DO's get an MD degree

[apellous]

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An attending was talking about wanting to get an MD to practice in another country when he retired. I remember a Thread about a place that would grant MD degrees to DOs for this purpose. I cant however find this thread. any help would be great.


Thanks

 

[snowhite]

I'm curious too. Do most countries not recognize DOs then?

 

[drdrtoledo]

Here it is again.
http://www.uhsa.ag/pstudent/four/resdt/curriculum.htm
Enjoy.

As for places they are licensed to practice... here is a link:
https://www.msecportal.org/portal/editorial/PublicPages/aoia/536895803/Int_Lic_countryReq.htm

I hope it works.
ATnS

 

[Winged Scapula]

I'm curious too. Do most countries not recognize DOs then?

In many countries outside of the US, a Do is not considered a medical practitioner as we view it, but something more akin to a Chiropractor or Physical Therapist.

 

[PainDr]

It's true that a FEW countries do not recognize the equality of MD and DO degrees. However, it is a myth that someone with an MD can just walk into any country and start practicing medicine. Most countries require all foreign (US) physicians to take exams and/or jump through a myriad of hoops in order to gain licensure (just as we do to FMGs).

 

[eddieberetta]

It's true that a FEW countries do not recognize the equality of MD and DO degrees. However, it is a myth that someone with an MD can just walk into any country and start practicing medicine. Most countries require all foreign (US) physicians to take exams and/or jump through a myriad of hoops in order to gain licensure (just as we do to FMGs).

You are correct, but in most countries a DO will not be allowed to jump through any of the licensing hoops. This is because the DO degree is not universally recognized as a medical degree, and in many countries is a type of allied provider. I think it is unlikely that the sketchy MD for DO degrees will be accepted. I do think that if a DO has a state medical licence (i.e. USMLEs and ACGME internship), they may be able to get licensing authorities in other countries (like Canada) to consider granting them a license on a case by case basis. Also, some medical boards will assess medical curricula for a fee...

Cheers

 

[Apollyon]

It's true that a FEW countries do not recognize the equality of MD and DO degrees.

I think only a FEW countries DO recognize the equality. If you try to do DO almost any other place in the world, you're out of luck (unless all you want to do is OMT all day, and nothing else).

Or am I mistaken? Can you tell me some countries where a US-educated DO can provide medical care by law at the same level as an MD or MBBS?

 

[PainDr]

Sorry but you're both wrong. Pleeeease do just a LITTLE research (like clicking on the aforementioned link from drdrtoledo)! 🙄 before posting. You see, most people really aren't interested in your opinions...just the facts. 😛


As for places they are licensed to practice... here is a link:
https://www.msecportal.org/portal/e..._countryReq.htm


Please note that many of the countries that restrict DOs, also restrict MDs. Also, new petitions are not issued until a specific physician requests it, therefore, many countries haven't even been petitioned in years. Lastly, some countries that have restrictions will make exceptions for medical missions. 😀

To eddieberetta,

FYI. Although USMLEs and ACGME internships are sufficient for state licensure, they are not necessarily required. Licensure requires completion of either USMLE (step1-3), OR COMLEX (step1-3) AND 1-2 years of post graduate training (some states require 2 years) in either ACGME or AOA approved programs.

 

[drdrtoledo]

If for some reason you cannot open the link I mentioned before here it is in .txt format. Sorry about the quality but I couldn't get it to fit as an MS word file. The most desirable places (to me) where we do not have full licensure are England, Ireland, and Spain.

 

[DrMom]

As I've posted before, we can have full licensing rights in the UK.

 

[Apollyon]

Sorry but you're both wrong. Pleeeease do just a LITTLE research (like clicking on the aforementioned link from drdrtoledo)! 🙄 before posting. You see, most people really aren't interested in your opinions...just the facts. 😛

Nice abusive post. Pleeeease use a LITTLE decorum. You see, most people (like yourself) that speak for others, DON'T. There is no way you can say "most people really aren't interested in your opinions...just the facts."

Moreover, perusing your link seems to yield a high level of "unknown" and "denial"; since yours was an antagonistic response, I did not have the opportunity to tell you that I am DO-friendly. I find equivalence between DO and MD trained US docs, and it is unfortunate that the pathways overseas are, apparently, arduous. For many of the locales listed that grant DO's an unlimited scope of practice, it appears that it is on a case-by-case basis. I say bravo to those that have succeeded, and have laid the groundwork for those to follow them, and my best wishes for those who will attempt this daunting process.

