DOs who are EP Cardiologists

[FutureEPCards]

Haven't been able to find a recent post on this - anyone aware of any EP Cardiologists who are DOs?

I work for a large heath system in the northeast, and we only have 2 EPs in our system, both being MDs. I would really like to shadow both a Cardiologist and EP Cardiologist for experience, but would prefer that they are DOs. I have quite a few DO Cards in my area, but can't seem to find any EP DOs.. is this like a <1% thing and likely impossible to find one within reasonable traveling distance? Anyone know of any period?

This is a career that I am considering as a future DO (I know its early, but I am fascinated by EKGs and arrythmias) so I want to know that there is a niche, even if it is small, for a DO EP cardiologist.

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[THH]

Haven't been able to find a recent post on this - anyone aware of any EP Cardiologists who are DOs?

I work for a large heath system in the northeast, and we only have 2 EPs in our system, both being MDs. I would really like to shadow both a Cardiologist and EP Cardiologist for experience, but would prefer that they are DOs. I have quite a few DO Cards in my area, but can't seem to find any EP DOs.. is this like a <1% thing and likely impossible to find one within reasonable traveling distance? Anyone know of any period?

This is a career that I am considering as a future DO (I know its early, but I am fascinated by EKGs and arrythmias) so I want to know that there is a niche, even if it is small, for a DO EP cardiologist.

What would be the point of shadowing a DO EP cardiologist? Their role doesn't really allow for regular OMM use so they would be functionally exactly the same as a MD.

If you want to see OMM in action, you might want to look up an OMM specialist since very few DOs actually regularly use OMM in practice.

 

[FrkyBgStok]

And if you only have two ep cardiologists in a huge hospital, you are going to be very hard pressed to find a DO one near you. You are talking about a subspecialty within a subspecialty. You are probably going to be hard pressed to find many more ep cardiologists at all.

 

[group_theory]

http://www.uchospitals.edu/physicians/martin-burke.html

http://www.tcainstitute.com/our-team/doctors/larry-price.aspx

 

[FrkyBgStok]

Bam. Texas and Chicago. Hopefully you live in both those places.

 

[FutureEPCards]

What would be the point of shadowing a DO EP cardiologist? Their role doesn't really allow for regular OMM use so they would be functionally exactly the same as a MD.

If you want to see OMM in action, you might want to look up an OMM specialist since very few DOs actually regularly use OMM in practice.

I am not trying to see them do OMM.. that obviously doesn't make much sense.

I don't really want to work in primary care and rarely see any DOs actually use OMM in my area anyway. I also currently work in an ER with tons of DOs and have shadowed DOs in many in other fields, so I have already had experience seeing minimal OMM (mostly for headaches and neck pain), but if I want to be a DO because I agree more with their outlook on medicine (and a possible cardiologist in the future), then it makes sense to shadow a DO card if possible, no? I'm not unwilling to shadow an MD EP card, but like I said, I feel like it would give me an idea of the whole process to shadow the DO and maybe some difficulties they faced being a DO in residencies and fellowships in an already super subspecialty.

 

[cliquesh]

There are a few EP DOs at Deborah Heart and lung, which is in New jersey. Deborah has an AOA cardiology fellowship and an EP fellowship. They take 6 for cardiology per year and 1 to 3 for EP. Deborah is associated with PCOM and I'm pretty sure PCOM's internal medicine residency is a feeder program for Deborah.

 

[FutureEPCards]

Bam. Texas and Chicago. Hopefully you live in both those places.

thanks for looking that up for me.. unforunately I'm near Philly and NYC areas now and will be in Albany next year so that's a bit far for me.

 

[FutureEPCards]

There are a few EP DOs at Deborah Heart and lung, which is in New jersey. Deborah has an AOA cardiology fellowship and an EP fellowship. They take 6 for cardiology per year and 1 to 3 for EP. The fellowship is associated with PCOM.

Thats awesome, that would be a reasonable distance for me (if they would allow shadowing of course).. Again, thank you for your help.

 

[Bacchus]

There are a few EP DOs at Deborah Heart and lung, which is in New jersey. Deborah has an AOA cardiology fellowship and an EP fellowship. They take 6 for cardiology per year and 1 to 3 for EP. Deborah is associated with PCOM and I'm pretty sure PCOM's internal medicine residency is a feeder program for Deborah.

