..lol

 

[Polska]

Considering that many med schools have P/F and that basic science year grades are pretty low on the list of things focused on by residency directors, it is pretty clear no one puts this kind of stock into it. Great doctors will emerge from all ranks of the class, as will not so great ones. Just be the best one you can be.

P/F or not.. The "best" are the BEST.. What's the BEST about a guy who barely passes and struggles to find time for going out versus a person who's got everything hittin on all cylinders in his life??

Do I think you need to be the BEST? No.. but don't adjust the meaning of BEST to include subpar performance in any aspect of life..

 

[Law2Doc]

P/F or not.. The "best" are the BEST.. What's the BEST about a guy who barely passes and struggles to find time for going out versus a person who's got everything hittin on all cylinders in his life??

Do I think you need to be the BEST? No.. but don't adjust the meaning of BEST to include subpar performance in any aspect of life..

Um I didn't make up the phrase "do your best". If you have issues with the english language and its vernacular, I think you need to take that up with someone else. A teachers union perhaps? 🙄

 

[FenderHM]

no i dont think high gpa=good doctor at all. some book-smart geniuses out there cant relate to normal people and help them with their health issues worth a crap. good doctor=unique combination of book smarts, street smarts, people skills, motivation, and professionalism

 

[45408]

P/F or not.. The "best" are the BEST.. What's the BEST about a guy who barely passes and struggles to find time for going out versus a person who's got everything hittin on all cylinders in his life??

Do I think you need to be the BEST? No.. but don't adjust the meaning of BEST to include subpar performance in any aspect of life..

What's the BEST about that guy is that it's the BEST effort he has. He can't do any more, so he'll take what he can get. It's better than if he didn't do the best he's got.

Your last statement has GUNNER written all over it.

 

[deleted109597]

P/F or not.. The "best" are the BEST.. What's the BEST about a guy who barely passes and struggles to find time for going out versus a person who's got everything hittin on all cylinders in his life??

Do I think you need to be the BEST? No.. but don't adjust the meaning of BEST to include subpar performance in any aspect of life..

So, Chuck Norris?


Seriously, you have this crazy idealistic view of what is the best doctor, and that answer changes for every single patient, specialty, and geographic local.
GPA reflects your ability to get grades. I don't think the BEST doctor is one who studied 10 hours per day to get A's, when there are smarter people who don't work as hard for the same grades. And just because someone doesn't apply themselves during year 1 of medical school doesn't mean a whole lot when you look at the grand scheme of things.

As for the good GPA means great residency statement, well, every residency is accredited to teach you what you need to be board eligible. Some may be on probation, but very few lose accreditation. So the name of a residency is really only important if you want to get into academics, or you need that office across the street in Beverly Hills. There have been plenty of the BEST doctors who come out of podunk residencies. And there are some big name schools that have below average inservice scores. It is all a crapshoot, you want a residency that you'll learn and enjoy, not one that makes you better than your fellow man.

 

[tncekm]

Hello ...

in easy way, does the ( GPA ) in med school can evaluate you as a ( Doctor ) ?

I mean , is it necessary that people who have high grades in the school would become great doctors ?

in contrast, those how have low grades would become bad physicians ?

other thing, after the graduation from med school , does your GPA - in a way or another - can affect your admission in residency programs ?

Thanks .

High GPA usually means that you know how to work hard, at a minimum.

 

[classof2011]

no i dont think high gpa=good doctor at all. some book-smart geniuses out there cant relate to normal people and help them with their health issues worth a crap. good doctor=unique combination of book smarts, street smarts, people skills, motivation, and professionalism

Thats ME Thats MEEEE!🙄

 

[Polska]

What's the BEST about that guy is that it's the BEST effort he has. He can't do any more, so he'll take what he can get. It's better than if he didn't do the best he's got.

Your last statement has GUNNER written all over it.

GUNNER = Taking down people in an effort to gain an advantage..

