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Did you even read the context to that statement? It had nothing to do with the ranking of the school.
I'm curious, did you go to community college?
What?
Did you even read the context to that statement? It had nothing to do with the ranking of the school.
I'm curious, did you go to community college?
What?
Name the secondaries that say this or it didn't happen.I am sorry that you guys may be finding out about this after the fact, BUT, community college premed prereqs are a big NO NO. Someone in another forum pointed out that some secondary applications sent by the schools make a point of stating that the students should NOT take those courses at community colleges nor online. I have actually seen it on some of my secondaries as well.
For those who are still in the process of completing the requirements, just make sure you take them at an accredited 4 year university.
Name the secondaries that say this or it didn't happen.
I see that now, but alas that is but 1 school. The text of that does not say DO NOT it says we "prefer" you avoid. That's a subtle difference. At any rate, I don't doubt that there are a handful of other schools that feel the same way but there are what, 133 schools to choose from? I guarantee they do not all feel that way. There are plenty of doctors who went to a CC and plenty of current students as well.
You need look no further than the search function, my friend.Do you have proof of that?
Do you have proof of that?
You need look no further than the search function, my friend.
Ignorance isn't a rebuttal.Couldn't find one thing, so if you actually know where those threads are, go ahead and link them.
My doctor for one.
There are plenty of medical student on this very forum who attended community college. Many of them claim that their cc classes did not even come up in interviews. Do they have a possible impact? Sure, but it seems to dependent on the institution. It is surely not the kiss of death some make it out to be. It also depends on how you took them. Adcoms know that it is not possible for all people to attend a four year at all times for a variety of reasons.
Ignorance isn't a rebuttal.
You do realize that not everyone wanted to be a doctor when they were 18, right? People often take very different paths to arrive at the same destination.
You do realize that not everyone wanted to be a doctor when they were 18, right? People often take very different paths to arrive at the same destination.
edit - And rude? You should look at your own material before you are so quick to judge mine as rude. I've been around here long enough to see this same topic debated ad nauseum. There are plenty of current med students and doctors with CC pre-requisites, regardless of what a bunch of insecure children attending 4 year universities on their parent's dime like to think.
Good for your doctor.
I really don't care what people do, honestly. Adcoms don't just pick anyone. But since you need a Bachelor's, why spend more money and get a degree and then go to CC for your pre-reqs?
Like I said before, I don't CARE what others do. Would I do it? No, I'm fine doing it the way I am. But that's my prerogative and no one else's. Just like what they do is their own business. I just still don't understand what the point is when you need a Bachelor's, and last I checked, CCs don't offer Bachelor's Degrees.
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You seem to care quite a bit so I'll try to enlighten you. People with families, jobs and various other commitments, such as financing their own education, or those who already have a 4 year degree have perfect reason to go to a community college. You went to one so I should hope you knew why you did as well.Like I said before, I don't CARE what others do. Would I do it? No, I'm fine doing it the way I am. But that's my prerogative and no one else's. Just like what they do is their own business. I just still don't understand what the point is when you need a Bachelor's, and last I checked, CCs don't offer Bachelor's Degrees.
Stop assuming you know about everyone's situation, with this whole "on their parent's dime" crap and assuming that I'm just like everyone else. I'm paying for my education on my own. I went to a community college. I'm not like all the students you are labeling. Enough.
I don't think that is a smart idea. I think it looks weird. But I also know that some people have careers and it not practical for them to attend a four year school.
I think if one is to attend a community college it is best to do so as a transfer student (like I am doing). There are definite no-noes as well, like being enrolled in a four year and taking pre-reqs in the summer at a cc.
I have written about this on many threads and have talked to approximately 20 med students who have attended a cc. Most of them say their going to a cc was a non-issue compared to many other parts of the process.
I honestly think some people are jealous of people who start a cc's. They just can't believe that there is usually more than one way to do something, and that people that they see as "less qualified" are getting it done. Every time they see a cc thread they must comment about it like they know what they are talking about. They cite the few schools that do take issue with it. I find it quite interesting. I know you went to a cc, so I'm not talking about you, but anyways, yea.
In the end, is going to a cc optimal? Of course not. Is it going to ruin your app? Probably not.
Because some people already have a bachelors degree.
You seem to care quite a bit so I'll try to enlighten you. People with families, jobs and various other commitments, such as financing their own education, or those who already have a 4 year degree have perfect reason to go to a community college. You went to one so I should hope you knew why you did as well.
Then what did you hope to accomplish by asking why people go to a CC? 😕😕
I'm aware that there a lot of non-trads who go to CC because they already have Bachelor Degrees and it makes things easier on them, but it seems every time this "go to CC for pre-reqs" subject comes up, it's towards an 18 year old who would rather do his pre-reqs at CC.
