Doing bad things for good grades...

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jkurtz02 said:
Ok how about everyone be honest with themselves and I guarantee there is a professor or two that you wouldn't need the good grade incentive to do something like this. I will be the first to admit I had a very attractive psych professor who I would more than like to have "gotten to know" if I met them at a bar and not in class.

And using murder as the example of how ends don't justify the means is about the worst example you can use...self defense.
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Exactly with regards to the last 2 lines of your post. Same with stealing being a bad example. One can argue that a poor person on the streets esp. in developing nations sometimes are put in a position where stealing is the only way to get food short of begging esp. when we have untrained little kids on the road. So its not that black and white. Rape, that's another issue altogether. there is nothing in the world I can believe that can justify that.
 
gujuDoc said:
Exactly with regards to the last 2 lines of your post. Same with stealing being a bad example. One can argue that a poor person on the streets esp. in developing nations sometimes are put in a position where stealing is the only way to get food short of begging esp. when we have untrained little kids on the road. So its not that black and white. Rape, that's another issue altogether. there is nothing in the world I can believe that can justify that.
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Fine, but you're just playing games now. Ethically, the question comes down to whether or not a prudent person exercising good judgment would engage in a sexual act with a person in authority in order to gain a favor from that individual considering the possible pros and cons for each individual involved as well as the pros and cons for society at large based upon the results of that action. In addition, we could go the morality route if we really wanted, but that's full of "it's relative" arguments from some individuals.
From a Kantian perspective, the OP used an individual for her own (professional) gain and he used her for his own (sexual) gain. The short version would be that since this is essentially using another human being as an object to attain a goal (as opposed to in the context of a relationship contributing to a cooperative goal), this is ethically wrong.
The utilitarian argument is essentially what I wrote above (pros and cons). Either way, it's wrong.
Of course, professional and academic ethics and integrity codes also prohibit such conduct.
 
Dear Jkurtz...

Murder:

Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation.

A little different from "self-defense" me thinks...
 
this thread should be called "Doing naughty things for good grades"
 
SketchsaurusRex said:
BJs for A's? 👎 Respect yourself more or something. Oh, and I feel obligated to tell you that you'll make a terrible doctor.
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I think she'd be a great doctor, and an even better classmate 👍.
 
mipp0 said:
Dear Jkurtz...

Murder:

Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation.

A little different from "self-defense" me thinks...
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In the terms the person was using it wasn't a legal definition of murder it was killing a person. Does saving yourself (ends) justify the means (killing someone).
 
OMG!!!! What are you people talking about? There was no intercourse, and nothing else counts!!! I'm still as pure as a virgin, because I AM A VIRGIN. And I can't believe someone mentioned Kant... he's the most ridiculous person whose works I had the displeasure of reading!!! Shame on you!
 
Slobbing on his knob isn't intercourse honey.
 
chairs said:
OMG!!!! What are you people talking about? There was no intercourse, and nothing else counts!!! I'm still as pure as a virgin, because I AM A VIRGIN. And I can't believe someone mentioned Kant... he's the most ridiculous person whose works I had the displeasure of reading!!! Shame on you!
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You sound like Bill Clinton.
 
What Bill Clinton did with that woman was immoral. He was married, which means that he was blessed by the Lord to lead a certain lifestyle and keep certain responsibilities. He did not do what he did to fulfill some higher purpose, like defend his country or something like that. You can't compare him to me, you just can't.
 
This thread is weird. I can't tell if we're trolling her/him or if we're being trolled.
 
chairs said:
OMG!!!! What are you people talking about? There was no intercourse, and nothing else counts!!! I'm still as pure as a virgin, because I AM A VIRGIN. And I can't believe someone mentioned Kant... he's the most ridiculous person whose works I had the displeasure of reading!!! Shame on you!
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Whoaaaa...way too much information!!!

I don't think any sane person would discuss their virginity in this manner over the internet.

I smell a Troll....

Anyway....
[YOUTUBE]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKHDujFUn6Q
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You're rude, and that's enough for me to tell you to shut up. Anyway, I made this thread when I needed to let things out and consider a hypothetical situation. There's nothing left to discuss here!!!
 
Words fail me. Fortunately, I only teach sexless homunculi who only become men and women after my final grades have been turned in.
 
Chemdude said:
Whoaaaa...way too much information!!!

I don't think any sane person would discuss their virginity in this manner over the internet.

I smell a Troll....

Anyway....
[YOUTUBE]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKHDujFUn6Q
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Nobody knows me here and this makes me free to discuss whatever I deem necessary. If you were a girl, you would feel extremely offended too if people accused you of certain things. Some people don't care, but I do, and you should respect that!
 
chairs said:
Nobody knows me here and this makes me free to discuss whatever I deem necessary. If you were a girl, you would feel extremely offended too if people accused you of certain things. Some people don't care, but I do, and you should respect that!
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You would be surprised to know that some people can figure out who you are even if you think that you have an anonymous username. I speak from experience...