Nothing in my statement is gunner.. Gunners would say HIGH GPA= GOAL IN LIFE.. My statement of Great Doctors = Great Smarts, Great Social Skills, Great Dedication, Great Spouse, Great Parent, etc.. In no way am I saying I AM GREAT. But I constantly strive for greatness.. What good is a person if he's #1 Surgeon in the World but neglects to notice his son has been doing drugs and is starting to free base and beat his gf... or that the Surgeon himself is a child molester.. Do you think put up to a vote to the masses that he'd be voted GREAT DOCTOR??

I'm just stating that everyone molds their view of what a great doctor is to whatever they are.. It's no different than extremists who mold any holy book to answer all questions in terms of their own privately held belIiefs..

So what is a great doctor? Someone who does good research? One who heals 1 person? We'll all end up doing that so I guess we're all great doctors.. I'm not a great anything.. nor do I need constant reinforcement from the SDN community that I am..

To me, the OP was looking for some assurance that just because he's not great in academics, he'll still be great. To me, I'd put my money that he'll be just like most of the doctors out there.. a Good Competent Doctor..

On a side note, could someone the #1 GREATEST doctor and see if the SDN community agrees? Who knows, I might be wrong and everyone might have a homogenous view of what this mystical great doctor status encompasses..

 

[crazy_cavalier]

good doctor=unique combination of book smarts, street smarts, people skills, motivation, and professionalism

Time for me to see how I place on the Good Doctor checklist:
Book smarts... negative
Street smarts... no
People skills... none
Moti-what?... zzzz
Professionalism... **** that.

****, looks like I'm going to be a horrible doctor.

Hmmm do I screw the heart in counter-clockwise, or clockwise?

 

[crazy_cavalier]

Hello ...

in easy way, does the ( GPA ) in med school can evaluate you as a ( Doctor ) ?

I mean , is it necessary that people who have high grades in the school would become great doctors ?

in contrast, those how have low grades would become bad physicians ?

other thing, after the graduation from med school , does your GPA - in a way or another - can affect your admission in residency programs ?

Thanks .

Salutation! ...

In difficult answer, as a ( Doctor ) from med school evaluation based on the ( GPA ) is not necessary that people with high grades would become great doctors .

in contrast, how low grades those would not become ( bad ) physicians necessarily - but one more thing, important ( high ) good competence for quality in doctoring from ability?

after the graduation from med school ,, GPA in no way or other affect admission.

Welcome .

 

[45408]

GUNNER = Taking down people in an effort to gain an advantage..

Nothing in my statement is gunner...

That's only part of the definition. Your statement was quite gunner.

 

[crazy_cavalier]

That's only part of the definition. Your statement was quite gunner.

Now now, being the best means being the BEST and you can't be subpar at anything. What exactly about that sounds gunner-ish??

 

[AmoryBlaine]

no i dont think high gpa=good doctor at all. some book-smart geniuses out there cant relate to normal people and help them with their health issues worth a crap. good doctor=unique combination of book smarts, street smarts, people skills, motivation, and professionalism

Agreed, with a caveat. What makes a "good doctor" is knowing alot of stuff, or book smarts.

Anyone can have street smarts, people skills, motivation, and people skills. Only certain people can collect the vast amount of medical knowledge and apply it.

Don't sweat your GPA, but don't become one of those medical students who thinks that their "bedside manner" is so good they don't need to worry about the books.

 

[45408]

Now now, being the best means being the BEST and you can't be subpar at anything. What exactly about that sounds gunner-ish??

Doing your best doesn't mean you have to be the best. There's 200 people in my class, and only one of them will be the best. Should the rest of us just quit now and cry?

 

[indo]

Time for me to see how I place on the Good Doctor checklist:
Book smarts... negative
Street smarts... no
People skills... none
Moti-what?... zzzz
Professionalism... **** that.

****, looks like I'm going to be a horrible doctor.

Hmmm do I screw the heart in counter-clockwise, or clockwise?

well, you're gonna wanna rotate the spleen and stomach clockwise. Does that help?

 

[classof2011]

Agreed, with a caveat. What makes a "good doctor" is knowing alot of stuff, or book smarts.

