Doesn't affirmative action enhance stereotypes in admissions?

[FutureBenCarson]

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Rich people, regardless of race, tend to come from rich places. The rich population is typically the most medically overserved, because they overpay for medical care (poor people get it for free). Rich people are more willing and likely to practice in rich areas, where the demand for doctors is highest (rich people in rich areas pay them extra to practice over there). Achievements from high SES individuals should be taken with more impact since they typically have much less extrinsic motivation and work at hospitals not because they need to to support their families, but because medicine is a higher calling for them. And still find time to fit in studying, research, etc, because they're actually good at time management.

ok thanks man

 

[raindropx]

Rich people, regardless of race, tend to come from rich places. The rich population is typically the most medically overserved, because they overpay for medical care (poor people get it for free). Rich people are more willing and likely to practice in rich areas, where the demand for doctors is highest (rich people in rich areas pay them extra to practice over there). Achievements from high SES individuals should be taken with more impact since they typically have much less extrinsic motivation and work at hospitals not because they need to to support their families, but because medicine is a higher calling for them. And still find time to fit in studying, research, etc, because they're actually good at time management.

no, nope, and who knows.

 

[efle]

Yeah, seems like the argument would go the other way regarding motive - people that already come from money have less need to earn the highest pay

 

[raindropx]

Yeah, seems like the argument would go the other way regarding motive - people that already come from money have less need to earn the highest pay

they have a high need to maintain that money

 

[raindropx]

someeebody is a spoon fed rich person who has no idea what it's like to go without lol

on the contrary, I am quite the opposite.

 

[efle]

they have a high need to maintain that money

Hah, fair point, guess it depends just how much wealth we're talking about. Couple of my premed friends here have their tuition payed by a trust fund and will never have to consider the cost of anything no matter where they end up.

someeebody is a spoon fed rich person who has no idea what it's like to go without lol

who is that addressed to

 

[ranob]

ransnob

Medicine is full of rich snobs. You don't like it, find another career. Might I recommend burger flipping. You'll find plenty of humble people there.

Edit: No disrespect intended for burger flippers. Some of my best friends flip burgers. I just find it really annoying when people butcher my name...

 

[ZedsDed]

I like their way better rather than all this stocking closets as means of "patient care experiences" and other box checking crap premeds do here. It holds little value in my opinion. Anyone can spin a story about wanting to work with underserved after a few well planned soup kitchen gigs. I like the entrance exam score idea as long as its coupled with interviews and letters of recs

I still maintain that the majority of premeds would never volunteer a day in their life if they weren't under the impression that such behavior is expected of them.

 

[raindropx]

Medicine is full of rich snobs. You don't like it, find another career. Might I recommend burger flipping. You'll find plenty of humble people there.

do you have a problem with people who flip burgers? Don't disrespect others based on careers.

 

[ZedsDed]

Medicine is full of rich snobs. You don't like it, find another career. Might I recommend burger flipping. You'll find plenty of humble people there.

You sound like you have little life experience outside of the highest economic strata. How do you know what the motivations of poor people are?

Edit: I missed the /s

 

[Lawpy]

In this thread, a curious @FutureBenCarson, a Socratic @efle, a watchful @Cyberdyne 101 and a patient @Goro.

Yet today's winner is @raindropx who somehow managed to get 50 posts in 4 hours. 😵

 

[raindropx]

In this thread, a curious @FutureBenCarson, a Socratic @efle, a watchful @Cyberdyne 101 and a patient @Goro.

Yet today's winner is @raindropx who somehow managed to get 50 posts in 4 hours. 😵

my prize?

 

[efle]

I still maintain that the majority of premeds would never volunteer a day in their life if they weren't under the impression that such behavior is expected of them.

I think many would volunteer if they had significant free time and could do something they actually enjoyed

You sound like you have little life experience outside of the highest economic strata. How do you know what the motivations of poor people are?