Anyway, I still think you're a troll.
 
Chemdude said:
I have never heard this terminology before. Does it mean what I think it means?
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yes. exactly what you think it means.

chairs said:
You're rude, and that's enough for me to tell you to shut up. Anyway, I made this thread when I needed to let things out and consider a hypothetical situation. There's nothing left to discuss here!!!
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wait wait. im confused. by hypothetical do you mean potential? Or is this just a general question about a certain topic? Your posts confuse me, especially the one about God leading you to doing something. I dunno, either way I don't think the ends justify the means, especially as a doctor, and ESPECIALLY as a religious person...
 
first thing through the prof's head after being asked by student to write LOR: "i didn't think it was physically possible, but this situation both sucks and blows."

he would probably mention what a fast learner she was and how she attached herself to any situation where success was in the near future. also that she was persistant, even in the hardest of situations until the job was finished.


i'm going to have to delete this post, aren't I...
 
apumic said:
Fine, but you're just playing games now. Ethically, the question comes down to whether or not a prudent person exercising good judgment would engage in a sexual act with a person in authority in order to gain a favor from that individual considering the possible pros and cons for each individual involved as well as the pros and cons for society at large based upon the results of that action. In addition, we could go the morality route if we really wanted, but that's full of "it's relative" arguments from some individuals.
From a Kantian perspective, the OP used an individual for her own (professional) gain and he used her for his own (sexual) gain. The short version would be that since this is essentially using another human being as an object to attain a goal (as opposed to in the context of a relationship contributing to a cooperative goal), this is ethically wrong.
The utilitarian argument is essentially what I wrote above (pros and cons). Either way, it's wrong.
Of course, professional and academic ethics and integrity codes also prohibit such conduct.
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I don't really care about the original situation. Just pointing out my thoughts on why stealing and killing in certain instances are not blck and white.
 
Can someone rename this thread to: "Help, I'm a *****."
 
mipp0 said:
Dear Jkurtz...

Murder:

Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation.

A little different from "self-defense" me thinks...
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In the US this is true but in other countries I'm sure they would not consider it necessarily their definition. and also even in this country sometimes people who are doing it in self defense or provoked through years of physical/sexual abuse don't always get to argue self defense but arguably they should be able to considering the torture and stuff they've been put through. otherwise why are several abuse victims always getting manslaughter charges against them.
 
chairs said:
*Technically* it doesn't even count as you know what... I prayed on my knees all the time, but it wasn't working out, not this time. I thought I needed to take direct action and let His grace guide me. If it weren't meant to happen, it wouldn't have happened. I don't think there's anything bad in it. Not that anything happened. Clearly this is hypothetical.
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Sarah Palin is that you?

Everytime I read this I laugh.

"If it weren't meant to happen, it wouldn't have happened. I don't think there's anything bad in it. Not that anything happened. Clearly this is hypothetical."
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Cue scooby doo, "rut ro... R-okay Raggy!"
 
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OP- you might wanna think about cooling it here... the Internets aren't really that anonymous

FYI.. Deleting your posts doesn't actually delete them (google cache)
 
This is the same person who in another thread claimed she dated a doctor while she was a volunteer.
(S)he's obviously a troll.
 
YouNeverKnow22 said:
this thread is useless without pictures
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This should help you bro.


The Prof:

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Chairs the OP:

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mdlyfe4me said:
first thing through the prof's head after being asked by student to write LOR: "i didn't think it was physically possible, but this situation both sucks and blows."

he would probably mention what a fast learner she was and how she attached herself to any situation where success was in the near future. also that she was persistant, even in the hardest of situations until the job was finished.


i'm going to have to delete this post, aren't I...
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Nope, not yet. Still here.
 
Lamest.

Thread.

Ever.

Several posts are deleted, probably the ones with the good stuff.
 
SketchsaurusRex said:
somebody man up and confess already. jeez.
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One of my professors had a student offer to do pretty much anything for an A (before he taught at my school)..he valued his job, reputation, and integrity too much though
 
so this thread is really confusing.
can we just get to the main point.


OP had oral sex or intercourse with her prof?
how much improvement did she get for her grade?


nasty.
 
....please don't ever say God wanted you to do what you did, ever again.
 
gujuDoc said:
In the US this is true but in other countries I'm sure they would not consider it necessarily their definition. and also even in this country sometimes people who are doing it in self defense or provoked through years of physical/sexual abuse don't always get to argue self defense but arguably they should be able to considering the torture and stuff they've been put through. otherwise why are several abuse victims always getting manslaughter charges against them.
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I'm confused. Self defense has nothing to do with being provoked; it comes into play when there is an imminent danger to you. And you answered your own question: abuse victims who kill their abusers are often convicted of manslaughter instead of murder, because the courts/juries often take the circumstances into consideration.

Also, the OP is a troll.
 