Anyone can have street smarts, people skills, motivation, and people skills. Only certain people can collect the vast amount of medical knowledge and apply it.
Don't sweat your GPA, but don't become one of those medical students who thinks that their "bedside manner" is so good they don't need to worry about the books.

No, I totally disagree with that......not just anyone has or will ever have these factors...I think its just the opposite..I think its easier to assimilate the medical knowledge, and harder to relate to those tons of diverse people (poor, wealthy, black, and yellow) in America. It is a fact that the people with those skills mentioned above always find themselves in better communication with their patients and hence get much better histories which will enable them to apply all that "medical knowledge". What is the fate of a student who graduated from the top of his class and excelled in physio and biochem only to find himself struggling with physician-to-patient social disconnection? You've guessed it, A crappy doctor! And no where near a good doc as caveat mentioned. Thats why most schools are starting to incorporate an "On doctoring" course that will span through all years of medschool


Oh, and BTW, I can guarantee that a doctor with street smarts, people skills, motivation, and people skills, can get by in a hospital much longer than an isolated medical book junky....pure facts🙄 Most medical staff agree that the biggest problem with medical training is getting the students to think like patients (for ex. dropping all those million dollar medical phrases)...Im rantin...dont listen to me

 

[Law2Doc]

Doing your best doesn't mean you have to be the best.

Yes. I'm at a loss as to why this phrase is bewildering people - it's been part of the english language for hundreds of years. Everyone should "do their best". That DOES NOT MEAN they will be the best. In most cases they will not be. It just means you push yourself to whatever extent you can and whatever the results are, they are.😕

 

[AmoryBlaine]

No, I totally disagree with that......not just anyone has or will ever have these factors...I think its just the opposite..I think its easier to assimilate the medical knowledge, and harder to relate to those tons of diverse people (poor, wealthy, black, and yellow) in America. It is a fact that the people with those skills mentioned above always find themselves in better communication with their patients and hence get much better histories which will enable them to apply all that "medical knowledge". What is the fate of a student who graduated from the top of his class and excelled in physio and biochem only to find himself struggling with physician-to-patient social disconnection? You've guessed it, A crappy doctor! And no where near a good doc as caveat mentioned. Thats why most schools are starting to incorporate an "On doctoring" course that will span through all years of medschool


Oh, and BTW, I can guarantee that a doctor with street smarts, people skills, motivation, and people skills, can get by in a hospital much longer than an isolated medical book junky....pure facts🙄 Most medical staff agree that the biggest problem with medical training is getting the students to think like patients (for ex. dropping all those million dollar medical phrases)...Im rantin...dont listen to me

Ok, I won't 😀 . Seriously, I don't think we're really disagreeing here since both aspects are important.

The part that I bolded is one that I have a bit of a problem with. Amidst all this talk of diversity training and sensitivity stuff, it is important not to lose sight of the fact that patients have a hand in their own care.

During my first two years of medical school, I was made to feel like a medical history was something that needed to be teased out of the unwilling patient. Any information not gained was purely the fault of the physician and his lack of sensitivity/communication skills.

This is nonsense. Patients are (for the most part) mentally competent adults. This whole idea that the doc needs to have superhuman powers of empathy and communication skills to rival a Senator is offensive to our patients as rational animals. If you are reasonably professional and accomodating, anything a patient doesn't tell you is their choice and their "fault."

I hear your argument about people struggling in medicine who don't cut it in interpersonal relations. But ask yourself who you'd rather have for a doc...
1. A total jerk who knew pathophysiology, symptom presentation, physical diagnosis, and therapeutics like the back of his hand.
2. A really nice guy who you felt like you could talk to about anything who had barely eeked his way through med school and residency.



Here's hoping we'll all be the whole package,

AB

 

[PH7.4]

We should all be nice to each other.

 

[45408]

1. A total jerk who knew pathophysiology, symptom presentation, physical diagnosis, and therapeutics like the back of his hand.
2. A really nice guy who you felt like you could talk to about anything who had barely eeked his way through med school and residency.

Primary care doc? I'd much rather have #2, especially since I have a pretty healthy body now. Pediatric CT surgeon for my child's congenital heart defect? #1, of course.

