DOs in the year 2020

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I was reading a thread from 2003 yesterday, and they were saying " by 2013 most DO's won't match." Im guessing most matched this year. I guessing most will match in 2023 too.
 
Consequently, the stigma will be more dissolved too you think?
 
If the trend continues, then yeah, is stay the stigma will at least lessen. Even speaking with MD physicians that are 60+ yrs old vs. 30+ yrs old, I see the difference. It's big.
 
I've been a long-time lurker on SDN. Admittedly, I have a small amount of clinical volunteering. What stigma is there among DOs? They're doctors...medically trained...most patients don't know/care/realize the difference between MD/DO. Perhaps the stigma is among pre-allopaths the most and some of the older population?
 
Most physicians I have shadowed don't care if you are an MD or a DO; however many physicians know that DO school is easier to get in to than MD school and that many students use it as a back-up. As a result, there is a bit of an elitist among older (and some newer) physicians in that DO's are MD rejects for the most part.
 
not so sure about the employment aspect of the overall medical field seeing a lot of areas becoming very saturated, but I suppose the older physician group will leave a big gap sooner or later
 
When my HarvardMed/Stanford Residency preceptor tells me I should put pressure on a local hospital to let DO students rotate there, claiming it's blatant discrimination against students who are by all measures equals to the MD students that do rotate there, I think the stereotype is melting away.

And this is in a very low DO representation area of the country.
 
SLC said:
When my HarvardMed/Stanford Residency preceptor tells me I should put pressure on a local hospital to let DO students rotate there, claiming it's blatant discrimination against students who are by all measures equals to the MD students that do rotate there, I think the stereotype is melting away.

And this is in a very low DO representation area of the country.
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Are you talking Utah or Oregon?
 
Elevencents said:
Although one did slip into the University Hospital, not sure how that happened 😉
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Are you talking about the recent Chief?

I'm banking on the notion that showing my face around there as much as possible, and having a board score in line with what they recommend for DO applicants, will give me the best chance possible.

I have some connections with clinical faculty at the IM program, and I've worked with the director of the Nephrology program some (and will more in the coming year hopefully). He even recommended I complete a rotation there 4th year, though the website officially says DO's aren't allowed to complete 4th year Nephrology rotations. We'll see.
 
ArtOfWar said:
Most physicians I have shadowed don't care if you are an MD or a DO; however many physicians know that DO school is easier to get in to than MD school and that many students use it as a back-up. As a result, there is a bit of an elitist among older (and some newer) physicians in that DO's are MD rejects for the most part.
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It is arguable that it is easier to get into considering the amount of applications that they receive. Also, what about Caribbean MD's? Are they just "undercover" DO's being smuggled into the country. Their stats aren't so hot for the most part.
 
scoKraz4 said:
It is arguable that it is easier to get into considering the amount of applications that they receive. Also, what about Caribbean MD's? Are they just "undercover" DO's being smuggled into the country. Their stats aren't so hot for the most part.
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When people say MD vs DO they are always referring to USMDs. Everyone assumes Caribbean MDs and DOs could not get into a USMD school.
 
EMDO2018 said:
I was reading a thread from 2003 yesterday, and they were saying " by 2013 most DO's won't match." Im guessing most matched this year. I guessing most will match in 2023 too.
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Could you link me the thread? I would love what type of speculations were going on back then.
 
EMDO2018 said:
The only difference between MD and DO admits is o.3 GPA points and 4 MCAT points.
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Yeah but....that's an enormous gap when you consider retakes and that 4 points on the mcat is huge.

I will say though, if you throw away the WashU, Yale, Harvard, etc numbers, the line blurs a little more But maybe not, because there's like 4x as many allo schools.
 
Elevencents said:
Yeah, 3.7 and a 25 MCAT. You have a 3.6 and a 35 MCAT. Who wins? Go apply MD and you'll get in somewhere.
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MD chances are decent but iffy with 35/3.28 sgpa. MD schools are far, far less forgiving of things like lower sGPA, lower MCAT, etc than DO schools. Look in pre-allo and you will see many people with those numbers and no acceptances.

Someone on here last year for example, had 3.33 sgpa, 35 mcat, applied to 15 or so MD schools but got no interviews. They are now attending DMU.
 
Yea. From my own experiences and stories that I have heard, DO schools are a bit more forgiving in regards to gpa

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Ximedus said:
Consequently, the stigma will be more dissolved too you think?
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Dude, who cares. Focus on becoming a good doctor and stop caring what people think.

Being insecure is a good way to not be respected, especially in medicine where the one with the biggest ego wins.
 
user3 said:
MD chances are decent but iffy with 35/3.28 sgpa. MD schools are far, far less forgiving of things like lower sGPA, lower MCAT, etc than DO schools. Look in pre-allo and you will see many people with those numbers and no acceptances.

Someone on here last year for example, had 3.33 sgpa, 35 mcat, applied to 15 or so MD schools but got no interviews. They are now attending DMU.
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Fair enough. I still think an early and broad application will get him in somewhere. Needless to say, asking if competitive for DO is just silly.
 
aspiring20 said:
damn...

will a 3.6/3.28/35 be competitive for DO schools?
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It doesn't take a doctor to answer this question jeeeez 😉

In 2020, DO's will be half-cyborg half monkey with prosthetic limbs
 
user3 said:
MD chances are decent but iffy with 35/3.28 sgpa. MD schools are far, far less forgiving of things like lower sGPA, lower MCAT, etc than DO schools. Look in pre-allo and you will see many people with those numbers and no acceptances.