"Give me some h***, that'll really piss'em off!"
 
DoktorB said:
One of my professors had a student offer to do pretty much anything for an A (before he taught at my school)..he valued his job, reputation, and integrity too much though
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I don't. ****, I should be a professor.
 
Hilarious on all accounts. I wonder how many people in the history of SDN have done that...
 
OP, the simple answer is that you shouldn't do "bad" things for an A or anything for that matter.

The fact that you even thought about posting this thread shows that you may be having your doubts. This may also mean that you may feel horrible afterward which could affect your health, sense of worth, pride of a future acceptance, whatever.

You shouldn't do it because it is foolish for a person like you who acknowledges the deed would be "bad."

If it were the case for some of the previous poster, then it would be a different situation. :meanie:

PS. I vote lock the thread because it is getting too off topic and a bit raunchy for Pre-Allo. Consider moving it to the lounge. 😛
 
mdlyfe4me said:
first thing through the prof's head after being asked by student to write LOR: "i didn't think it was physically possible, but this situation both sucks and blows."

he would probably mention what a fast learner she was and how she attached herself to any situation where success was in the near future. also that she was persistant, even in the hardest of situations until the job was finished.


i'm going to have to delete this post, aren't I...
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LOL!!! That was an amazing post! I think the OP should suggest her prof send that out as his LOR for her; it seems just perrrfect.

Actually...looks like he already did:

ChairsProfessor said:
Dr. Smith
Generic State University
5010 Main Street, Genriville, GE 10101

Office of Medical Admissions
Harvard Medical School
25 Shattuck Street
Boston, MA 02115


To Whom It May Concern:


It is rare that I have come across such a student as Ms. Chair. She is truly a remarkable woman. You would not believe the way she performs, both in and out of class. She has been one of my best teaching, research, and office assistants to date. She is always available to fulfill my every need.
I have found her general desire to engage every opportunity truly pleasurable. Out of all the students in her Human Anatomy and Physiology II class, which she took from me, she was the only one to approach me requesting to do work above and beyond that required by the course. She had a specific research project concerning human anatomy in mind. After meeting with her, we decided I would mentor her throughout this course of research and study. During this project, I was especially impressed by Ms. Chair's ability to quickly and adeptly learn new research methods.
During the course of Ms. Chair's study, there were several times when it seemed we were getting nowhere. At times, no matter how she tried or how much support I offered, the project seemed hung up. It is only to her merit that Ms. Chair continued to press on. As a result, time and again, Ms. Chair was successful in her research under my tutelage.
It is with great joy that I wholeheartedly and highly recommend Ms. Chair to your medical school. She has been one of the best students I have had the opportunity to teach and mentor during my past 20 years at this fine institution. I do hope you too will have the opportunity to be blessed by her hard work and adeptness with her research and clinical skills.


Sincerely,

Dr. Smith, Ph.D.

(714) 394-2049
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chairs said:
OMG!!!! What are you people talking about? There was no intercourse, and nothing else counts!!! I'm still as pure as a virgin, because I AM A VIRGIN. And I can't believe someone mentioned Kant... he's the most ridiculous person whose works I had the displeasure of reading!!! Shame on you!
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(Post cleansed to be PG...err PG-13...again...)

LOL.
Umm... well, technically, no, your "praying" doesn't mean you lost your virginity, but practically speaking it does. According to the article "Am I Still A Virgin?" (a lit review of Seventeen Magazine, attached below), what you did is the closest thing to losing one's virginity without crossing the line, surpassing another act done by others in the population in closeness to losing one's virginity (according to the apparent beliefs of magazine authors and letter writers). Essentially, they hold to a very "conservative" point of view as to what is defined as "it." Medically and psychologically, however, the damage is close to if not the same as sexual intercourse (minus the possibility of pregnancy). There is still the high possibility of transmission of disease as well as psychosocial results. Technically speaking you may still be a virgin but practically speaking....


FuturaDocta said:
The fact that you even thought about posting this thread shows that you may be having your doubts. This may also mean that you may feel horrible afterward which could affect your health, sense of worth, pride of a future acceptance, whatever.

You shouldn't do it because it is foolish for a person like you who acknowledges the deed would be "bad."
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I agree. It seems to me that you (OP) are rationalizing what you did. Did you hope this thread would turn out differently than it did or are you simply trolling (in which case, I must admit this was a pretty entertaining troll)? The fact is that your behavior was pretty detestable and unethical. I'm sorry if you feel some of us have been unfair or harsh in our judgment of your actions. You asked for people's opinions. These are them.
 

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Seriously, if i could have banged a bunch of decent looking professors (at least 5 out of 10's) for free A's, I would have done it. I don't need the majority of the knowledge I have obtained in undergrad. In an ideal world I'd learn the pre-req material for the MCAT, then sleep with professors for everything else.👍
 
be careful...you lay down with dogs, you wake up with disease.

(goes for the profs too!)
 
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