 

[Trail Boss]

Hello ...

in easy way, does the ( GPA ) in med school can evaluate you as a ( Doctor ) ?

I mean , is it necessary that people who have high grades in the school would become great doctors ?

in contrast, those how have low grades would become bad physicians ?

other thing, after the graduation from med school , does your GPA - in a way or another - can affect your admission in residency programs ?

Thanks .

Your GPA reflects your ability to get good grades. Provided you work hard, your GPA reflects how smart you are. How smart you are may or may not reflect how good a physician you are. At the extreme, stupid people should not be doctors. At the other extreme, I know a lot of hard working people who are tools, dinguses or both. Most of these people want to be surgeons. That is good, because I would rather have a very good surgeon who is an dingus that an okay surgeon who is nice. In family medicine, I would guess that your quality as a doctor has as much to do with you personality as your smarts. Everyone in an MD program and most people in DO programs are more than smart enough to be good doctors. GPA has more to do with ego than brains once you get into medical school--your patients will not care how many honors you got.

 

[Law2Doc]

Provided you work hard, your GPA reflects how smart you are.

To some extent. But there are more than a few ways to be extract "smartness" and multiple choice tests with convoluted questions are not always the best measure of one's smartness, although they certainly contribute in large part to GPA, and are used in medicine more than I think any other field. I suspect there are brilliant people who test poorly, and not so brilliant people who manage to back into the right answers more often than they should.
It's not an accident that residency directors put greater weight in clinical years and word of mouth than in the basic science course grades.

 

[Allie86]

My gpa only reflects the extent I'd go for an A. It shows that I can cut corners, learn nothing I don't actually 'have' to or like, manipulate, and slave to get what I want.

Commendable?.. nah. But it's what med schools ask for these day, and well.. nice guys finish last.

I can honestly say I've never cheated, and I do think I'd actually make a great doctor.. just because at the end of the day, when I'm volunteering at a hospital and I'm talking to a patient, I get all warm and fuzzy and sappy.. and that has nothing to do with my ability to memorize the Kreb's cycle.. it's just something I love to do.

 

[AmoryBlaine]

My gpa only reflects the extent I'd go for an A. It shows that I can cut corners, learn nothing I don't actually 'have' to or like, manipulate, and slave to get what I want.

Commendable?.. nah. But it's what med schools ask for these day, and well.. nice guys finish last.

I can honestly say I've never cheated, and I do think I'd actually make a great doctor.. just because at the end of the day, when I'm volunteering at a hospital and I'm talking to a patient, I get all warm and fuzzy and sappy.. and that has nothing to do with my ability to memorize the Kreb's cycle.. it's just something I love to do.

Well, refer to my previous post. Getting warm and sappy when talking to a patient is not required to be a good doctor. Knowing things is. At the end of the day, people pay doctors for their knowledge base.

I don't think it's reasonable to say "I have consistently underperformed in academics but I know I can be a great doctor." I'm not accusing Allie of saying that but it is something I've heard before, almost verbatim from several applicants/med students.

In our pre-med experiences with shadowing and volunteering, I think we grossly underestimate the amount of knowledge necessary to be a competent physician.

To people who lament the fact that GPAs/MCAT/Board scores matter I'd ask the question: what do you want admissions committees and PDs to use? Every applicant is sure they'd be a great doctor/resident, there has to be some objective criteria for stratifying them...

 

[Allie86]

Well, refer to my previous post. Getting warm and sappy when talking to a patient is not required to be a good doctor. Knowing things is. At the end of the day, people pay doctors for their knowledge base.

I don't think it's reasonable to say "I have consistently underperformed in academics but I know I can be a great doctor." I'm not accusing Allie of saying that but it is something I've heard before, almost verbatim from several applicants/med students.

In our pre-med experiences with shadowing and volunteering, I think we grossly underestimate the amount of knowledge necessary to be a competent physician.

To people who lament the fact that GPAs/MCAT/Board scores matter I'd ask the question: what do you want admissions committees and PDs to use? Every applicant is sure they'd be a great doctor/resident, there has to be some objective criteria for stratifying them...