Someone on here last year for example, had 3.33 sgpa, 35 mcat, applied to 15 or so MD schools but got no interviews. They are now attending DMU.
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You think a 3.0/3.0/23 will net you a DO acceptance but a 3.6/3.3/35 will get you peanuts for MD? Where are you coming up with this man? Have you even been part of an application cycle yet?
 
Mehd School said:
You think a 3.0/3.0/23 will net you a DO acceptance but a 3.6/3.3/35 will get you peanuts for MD? Where are you coming up with this man? Have you even been part of an application cycle yet?
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I have reviewed UD threads, WAMC's, school specific threads and MDapps copiously. It is FAR easier to get into DO schools for someone below the matriculant averages than MD. Example, one has poor chance swith 3.3 sci/31 for MD, but 3.1 sci/27 is fine for DO-- yet they are the same distance below the matriculant averages! (MD avg is 3.7/3.6/31, DO is 3.5/3.4/27)

It is well established that the acceptable range is far wider for DO, while much narrower for MD.

As a result, a 3.3 sci GPA even with 35 MCAT will make for decent allopathic chances-- but absolutely NO where near as high as someone with 3.4/3.1/31 (in other words, metrics same distance from matriculant mean) will have for DO. For whatever reason, even having 1 metric below the average hurts so much more for MD than with DO. see what I mean?

I think they will almost certainly get some interviews...but acceptance chances (although decent) are nowhere near as high as you think.
 
user3 said:
I have reviewed UD threads, WAMC's, school specific threads and MDapps copiously. It is FAR easier to get into DO schools for someone below the matriculant averages than MD. Example, one has poor chance swith 3.3 sci/31 for MD, but 3.1 sci/27 is fine for DO-- yet they are the same distance below the matriculant averages! (MD avg is 3.7/3.6/31, DO is 3.5/3.4/27)

It is well established that the acceptable range is far wider for DO, while much narrower for MD.

As a result, a 3.3 sci GPA even with 35 MCAT will make for decent allopathic chances-- but absolutely NO where near as high as someone with 3.4/3.1/31 (in other words, metrics same distance from matriculant mean) will have for DO. For whatever reason, even having 1 metric below the average hurts so much more for MD than with DO. see what I mean?

I think they will almost certainly get some interviews...but acceptance chances (although decent) are nowhere near as high as you think.
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Ah, ok. You're basing your entire knowledge on a bunch of internet numbers that are probably often made up.

Again, have you taken part in the application cycle for yourself?
 
If in 2020 there's an issue with DOs matching it'll probably be due to a lack of residency spots. If the increase in number of graduating med students continues to outpace increase in number of residency spots, then there could be some pain up ahead. US MDs would share some of this pain, I imagine. IMGs and FMGs would definitely feel the pain. Hopefully funding will increase so there are ample spots for US MD/DO grads, but with the things are going in Congress, I'm not holding much hope.
 
Mehd School said:
Ah, ok. You're basing your entire knowledge on a bunch of internet numbers that are probably often made up.

Again, have you taken part in the application cycle for yourself?
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accepted c/o 2018
 
sb247 said:
It's not utah's fault the MDs have nunchuck, bowfighting and computer hacking skills.

Utah loves skills
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Ya, its common block to take while attending MD. Common knowledge brah.
 
Mehd School said:
Ah, ok. You're basing your entire knowledge on a bunch of internet numbers that are probably often made up.

Again, have you taken part in the application cycle for yourself?
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You guys have to stop putting down User3. Most of the numbers are not made up. Premeds don't have THAT much time on their hands, or so we would hope.

Mehd School, not that this is a problem, but when you start at your DO school you will see more than half of your classmates didn't break a 30 on the MCAT and that a GOOD chunk of them pulled 25-26s (50 percentile).

Seriously, DO schools are SIGNIFICANTLY easier to gain at least ONE acceptance at. The same cannot CANNOT be said about MD schools. It isn't even close, so everyone needs to stop acting like it is.
 
CSqueed said:
You guys have to stop putting down User3. Most of the numbers are not made up. Premeds don't have THAT much time on their hands, or so we would hope.

Mehd School, not that this is a problem, but when you start at your DO school you will see more than half of your classmates didn't break a 30 on the MCAT and that a GOOD chunk of them pulled 25-26s (50 percentile).

Seriously, DO schools are SIGNIFICANTLY easier to gain at least ONE acceptance at. The same cannot CANNOT be said about MD schools. It isn't even close, so everyone needs to stop acting like it is.
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i got to agree with this, which is exactly why i am applying to MD and DO with a 3.6/3.3 and 35. i am also applying to new DO schools so my chances are even higher.

and if i can only do primary care, then so be it. a primary care salary is enough to get me what i want.
 
aspiring20 said:
i got to agree with this, which is exactly why i am applying to MD and DO with a 3.6/3.3 and 35. i am also applying to new DO schools so my chances are even higher.

and if i can only do primary care, then so be it. a primary care salary is enough to get me what i want.
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Make sure you say that at your interview. Schools love that!
 
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