Edit: I missed the /s

Everyone knows poor people live life to commit crimes and be addicted to drugs

In this thread, a curious @FutureBenCarson, a Socratic @efle, a watchful @Cyberdyne 101 and a patient @Goro.

Yet today's winner is @raindropx who somehow managed to get 50 posts in 4 hours. 😵

But what about my posting style makes it Socratic? Do I ask guiding questions?

my prize?

 

[raindropx]

I think many would volunteer if they had significant free time and could do something they actually enjoyed



Everyone knows poor people live life to commit crimes and be addicted to drugs


But what about my posting style makes it Socratic? Do I ask guiding questions?

I choose to donate it to efle and Ben

 

[FutureBenCarson]

I think many would volunteer if they had significant free time and could do something they actually enjoyed



Everyone knows poor people live life to commit crimes and be addicted to drugs


But what about my posting style makes it Socratic? Do I ask guiding questions?

I'm addicted to drugs lol

 

[Lawpy]

But what about my posting style makes it Socratic? Do I ask guiding questions?

Nope. You just argue about everything. 😉

my prize?

 

[raindropx]

Nope. You just argue about everything. 😉

I like efle's option better but ty

 

[Lawpy]

I like efle's option better but ty

Sigh. efle is the Scooby Doo team to my ingenuity.

 

[ZedsDed]

I think many would volunteer if they had significant free time and could do something they actually enjoyed

Well, you are entitled to your optimism.

 

[FutureBenCarson]

way off topic. But I found this hilarious

 

[efle]

Nope. You just argue about everything. 😉

No I don't

I like efle's option better

Well, you are entitled to your optimism.

And I'm usually the cynic! Back in high school I had several friends and my gf who did it, and I think it was out of really enjoying it since they were interested in art school and CC transfers, not gunning for Ivy or some such

 

[raindropx]

Well, you are entitled to your optimism.

I would actually agree with efle. I dislike stocking closets at hospitals but helping in nursing homes, tutoring, homeless shelter where I can actually help is better.

 

[Lawpy]

And if you guys are talking about healthcare, it'll be fun. Scandinavian countries are not that great as Sanders, Trump and others make it seem to be. There's a lot more involved besides the reduced drug costs and greater insurance coverage.

 

[raindropx]

And if you guys are talking about healthcare, it'll be fun. Scandinavian countries are not that great as Sanders, Trump and others make it seem to be. There's a lot more involved besides the reduced drug costs and greater insurance coverage.

do share your wisdom

 

[Lawpy]

do share your wisdom

Don't have a whiteboard with me, sorry 🙁

 

[raindropx]

In this thread, a curious @FutureBenCarson, a Socratic @efle, a watchful @Cyberdyne 101 and a patient @Goro.

Yet today's winner is @raindropx who somehow managed to get 50 posts in 4 hours. 😵

wasn't aware we were being watched by cyberdyne

 

[efle]

Don't have a whiteboard with me, sorry 🙁

That, plus there is no good argument to be had...it's even better than people make it out to be

 

[efle]

Cyber just reads until an opportunity arises to share his dank memes

 

[FutureBenCarson]

I'm just here to be cute

 

[Lawpy]

That, plus there is no good argument to be had...it's even better than people make it out to be

The argument for even supporting the Scandinavian system is inadequate and inaccurate. There really isn't a correct way to solve the problem, but the Scandinavian approach is far from effective.

But it's hard to make a concrete point using strictly words and random pdfs of reports.

I'm just here to be cute

@Glazedonutlove beat you. Sorry.

 

[efle]

The argument for even supporting the Scandinavian system is inadequate and inaccurate. There really isn't a correct way to solve the problem, but the Scandinavian approach is far from effective.

Every system has its problems, but ours much worse.

 

[Lawpy]

Every system has its problems, but ours much worse.

If we're comparing US to EU/UK/Scandinavia, then yes, US is worse. By far. It's disastrous. I know. I'm just rejecting the notion that the Scandinavian system is the most effective solution.