I didn't mean that underperformed in anything.. all I said was that nowadays, it feels like to get into the med school you want, you need to get straight As and kill the MCATs.. there is no reason to believe that someone who has Bs knows any less than someone with straight As in the long run.
I think I've gotten one B in my three years of college, all I'm saying is that I don't think that my semi-straight As qualify me to be a doctor as much as the fact that I actually love it.
Knowledge is required, that's a given already, but many know everything and can't hold a patients hand..

 

[classof2011]

I didn't mean that underperformed in anything.. all I said was that nowadays, it feels like to get into the med school you want, you need to get straight As and kill the MCATs.. there is no reason to believe that someone who has Bs knows any less than someone with straight As in the long run.
I think I've gotten one B in my three years of college, all I'm saying is that I don't think that my semi-straight As qualify me to be a doctor as much as the fact that I actually love it.
Knowledge is required, that's a given already, but many know everything and can't hold a patients hand..

True, I think many of us premeds are gonna eat every word we say when we realize that after those grueling basic sciences courses and intros to "real medicine" through clinical rotations that were gonna be doing what they could've taught someone without a highschool diploma (esp....surgeons who are simply hands and map) to do.....just as in any other proffessional environment, the biggest thing that separates your abilities are a piece of paper that says MD.....And thats why nurse practitioners are initiating there own services which is often good as, if not better than a physician's.....Cum on, us premeds are attempting to make ourselves more important than we really are.🙄 But then again I can expect this from people who invest so much time and effort into gettin there!

 

[8744]

Hello ...

in easy way, does the ( GPA ) in med school can evaluate you as a ( Doctor ) ?

I mean , is it necessary that people who have high grades in the school would become great doctors ?

in contrast, those how have low grades would become bad physicians ?

other thing, after the graduation from med school , does your GPA - in a way or another - can affect your admission in residency programs ?

Thanks .

People with higher GPAs are smarter, work harder, or both. Being smart and hard-working are a good predictor of success in any field including medical school and medicine. That's why grades are so important in the application process.

All the other stuff is merely a predictor of how much time you're going to waste exuding empathy on the patient, crying with them, holding their hand, but then sending them to a real doctor for treatment.

The MCAT is important because it helps objectify subjective grading schemes. I got all A's in a series of ridiculously easy organic chemistry classes because the professor didn't believe in grades and gave everybody an A. Somebody else might have worked hard and gotten screwed by an old-school professor who only gives out an A when the planets align correctly.

 

[8744]

No, I totally disagree with that......not just anyone has or will ever have these factors...I think its just the opposite..I think its easier to assimilate the medical knowledge, and harder to relate to those tons of diverse people (poor, wealthy, black, and yellow) in America. It is a fact that the people with those skills mentioned above always find themselves in better communication with their patients and hence get much better histories which will enable them to apply all that "medical knowledge". What is the fate of a student who graduated from the top of his class and excelled in physio and biochem only to find himself struggling with physician-to-patient social disconnection? You've guessed it, A crappy doctor! And no where near a good doc as caveat mentioned. Thats why most schools are starting to incorporate an "On doctoring" course that will span through all years of medschool


Oh, and BTW, I can guarantee that a doctor with street smarts, people skills, motivation, and people skills, can get by in a hospital much longer than an isolated medical book junky....pure facts🙄 Most medical staff agree that the biggest problem with medical training is getting the students to think like patients (for ex. dropping all those million dollar medical phrases)...Im rantin...dont listen to me

Bull****. Total unadulterated, stinking, pure-D bull****. Stop drinking the Koolaide.

Assuming your patient speaks English any American can communicate just fine with any other American. We really do have more in common with each other than you think. Besides, you're not trying to evaluate your patient for possible marrriage to your daughter.

If someone comes to you and says, "My sh$t is dripping," generally you examine them and prescribe an antibiotic. I have yet to hear anybody say, "Excuse me Sahib Doctor Man, but what is being the purpose of these pill that I am for to take and do I ingest or adminster these pill in rectum?"

