Does your school require an OMM rotation?

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My school does not, but for those who aren't OMT oriented and elect not to do a rotation (like me) there are specific OMT requirements that need to be completed each semester during 3rd, and I presume 4th year. Things like OMT case finding and procedure logs, attending CME in OMT, shadowing OMT docs etc. It's not much, and we have a pretty good list of options to pick from; it's not difficult to find things that work with the hectic schedule. But there definitely are requirements.

So it got me wondering, are there schools out there that require students to complete an OMM rotation? Or are there maybe schools that don't require anything with regards to OMT after 2nd year?

I'm guessing COCA has some sort of standard(s) in this regard but I'm not familiar enough to know for sure.

Anyway, just curious. Feel free to share how your school handles OMT in the 3rd and 4th years.
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COMP requires an OMM rotation.
 
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When you say an OMM rotation, do you mean one where the doc only does OMT? Or can it be an FP doc that doesn't hate OMM?
 
metopic said:
When you say an OMM rotation, do you mean one where the doc only does OMT? Or can it be an FP doc that doesn't hate OMM?
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I'm talking about a rotation with a doc that focuses on OMT. I guess there are "FP's" by training out there that have OMT clinic days and stuff. But I'm asking about a rotation in OMM, not FM with a doc that uses OMT where he/she can.
 
OMM roation is listed as a 4th year elective at NSU-COM. I didn't realize that it is a required rotation at certain schools.
 
DCOM doesn't, but at some point we have to take the OMM comat.
 
PNWU does and I **** you not I was doing cranial on EVERY patient and everytime I made up some findings or did a fake treatment and was told I was correct.
 
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sylvanthus said:
PNWU does and I **** you not I was doing cranial on EVERY patient and everytime I made up some findings or did a fake treatment and was told I was correct.
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I bet you got so good at feeling CRI that you could feel it through their hallux.
 
I *think* RVU requires one... but I'm not 100%, it might be optional...
 
sylvanthus said:
PNWU does and I **** you not I was doing cranial on EVERY patient and everytime I made up some findings or did a fake treatment and was told I was correct.
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wow. that is terrible. i would be extremely pissed off if my school required me to complete a rotation in OMT.
 
NYITCOM doesn't require one. We do take the OMM COMAT at the end of 3rd year.
 
randomusername said:
A lecture or two during didactics as a third year. Haven't dealt with it as a fourth year.
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Thanks. Good to know. That's a relief, actually. I never really looked into it, I honestly just assumed they have a required OMM rotation because of the students rotating at the MWU clinics across the street.
 
I remember doing one at une. Easy, best hours ever. You could choose who to work with... Some did cranial, some hvla, some only muscle energy. It was actually pretty good and nice and chill. Did a lot of musculoskeletal stuff which they tied into the anatomy well.
 
NeuroLAX said:
OMM roation is listed as a 4th year elective at NSU-COM. I didn't realize that it is a required rotation at certain schools.
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I didn't realize it wasn't required everywhere. Figured it would be an AOA 'osteopathic identity' hot button, but given how hard it is to find preceptors, I can see why some school's wouldn't bother.
 
Oh well. A hoop I need to jump through at COMP.
 
It's interesting how branches of the same school have differing requirements. E.g. ATSU KCOM requires OMT while SOMA does not
 
babdoc said:
It's interesting how branches of the same school have differing requirements. E.g. ATSU KCOM requires OMT while SOMA does not
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Is there really enough patient demand to support very many pure OMT doctors outside of historic DO strongholds?
 
metopic said:
Is there really enough patient demand to support very many pure OMT doctors outside of historic DO strongholds?
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The ones here in California seem to be doing pretty good. If you have a large enough client base you can make bank. Very little overhead with a patient population that is often willing to pay cash for services that may not be covered by insurance.

1) Become a DO
2) Complete a NMM/OMM residency
3) ???
4) Profit
 
Oo Cipher oO said:
The ones here in California seem to be doing pretty good. If you have a large enough client base you can make bank. Very little overhead with a patient population that is often willing to pay cash for services that may not be covered by insurance.

1) Become a DO
2) Complete a NMM/OMM residency
3) ???
4) Profit
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yup; I know the OMM docs at COMP are up to their elbows in patients.
 