 

[efle]

If we're comparing US to EU/UK/Scandinavia, then yes, US is worse. By far. It's disastrous. I know. I'm just rejecting the notion that the Scandinavian system is the most effective solution.

What do you think is a superior system to universal single payer?

 

[raindropx]

If we're comparing US to EU/UK/Scandinavia, then yes, US is worse. By far. It's disastrous. I know. I'm just rejecting the notion that the Scandinavian system is the most effective solution.

what else is there? the single payer like medicare would work well

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

Cyber just reads until an opportunity arises to share his dank memes

😉

 

[ZedsDed]

And I'm usually the cynic! Back in high school I had several friends and my gf who did it, and I think it was out of really enjoying it since they were interested in art school and CC transfers, not gunning for Ivy or some such

It's an interesting paradox that AdCom's at certain top schools want the ambitious gunner and empathetic nightingale rolled up into one package.

 

[raindropx]

It's an interesting paradox that AdCom's at certain top schools want the ambitious gunner and empathetic nightingale rolled up into one package.

I think you misunderstand gunner

 

[ZedsDed]

I think you misunderstand gunner

Not at all. Individuals who are overly ambitious are willing to do whatever it takes to get into med school, up to and including thousands of hours volunteering. This process, by it's very nature, will attract a fair amount of applicants who are more interested in prestige than patients.

 

[raindropx]

Not at all. Individuals who are overly ambitious are willing to do whatever it takes to get into med school, up to and including thousands of hours volunteering. This process, by it's very nature, will attract a fair amount of applicants who are more interested in prestige than patients.

gunners want to watch others fail; ambitious people don't necessarily share this

 

[ZedsDed]

gunners want to watch others fail; ambitious people don't necessarily share this

A more common definition would be that they are willing to watch others fail so that they may succeed.
Certain kinds of people encapsulate this characteristic.

 

[Glazedonutlove]

Why am I tagged

 

[Lawpy]

Why am I tagged

I'm just here to be cute

@Glazedonutlove beat you. Sorry.

^

What do you think is a superior system to universal single payer?

what else is there? the single payer like medicare would work well

Again, there isn't one system really "superior" to another. It's just that the US healthcare system is a disaster. Free-market healthcare resolves many issues that single payer has, but has its own problems as well.

 

[raindropx]

^




Again, there isn't one system really "superior" to another. It's just that the US healthcare system is a disaster. Free-market healthcare resolves many issues that single payer has, but has its own problems as well.

are you in med school?

 

[raindropx]

Why am I tagged

@Lawper thinks you're cute

 

[WingedOx]

^




Again, there isn't one system really "superior" to another. It's just that the US healthcare system is a disaster. Free-market healthcare resolves many issues that single payer has, but has its own problems as well.

Why is this thread still alive?

 

[efle]

The healthcare market will never function as a free market

 

[ZedsDed]

The healthcare market will never function as a free market

Oh snap, the Randians are gonna come down on you.

 

[efle]

Oh snap, the Randians are gonna come down on you.

Above all other reasons, it will never be possible for the everyman to be informed enough to operate correctly under free market principles regarding their health and treatment options. Arrow wasn't right on every point, but on several there is simply no argument to be made.

 

[Glazedonutlove]

~

 

[Lawpy]

The healthcare market will never function as a free market

Just like any market won't function as a free market... Free market is an ideal greatest good but is always impossible to achieve in reality because of inherent human imperfections.

Above all other reasons, it will never be possible for the everyman to be informed enough to operate correctly under free market principles regarding their health and treatment options. Arrow wasn't right on every point, but on several there is simply no argument to be made.

Arrow's central arguments were fine. The problem is they are exaggerated to justify unnecessarily extensive government intervention. It's just a subset to a flawed theory that the government is the remedy to market failure.

The underlying issue in all this is whether people who use healthcare the most should pay more, since greater consumption leads to increased demand and higher costs. It just so happened that the primary consumers are the poor and elderly.