Man. It's like you guys think that every patient encounter is going to be some kind of gang summit where you discuss issues and solutions to the problems afflicting the community. It's just not like that. Other than the usual pleasantries the patient encouter is mostly focused on the chief complaint. If you want to do more you should eschew medical school for a career in social work.

You are so wrong on about so many things that it's breathtaking.

 

[8744]

No, I totally disagree with that......not just anyone has or will ever have these factors...I think its just the opposite..I think its easier to assimilate the medical knowledge, and harder to relate to those tons of diverse people (poor, wealthy, black, and yellow) in America. It is a fact that the people with those skills mentioned above always find themselves in better communication with their patients and hence get much better histories which will enable them to apply all that "medical knowledge". What is the fate of a student who graduated from the top of his class and excelled in physio and biochem only to find himself struggling with physician-to-patient social disconnection? You've guessed it, A crappy doctor! And no where near a good doc as caveat mentioned. Thats why most schools are starting to incorporate an "On doctoring" course that will span through all years of medschool


Oh, and BTW, I can guarantee that a doctor with street smarts, people skills, motivation, and people skills, can get by in a hospital much longer than an isolated medical book junky....pure facts🙄 Most medical staff agree that the biggest problem with medical training is getting the students to think like patients (for ex. dropping all those million dollar medical phrases)...Im rantin...dont listen to me

Maybe you need to get out into the medical world more. What you get in that situation is an excellent doctor who can actually diagnose and treat the patient but who happens to be akward with some of his patients. Being a little socially inept is no crime. Thinking that empathy can replace knowledge should be.

Come on now. Most people can talk to other people. This is not a special skill that needs to be taught. The idea that white people need special training to talk to black people is patronizing and should be offensive to everyone. And most people are not psychopaths so at the baseline, everybody cares enough about other people to be doctors.

 

[Llenroc]

My grades are below average at my medical school, but I will say that grades do matter because they show objectively how much you studied and what you know. And ultimately that's what matters.

I'll tell you what is bull****: the clerkship evaluations you get 3rd year. Most of these jackasses decide within 5 minutes whether they like you or not, and they write a completely BS evaluation entirely based on that. You could work like a dog for 4 weeks, and still get "student shows no effort" on your evaluation if they became offended that you didn't want be a surgeon exactly like them or if they didn't like the way you comb your hair. It's total bull****. It will make you beg for the good ol' med 1/2 years, where even if you failed an exam at least you knew that you objectively failed it. 👎

 

[Llenroc]

If someone comes to you and says, "My sh$t is dripping," generally you examine them and prescribe an antibiotic. I have yet to hear anybody say, "Excuse me Sahib Doctor Man, but what is being the purpose of these pill that I am for to take and do I ingest or adminster these pill in rectum?"

Sahib! LOL. LOL. That sounds like something they might actually say in India.

 

[sirus_virus]

Maybe you need to get out into the medical world more. What you get in that situation is an excellent doctor who can actually diagnose and treat the patient but who happens to be akward with some of his patients. Being a little socially inept is no crime. Thinking that empathy can replace knowledge should be.

Come on now. Most people can talk to other people. This is not a special skill that needs to be taught. The idea that white people need special training to talk to black people is patronizing and should be offensive to everyone. And most people are not psychopaths so at the baseline, everybody cares enough about other people to be doctors.

I promise you that there are some people that can never learn "people skills". It's one of those things that you almost have to be born with. I've had doctors that I hated as soon as they walked into the room only to find out they were actual gurus in their fields. For me those are bad doctors because I did not feel comfortable around them.

 

[classof2011]

*no need to keep post*

 

[classof2011]

*no need to keep post*

 

[classof2011]

**no need to keep post*

 

[45408]

I think you need to work a lil longer in the medical feild before you embark upon a career so time-consuming, and so socially-demanding as medicine (physicians). Seems to me you've been sippen on mom's little white label.

🙄 He graduated med school in 2004, I think.

 

[Mr. Freeze]

Maybe I'm in left field here, but I think Panda may just be A LITTLE better qualified to speak on matters of patient-doctor interaction, you know, seeing how he IS one.