One on their website: http://www.deborah.org/6Phys/electro.html

 

[235009]

http://www.docnet.org/physicians/phys_bios.aspx?phys_id=12741

he is listed as an MD on the hospital's website but he's actually a DO

http://www.wehealny.org/services/slr_cardiology/arrhythmia.html

 

[toxicwombat]

This thread is ridiculous. An electrophysiologist is an electrophysiologist. The letters after the physician's name are irrelevant in this case (and indeed in most cases outside of primary care). Shadow the MD and be grateful that you're able to do so -- EPs are a rare breed in many hospitals.

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[MedPR]

I am not trying to see them do OMM.. that obviously doesn't make much sense.

I don't really want to work in primary care and rarely see any DOs actually use OMM in my area anyway. I also currently work in an ER with tons of DOs and have shadowed DOs in many in other fields, so I have already had experience seeing minimal OMM (mostly for headaches and neck pain), but if I want to be a DO because I agree more with their outlook on medicine (and a possible cardiologist in the future), then it makes sense to shadow a DO card if possible, no? I'm not unwilling to shadow an MD EP card, but like I said, I feel like it would give me an idea of the whole process to shadow the DO and maybe some difficulties they faced being a DO in residencies and fellowships in an already super subspecialty.

If you read 10 MD mission statements I guarantee you at least 9 will say something about caring (not just curing) for patients. This whole DO philosophy thing is perpetuated by uninformed pre-meds. Every school (MD and DO) claim to be holistic in admissions and claim to work towards producing well rounded physicians. You decide how you want to treat your patients, not the letters behind your name and if you think you want a super subspecialty such as EP cards, it is in your best interest to go to an MD school.

 

[Ost3oclast]

If you read 10 MD mission statements I guarantee you at least 9 will say something about caring (not just curing) for patients. This whole DO philosophy thing is perpetuated by uninformed pre-meds. Every school (MD and DO) claim to be holistic in admissions and claim to work towards producing well rounded physicians. You decide how you want to treat your patients, not the letters behind your name.

Spot on mate.

 

[cliquesh]

I have only had 4 DO attendings during my 3rd and 4th year. Everyone else has been an MD. It's hard say that is much of a difference if The majority of your teachers are MDs.

 

[FutureEPCards]

If you read 10 MD mission statements I guarantee you at least 9 will say something about caring (not just curing) for patients. This whole DO philosophy thing is perpetuated by uninformed pre-meds. Every school (MD and DO) claim to be holistic in admissions and claim to work towards producing well rounded physicians. You decide how you want to treat your patients, not the letters behind your name and if you think you want a super subspecialty such as EP cards, it is in your best interest to go to an MD school.

then we obviously work with people who had very different backgrounds and ideas about treatments because i can see a clear difference in the DOs and the MDs I work with daily.. If you don't believe that DOs are different than why are you even responding to threads in the DO portion of the site? But thats for a whole different conversation because clearly you know everything there is to know about medicine, being a doctor, applying to school.. etc, must be hard to be so perfect.

What is it with people on this website in general? Almost everyone is rude, judgemental and a know-it-all.. exactly who we need to be doctors..

It was a simple question. Thanks to those of you who responded without being rude about it.

 

[MedPR]

then we obviously work with people who had very different backgrounds and ideas about treatments because i can see a clear difference in the DOs and the MDs I work with daily.. If you don't believe that DOs are different than why are you even responding to threads in the DO portion of the site? But thats for a whole different conversation because clearly you know everything there is to know about medicine, being a doctor, applying to school.. etc, must be hard to be so perfect.

What is it with people on this website in general? Almost everyone is rude, judgemental and a know-it-all.. exactly who we need to be doctors..

It was a simple question. Thanks to those of you who responded without being rude about it.

I'm responding to threads in the pre-DO portion of the site precisely because I don't believe they are different.

The different backgrounds and ideas about treatments have nothing to do with DO vs MD. They have to do with general differences in background as well as differences in exposure to medicine (rotations and residency). Why do you default to believing that every doctor is the same except for the letters behind their name and therefore those letters must be the reason for differences in philosophy, personality, bed side manner, and treatment? People are different. The letters behind a physician's name define nothing other than their accrediting body.