GUH said:
yup; I know the OMM docs at COMP are up to their elbows in patients.
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At the school OMM clinic or faculty in private practice in the surrounding area? The OMM docs at NSU's campus clinic are up to their eyeballs in patients as well, but wasn't the previous question about there being enough OMM/NMM trained docs in the surrounding area to support everyone rotating for 2-4 weeks? I'm curious because there are about 230 of us here and I doubt that there are enough strictly OMM/NMM docs in the area to support that many students. This could explain why I don't have to do an OMM/NMM rotation.
 
as much controversy as there is behind OMT, has anyone ever looked into pursuing a residency in it?






-no on call
-$$$ (so i am told)
-chill residency
-high patient satisfaction





the only thing missing is "prestige" and this would be the SDN pre-med's wet dream.
 
SurgeDO said:
as much controversy as there is behind OMT, has anyone ever looked into pursuing a residency in it?






-no on call
-$$$ (so i am told)
-chill residency
-high patient satisfaction





the only thing missing is "prestige" and this would be the SDN pre-med's wet dream.
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You can't get hospital privileges/on insurance panels/jobs in things not OMM though with just an OMM residency. I think the smarter path is an FP residency with a 1 year fellowship in OMM if that's what you want to do. Frankly I think OMM is silly but whatever.
 
NeuroLAX said:
At the school OMM clinic or faculty in private practice in the surrounding area? The OMM docs at NSU's campus clinic are up to their eyeballs in patients as well, but wasn't the previous question about there being enough OMM/NMM trained docs in the surrounding area to support everyone rotating for 2-4 weeks? I'm curious because there are about 230 of us here and I doubt that there are enough strictly OMM/NMM docs in the area to support that many students. This could explain why I don't have to do an OMM/NMM rotation.
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Both. The OMM clinic at Western is pretty much running with 1.5 FTE/day (1 physician all day and then another in either the morning or afternoon) most days and there are several community physicians either doing just OMM or primary care with a good portion of OMM.
 
UMDNJ-SOM (*cough*) sorry, Rowan SOM requires a 2 week OMM rotation during 3rd year.

From what I'm hearing, the OMM '+1' fellowships are actually very competitive - both because there are so few spots and because doing the fellowships apparently is a major advantage in terms of getting into the best PM&R residencies.

That said, as far as I can tell most people end up doing FM with the OMM fellowship or pursuing combined FM/OMM residencies.
 
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WCUCOM requires an OMM rotation in third year.
 
In general on the West Coast, I've heard people outside of medical school complain about how hard it is to get in with an OMM doc, in LA, Bay Area, Seattle area... The competition probably makes it pretty easy to keep business going and operate on a cash-only basis.
 
SLC said:
My school does not, but for those who aren't OMT oriented and elect not to do a rotation (like me) there are specific OMT requirements that need to be completed each semester during 3rd, and I presume 4th year. Things like OMT case finding and procedure logs, attending CME in OMT, shadowing OMT docs etc. It's not much, and we have a pretty good list of options to pick from; it's not difficult to find things that work with the hectic schedule. But there definitely are requirements.

So it got me wondering, are there schools out there that require students to complete an OMM rotation? Or are there maybe schools that don't require anything with regards to OMT after 2nd year?

I'm guessing COCA has some sort of standard(s) in this regard but I'm not familiar enough to know for sure.

Anyway, just curious. Feel free to share how your school handles OMT in the 3rd and 4th years.
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While In the past COCA was lax about the following of OMM/OPP throughout all 4yearsof the curriculum, they are beginning to demand Accountability in Osteopathic schools. new schools must demonstrate that it is carried through out all 4years in the curriculum. So not requiring an OMM rotation in 3rd and 4th year or demonstrating the curriculum emphasizes it in primary cares rotations in all 4years is almost guaranteed to get COCA censure
 
dermpathdoc said:
While In the past COCA was lax about the following of OMM/OPP throughout all 4yearsof the curriculum, they are beginning to demand Accountability in Osteopathic schools. new schools must demonstrate that it is carried through out all 4years in the curriculum. So not requiring an OMM rotation in 3rd and 4th year or demonstrating the curriculum emphasizes it in primary cares rotations in all 4years is almost guaranteed to get COCA censure
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My program makes us take OMM exams related to each rotation, and we still have to find patients to treat and submit case wrote ups. We also have to attend CME and review JAOA articles.

If we elect to do a rotation, we don't have to do some of the case wrote ups on other rotations or attend the CME workshops.
 
SLC said:
My program makes us take OMM exams related to each rotation, and we still have to find patients to treat and submit case wrote ups. We also have to attend CME and review JAOA articles.

If we elect to do a rotation, we don't have to do some of the case wrote ups on other rotations or attend the CME workshops.
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:dead: Overkill.
 
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