When do you START medical school? 🙄

 

[AmoryBlaine]

And BTW, panda bear, the reason you have yet to hear someone say the above is because you never made them feel comfortable enough...you didnt do your job...a patient should feel confident enough to tell you (and ask) everything...What if a person didnt feel comfortable telling an anesthesiologist that they just ate 3 hours ago....3 hours before surgery/ the patient aspirates during surgery/ the patient dies/ its considered the anesthesiologist's fault/ suit case/ suspension of license/ considered by the world as a crappy doctor.....Cum on now, proper communication is key, and not everyone has these skills

Now let me not lie and say that grades are not apart of physician success; it is merely a piece of the physician makeup puzzle.

Wow, prepare to get eaten. That person is an idiot, if the anesthesiologist asks the question the patient should answer it. It's not like a question about recent sex partners or advanced directives.

Panda is worth listening to, and he is backing me up on this one. You owe it to your patients to be professional and courteous, if you accomplish that then you have done your job. If your patient is from a culture where he/she has certain expectations, it is not your job to go study national geographic so you can "do the interview right." We are not diplomats nor are we sociologists. What about patients from relatively machismo cultures, should we be "sensitive" to them by not "forcing" them to be exposed to female medical students? I guarantee you many patients would be happy to kick all the women off their healthcare team in favor of the men.

Those of you who are pre-meds/pre-clinicals are going to learn the truth of Panda's statements soon enough. While I by no means agree with everything he has ever said he is spot on on this issue. Just wait until you meet your first smelly drunk arsehole with a perirectal abscess - "cultural competency" only applies to the swab you stick into his open wound.

 

[AmoryBlaine]

Maybe you need to get out into the medical world more. What you get in that situation is an excellent doctor who can actually diagnose and treat the patient but who happens to be akward with some of his patients. Being a little socially inept is no crime. Thinking that empathy can replace knowledge should be.

Come on now. Most people can talk to other people. This is not a special skill that needs to be taught. The idea that white people need special training to talk to black people is patronizing and should be offensive to everyone. And most people are not psychopaths so at the baseline, everybody cares enough about other people to be doctors.

Requesting permission to put that on a t-shirt.

Those of you who are pre-meds/pre-clinicals: if you don't believe this philosophy is rampant just keep your ears open. You won't be far into medical school before you hear someone say, "I might struggle with this book learning, but I'm going to be a great doctor because I have such good people skills." Yeah well, so does the lady that swipes my credit card at the grocery store.

 

[LJDHC05]

you just jumped off a boat with a rope tied around your leg..

I think you need to work a lil longer in the medical feild before you embark upon a career so time-consuming, and so socially-demanding as medicine (physicians). Seems to me you've been sippen on mom's little white label.

Looks like someone forgot to look down and see where the rope was actually tied. I'm really looking forward to when panda tells the pre-med that he's a EM resident in the most gentle manner...

oh, sorry to ruin the ending. I'll pay for the popcorn to make up for it.

 

[45408]

Wow, prepare to get eaten. That person is an idiot, if the anesthesiologist asks the question the patient should answer it. It's not like a question about recent sex partners or advanced directives.

Eh, patients are fully capable of being idiots. I saw a middle-aged woman argue with an orthopedic surgeon and an anesthesiologist that she should be able to have her operation, even though she had had breakfast, this being after she told her husband to shut up. She argued, whined, and when they didn't budge, she cried. Nothing.

 

[classof2011]

Looks like someone forgot to look down and see where the rope was actually tied. I'm really looking forward to when panda tells the pre-med that he's a EM resident in the most gentle manner...

oh, sorry to ruin the ending. I'll pay for the popcorn to make up for it.

Im so glad everyone decided to be nut-hangers for Panda.....And also, how stupid of me to argue with someone with such credentials.....EM physicians dont get that much time with patients anyway!, Its understandable why he thinks the way he does...oops my bad, forgive me😀

I wonder how many cardiologists who spends long periods of time doing pricedures, think like that🙄