However, to paint with a broad brush that DO's will have, generally, unfettered access ad lib to practice all over the world is disingenuous.

 

[tkim]

Here's a link to a summarized version of international practice rights for DO's.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=107627

I think the two main reasons DO's do not have the breadth and depth of practice rights that MDs have is:

1) American osteopathy is younger than allopathic medicine and not as well represented.

2) Manipulation-only osteopathy licensure exists in many foreign countries, clouding the issue of what an American DO really is.

 

[drdrtoledo]

Sorry about that Dr. Mom.... what is your source? I've only heard of one guy who supposedly got a "special privilege". I'd love to hear more if you have the info. I tried searching but couldn't find it. 😀
ATnS

 

[eddieberetta]

PainDr

I stand by my original comments. Just try to apply for a license in Ontario and you will find out for yourself how quickly the "fast track" program listed in the text file actually works (it has not even been implemented yet 🙄 ).

I am just stating that there are significant hurdles, but they are not insurmountable. I will say that for Canada thw quickie MDs will probably not help.

 

[DrMom]

Sorry about that Dr. Mom.... what is your source? I've only heard of one guy who supposedly got a "special privilege". I'd love to hear more if you have the info. I tried searching but couldn't find it. 😀
ATnS

How about posts #16 & 19 in this thread.

Check out the WHO link.

I know a US DO who had full practice rights in the UK while he did a fellowship there. He just rolled his eyes when I told him about all the people who insist that DOs can't fully practice there.

 

[eddieberetta]

While doing a fellowship you are often under a special institutional license. In the US, for example, you can do fellowships in many centers without a stete license (or board certification obviosuly)

 

[DrMom]

Did you bother to check out the link on the thread I mentioned? This doesn't just apply to fellowships or other training programs.

 

[PainDr]

To Apollyon:

Nice abusive post,

Huh? You consider that abusive? You must lead a very sheltered existence. I'm curious...where are you in your training (premed, med student, resident)?

You see, most people (like yourself) that speak for others, DON'T. There is no way you can say "most people really aren't interested in you opinions...just the facts."

People reading this particular post are interested in factual information...not opinion or heresay. I cannot know this with absolute certainty, but believe it to be true.

...it is unfortunate that the pathways oversease are, apparently, arduous.

Are you implying that the path for MDs is not arduous? Based on everything I've read, it's not a cake walk for them either.

However, to paint with a broad brush that DO's will have, generally, unfettered access ad lib to practice all over the world is disingenuous.

All I did was direct readers to a FACTUAL (although outdated) source of information. If anyone is guilty of using a broad brush, it is you. Kindly review your original post.

To eddiebereta:

I stand by my original comments. Just try to apply for a license in Ontario and you will find out for yourself how quickly the "fast track" program listed in the text file actually works"

Really? Do you have first hand knowledge of this?

 

[Apollyon]

To Apollyon:

Huh? You consider that abusive? You must lead a very sheltered existence. I'm curious...where are you in your training (premed, med student, resident)?

People reading this particular post are interested in factual information...not opinion or heresay. I cannot know this with absolute certainty, but believe it to be true.

Are you implying that the path for MDs is not arduous? Based on everything I've read, it's not a cake walk for them either.

All I did was direct readers to a FACTUAL (although outdated) source of information. If anyone is guilty of using a broad brush, it is you. Kindly review your original post.

Whatever. You want to be antagonistic, fine. Nowhere did I say gaining entrance to a foreign country was easier for an MD (although I would think it is, considering MD/MBBS/titulo/etc is the status quo), so back off. If you want to infer, that is YOUR problem. Go with what is written.

Ah, forget it. You're not worth the argument (discussion would have been fine, but you seem to have a chip on your shoulder).

By the way, I'm a PGY-2 EM resident.

 

[PainDr]

Go with what is written

That is what I was trying to do. All I did was counter your arguments and defend my own. It's called debate. I'm not sure why you're so hostile and defensive. Perhaps you should get out more. 🙄

 

[inok]

I am a foreign medical graduate. Your DO degree will be accepted in my country if your country accepts it as an equivalent of medical degree. Most of the countries have different names of medical degree such as Doctor of Medicine, Bachelor of Medicine, Physician, MBBS, MB ChB or MB ChB BAO, Candidatus Medicinae, Dritter Abschnitt Certificate (Germany) and so on. By and large, it does not matter. I met physicians who worked in my country with degree from other countries. They did not have any problems as long as our countries mutually accept their diplomas as they do it in engenering, computer science and so forth. There were no additional hassles. 😱