I hope I explained that right. The reason for the confusion is most non-trads post in their own sub-forum, whereas this was posted in pre-med allo, where a lot of the more traditional students hang out.
You're taking it at a CC because it's easier to get an A. You know that, and so do the Adcoms.
It shows weakness and diminishes the legitimacy of your application. If you can help it, take it at a 4 year.
Like I said before, I don't CARE what others do. Would I do it? No, I'm fine doing it the way I am. But that's my prerogative and no one else's. Just like what they do is their own business. I just still don't understand what the point is when you need a Bachelor's, and last I checked, CCs don't offer Bachelor's Degrees.
Stop assuming you know about everyone's situation, with this whole "on their parent's dime" crap and assuming that I'm just like everyone else. I'm paying for my education on my own. I went to a community college. I'm not like all the students you are labeling. Enough.
No I did not, I attended WCC in Ann Arbor.Did you go to HFCC in michigan?
FWIW I went to a community college and did a majority of my prereqs there (I did Ochem at the University because of timing issues). I am now starting medical school in mid-August... many people who speak about what adcoms care about seem to not really understand what they are talking about. As long as you can do well in both the CC and University level, I really don't think the adcoms care where you went.
I guess the argument is that prereqs at the CC level are easier than the University level, if this is so, then the transfer student should perform poorly on the MCAT (since this is entirely prereq material) and perform poorly at the upper-division University level (for the exact same reason). Sure, some transfer students do not do well, but I think a majority of them do, especially since they have the additional stigma of "transfer" attached to their name. Many transfer students appear to work harder (and do better) than many non-transfer University students (of course this is all anecdotal).
Not true? Really?
Boston University School of Medicine Secondary Application -2010
"We encourage applicants to pursue a broad academic experience in the humanities and in the sciences. While we consider each academic record in its entirety, the BUSM Committee on Admissions generally prefers that applicants avoid using AP, CLEP, Community College, Junior College, foreign institution, or long distance/on-line course work in fulfillment of requirements".
You have thousands of students applying for approx 100 spots to each school. The point is that there will be plenty of students who will satisfy the adcoms preference because even though they "consider the academic record in its entirety " (read - the advanced courses you took, your life struggle as a non traditional student, etc, etc), they do prefer that "applicants avoid using Community College course work".*
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BU is always trotted out in these discussions by people who want the exception to become the rule. But very few med schools that I know of have policies worded like this.
Who the **** wants to go to BU anyway?
PS - the quote function failed here...
Your comment inferred that what you quoted had to do with school rankings, which it did not.
As for my question, I am just wondering if you attended a community college or not and have applied to medical school as someone who has done so. You seem to have strong opinions on this subject, which you have expressed on multiple threads, and I was wondering if you have any first hand experience on the issue?
not quiet. Have you checked this year's u chicago thread ? There is plenty of students who have been rejected outright after submitting the secondary, with mcats of 38, 39 and even a 40 and solid gpas. The only thing that they may have in common is that their undergrad colleges are either state colleges or third tier universities. I don't know what chicago is looking for, but a great mcat and gpa is not cutting it for some.
I hate people like you who don't know reality, and try to act smart. I used to go to a CC, and took most of my prereqs. there. After that, I transferred to University of Michigan, and realized how lame the name can be. You can pay for school, but you can't buy class. The quality of education I got at the CC was 100x better/challenging than the University. I took a certain pre-med req. at the CC AND the Uni to compare, so I've experienced it firsthand.
At the University, a 61 percent is a B, and a 78 percent is an A, and the exams are 4 pages, and one hour. At the community college, in order to get an A, you need to get a 90+ percent on 3/4 of the exams AND over a 90 percent on the final. Many who had over a 90 percent got a B. And the test length for the exam was 3 hours, and there were over 20 pages for each exam. No one completed the exam. No curve existed. THAT prof. was preparing his students for the MCAT. (Keep in mind, same exact class)
And according to you, I'll give you a situation, pretending you're an ADCOM:
Person 1: Took first 2 years at a CC w/prereqs compl. CC GPA=3.5
Third/Fourth year at UNI w/ several upper level bio classes. UNI GPA=3.8
CGPA=3.65 SGPA=3.7 MCAT=34
Worked full-time throughout all of undergrad.
Several Hours of volunteering/shadowing/EC every summer. Pre-health society leader. Kicks ass on interview, shows passion for human body, learning, etc.
Person 2: Went straight to UNI. Majored in psychology. Took prereqs/ one upper-level biology class.(Biochem)
CGPA=3.8 SGPA=3.45 or 3.5 MCAT=31
Few months of volunteering/shadowing/EC for one year. Pre-health society member. Gives a decent interview, lacks on enthusiasm a bit. Nervous kid.
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I think that I can confidently say that person 1 would get accepted without a doubt before person 2.
Well I was rejected from there with a solid GPA, 39 MCAT and from a first tier national private University, so I don't think that was the common thread between those of us rejected.
Of course not man, and sorry to hear that. Clearly it shows the crapshoot element in the admissions process. Too many qualified people with top credential for few spots. So, what can someone with a bunch of pre reqs at a CC college can expect - everything else being roughly the same in the application?
Of course not man, and sorry to hear that. Clearly it shows the crapshoot element in the admissions process. Too many qualified people with top credential for few spots. So, what can someone with a bunch of pre reqs at a CC college can expect - everything else being roughly the same in the application?
Well, I expected to be treated as an equal to all those other applicants from a wide array of educational backgrounds. I expected the medical schools to not behave like children with a superiority complex. Instead, ask the question "why", and analyze my credentials with an open mind. I expected the adcoms to see that I 4.0d my prerequisites at the CC level and then transfered to a University where I continued to 4.0 upper division courses. On top of that I expected the adcoms to see my MCAT score and no longer care where I went.
My expectations were fulfilled.
BrainBuff
So why then do you feel in necessary to comment on many cc threads? You have no first hand experience with the issue, and no reason to do real research into it, like many of us with a vested interest have.And no, I have never attended a community college, exactly for the previously stated reasons and because I was fortunate enough not to have to.
I have never said that cc credits don't have any bearing when compared to a student who does not have them. I just think that, at many institutions, they are not as big of a deal as people, such as yourself, make them out to be. There are many variables that should be taken into account. I will agree with you on one thing though, and that is that nobody knows for sure.I am amused at how people like to remain in denial over this. If you have no choice, but to go to a CC as part of your education, then so be it. Are you at a disadvantage compared to someone who attended a four state university ? YES. How much of a disadvantage? Who knows? It will depend on the rest of your application and those who you are competing with.
So a couple of med-schools specifically state a preference, but most don't, and many don't say a word about cc credits. Some med-schools also prefer that one takes certain classes instead of others, etc. Your evidence is hardly conclusive.BU statement is clear. No school can tell you that "NO, WE DO NOT ACCEPT CC CREDITS", because that in fact, would be discriminatory. But if a school tells me that it is not a preference...that should be enough for everyone. If you want to swim against the current out of wishful thinking...then good luck.
Good for you. The MCAT is the great equalizer to be sure. Some schools probably place less weight on school name than others, some probably could care less. My only thought for people would be to not go the other way. Transferring from a University to a community college would look terrible I think without good reasons. I have a few friends who want to do pre med but think the pre req classes at the University are too hard so they are going to transfer to a community college to finish and I think that is a terrible idea which adcoms will see right through. Also it doesn't hurt that you continued a 4.0 at a University. Obviously you can handle the material and presumably your MCAT shows you understand the materials.
I'm in a weird dilemma and I'd be thrilled if someone would help.
So, I go to this middle college, which is basically just high school where you can take college classes. I'm going to be a junior soon and I've taken college introduction to physics, chemistry and I'll be taking introduction to biology this fall. As for math, I've taken intermediate algebra, trigonometry, and I just took precalculus this summer. I plan on doing pre-med at UC Davis, but I'm not sure how it will work since I've taken some college science and math classes at a community college. I don't want this to look bad on my application to medical school. So, what do I do?
Just to add, since I'll have some college credit after graduating high school, I'll be spending the first semester at UC Davis as a freshmen, then the next semester, I'll be bumped up to junior status. I don't know if that helps or anything. Just putting it out.
Thank you!
Agreed with the bold. This is really a lot of common sense stuff.
How many of each have you taken?
For one, med schools will see that you took these no matter what, since you need to report all grades. I think that as long as you take some pre-reqs and maybe a couple upper divisions at the four year school you will be fine.
So, what exactly should I do when I attend a four year school?
I'm not sure what classes to take at the four year and what classes to take at the community college.
I'm so lost. D:
That's why I asked you what classes exactly you have taken. Without that information it is hard to advise any further.
Ah, okay.
I'll try to find a copy of my transcript.
Actually, I miss spoke. All I'm really interested in is what pre-reqs you took.
Pre-Req's = Pre Requisites. They are classes you MUST take in order to take certain classes you need, or classes required to apply to a medical college. Like Gen Chem and Organic Chem, Biology, English, etc.. these are all example of pre reqs which must be taken by any student entering into medical school. And they are usually required to be taken in order to be able to take higher level math and science classes.I'm sorry, but what do you mean by pre-reqs?
Pre-Req's = Pre Requisites. They are classes you MUST take in order to take certain classes you need, or classes required to apply to a medical college. Like Gen Chem and Organic Chem, Biology, English, etc.. these are all example of pre reqs which must be taken by any student entering into medical school. And they are usually required to be taken in order to be able to take higher level math and science classes.